Western Electric Type No.91E integrated amplifier Measurements

Sidebar 3: Measurements

I performed the measurements of the Western Electric 91E with my Audio Precision SYS2722 system. I carefully installed the tubes following the instructions in the excellent manual, and after turning on the amplifier, waited for the 91E to optimize the bias for the 300B output tubes. Once that was done, I waited another 30 minutes before starting the testing.

The Western Electric 91E preserved absolute polarity, ie, was noninverting, from its loudspeaker, preamplifier, and headphone outputs. The volume control operated in accurate 0.5dB steps. A level of 1Wpc into 8 ohms was indicated as approximately –12dB on the front-panel meters. The maximum voltage gain at 1kHz was a fairly low 29.6dB measured at the loudspeaker output into 8 ohms, 19.7dB from the headphone output, and –0.01dB from the preamplifier output, ie, an input of 1V resulted in an output of 998.5mV. The single-ended input impedance is specified as 20k ohms. I measured an inconsequentially lower value of 16.5k ohms at 20Hz and 1kHz, 15.5k ohms at 20kHz.

The headphone output's source impedance was a relatively high 113 ohms across the audioband, which won't be optimal for low-impedance headphones. The loudspeaker output impedance was a high 3.3 ohms at 20Hz, falling slightly to 2.57 ohms at 1kHz and 20kHz. The variation in the Western Electric amplifier's small-signal frequency response with our standard simulated loudspeaker (fig.1, gray trace) was ±1.4dB, which would be audible. Into resistive loads (fig.1, blue, red, cyan, magenta, and green traces), the VTA-70 started to roll off above 10kHz, reaching –3dB at 35kHz. Fig.1 was taken with the volume control set to its maximum; the excellent channel matching was preserved at lower settings of the control. The 91E's reproduction of a 1kHz squarewave into 8 ohms (fig.2) was superbly square. The ultrasonic rolloff lengthened the risetimes of a 10kHz squarewave (fig.3), though no overshoot or ringing is present.

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Fig.1 Western Electric 91E, frequency response at 2.83V into: simulated loudspeaker load (gray), 8 ohms (left channel blue, right red), 4 ohms (left cyan, right magenta), and 2 ohms (green) (1dB/vertical div.).

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Fig.2 Western Electric 91E, small-signal 1kHz squarewave into 8 ohms.

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Fig.3 Western Electric 91E, small-signal 10kHz squarewave into 8 ohms.

The 91E's channel separation (not shown) was >60dB in both directions below 2kHz but decreased to 40dB at 20kHz. The unweighted, wideband signal/noise ratio (ref.1W into 8 ohms), taken with the input shorted to ground and the volume control set to its maximum, was a good 79.7dB (average of the two channels). This ratio improved to 86.1dB when the measurement bandwidth was restricted to 22Hz–22kHz, and to 90.6dB when A-weighted. Spectral analysis of the low-frequency noisefloor while the Western Electric amplifier drove a 1kHz tone at 1Wpc into 8 ohms with the volume control set to maximum (fig.4, blue and red traces) revealed a low level of random noise, and the AC-related spuriae at 60Hz and its odd- and even-order harmonics lay at or below –90dB.

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Fig.4 Western Electric 91E, spectrum of 1kHz sinewave, DC–1kHz, at 1Wpc into 8 ohms with volume control set to its maximum (left channel blue, right red) (linear frequency scale).

Western Electric specifies the 91E's maximum power into 8 ohms as 20Wpc (15.44dBW) at 10% THD, 16Wpc (12dBW) at 5% THD, and 14Wpc (11.46dBW) at 3% THD (footnote 1). With our usual definition of clipping—when the THD+noise reaches 1%—and with both channels driven, I measured a clipping power of just 1.8Wpc into 8 ohms (2.55dBW, fig.5). At 3% THD+N, I measured 9.23Wpc (9.65dBW), and at 10%, 12.8Wpc (11dBW). Slightly more power was available into 4 ohms (fig.6): 4.8Wpc (3.8dBW) at 1% THD+N; 10Wpc (7dBW) at 3% THD+N; and 14Wpc (8.45dBW) at 10% THD+N. The shape of the traces in these graphs suggests that the amplifier uses a very limited amount of loop negative feedback.

