Fern & Roby Amp No. 2 integrated amplifier Measurements

Sidebar 3: Measurements

When I unpacked the Amp No. 2, the volume control knob was loose in the box. I reattached it, but its operation was intermittent. I controlled the amplifier's volume with the supplied Apple remote for the testing.

I measured the Fern & Roby Amp No. 2 with my Audio Precision SYS2722 system, checking some of the test results with the magazine's APx555. Fern & Roby specifies the amplifier's maximum power as 25W; that presumably is into 8 ohms. I preconditioned the Amp No. 2 before the measurements by following the CEA's recommendation of running it at one-eighth the specified power into 8 ohms for 30 minutes. Following that period, the top panel was warm, at 98.0°F (36.7°C), and the temperature of the internal aluminum block that acts as a heatsink was 125.3°F (51.8°C).

Looking first at the line-level inputs, the amplifier preserved absolute polarity with both the single-ended and balanced inputs. The maximum gain into 8 ohms at the loudspeaker terminals was 45.3dB, left channel, and 46.6dB, right channel, for the balanced inputs. The maximum gain from the unbalanced inputs was 0.3dB higher than from the balanced input, with the same 1.3dB difference in the left- and right-channel gains. The balanced input impedance was 9k ohms from 20Hz to 20kHz; the single-ended input's impedance was a usefully high 75k ohms at 20Hz and 1kHz, dropping inconsequentially to 52k ohms at the top of the audioband. Despite its name, the Sub output was full-range and offered a maximum gain of 19.5dB, sourced from an output impedance of 370 ohms. The channel gains were closely matched from this output.


Fig.1 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, volume control set to maximum, frequency response at 2.83V into: simulated loudspeaker load (gray), 8 ohms (left channel blue, right red), 4 ohms (left cyan, right magenta), 2 ohms (green) (1dB/vertical div.).


Fig.2 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, volume control set to –12dB, frequency response at 2.83V into 8 ohms (left channel blue, right red) (1dB/vertical div.).


Fig.3 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, volume control set to –12dB, small-signal, 10kHz squarewave into 8 ohms.

The amplifier's output impedance, including 6' of spaced-pair speaker cable, was a low 0.09 ohms across the audioband. As a result, the modulation of the Amp No. 2's frequency response due to the Ohm's law interaction between this impedance and that of our standard simulated loudspeaker was minimal (fig.1, gray trace). The amplifier's response into 8 ohms (blue and red traces) extended almost to 200kHz but into lower impedances started to roll off above the audioband. Fig.1 was taken with the balanced inputs and with the volume control set to its maximum; the channel imbalance that can be seen in this graph was identical with the unbalanced inputs and at lower volume control settings. However, at lower settings of the volume control, the Amp No. 2's ultrasonic response rolled off at a lower frequency. The output into 8 ohms with the control set to –12dB was down by 0.5dB at 20kHz and by 3dB at 50kHz (fig.2). As a result, the amplifier's reproduction of a 10kHz squarewave had lengthened risetimes (fig.3).

Below 1kHz, channel separation from the speaker outputs was >70dB, but it decreased to 47dB at 20kHz, presumably due to capacitive coupling, perhaps at the shared volume control, as the circuitry for each channel is separated on the primary printed circuit board. The wideband, unweighted signal/noise ratio, taken with the unbalanced input shorted to ground and the volume control set to its maximum, was 62.7dB in the left channel, 65.3dB in the right channel, both ref. 2.83V, which is equivalent to 1W into 8 ohms. These ratios improved by just 1dB when the measurement bandwidth was restricted to the audioband and to 67dB in both channels when A-weighted.


Fig.4 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, spectrum of 1kHz sinewave, DC–1kHz, at 1Wpc into 8 ohms with volume control set to the maximum (left channel blue, right red), and to –12dB (left green, right gray) (linear frequency scale).

The blue and red traces in fig.4 show the spectrum of the amplifier's low-frequency noisefloor at 1Wpc into 8 ohms and the volume control set to its maximum. Even- and odd-order harmonics of the AC supply frequency are present, and the level of random noise is higher than I usually find. Reducing the volume by 12dB and increasing the input signal by the same 12dB so that the output power remains at 1W (green and gray traces) reduced the level of the supply-related spuriae and random noise by 5–10dB.


Fig.5 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, distortion (%) vs 1kHz continuous output power into 8 ohms.


Fig.6 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, distortion (%) vs 1kHz continuous output power into 4 ohms.

