Chord Electronics DAVE D/A processor Specifications

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Description: D/A processor with volume control. Digital inputs: 1 AES/EBU (XLR), 4 75 ohm coaxial (BNC), 2 TosLink, 1 USB (Type B). Analog outputs: 1 pair balanced (XLR), 1 pair unbalanced (RCA), 1 headphone. Digital formats supported: 32–768kHz PCM in 32-bit; DSD64/128/256/512. Frequency response: 20Hz–20kHz, ±0.1dB. THD+N: –127.5dB ref. 0dBFS. Dynamic range: 127.5dB. Output impedance: 0.0055 ohm (short-circuit–protected).
Dimensions: 13.2" (334mm) W by 2.8" (71mm) H by 6.1" (154mm) D. Weight: 15.4 lbs (7kg).
Finishes: Silver, Black.
Serial number of unit reviewed: 413-001.
Price: $10,588. Approximate number of dealers: 25.
Manufacturer: Chord Electronics Ltd., The Pumphouse, Farleigh Bridge, Farleigh Lane, East Farleigh, Kent ME16 9NB, England, UK. Tel: (44) (0)1622-721444. Fax: (44) (0)1622-721555. Web: www.chordelectronics.co.uk. US distributor: Bluebird Music Ltd., 275 Woodward Avenue, Buffalo, NY 14217. Tel: (416) 638-8207. Fax: (416) 638-8115. Web: www.bluebirdmusic.com.

COMPANY INFO
Chord Electronics Ltd.
US distributor: Bluebird Music Ltd.
275 Woodward Avenue
Buffalo, NY 14217
(416) 638-8207
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Anton's picture

Any comment on how it performs as a PS4 controller?

tonykaz's picture

What will come of these DAC designs as MQA gains even more Gravity?

Already we have respected folks like Hans Beekhuyzen, JA and Mastering Engineers ( like Bob Ludwig ) explaining the Future Benefits.

Mr. Ludwig says that MQA removes Pre-Ringing, whew, that alone makes it worthwhile, doesn't it?

Perhaps ( reluctantly ) we say 'by-by' to Multi-bit, R2R, FGPA and any another design not adaptable. ( Schiit YGGY obsolete?, certainly! )

It feels like Digital was refined, than more refined, then refined yet again. phew.

There are only a few 'remnant' that still cling to vinyl as their primary music storage system, it just seems so awkward and cumbersome. Why would a new music lover want Vinyl expense and square footage demands?, especially since MQA Dac prices start at $200!

Right now, today, I'm figuring that everyone in the Audio Business wants to be Bob Stuart.

Tony in Michigan

Archimago's picture

Hey Tony... I trust that was said with tongue firmly superglued to cheek :-).

I'm not sure if most want to be Mr. Stuart. I'm sure the company must have spent a pretty penny on MQA marketing over the years just from the business perspective.

tonykaz's picture

There is a Team of Software Developers behind all this, Stuart is their Managing Director who's flying around the World selling the Project.

It seems like everyone is getting On-Board.

Betcha it's exciting to be a part it.

Right now, everywhere there's an Audio Group gathering, Stuart is their No.1 choice for Keynote Speaker. Sort-of like he's the Steve Jobs of Audio.

Tony in Michigan

ps. this is my estimation, I've always like Meridian designs, I've been one of their dealers.

Anton's picture

I use MQA for streaming, it's fine.

I don't get the evangelical response it has received in certain corners. It's like someone told a tale of finding some golden ears in a secret place hidden by an audio angel and created the "Book of MQA" and the cult took off from there.

tonykaz's picture

Wonderful analogy, wish I'd of thought of it.

But

Meridian has always been an Engineering Company ( like 3M Corp. ), they've been at the forefront of Digital advancement. I've know these guys since the early 1980s, they're a no-bullshi... type group.

I don't think that I 'believe' in Meridian or MQA but rather I trust Meridian and MQA. The down-side being that they are upper-middle class. Still, a person can access MQA with a $200 Explorer2, $300 for an Audioquest Dragonfly RED or go full desktop with a Mytek for $2,000. ( we can't and won't be able to get a Schiit Bifrost MQA, too bad, I'm a Schiit fanboy )

I don't expect greatness from MQA, just advancement.

