Gramophone Dreams #86: Harbeth P3ESR XD loudspeaker and Nelson subwoofer/stand Page 2

With the First Watt SIT-3: When the Nelson Pass–designed First Watt SIT-3 power amplifier clicks with a speaker, it presents recordings in a manner that has bones, core strength, and a natural way with vocal and instrumental timbre. One of the speakers the SIT-3 really clicked with was Harbeth's P3ESR 40th Anniversary Edition; see the first link in footnote 1 for details. The SIT-3 is an 18W, transformer coupled, single-ended, single-stage class-A amplifier that uses vertically stacked, static-induction field-effect transistors exclusive to First Watt. It uses no negative feedback and dances best with 6 ohm speakers like the P3ESR XD.

With the Harbeth P3s, the SIT-3 shaped and molded soundforms into something with chunk and a beguiling plasticity. This "molding" is something most amps don't do, but I wish more amps did, because it gives dimension and body to musical forms. The SIT-3 feels like it rolls off the topmost octave, but it doesn't. Instead, it presents performers and their instruments with so much flesh and bone that

I forget to notice the highs. With the P3s powered by the SIT-3, every recording venue seemed more voluminous than it did with the Parasound A 21+ or my Elekit 300Bs. With the 300Bs, the P3s show off an explicit transparency that makes it a fine speaker for choir and orchestra. The Parasound A 21+ expands the P3's soundspace, solidifies pianos, and emphasizes musical drama. The SIT-3 makes the P3s sound eerily natural and physically real in ways I have never experienced with other amps. This was a uniquely satisfying pairing.

The un-Corinthian Nelson
One of my sparrow spies told me that Harbeth's curiously named woofer–speaker stand combination, the Nelson, is regarded by its keepers as a visual pun—first noticed I presume after a few pints—on that famous Corinthian column topped by a statue of Admiral Horatio Nelson in Trafalgar Square. It could also reference one or more bits of less polite pub slang.

Costing $3490/pair and standing 31" from the speaker-platform on top to the tips of the cone-spiked feet on its base, the Nelson woofer uses the same Harbeth-made 4.33" (110mm; footnote 6) radial woofer as the P3s inside a grille cloth–covered tube that feels like cardboard—though the Harbeth website says the Nelson "features the latest composite materials, providing high stiffness with low mass," so presumably it's not actually cardboard. Either way, this tube serves as what Harbeth describes as a "bandpass enclosure."

I presume this woofer is loaded somehow and is firing down into and out of the Nelson's 4" high, 14" diameter steel base. A flat panel on the back of its round-caged bottom incorporates a receptacle for the wire-wart, 24V power supply for the built-in 50W class-D amplifier. A simple control knob permits users to adjust the woofer's level. "The Nelson's digital signal processing unit optimizes the crossover frequency, phase, and shape so the Nelson takes over seamlessly as the host speaker's bass rolls off."

This all sounds like website blah blah blah, but my listening impressions suggest that something unusually correct is happening phase-wise in the octaves on either side of the Nelson's 75Hz crossover point. The Nelson features a 5k ohm input transformer that, according to Harbeth's website, "presents virtually no load to the main amplifier." I am not sure how that works, but in use it felt as though the Nelson's load might be smoothing the P3's response.

With the Nelson's levels set at 11 o'clock in my 10' × 13' × 9' room, its palm-sized drivers flattened the P3's measured frequency response below 100Hz by raising the average volume in the octaves from 25Hz to 100Hz by as much as 9dB. The Nelson is said to extend frequency response down to ∼35Hz, ±3dB.

I am not an experienced subwoofer user, yet finding the best level in my room was quick and easy, and the result was a speaker that sounded larger and played smoother. Placing the Nelson + P3 in my room was also easy, as the P3ESR XD seems to play right no matter where I put it.

During my auditions, the P3/Nelson combos were 7' apart and 2' from the wall behind them.

After a week of listening, I got the point of Alan Shaw's latest invention: The Nelson adds bass weight in addition to some luxurious depth and atmosphere. That extra bass weight was obvious and welcome on Nils Frahm's Felt; on the first track, the bass actually shook my easy-to-shake floor. On the second, the soundspace became infinitely deep in a manner the P3 could not have done without the Nelson's help. On that same track, the loud sounds of the piano's action appeared, crackling with razor-sharp transients and microdetail. On the third track, I could hear Nils breathing. On the fourth, I could hear him whistling, and household noises coming from a room far behind him. I still had to sit close, but the voice this system projected felt full-range, elegant, and well-spoken.