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Fig.5 Western Electric 91E, distortion (%) vs 1kHz continuous output power into 8 ohms.

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Fig.6 Western Electric 91E, distortion (%) vs 1kHz continuous output power into 4 ohms.

Fig.7 shows how the percentage of THD+N in both channels varied with frequency into 8 and 4 ohms at 1V. The THD+N rose slightly at the frequency extremes and was higher in the left channel into 8 ohms (blue trace) but in the right channel into 4 ohms (gray trace). At 2.83V, which is equivalent to 1W into 8 ohms (fig.8), the distortion was close to 1% in both channels.

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Fig.7 Western Electric 91E, THD+N (%) vs frequency at 1V into: 8 ohms (left channel blue, right red), 4 ohms (left green, right gray).

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Fig.8 Western Electric 91E, THD+N (%) vs frequency at 2.83V into: 8 ohms (left channel blue, right red), 4 ohms (left green, right gray).

Fortunately, the distortion waveform (fig.9) was predominantly the subjectively innocuous second harmonic (footnote 2), at 0.8%. The third harmonic was also present, albeit at a lower level, especially into 4 ohms (fig.10). By themselves, the second and third harmonics may not result in audible distortion, even at relatively high levels. However, this will only be true if they are not accompanied by intermodulation distortion. With the 91E driving an equal mix of 19 and 20kHz tones at 1Wpc peak into 4 ohms (fig.11), the 1kHz difference product lay at –50dB (0.3%), with the higher-order products at 18 and 21kHz 10dB lower in level. These products were all 5dB higher in level at 1W into 8 ohms (not shown), which experience leads me to believe is marginal performance. It is fair to note, however, that this level of intermodulation is identical to that of the Air Tight ATM-300R power amplifier that Art Dudley favorably reviewed in February 2019 (footnote 3), which also used a single 300B tube for each channel's output.

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Fig.9 Western Electric 91E, left channel, 1kHz waveform at 1W into 8 ohms, 0.8% THD+N (top); distortion and noise waveform with fundamental notched out (bottom, not to scale).

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Fig.10 Western Electric 91E, spectrum of 50Hz sinewave, DC–1kHz, at 1Wpc into 4 ohms (left channel blue, right red; linear frequency scale).

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Fig.11 Western Electric 91E, HF intermodulation spectrum, DC–30kHz, 19+20kHz at 1Wpc peak into 4 ohms (left channel blue, right red; linear frequency scale).

To examine the behavior of the Western Electric's phono input, I connected a wire from the Audio Precision's ground terminal to the grounding lug on the rear panel, to obtain the lowest noise. The phono input inverted absolute polarity at all the outputs. I measured a maximum gain at 1kHz at the loudspeaker outputs of 71.5dB (MM) and 82.1dB (MC). I performed all the subsequent testing using the headphone output and with the volume control set to –9.5dB, to avoid overloading the tubed output stage. (Inserting a plug into the headphone jack mutes the speaker outputs.) I repeated some of the testing at the preamplifier output.

The input impedance was 42k ohms at 20Hz and 1kHz, 34.3k ohms at 20kHz (MM) and 993 ohms at 20Hz, 979 ohms at 1kHz, 968 ohms at 20kHz (MC). The phono input's RIAA error was very low, with very good channel matching (fig.12), though the low and high frequencies rolled off a little, reaching –1dB at 35Hz and 20kHz. Set to MM, the wideband, unweighted S/N ratio with the inputs shorted to ground and the volume control set to the maximum was a good 67dB (average of both channels), ref. 1kHz at 5mV. Restricting the measurement bandwidth to the audioband increased the ratio to 79.7dB, while an A-weighting filter further increased the ratio to 84.2dB. The S/N ratios in MC mode were 10–12dB lower, but this is still a relatively quiet phono stage.

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Fig.12 Western Electric 91E, phono input, response with RIAA correction (left channel blue, right red) (1dB/vertical div.).

The phono input, measured at the headphone output, had high levels of distortion, with the second harmonic the highest in level at –44dB (0.6%, fig.13) with an input signal of 5mV. The harmonic distortion signature is very similar to that measured at the loudspeaker outputs, which makes me suspect that the headphone output is derived from the single-ended tubed output stage, most likely with a series resistor. I therefore repeated the spectral analysis at the preamplifier output (fig.14). Though high-order harmonics are visible, these all lie at or below –90dB (0.003%), and the second harmonic is now almost 50dB lower than it had been from the headphone output.