Fig.5 plots how the left channel's THD+noise percentage varies with output power into 8 ohms with both channels driven. The downward slope of the trace below 12W means that the actual distortion lies below the noise up to that power. The THD+N reaches 1%, which is our definition of clipping, at the specified 25Wpc (14dBW). The Amp No. 2 clipped at 35Wpc into 4 ohms (fig.6, 12.4dBW).


Fig.7 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, THD+N (%) vs frequency at 8V into: 8 ohms (left channel blue, right red), 4 ohms (left green, right gray).

Fig.7 shows how the THD+N percentage changed with frequency at 8V, which is equivalent to 8W into 8 ohms and 16W into 4 ohms. The distortion into 8 ohms (blue and red traces) is a low 0.03% over most of the audioband in both channels, though the THD increases below 200Hz and above 5kHz in the left channel (blue trace). The left channel behaved similarly into 4 ohms (green trace), but the THD+N percentage was higher across the band in the right channel (gray trace).


Fig.8 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, 1kHz waveform at 8W into 8 ohms, 0.021% THD+N (top); distortion and noise waveform with fundamental notched out (bottom, not to scale).


Fig.9 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, spectrum of 1kHz sinewave, DC–10kHz, at 8Wpc into 8 ohms (left channel blue, right red, linear frequency scale).


Fig.10 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, spectrum of 1kHz sinewave, DC–10kHz, at 10Wpc into 8 ohms (left channel blue, right red, linear frequency scale).


Fig.11 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, HF intermodulation spectrum, DC–30kHz, 19+20kHz at 10Wpc peak into 4 ohms (left channel blue, right red, linear frequency scale).

The THD+N waveform at 8W into 8 ohms (fig.8) was dominated by noise, with the third harmonic the highest in level at –89dB (0.003%; fig.9). However, in addition to the expected supply-related spuriae in this graph, low-level tones are present that are not harmonically related to the input signal; these appear to lie at multiples of 952Hz. When the power is increased slightly to 10Wpc into 8 ohms (fig.10), the second and higher-order harmonics make an appearance (footnote 1). Note that low-level supply-related sidebands are now present around the fundamental and each harmonic. Intermodulation distortion with an equal mix of 19kHz and 20kHz tones peaking at 16W into 4 ohms was very low (fig.11). The second-order difference product at 1kHz was buried beneath the noisefloor, and the higher-order products at 18kHz and 21kHz lay at just –86dB (0.005%).

To examine the performance of the Amp No. 2's phono input, I connected a wire from one of the Audio Precision's ground terminals to the grounding lug on the amplifier's rear panel. The phono input can be switched between MM and MC operation with a pair of small toggle switches on the main circuit board. It preserved absolute polarity at the speaker and Sub outputs in both modes. In MM mode, the input impedance was 46k ohms at 20Hz and 66k ohms at 1kHz and 20kHz; in MC mode it was 470 ohms at 20Hz, 513 ohms at middle and high frequencies.

The maximum gain at 1kHz was very high from the loudspeaker output, at 86dB (MM) and 105.4dB (MC). These gains were around 20dB lower from the Sub output, so to avoid overdriving the amplifier's output stage, I performed all the subsequent phono stage measurements at the Sub output, with the volume control set to –12dB.


Fig.12 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, phono input, MM mode, response with RIAA correction (left channel blue, right red) (1dB/vertical div.).

The phono input's RIAA-corrected response (fig.12) was identical in both MC and MM modes and was slightly better matched between the channels than the line input response. It featured a 4dB boost in the bass and a 2dB cut in the treble, both of which would be very audible. The high frequencies were extended to well above the audioband, but as with the line inputs, reducing the volume control setting rolled off the output above 20kHz. Channel separation was 60dB or greater below 4kHz and 46dB at 20kHz. In MM mode, the wideband, unweighted S/N ratio, ref. 1kHz at 5mV, assessed with the input shorted to ground, was a good 67dB in both channels. Restricting the measurement bandwidth to 22Hz–22kHz increased the ratio to 73.5dB, while inserting an A-weighting filter gave a further increase to 81.5dB. The ratios were around 12dB lower in MC mode, but this is still a relatively low level of noise.


Fig.13 Fern & Roby Amp No.2, phono input, MM mode, spectrum of 1kHz sinewave, DC–1kHz, for 10mV input with volume control set to –20dB (left channel blue, right red, linear frequency scale).