Bore to stroke ratio: Compared to the P3 alone, the P3 + Nelson projected a taller energy field, wherein it seemed the woofer on the bottom made the location of the box on top less noticeable. That in turn made the presentation feel more of a piece than with the P3ESR XDs alone. This feeling of wholeness encouraged my left brain to remind me how the Nelson moved the geometric center of the P3's spectral balance down almost a full octave, allowing my mind to work less hard extrapolating for the missing bass octaves.

This was a different experience from adding a separately located subwoofer like the KEF KC62 or SVS 3000 Micro subs I reviewed. Adding those floor-woofers never let my mind relax completely because my audio-brain kept looking for the extra sound source. The Nelsons never revealed their locations, which caused me to speculate: Maybe I can't locate them because according to my in-room measurements the Nelson shuts off completely by 100Hz, and because, according to Harbeth's webpage, the DSP aligns phase at the crossover frequency.

Listening with Nelson, P3, and Parasound's A 21+: I imagine a lot of rock-steady Harbeth fans have discovered, as I did, that no matter how much Harbeth's P3s like 300B triodes, they light up recordings in a bolder, more articulate manner when connected to a more powerful solid state amplifier like Parasound's Halo A 21+. The tube glow is gone of course, but it is replaced by the depth and assuredness that 300W into 8 ohms can provide. For years now, the A 21+ has enhanced every speaker I've connected it to. I call it "a 10W amp with a 1000W power supply," because it plays sensitive speakers with such incredible charm.

Listening critically to the native-DSD download of Todd Garfinkle's 5.6MHz DSD recording of Sera Una Noche Otra Noche (M•A Recordings MA092A), and comparing it to the 24-bit/176.4kHz WAV file and then to the Red Book CD, focused my attentions on transient sharpness and perceived transparency. The DSD download presented an atom-level view of this recording's raw data where nothing is sharp or dull. Through the dCS Lina DAC with Master Clock, Todd's DSD file came out with a grainless density and a brilliant transparency.

In comparison, the demonstration-quality 24/176.4 WAV file displayed a different light-and-contrast structure. PCM's transparency was drier and more coolly lit. Transients in the WAV file seemed edge-sharpened compared to DSD and CD. The CD came through with the greatest body, slam, and texture, but this high punch factor was accompanied by a slightly thicker air, a slightly softer focus, and reduced transparency. With the Nelson woofer, Harbeth's P3ESR XD exposed these elusive differences more clearly than it did without the woofer. Adding Harbeth's bass column relaxed and clarified the P3 monitors in a manner that made all recordings easier to enjoy and scrutinize.

The Nelson with the Gold Badge: Standing 29" high, the Nelson places my Falcon Gold Badges 5" higher than they sit on my 24" Sound Anchor Stands. Because that's where they worked best with the P3s, I have the Nelsons and the Gold Badges sitting 22" from the speaker backs to the wall behind them; that's 11" farther out than I would usually have the Falcons. This is a not-insignificant repositioning of my reference speaker, so I listened for a couple days with the Nelsons powered off; the result was a lighter, bouncier, more transparent speaker. Resting on taller stands, the Falcons presented a leaner, cleaner 50Hz to 500Hz, which I reasoned might help them mesh with the Nelsons. And I believe it did.

I often say that I need the 75Hz to 300Hz octaves to be clean and well-sorted, because my LS3/5a's are famously wayward in that region. Adding a subwoofer won't make those two octaves clearer, but it can smooth out their frequency response. Which is precisely what the Nelson and its clever DSP did. The effect of this flattening was to smooth and sweeten the Falcon's voice and add body to its tone.

Nowhere was this extra body and sweeter voice more obvious than it was playing a Japanese flute and traditional dance album from 1968 (King Records LP SKM 29). This ultrahigh-fidelity recording of drums, shakuhachi flute, stringed koto, or biwa, occupied my room in a manner I can only describe as stunningly physical and true-to-life. That awe-inducing realism was dramatically reduced when I turned the Nelson woofer off.

In sum
Harbeth's P3ESR XD sounded exactly as I expected it would: more finely detailed and transparent than my memories of the 40th Anniversary edition I used for several years.