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Fig.13 Western Electric 91E, MM phono input, spectrum of 1kHz sinewave, DC–10kHz, for 5mV input, measured at headphone output (left channel blue, right red, linear frequency scale).

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Fig.14 Western Electric 91E, MM phono input, spectrum of 1kHz sinewave, DC–10kHz, for 5mV input, measured at Preamplifier output (left channel blue, right red, linear frequency scale).

The high level of second harmonic distortion present in the headphone output affected the overload margin measurements. In MM mode, the margins, calculated from the difference between the nominal 1kHz input level of 5mV and the input voltage where the THD+N reached 1%, were disappointing, at 3.4dB at 20Hz, 4.2dB at 1kHz, and –8.4dB at 20kHz. The margins in MC mode, ref. 1kHz at 0.5mV, were all 0.5dB lower. However, repeating the overload margin measurements at the preamplifier output gave an 8dB improvement at 20Hz and 1kHz in both MM and MC mode, though the margins at 20kHz were still low.

The Western Electric 91E is an intriguing mix of modern technology—the computer-optimized tube biasing, the precision volume control, the front-panel meters—and almost-century-old tube technology. Its measured performance is what I would expect from an amplifier with a single-ended output stage that uses a single 300B tube. Given its high levels of both harmonic and intermodulation distortion, even at lowish powers, it will work best with loudspeakers that have a 4 ohm nominal impedance and high sensitivity.—John Atkinson


Footnote 1: Kudos to Western Electric for reporting the THD level at which maximum output power is measured.—Jim Austin

Footnote 2: I created tracks on Stereophile's Test CD 2 so listeners could hear at what percentage of second, third, or seventh harmonic they become aware of the distortion. See stereophile.com/content/istereophileis-test-cd-2-tracks-20-26.

Footnote 3: See fig.14 here.

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JRT's picture

I think that this should be mentioned as eventual replacement of the tubes is part of the expenses in using the tube amplifier (and the life might be shortened by operation in class A2).

The prices direct from Western Electric for new 300B triodes are currently, $699 each for a single (1) tube, $1499 for a matched pair (2), and $3099 for a matched quad (4). This amplifier uses either two single tubes (unmatched) or a matched pair. The latter would cost $101 more, but might offer better measured performance, perhaps also audible.

JRT's picture

When the preamplifier portion eventually fails, and if repair is impracticable (perhaps some future capacitor leakage destroys an internal layer on the circuit board, or a monolythic integrated circuit fails after it has gone obsolete, out of production, out of support, becoming too difficult to source a replacement component to feasably effect a good repair), then the separate preamplifier could become dumpster fodder while the tube amplifier(s) continue a very long useful life needing occasional replacements of tubes and perhaps also capacitors.

Integrating the components saves build costs (reduces number of separate enclosures, reduces assembly labor, reduces packaging, perhaps also reduces number of separate internal power supplies, etc.). I would argue that it does not save any footprint because a matching separate stereo preamplifier could be designed to stack under the separate stereo tube amplifier. But these are not separated, and I would suggest that the integration is almost all about cost reduction, and in this $15k price level, there should be more than enough budget to avoid the real compromise of excessive integration and the reduction in system flexibility and the reduction in system reliability which both result from that compromise. There should be more than enough in that budget to afford separate components.

JHL's picture

Simply breathtaking. Any passing knowledge of super-triode amps shows this item to be absolutely top-shelf. Thank you for covering it.

(But tubes wear out omg and it just must be a two-piece sez JRT, lol)

Jack L's picture

Hi

"Super triode" topology is a totally 'revolutionary' audio amp design using a triode as active negative feedback device from the plate (P) of the output power tube to its grid, claimed to improve the linearity of the power tube, hence better sound. This topology was invented by Shin-ichi Kamijo, a DIYer of Japan some 30 years back.

I doubt very much such "super triode connection" (STC) topology ever employed by any brandname amps.

Or you mean something else ?

