Re-Tales #52: Help Wanted—at Hi-Fi Stores

Adam Wexler of Brooklyn dealership Resolution AV (right) with Stereophile Technical Editor John Atkinson (Photo: Ken Micallef)

The hi-fi industry is evidently experiencing a shortage—not of parts or materials as during COVID and just after, but of qualified salespeople. As this column has pointed out, some hi-fi shops have closed, for various reasons, while some new ones have opened. Meanwhile, not just dealers but also manufacturers and distributors have reported difficulty finding qualified salespeople. Michael Manousselis, president of Americas for Dynaudio, stated as much in emailed responses to my questions. "I have heard more from dealers having a hard time finding experienced salespeople, that is for sure," he said. "We've seen some hire former customers, to groom them for sales."

What's going on? If people are passionate about this hobby, wouldn't they jump at the chance to get more involved in it professionally?

Yes and no.

"Finding salespeople is becoming a big problem," Anthony Chiarella told me in a recent phone conversation. Chiarella owns and operates Specialty Sound and Vision, which provides hi-fi companies with marketing and dealer-related services. He also serves as director of sales and marketing for Gryphon Audio and Brinkmann Audio. "You can't find qualified people. You have dealers fighting over guys in their 70s to work as hi-fi people." He compared this sales staff shortage to a classic bumper sticker slogan: "No farms, no food." For hi-fi, he said, it could become "No salesmen, no stores."

Stores need salespeople to stay in business. Customers need places where they can see, hear, and talk about expensive hi-fi equipment before they buy it.

Rich Maez, president and founder of Monarch Systems Distribution in Colorado, shared similar stories in a recent phone conversation. One dealer nearing retirement, Maez told me, had been looking for more than two years for someone to help manage the store. He's still looking. Dealerships all over the country lack sufficient staff. "They might not be able to serve all of the customers that they've got because they just don't have the staff for it," he said.

Industry people I spoke with shared several reasons for dealers' hiring challenges. A career role in hi-fi retail could seem tenuous—and if in a store, temporary. "I think the general thought of retail in modern times is, it's a stopgap kind of employment; it's not something you stick with for 20 or 30 years," Maez said.

Hi-fi retail, though, isn't like working at a department store. "We need to be experts," said Chris Forman, junior partner at New York's Innovative Audio Video, which has been around for more than 50 years. "We are a different level of sales organization. We are trying to show people a level of professionalism and expertise that is much more bespoke, attentive."

There's an accurate perception, Chiarella said, that retail jobs don't pay well or have good benefits. He emphasized the need for the industry to find ways to entice people to choose hi-fi as a viable career. "If we're going to have a future in hi-fi, we have to make it worthwhile to make a career in hi-fi," Chiarella said.

Manousselis suggested that the hi-fi industry itself might bear some responsibility for staff shortages. "I would venture to guess that since a lot of the hi-fi trade was recruited from retailers, having a significantly reduced number of hi-fi retailers is surely making this more difficult for manufacturers and distributors, while it makes a career in hi-fi sales less compelling to a potential interested party, I'm sure."

Not all reports were grim. Adam Wexler, owner of Brooklyn dealership Resolution AV, told me in a phone conversation that he hired someone recently with about 20 years of experience. "You need goal-oriented people, which are sometimes hard to find," Wexler said.

Some industry sources maintain that a hi-fi career can be lucrative. "You can make a good living doing retail in the high-end audio industry," Maez said, "if you have the knowledge that goes with being able to sell it. But if you consider it a temporary occupation, you're never going to develop that kind of knowledge. Therefore, you're naturally going to limit yourself as far as what the longevity is in that position."

Another challenge is a lack of awareness—of not only the industry but also of career options within it. Maez pointed out that people were more familiar with hi-fi in the past: Older consumers often grew up with hi-fi systems at home, starting with a receiver, but home hi-fi is no longer culturally ubiquitous. Therefore, it's not an obvious career choice.

Selling hi-fi isn't for everyone, so what about engineering? That too may be lost to generational change. "There was a natural pathway for people who were engineers, to understand, 'Oh, I can get into this. This is something that I can do'," Maez said.