The big news of this 86th Dream, though, is the Nelson woofer's ability to add an octave of bass and blend invisibly with Harbeth's P3ESR XD, and my Falcon LS3/5a. I did not predict that. The Nelson enabled both speakers to image from floor to ceiling and deliver a mesmerizing, precisely rendered spectacle that even LS3/5a purists like me could embrace.

Adding the Nelson subwoofer stand to Harbeth's P3ESR XD created an entirely new, longer-wheelbase, smoother-riding, fuller-sounding speaker, a must-audition for Harbeth P3 and LS3/5a aficionados.


Footnote 6: Harbeth specifies the driver size as 110mm, equivalent to 4.33", but also refers to it as a 5" drive unit.

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hemingway's picture

Hoping that Herb sent these speakers and the Nelsons to JA for measurement!

PeterG's picture

I'm not very technical, but I notice that you call them woofers, then compare them to subwoofers; and I wonder--are the Nelsons really subwoofers if they go down only to 35Hz?

Kal Rubinson's picture

What is a subwoofer?
Is it defined by a specific frequency range or is it defined as extending response below the range of the associated woofer?

zipzimzap's picture

I like your second description. If someone is shopping for a subwoofer and wants it to hit a specific frequency then they can easily limit their search to the ones that do that. Plenty of users wouldn't likely need anything that reaches below 35hz.

audiolab1962's picture

Well going back a good number of years, it would be for a device to fill in the bottom octave and a bit possibly. To fill in what a half decent floorstanded was missing. Now it seems to apply to just about whatever you want, almost a marketing tool and no more than that in a great deal of cases. Slightly surprised that they like this unit, bandpass designs are very critically tuned. Tend to display a slightly tubby sound quality. That the output below it's tuned frequency drops off like a cliff.

This is not the first time a solution like this has been offered.

It's Ultimate capabilities must clearly be limited, but then again look what it is supporting.

If it's your bag then great go for it.

Kal Rubinson's picture

I'm glad we cleared that up. :-)

argyle_mikey's picture

Herb - I think - is referring to “Nelson Riddle”, being Cockney rhyming slang for a visit to the toilet. Unless, of course, he’s thinking of Nelson Pass…

Herb Reichert's picture

I love pub slang

h

zimmer74's picture

but I want to comment on the various LS3/5A versions out there. I have several, including your favorite Falcon Gold Badge. But if you want to take it to the next level, you must try the Falcon 2024 limited edition. At $10K, most people will make the usual negative comments, but these are, by a considerable margin, the best speakers I have ever owned, regardless of price or size.

Herb Reichert's picture

stay tuned

h

justmeagain's picture

placing subwoofers directly beneath the primary stereo speakers rarely results in the most accurate bass reproduction. It's usually acceptable, but not ideal.

mSpot's picture

The P3ESR/Nelson combo effectively makes it a 3-way floorstanding speaker. The Nelson extends the bass of the P3ESR and capable of doing it in a very controlled way due to the fixed relative positions of the two units and the known output characteristics of the P3ESR. It is a plug-and-play enhancement, although for a given room, bass may not be as optimized as with freely positioned subwoofers.

Homer Theater's picture

How to make a HUGE slow-sounding speaker sound exactly like a small 2-way speaker... don't connect the woofer. Seriously. A giant "slow" speaker sounds EXACTLY like a small 2-way when the woofer(s) is inactive. Even without a tiny little box to put it in, the big speaker sounds like a tiny speaker without the woofer(s). The only thing people who "like" small speakers REALLY like is music without bass. Bass de-focuses your attention on mids and highs. It has NOTHING to do with the physical size of the speaker. It's 100% a question of bass being present or not. Bass DEMANDS your attention even if you try to ignore it. There is NOTHING special about the physical size nor is there anything magical about having 2 drivers sharing a tiny box. It's bass and nothing but bass that drives people to tiny speakers. They simply don't LIKE hearing all the sound that exists in the performance because they can hear the mids and highs better when there's little or no bass. The best sounding small speaker designed before the days of computer software optimization of everything, was the JR-149. Forget the LS-3/5a and it's "bass" bump and BBC "house sound". For accuracy, verve, imaging, detail, lack of noise from the "cabinet" and natural sound, nothing beat the JR-149... until computer-aided-speaker-design and modern analysis tools, and technically superior modern parts and materials allowed some well done modern designs to outperform anything possible from the 1980s and earlier. But big cabinets don't sound like big cabinets when you disconnect the woofers so the tweeter and midrange are the only operating drivers (and the midrange can work well down to 100 Hz or so). A giant speaker with no bass below 100 Hz sounds every bit as light and lively as a tiny 2-way--assuming the giant speaker is reasonably well-designed, of course. If you are going to rebut this and you have NEVER heard a great-sounding giant speaker without bass below 100 Hz-ish... don't bother, your opinion exits without a reference point. It would be like saying pancakes are better than waffles without ever having tried a waffle.

justmeagain's picture

who asked? Anyone?