To be sure I wasn't prematurely clipping the output, I examined the phono input's overload margins with the volume control set to –20dB. The margins were high in both modes from 20Hz to 20kHz, at 22dB ref. 1kHz at 5mV (MM) and 500µV (MC). The third harmonic was the highest in level in the phono input's distortion signature (fig.13), but at –104dB (0.006%) was inconsequential. However, the low-level enharmonic spuriae I noted earlier are also present in this graph. The levels of the intermodulation products with an equal mix of 19 and 20kHz tones were very low.

In some respects, like the low levels of harmonic and intermodulation distortion, Fern & Roby Audio's Amp No. 2 offered respectable measured performance. The amplifier also met its output power specification, which is only specified into 8 ohms. However, the level mismatch between the channels concerned me, as did the relationship between the ultrasonic rolloff and the setting of the volume control and the presence of those low-level enharmonic tones. And then there's that unflat RIAA correction, the least accurate I have measured over decades.—John Atkinson


Footnote 1: These harmonics may be related to the fact that at these powers, the amplifier is no longer fully biased into class-A.

COMPANY INFO
Fern & Roby/Tektonics Design Group
702 E 4th St.
Richmond
VA 23224
(804) 233-5030
ARTICLE CONTENTS

COMMENTS
Archimago's picture

Wow. For a device >$8000 with relatively low output power, there are quite a few issues!

Knowing JA's standard tests over the years, I would have thought that all audiophile companies by now would have tried to ensure quality over obvious concerns like hum, channel imbalances, phono compensation errors, etc. which could be quite audible in certain systems before submission for reviews! (That the subjective reviewer was unable to notice some of these concerns is unfortunate but perhaps not surprising.)

So when the manufacturer comments that "All the items in the technical review have already been addressed in our production units.", is it normal for the reviewers to test prototypes/non-production units? Maybe they're saying that early units like the one being reviewed has problems - if so are they recalling these early units with issues?

For potential consumers, hopefully an actual "production" unit might be tested to confirm the claim that things have been improved.

Jim Austin's picture

The unit reviewed was a production unit or was presented as such--and I believe it was; certainly it had a serial number. I talked to the proprietor (Hildebrand) at AXPONA; the electronic design was outsourced, and the designer didn't know what he had. In some respects--particularly the RIAA correction--this seems like a misfire, a product we should not have reviewed--except that it has some special qualities, as Herb's listening notes make clear. And I trust Herb's ears completely--not as a proxy for measurements (we've got that covered) but as someone who knows and can vividly describe good sound.

So when Hildebrand writes, "There is always something valuable to be learned, and an opportunity to improve a design, when someone else runs your product through a rigorous independent analysis. All the items in the technical review have already been addressed in our production units," I believe he means all production units "from now on." And I believe he is sincere.

Best Wishes,
Jim Austin, Editor
Stereophile

David Harper's picture

So if I understand you correctly you're saying that in spite of the obvious technical flaws and inferiority of this amp your faith in Herb's golden ears convinces you that the amp must have some sound quality that is inexplicable and therefore unfalsifiable. The perfect audiophile argument.

teched58's picture

One must applaud Jim's forthrightness in confirming that this is a production unit, esp since the reader takeaway from this is that this company needs to work on its QC.

Jim Austin's picture

So if I understand you correctly you're saying that in spite of the obvious technical flaws and inferiority of this amp your faith in Herb's golden ears convinces you that the amp must have some sound quality that is inexplicable and therefore unfalsifiable.

That is indeed pretty close to what I'm saying. Your choice of words in characterizing it, though, betrays a profound naiveté--specifically a measurements-first hierarchy: If you can't measure it, it isn't real. That's an attitude that has, fortunately, been rejected by most of those in our industry who make things. Real quantitative chops and deep knowledge of theory and best practice are essential for a skilled engineer, but almost all will tell you that that gets you only part of the way there. I can think of only a few exceptions. There's no need to attribute good sound to anything mystical, but often it is inexplicable. But even if it isn't explicable, it is audible, and all hearing it requires is experience and ears that are open--not golden.

I saw the amp in question at AXPONA, but it wasn't playing music, so I can't comment on the sound. But I'll take Herb's many decades of deep-dive experience over any half-assed skeptic. If he says it sounds good, and it measures poorly, then it sounds good in spite of measuring poorly.

I see advantages in your apparent worldview. It is nice to think that things are so explicable, so easy to trace every effect back to some obvious cause. But the world doesn't work like that, or not as often as we wish it did.

I have no time to continue this conversation. Go ahead, do your best, I won't respond. And don't forget to tell the folks over at ASR about it.

Jim Austin, Editor
Stereophile

David Harper's picture

My choice of words was unnecessarily antagonistic. I can agree with most of what you say.

