AnalogueWorks Zero turntable Associated Equipment

Thu, 06/22/2017

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tonykaz's picture

I never realized.

Jelco have multiple versions of the same arm, I would've explored them all had I known but I didn't, I simply bought the MMT by the crate full, probably selling 3 per day for $250 ( I think ), I loved the MMT.

Initially we were offering Turntables with the Linn Basik, the various SME arms, Dynavector 501, Fidelity Research Arm, Linn Ittok, Grace Arms.

Then we ( I ) discovered the Sumiko MMT Arm which became our Super Arm. Phew

My Esoteric Audio was a Vinyl shop, we specialized in Turntables and Arms and Moving Coil Carts. Sales Reps knew that we would buy anything they had to offer ( and plenty of it ). We had a Front & Center Turntable Set-up bench which included all the gear needed to properly set-up a Player, even a Tektronix Scope. We went far beyond the simple stuff Fremer does in his little clinic show & tell ( he's an amateur ).

I suspect your Zero sample needed a "proper" & careful tune up before submitting to critical ears. Still, solid plinth tables are doubtful.

So, whats so compelling about this Zero? Consider a person could buy a used VPI with nice arm for $2,000!!!

However, once again, HR's prose makes reading a TT review interesting, it takes me back to my old days of troubleshooting problems out of record playback systems.

Thanks for the memories.

Tony in Michigan

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AnalogueWorks Zero turntable Specifications

Thu, 06/22/2017

COMMENTS
tonykaz's picture

I never realized.

Jelco have multiple versions of the same arm, I would've explored them all had I known but I didn't, I simply bought the MMT by the crate full, probably selling 3 per day for $250 ( I think ), I loved the MMT.

Initially we were offering Turntables with the Linn Basik, the various SME arms, Dynavector 501, Fidelity Research Arm, Linn Ittok, Grace Arms.

Then we ( I ) discovered the Sumiko MMT Arm which became our Super Arm. Phew

My Esoteric Audio was a Vinyl shop, we specialized in Turntables and Arms and Moving Coil Carts. Sales Reps knew that we would buy anything they had to offer ( and plenty of it ). We had a Front & Center Turntable Set-up bench which included all the gear needed to properly set-up a Player, even a Tektronix Scope. We went far beyond the simple stuff Fremer does in his little clinic show & tell ( he's an amateur ).

I suspect your Zero sample needed a "proper" & careful tune up before submitting to critical ears. Still, solid plinth tables are doubtful.

So, whats so compelling about this Zero? Consider a person could buy a used VPI with nice arm for $2,000!!!

However, once again, HR's prose makes reading a TT review interesting, it takes me back to my old days of troubleshooting problems out of record playback systems.

Thanks for the memories.

Tony in Michigan

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AnalogueWorks Zero turntable Page 2

Thu, 06/22/2017

COMMENTS
tonykaz's picture

I never realized.

Jelco have multiple versions of the same arm, I would've explored them all had I known but I didn't, I simply bought the MMT by the crate full, probably selling 3 per day for $250 ( I think ), I loved the MMT.

Initially we were offering Turntables with the Linn Basik, the various SME arms, Dynavector 501, Fidelity Research Arm, Linn Ittok, Grace Arms.

Then we ( I ) discovered the Sumiko MMT Arm which became our Super Arm. Phew

My Esoteric Audio was a Vinyl shop, we specialized in Turntables and Arms and Moving Coil Carts. Sales Reps knew that we would buy anything they had to offer ( and plenty of it ). We had a Front & Center Turntable Set-up bench which included all the gear needed to properly set-up a Player, even a Tektronix Scope. We went far beyond the simple stuff Fremer does in his little clinic show & tell ( he's an amateur ).

I suspect your Zero sample needed a "proper" & careful tune up before submitting to critical ears. Still, solid plinth tables are doubtful.

So, whats so compelling about this Zero? Consider a person could buy a used VPI with nice arm for $2,000!!!