Elliot Fishkin, founder of Innovative Audio Video, pointed out that, unlike many specialized fields—law, medicine, finance, architecture, classical music—there is no "educational feeder system" from which to draw and develop talent. There are no industry-wide standards or accreditations.

"We don't have a common framework to know what's 'industry standard' for compensation packages, or even really how to judge someone's value," Fishkin said via email. "Every new hire brings some amount of risk." How quickly can they get up to speed and bring value—and be a good fit? "It's not about the risk of paying someone too much if they're successful."

Innovative told Stereophile that the dealership offers a livable salary, health coverage/benefits, and a 401(k) plan even for entry-level roles, plus incentives and bonuses.

Forman mentioned another cultural shift that's made hiring difficult: COVID-era changes in people's (remote) work habits and expectations. This led to changes in compensation value. "COVID changed the way people work or want to work. We had to pay them substantially more to come in," he said. "There isn't a critical mass of talent out there."

The hi-fi industry needs to find ways to recruit and retain staff—perhaps by putting more fun in the game. What can be done? How can the hi-fi business offer viable career paths? In an upcoming Re-Tales, we'll explore those ideas.

COMMENTS
CJeong's picture

that beard farming in Brooklyn is alive and well.

John Atkinson's picture
CJeong wrote:
Good to see that beard farming in Brooklyn is alive and well.

Ken's photo was taken in January. I have since trimmed my "Winter Beard." :-)

John Atkinson
Technical Editor, Stereophile

Beefdick Malone's picture

Has one gentleman in his late forties. He is the young guy! Every other salesman is over 55-60.
I have a hard time seeing where the next generation of Hifi salespeople will come from. A shame really.

rschryer's picture

...ain't old! It's at the tail-end of middle age.

Besides, maybe it takes a more mature mind to fully appreciate the pleasures of mindful listening. The lucky ones get there one day...

ChrisS's picture

...from my local brick-and-mortar stereo shop, none of the salespeople nor myself could lift it into my vehicle with our old and creaky backs! It took the shop accountant whose body had less wear and tear than ours to get the speaker into the boot of my SUV!

MLP's picture

A tiny sliver of young people are interested in the kind of room-sized listening systems sold in hifi stores. And, retail in general is short of competent sales people. And, brick and mortar ain't what it used to be.

The pity of it is that for instance in the case of full-range floor-standing speakers, it really helps to hear a few different options in a competently set-up retail store, and then choose what models interest you enough to try in-home. This is all but impossible via the phone or online.

The same is true if you're going for top-tier electronic components. They are often heavy/large and few if any online retailers will loan them out for home trial.

So this problem seems very real for the top end of things. As far as what most "civilians" buy for listening systems nowadays, the hifi store with a competent hifi salesperson has long been irrelevant.

stereostereo's picture

So many areas and types of businesses aren't what they used to be. That is why one must do things differently. I am having an event with a large group of young people who work for Meta. None of them have ever been to a store like mine. I have insisted that they bring their husbands, wives and friends. I will talk about Bluetooth technology. Why we use Qobuz here and not Spotify. Have fun. Eat pizza and drink wine together. And listen to music in a relaxed beautiful environment. My store is certainly not irrelevant. It is thriving.

Glotz's picture

You can order any equipment, pay for it and return it if you don't like it. THAT is home audition. They ALL offer return policies for serious buyers. That process really is necessary to see if you are serious as a buyer in general or if you are just having fun trying to start a new, worthless youtube channel.

supamark's picture

A tiny sliver of people, say 1% of the worlds population, is still over 80 million people, and 1% of that is about 1 million. That's plenty for a niche market like hi-fi.

The store I got hired at all of two days ago sells speakers from $600 (floor standers under $1k) to $300,000 so if you want good sound you can get it for an inflation adjusted reasonable price. Or go big.

The main impediment for younger people getting big room filling sound is the fact that far too many cannot afford to buy a house in which to put that room filling (and apartment neighbor annoying) sound. There will soon be a huge generational transfer of wealth to younger Gen X and Millenials as the Baby Boomers pass away and that will be some interesting economic times for sure.