Jim Austin's picture

I appreciate your generosity.

Jim Austin, Editor
Stereophile

teched58's picture

JA2 wrote:

: If you can't measure it, it isn't real. That's an attitude that has, fortunately, been rejected by most of those in our industry who make things. Real quantitative chops and deep knowledge of theory and best practice are essential for a skilled engineer, but almost all will tell you that that gets you only part of the way there.

Mysticism may perhaps sometimes be helpful to explain phenomena which are refractory to the human brain and/or experience.

But to think such nonsense is operative when you're measuring frequency reponse or noise or the many other well-characterized things we do when we seek to characterize the performance of electronic equipment, that's just laughable.

DH's picture

Is that he should have heard something amiss in the sound with those measurements. If he didn’t, that indicates that his golden ears aren’t so golden. Maybe only silver….
And yes, there needs to be a follow up measurement of a production unit to see if the faults have been corrected.
That would only help the manufacturer.

MatthewT's picture

over at ASR you remind me why I don't.

Steeler's picture

On a pedantic, non-hifi note, Bonaparte was repelled from Russia in 1812, hence the 1812 Overture, which celebrated the event. 1815 marked his final defeat at Waterloo.

ok's picture

it's a bit strange (and consumer unsettling) that the last three amplifiers tested at stereophile arrived all damaged.

Anton's picture

If a manufacturer can't get an unbroken "production" model to Stereophile, then I'm out.

Glotz's picture

Small boutique manufacturers are great until they're not...

supamark's picture

but when I was reviewing stuff I was occassionally like the 3rd or 4th person to review it and the boxes I got were beat to hell. I don't think many mfg's bring the items back to the shop between reviews either.

Not lying, when I saw the picture then JA's comments about the volume control I pictured in my head that the knob turned a twig inside the amp.

MatthewT's picture

Fred Flintstone probably had one of these.

Axiom05's picture

JA should be charging for his lab service to measure these unfinished products. Clearly these companies aren't investing in the proper equipment to evaluate their own prototypes. Why should they? Just send it to Stereophile and get free data.

georgehifi's picture

Anton: "If a manufacturer can't get an unbroken "production" model to Stereophile, then I'm out."

Yeah, this happens all too often for my liking also, go back over the years there are way way too many of these "faulty" ones showing up for testing/review.
You would think the one the manufacturer sends to Stereophile is even better spec'd and adjusted than a retail one, and wrapped up in bed mattress for delivery so it makes it safely.

Cheers George

Anton's picture

“Close enough for a subjectivist!”

100% pure joking: trying to bridge the divide between Ashla and Bogan!

John David Spoon's picture

This review and the manufacturer's response present quite a dilemma to me as someone in the market for precisely this integrated amp's feature offerings and for whom the price point fits neatly within the scope of what I'm looking to build. On the one hand, I'm quite willing to grant the esteemed Herb Reichert the benefit of the doubt and concede that his experience in evaluating systems significantly exceeds mine. He variously offers that the system sounds "crisp," "pristinely focused," and "transparent" among numerous positive descriptors across the breadth of supporting electronics and speakers. These are all things a potential consumer would want to hear from someone knowledgeable and experienced in evaluating these things.

But at the same time, few people I know would be intrinsically happy purchasing something that was known to be notably flawed. If the sampled unit sounded that way with the issues identified in the changes, should we be reassured that the shortcomings have indeed been addressed in a unit we purchased? Moreover, if those attributes and descriptors are a function of the unit functioning as-is, is it not reasonable to expect that making whatever corrections are necessary to remediate those issues will, at least to some extent, change the fundamental perceived performance it delivers? Would it be unreasonable to expect to see this model revisited soon with a revised listening and measurement re-evaluation? I have to say, I'd be extremely reluctant to pull the trigger on this, as it stands.

David Harper's picture

My only problem here is that $8K for this particular component, given the reported performance of it, seems more than a little unjustified. Consider that a Schiit Vidar amp can be had for about $800. If one reads and compares the specs of these two amps there can only be one conclusion.

funambulistic's picture

... the one conclusion being the Amp No. 2 is an integrated and the Vidar is strictly a power amp. That is what you were going for, correct?

helomech's picture

of an underserving boutique brand attempting to exploit the naïveté of audiophiles and their proclivity to of correlating aesthetics and price with performance. With exception of the faceplate, knobs and milled remote, this product likely cost less to manufacture than any $400 mass market AVR.

Hopefully the out-sourced electrical designer made off like a bandit too.

Turnerman1103's picture

..

X