I hope we're not boxing ourselves into another corner.

Tony in Michigan

Anton's picture

This ----> "I hope we're not boxing ourselves into another corner."

tonykaz's picture

Ortofon sent their Man to Analog Planet Headquarters to show their New & Improved $4,000 Phono Cartridge, the video is now on YouTube. Please notice the vastness of the Vinyl Record Collection used as the Backdrop, it's gigantic ! Vinyl guys are boxed into storage of Vinyl and the Fragile nature of the Gear needed for playback, not to mention the total lack of portability & incredible expense.

CD is copyable so it's profit possibility for Artists is less ( perhaps considerably less )

MQA/Tidal is Global in nature, as the World adopts Streaming, new issues will manifest themselves. Will this become another limiting factor?

My hope is to have access to all the recorded music that's out there, on a rental basis. I don't want to rely on my own digital storage & hard copy storage systems.

If I dump my vast CD collection and abandon my hard drive storage systems to rely on Tidal's rental collection will I be boxed in and risk Tidal going out of business? ( and ever increasing Monthly usage charges ).

Seems like there's always something to be worried about, like getting the Big C.

Tony in Michigan

hollowman's picture

Chord's view -- "going for broke" on no. of taps to use in their devices -- is interesting.
Only a few weeks ago, Stereophile had a YouTube video interview with heads of mbl (German company). I think they said tap qty was more of an art and science -- a Goldilocks approach. If you go too high (as far as mbl was concerned) you can start harming the sound.

Staxguy's picture

Any chance Chord Electronics will be so kind as to send you their Blue 2 CD to add to the equation?

AllanMarcus's picture

"implying resolution close to 20 bits, which is state-of-the-art DAC performance"

I thought 20-bit was obsolete? Stereophile said so on their Facebook page.

John Atkinson's picture
AllanMarcus wrote:
John Atkinson wrote:
implying resolution close to 20 bits, which is state-of-the-art DAC performance
I thought 20-bit was obsolete? Stereophile said so on their Facebook page.

20-bit chips are obsolete as they become the limiting factor in resolution when used in real-word audio circuits, ending up with <20-bit resolution. The very best current D/A processors achieve between 20 and 21-bit resolution, limited primarily by the thermal noise of the resistors used.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

dmusoke's picture

Are these resistors internal to the DAC or external in the post dac filtering circuitry?

John Atkinson's picture
All resistors produce thermal noise. The noise can be reduced by using lower-value resistors and correspondingly higher currents, but there is a practical limit.

One point I neglected to make in my earlier posting that in the specific example of a D/A processor using 20-bit DAC chips, that product's, in my opinion, less-than-optimal way of reducing the bit depth from 24 to 20 would result in a noise floor that would correlated with the signal. This is potentially more audible than a constant level of noise.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

dmusoke's picture

Yeah, if they had used, say, an ESS9038PRO dac, the performance would have just as good, if not better with its huge 140dB dynamic range.

The DAVEs IMD spec is indeed excellent. But you have tested other expensive dacs here with superb specs similar to this one. So how does the DAVE sonically compare with these other dacs, some using traditional dac chips?

Maxx134's picture

If you say, "The very best D/A processors achieve between 20-21 bit resolution..."
And you state the Dave achieve "close to" this, and yet in Yggdrasil you make no mention of this,
How useful is all this work testing if this info is not laid out for the readers?
Why do I have to read the comments to realize these details?

So I have to "read between the lines", that the Dave get close, and the yggy is in league with "The very best D/A achieve between 20and 21 bit resolution"....

You focus on noise quite a bit..
To me, noise is not the issue.

The issue is that I have heard many top end dacs with a very unnatural quiet black background which I KNOW is not true to the source.
These dacs remove the background while cleaning up the noise floor, thus loosing information.

I would look again into some noise floor aspect to find out why.