However, once again, HR's prose makes reading a TT review interesting, it takes me back to my old days of troubleshooting problems out of record playback systems.

Thanks for the memories.

Tony in Michigan

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AnalogueWorks Zero turntable

My main task is to describe an audio component's basic character. How was it made? How did it fit into my system? How effectively did it deliver musical performances? My goal is to create stories that generate sounds and images in your mind—stories that will allow you to imagine how the component might perform in your system.

I can hear the moans from all you objectivist guys: Please, Herb, spare us your purple prose.

Thu, 06/22/2017

Lamm Industries L2.1 Reference preamplifier Measurements

Tue, 06/20/2017

COMMENTS
Glotz's picture

Solid state device in the power supply were used? Or is it just less linear? I get the no neg feedback as the higher voltages allowed for greater linearity, but I assume that tubes just do zero feedback designs better?

Really cool product and a very well-conveyed review!

mrkaic's picture

Too inaccurate for a preamp and priced way too high. Compare this to Benchmark's DAC3 and weep.

Hummer189's picture

Hi Art, I know you occasionally use a Croft amplifier, are you aware that Croft has a 2 Box preamp (separate power supply) similar to the Lamm and has been building these for years and as you know Croft uses separate volume controls for each channel. A few similarities which Croft has been doing for years. The 2 box Croft RS preamp is a fraction of the price of the Lamm and I would wager sounds equally as good. Maybe you ought to get to listen to one, if not try the Croft 25R preamp which is all valve regulated and sounds almost as stunning.Would be interesting to know how these compare at different ends of the price spectrum!

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Lamm Industries L2.1 Reference preamplifier Associated Equipment

Tue, 06/20/2017

COMMENTS
Glotz's picture

Solid state device in the power supply were used? Or is it just less linear? I get the no neg feedback as the higher voltages allowed for greater linearity, but I assume that tubes just do zero feedback designs better?

Really cool product and a very well-conveyed review!

mrkaic's picture

Too inaccurate for a preamp and priced way too high. Compare this to Benchmark's DAC3 and weep.

Hummer189's picture

Hi Art, I know you occasionally use a Croft amplifier, are you aware that Croft has a 2 Box preamp (separate power supply) similar to the Lamm and has been building these for years and as you know Croft uses separate volume controls for each channel. A few similarities which Croft has been doing for years. The 2 box Croft RS preamp is a fraction of the price of the Lamm and I would wager sounds equally as good. Maybe you ought to get to listen to one, if not try the Croft 25R preamp which is all valve regulated and sounds almost as stunning.Would be interesting to know how these compare at different ends of the price spectrum!

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Lamm Industries L2.1 Reference preamplifier Specifications

Tue, 06/20/2017

COMMENTS
Glotz's picture

Solid state device in the power supply were used? Or is it just less linear? I get the no neg feedback as the higher voltages allowed for greater linearity, but I assume that tubes just do zero feedback designs better?

Really cool product and a very well-conveyed review!

mrkaic's picture

Too inaccurate for a preamp and priced way too high. Compare this to Benchmark's DAC3 and weep.

Hummer189's picture

Hi Art, I know you occasionally use a Croft amplifier, are you aware that Croft has a 2 Box preamp (separate power supply) similar to the Lamm and has been building these for years and as you know Croft uses separate volume controls for each channel. A few similarities which Croft has been doing for years. The 2 box Croft RS preamp is a fraction of the price of the Lamm and I would wager sounds equally as good. Maybe you ought to get to listen to one, if not try the Croft 25R preamp which is all valve regulated and sounds almost as stunning.Would be interesting to know how these compare at different ends of the price spectrum!

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Lamm Industries L2.1 Reference preamplifier Page 2

Tue, 06/20/2017

COMMENTS
Glotz's picture

Solid state device in the power supply were used? Or is it just less linear? I get the no neg feedback as the higher voltages allowed for greater linearity, but I assume that tubes just do zero feedback designs better?