Home theater and custom install is a huge part of most store's business these days. Everything from a small gaming setup (quite popular) to full blown Atmos home theaters. As the store owner who also replied to you said, business is actually good. We'll see what the idiotic tariffs imposed by the idiot in chief do. He's already f'ing with my money with this crap, thankfully my money manager and I saw it coming and adjusted my portfolio but nowhere is totally safe when rage, revenge, and dementia are in charge.

Young people interested in great sound (and there really are a lot of them) are mostly going the headphone route since you can get amazing sound for a lot less money and they don't bother their roommates/neighbors (or can tune them out). Simply because Apple decided to offer a crappy version of Atmos on their music service, labels are busy having all the back catalog that was popular and still exists remixed in Atmos (not all mutli-tracks of popular music still exist, thanks Universal for not properly securing your masters. A-holes).

deckeda's picture

... and after about 3 years was fired because I sucked at sales. I was crushed, but I should have known better. Hell of a lesson to learn.

I had everything else, the expertise, the passion, was easy to get along with. I had just achieved a 4 year degree and the only thing I wanted to do was sell stereos, none of which required higher ed at all. That probably should have been my clue.

But I lacked a salesperson's drive, and let me tell you, that's a very separate thing.

The irony is that I went to another company, selling discount (cheaper) electronics and found my selling mojo. Success isn't about the gear the store carries, it's the story, it's the rhythm, it's the pattern and the plan you execute.

Glotz's picture

It must've been a high-pressure audio retailer you worked for. I find that in a consultative retail environment, it's far better to plant seeds and work with your customers long-term goals than shove your needs down their throat with a quick sale. I know there are unscrupulous used retailers out there where the only thing they are concerned with is taking orders and getting onto the next sale.

I REALLY do not believe that is the right way to sell high-end audio, despite whatever volume the company is foisting on its salespeople. I think it's far more preferable to build a relationship over time where the discerning audiophile finally trusts you. I've seen it in audio retailers for decades. The alternative is destined for failure.

And in fact, I am confused by your perception of drive and passion. In audio, passion is drive. You love hobby and want to inspire others to buy- but for their love and passion, not for a sale. Were you making commissions or salary? Were you a long-term audiophile or a newbie with no collective knowledge? I would think the great money you were making selling expensive high-end audio would have driven you hard to make even more money. How can you suck at sales when you have expertise? (And really how much expertise do you have in your early 20's, fresh out of college??) Very confused by your experience.

Glotz's picture

Is you found your selling mojo working for another firm but you 'suck at selling'? Huh?

Can you please elaborate what your audio employer took issue with you?

zipzimzap's picture

The good salespeople do 'reviews' on youtube now

jond's picture

I love hifi and I am in sales could be a nice way to spend my retirement years.

supamark's picture

This literally just happened to me (I retired fairly young). Today, like 2 hours ago. I went by my local store because one of them had forgotten his drill at my place after delivering my speakers yesterday. I dropped off the drill and the owner's like, "hey, you got a minute?" We talked and now I have a part time job - and *I'm* the old guy (they're both in their 40's) but I can still hear to about 16ish kHz. Earplugs, wear 'em!

The discussions had been happening for a few months, so not out of the blue but not what I was expecting when I went to drop off the drill.

Glotz's picture

I've been a Stereophile-bred audiophile and a tech salesperson for over 40 years and would love to sell audio. I have also sold phono gear for Jerry Raskin's Needle Doctor for a few years in the 90's. Knowing what customers want at any age level is much easier now, IMO. I could and would relocate most anywhere in the US.

sharon's picture

In the seventies, I sold retail and did set-ups with a local dealer that carried: Audio Research, GAS, Magnepan, Linn, Oracle, Dahlquist, Sonus, Koestu among others. I have tried to find a part-time job now that I have retired and most of the remaining brick and mortar locations are just "mom and pop" operations that don't even provide repair services.
If anyone is interested in interviewing me please respond. :)
sharon.hemphill@yahoo.com

Allen Fant's picture

An excellent article- JA.
Our hobby needs more Audio Shops with repair/service Technicians as well.
There is a plethora of used Gear in the secondary marketplace. The CD, DVD, and LP will never go away. And this is a very good thing.

Happy Listening!
-JA3

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