So far, the Dave IMHO produce one of the most beautiful music I ever heard, as I hear no flaws in the source,
While the Yggdrasil still shows me the flaws in the source, with a slightly larger soundstag,
again IMHO.
Edit :
I just realized the effects described of black background are rom lower bit resolution (!)

ultrabike's picture

This may be an oversight or my lack of understanding. But if you notice, the -90 dBFS 16-bit tone plot has a 1.5 mV peak-to-peak range. This seems unusually high relative to other plots I've seen here.

That seems to imply that 0 dBFS is about 33.5 Vrms or so. Doesn't this DAC clip at 12.35 Vrms? (assuming 8.75V is rms and "+3dB" mode is therefore 12.35 Vrms)

Wouldn't that create the illusion of more effective number of bits because the 0 dBFS signal power is much higher, relative to noise floor, than when referenced to a perhaps more standard 2.0 or 4.0 Vrms? I say illusion because of clipping, and because not many downstream equipment (for example, an amplifier) may accept a 33.5 Vrms range with out any issues.

By similar arguments, wouldn't a 1.5 mV peak-to-peak -90 dBFS plot seem visually less noisy when compared to a say 0.2 mV peak-to-peak -90 dBFS plot?

John Atkinson's picture
ultrabike wrote:
This may be an oversight or my lack of understanding. But if you notice, the -90 dBFS 16-bit tone plot has a 1.5 mV peak-to-peak range. This seems unusually high relative to other plots I've seen here.

Yes it is. I set the Chord's volume control to its maximum for this test, even though that would have resulted in clipping with a full-scale signal, because I couldn't replicate the manufacturer's own measurement at lower levels.

ultrabike wrote:
Wouldn't that create the illusion of more effective number of bits because the 0 dBFS signal power is much higher, relative to noise floor, than when referenced to a perhaps more standard 2.0 or 4.0 Vrms?

With this test I was more concerned with looking at waveform symmetry with the undithered data.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

rhgg2's picture

I am slightly confused. On the one hand you say:

Quote:

With this test I was more concerned with looking at waveform symmetry with the undithered data.

i.e., the fact that I boosted the volume to impracticable levels is not relevant to the test results. On the other hand you say:

Quote:

I set the Chord's volume control to its maximum for this test, even though that would have resulted in clipping with a full-scale signal, because I couldn't replicate the manufacturer's own measurement at lower levels.

i.e., the fact that I boosted the volume to impracticable levels is critical to the test results, as it is only by so doing that I can avoid the conclusion that the manufacturer's claims are spurious. I am reminded of a well known expression involving the eating of cake.

Could I suggest that you provide the results at a standardised level that does not clip the full scale output, so as to allow a fair comparison with other products you have objectively tested?

Maxx134's picture

For the yggydrasil review, you measured similar test waveform of undithered 1kHz sinewave...
yet at 24-bit data, and at extremely small levels of 200uV peak to peak!.
Then with Dave you change your test parameters because you cant get a good "manufacturer" result???!

This leads to pics that are thus misleading for the Dave, in comparison to all other Dacs reviews.

I rather to see a uniformity in your testing to be able to get a true comparison to other dacs, especially the yggydrasil.

As it stands member "ultrabike" sheds light to this discrepancy in measuring uniformity.

Therefore I would like to know, if you cannot achieve the performance the manufacturer states for the Dave,
What were your initial findings before you decided to "juiced up" the settings?

I already heard the Dave personally and have commented positive about it, so not knocking it, but, in fairness..
Curious members want to know.

arashid026's picture

I've read all the reviews of the new Chord DACs, and for some reason I feel the team at stereophile doesn't bring up the key reason of the TAPs and the USP of Chord. These DACS all have the fluidity and gentleness of true analog, but this is never mentioned. If you check the review of even the QBD76 on what hi-fi they did identify this very desirable quality. When I play Metallica on Vinyl, and then hear them on my Chord Dave and Chord Mojo, well these do play them with all the energy, and tunefulness (without sounding Harsh) of the Vinyl. Have a lot of respect for JA and the team at stereophile, but would be nice to get Dave reviewed by Fremer and see if it passes his "analog ears" test. (I'm pretty confident he will be pleased)

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