Really cool product and a very well-conveyed review!

mrkaic's picture

Too inaccurate for a preamp and priced way too high. Compare this to Benchmark's DAC3 and weep.

Hummer189's picture

Hi Art, I know you occasionally use a Croft amplifier, are you aware that Croft has a 2 Box preamp (separate power supply) similar to the Lamm and has been building these for years and as you know Croft uses separate volume controls for each channel. A few similarities which Croft has been doing for years. The 2 box Croft RS preamp is a fraction of the price of the Lamm and I would wager sounds equally as good. Maybe you ought to get to listen to one, if not try the Croft 25R preamp which is all valve regulated and sounds almost as stunning.Would be interesting to know how these compare at different ends of the price spectrum!

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Lamm Industries L2.1 Reference preamplifier

"As the original L2 circuitry was virtually flawless, it was the emergence of new electronic components that opened up a possibility of [even better performance] . . ."

So begins one of two booklets—one a collection of specifications and interior photos, the other a distinctly thorough user's manual—included with the new L2.1 Reference line-level preamplifier from Brooklyn's Lamm Industries, earlier products from which have impressed me as among the best available. Indeed, coming from almost anyone else, the above quote would strike me as trivial boasting—but I know from experience that there's nothing trivial about designer and company head Vladimir Lamm.

Tue, 06/20/2017

Arcam irDAC-II D/A processor Measurements

Tue, 06/20/2017

COMMENTS
tonykaz's picture

Who else should I ask?, am I asking the right person?

This Lamm Reference RIAA preamp for instance. Is it Class A Recommended? or is the Manufacturer claiming it to be well above Class A?

Seems like plenty of outfits are claiming their stuff to be Reference Class.

So, should we now expect there to be : Reference Class, Class A, Class B, Class C, etc?

Besides, is there anything in the Vinyl chain that could be Reference?, like a Clock traceable to WWV's HP Atomic Clock.

Maybe "Reference" is a "Tuning Fork".

Of course 16/44.1 Redbook would have to be a Reference, wouldn't it? and now 24/44.1 & 24/48 are useful References, aren't they?

How can a Vinyl Record be Reference, there are virtually no standards (what so ever) in the Vinyl industry or in Playback gear.

Un-less, what Chad Kassem says is true: most of the Vinyl being made is from the Digital Master ( which is of a Reference Standard ).

Confused Tony in Michigan

John Atkinson's picture
tonykaz wrote:
Who else should I ask?, am I asking the right person?

Right person but possibly the wrong thread, as this is the Arcam DAC review.

tonykaz wrote:
This Lamm Reference RIAA preamp for instance. Is it Class A Recommended? or is the Manufacturer claiming it to be well above Class A?

When you see the word "Reference" in a Stereophile review, it means that the word is part of the product's formal name, nothing more.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

tonykaz's picture

it means nothing more, it's just a name, an arbitrary selection by the Company, no reference to any Established Reference.

I suppose, in short, it's BS.

Why do we have these ><)))))'> smells in Audiophile marketing?

I suppose this is why we need our JA & Tyll

Tony in Michigan

dalethorn's picture

"Besides, is there anything in the Vinyl chain that could be Reference?, like a Clock traceable to WWV's HP Atomic Clock."

Last time I checked, the Atomic Clock by HP will give very accurate results, but is not regulated for jitter. That's the inherent problem in converting Cesium streaming to other formats.

tonykaz's picture

You always seem smarter than me.

How'm I supposed to know about Cesium jitters?

I live in Fly-over country,

The god concept alone gives me the jitters, now I gotta worry about my clocks giving jitters.

Maybe I should return to my first love : Vodka

Tony in Michigan

Glotz's picture

Fo' sure. Great review and references, as I own many of the same Gabriel recordings referenced in the review. I really wish it had MQA.. but I am patient.