Homer Theater's picture

It's a comment, nobody has to ask. Do I need to explain everything to you? Because I will...

MatthewT's picture

I do believe your post is the strangest yet.

Homer Theater's picture

Thanks. I'll take "strange" any day. People assign ridiculous magical properties to tiny (but well-made/designed) 2-way speakers. As though they do something NO larger speaker can do. Hogwash. Take away the bass and any larger speaker sounds exactly like a tiny 2-way.

justmeagain's picture

A. Obviously, a big speaker with a disconnected woofer sounds just like a small speaker that's incapable of reproducing bass frequencies. They're the same thing in different enclosures. Why anyone would do that is inexplicable, because having big speakers implies a desire to hear some bass. B. Hearing bass does not "de-focus" my attention to mids and highs, as splitting up the frequency range of human hearing in this fashion is strictly an arbitrary byproduct of component and speaker design. If you can't hear all the frequencies without being distracted by the bass, that's strictly your problem. C. Finally, your comment doesn't appear to have anything to do with the story it is attached to. You have every right to say whatever you want, wherever you want, but it's a bit of a head scratcher, that's all.

romath's picture

"Harbeth's P3ESR XDs produced their sharpest-focused detail and showcased their most solid piano realism using just a few watts from the 300Wpc (into 8 ohms) Parasound Halo A 21+ stereo amplifier,..."

At the first Pacific Audio Fest in 2022, the only audio show I've ever attended, the Louis Armstrong/Duke Ellington LP got a lot of play in the demo rooms. During my visits to virtually all of them, most more than once, I only heard two rooms where Ellington's piano sounded like the real thing. The one that truly stood out was the very modest sized hotel room that included Parasound, their amp if I recall correctly. Never forget that.

laxr5rs's picture

Because the measurements would show what is obvious. The only thing that these stands will change is any of the vibrations coming through a cabinet - that should already have been designed correctly. The cabinet vibrations from a multi-thousand dollar speakers, should be far below our ability to perceive them. If a $3000+ speaker isn't already designed with a mostly inert cabinet - why buy it? Not having measurements listed, allows the reviewer to - say anything they want. Why we need measurements here, is to eliminate flowery reviewer language, and get to the crux of the issue. Performance. Cars are complicated, but when you put a car on a dynamometer that's calibrated, everyone says, possibly, "hey, it's got 500 rear wheel horsepower." You don't see car guys saying, "but I really feel like it's closer to 501... maybe even 502. Then someone else - doesn't say, "my gut tells me it's 496." Speaker performance is not a mystery, and speakers are much less complicated than cars. Point.

hemingway's picture

To clarify request for measurements, I suggested/hoped that John A. got a chance to measure these because it is an updated version of this speaker which was measured by him maybe a decade ago, but has apparently undergone some updates that presumably alter the measurements. So to me that could be useful to the consumer/reader. I also wonder how the system measures with the Nelsons in place, since it seems that (based on memory of this article) the Nelson has some type of crossover to the P3. It effectively almost makes it a 'new' product, so that would be interesting to understand. When adding the cost of Nelsons into the speaker, all of the sudden you are left choosing between a more full range standalone speaker versus this combination, as well.

Lax5rs, my understanding is that not all products in this column are subject to measurements. Doubtful they are trying to hide the ball... Also I recall many articles where Herb talks about the effects of cabinets (or no cabinets) on perceived sound. See eg reviews of magnepans, and a recent monitor speaker with an aluminum or inert cabinet and exotic tweeter, maybe an AMG or something like that. For what it's worth.

Ortofan's picture

... the kind of speaker you hunker down with for the long haul.
The Harbeth Super HL5plus XD is their current equivalent of the SP 1/2.
Question for HR is which one would he prefer/choose: this P3ESR XD/Nelson combo or - for an extra $1K/pr. - the Super HL5plus XD?

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