Might I make recommendation? Try Herbie's Audio Labs' products sandwiched between the rack shelves of your Target TT-5. I have, and for the absolute pittance in price, sooooo worth it. (Tens of dollars for the entire rack.. not hundreds.)

Platinum-cured silicone is really an amazing material for audio. Nothing like Sorbothane or other squishy products similar to that material. It actually 'de-couples' gear very well, and at a 1/100th of the cost of ball-bearing feet, etc. Their Grungebuster platter mat competes with the best mats out there, and is extremely reasonable in price as well. Any one using an acrylic platter should look into this product (if an aluminum platter is not financially feasible). I reeeeally want to see a turntable company use the products as a 'sandwich' filler some day.

Their website is 'meh', but it's about the products. (I have no relationship whatsoever with their company... just a customer.)

mrkaic's picture

...machine reviewed here. I was under the impression that this magazine has become a newsletter for the scientifically uneducated ruling class.

A few more reviews like this one and I will say "Bravo!"

tonykaz's picture

Good one, Mr. mrkaic !

mind if I borrow it, from time to time?

Tony in Michigan

ps. I might simplify it by say'n : Uneducated Ruling Class or Inherited Ruling Class. Either which way, I bow to your wisdoms.

mrkaic's picture

... is probably not a very common one and has nothing to do with politics and more with my perception of social power. For example, I think than rich anti vaxxers, clueless movie and music stars who pontificate about every moral panic they can think of (without having any scientific qualifications, of course), professional athletes, pundits and talking heads who talk about just any issue without ever doing any serious analytical work etc. are the true ruling class of today.

The Onion nailed this years ago: http://www.theonion.com/article/actual-expert-too-boring-for-tv-1764

But feel free to borrow the phrase, no problem.

tonykaz's picture

well,

I had to look up anti-vaxxers. ( my chiropractor is an anti-vaxxer, I'm not! ).

Tony in Michigan

low2midhifi's picture

I am a proud Arcam fan and loyal owner of the brand's products.

I am encouraged by the fact that the writer of this article saw fit to hook up this next generation Arcam DAC directly to his power amp. I am seeing more DAC/headphone Amps that allow a more budget-constrained consumer a quicker path to separates.

Keep making the hints. We'll keep taking them.

I have been an enthusiastic fan of Arcam DACs. I plan on continuing to purchase Arcam DACs. I do regret that they elected to discontinue the superb performance and portability of the r-Pac. The r-Pac has become "my stereo" (along with headphones) for most of the week.

There is one thing that I hope Arcam addresses. Perhaps they have addressed this issue. On the rDac, including two that I have owned, there is this strange clicking noise, and blanking out of the sound, when these devices are on certain outlets. This occurs through power strips where other electronics (TVs and audio gear) show no strange or similarly intermittent performance. A perusal of web postings shows that I am not the only reporter of this apparent defect of the rDac.

My dealer had to replace an rDac that had this problem. The replacement exhibits the behavior intermittently. I have learned to deal with it because, besides this problem, the rDac is a category-leading device.

I hope Arcam has fixed this. Perhaps we can get some Stereophile or manufacturer comments to this effect in this comments stream.

Besides this problem with the rDac, which I hope has not happened with successor models, Arcam is a superb brand offering great performance for the money (though I'm still to be sold on Class-G amplification).

wozwoz's picture

I cannot think of anything more inappropriate or off-putting in a high-end hi-fi product than the inclusion of wireless or Bluetooth. The very last thing I want in my personal musical sanctuary is to have my brain or body made the subject of unnecessary radiation that is known to damage DNA in scientific tests. And while Bluetooth is generally a low-strength power source, if it is close enough to your body, it has an effect, just like mobile phones or wi-fi routers. I don't use a Bluetooth mouse or keyboard for the same reason - they give me headaches / buzzing which I frankly don't need. Aside from the health reasons, why you would want your music compressed and distorted by low-res Bluetooth compression in a high-end hi-fi product is simply beyond belief, and serves to discredit both this product and its manufacturer.

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