Jack L

JRT's picture

Some decades ago, while designing toroid output transformers for Plitron, Menno van der Veen published at least one whitepaper that included information on his "Super Triode", and he trademarked the phrase. And his is different from Shinichi Kamijo's "Super Triode Connection".

It is described in the paper at the link at the bottom of this post. In that paper, see circuit 7 in figure 1, which is similar to Ultralinear, except with the addition of separate cathode feedback windings (aka cathode feedback tapes) connected to the cathodes with phase such that the cathodes receive negative feedback from the output transformer.

https://pearl-hifi.com/06_Lit_Archive/14_Books_Tech_Papers/Van_der_Veen_Menno/New_Push-Pull_Tube_Amps_Orig.pdf

Jack L's picture

Hi

What are Plitron toroidal transformers to do with "Super triode"???

Triode is a glass tube & transformer is a solid metal impedance converter ???

What is the logics there ?

Jack L

ejlif's picture

whenever I read about tube amps that have all the slam and bass of solid state my thought is why not just get solid state then? I like a tube amp because it sounds that way. I would be interested to compare this amp to the Feliks Arioso 300B. I have that amp and the Decware Zen triode. The Feliks is no wimp and I would say it probably sounds a little bit like solid state in some ways even. To me if you want a tube amp you want zero listening fatigue. To me that is what the hassle of tubes is all about. What you say about the Shindo stuff that sounds very intriguing.

Jack L's picture

Hi

It depends on the design, my friend.

My design/built power amps sound fast, punchy & see thru-transparent like a quality SS amp, yet retain tube's melodic & emotional sonics that SS lacks !

Listening to triodes is believing

Jack L

remlab's picture

..would probably match nicely with these

JRT's picture

... Musical Fidelity 750K Supercharger monoblock power amplifiers (circa 2008). Those booster amplifiers are designed to provide a benign load impedance while also boosting power output to something capable of driving conventional loudspeakers to usable SPLs at usable propagation distances with unclipped signal crests (clipping does not sound good, regardless the technology used to provide signal gain), and with low enough nonlinearity such that the nonlinearities of the tube amplifier dominate the sonic character of the signal gain.

JA1 reviewed a pair:
https://www.stereophile.com/solidpoweramps/1208mf/index.html

Jack L's picture

Hi

Yes, that why trioide sounds better than another other active devcies like pentodes, tetrodes, & all bipolar junction devices, e.g. transistors, FETs, op-amps. Only triodes get truly linear signal transfer curves vs kinked/kneed transfer curves of all other devices.

My skeptical ears hear the sonic difference particularly at high climax volumes !!!

Listening to triode is believing

Jack L

Jack L's picture

Hi

Nope, it is not the "booster amps" "to provide benign load impedance" for driving louspeakers.

It is the "booster amps" should be designed enough to handle the roller-coasting 'hostile' load impedance (R+C+L) of any loudspeakers.

The bench test data provided by most, if not all, brandname amps has been based on resistive dummy loads instead of a loudspeakers since day one decades back.

The Sterophile lab bench-tests any amps under review using simulated loudspeaker loads instead of resistive dummy load, providing measureed data more realistic to the realworld situation.

Jack L

JRT's picture

The SET amplifier is not load invariant, operates with better linearity if driving a benign constant resistive load impedance. The input to the booster amplifier provides a benign constant resistive load impedance to the SET amplifier driving it.

The output of the booster amplifier drives the loudspeaker and is much more nearly invariant to the load presented by the loudspeaker, if operated within the design limits of the booster amplifier.

Jack L's picture

Hi

First off, why NEED a "booster amp" for a SET amp ????

I doubt very much you have auditioned in depth the sonic quality of a SET - melodic & emotional music quality that noooo other tube & SS output power stage designs can match !!!!!

We are talking music QUALITY not quantity, OK ???

So why add a booster amp to ruin the musicality of a SET ? What is your logics ?????

Adding a booster amp to the loudspeaker output of the SET just amplify the SET/programme sources harmonic, phase distortion & noise level. You are opening a hugh can of worms, pal !

So why bother to go for a SET in the first place? Just get a tube power amp with pentode push-pull power stage to deliver much higher power to push your loudspeakers instead.

Sorry, I don't think you appreciate the distinct musicality of a SET at all !!!!

Technically, you think the 8-ohm loudspeaker output of the WE300B SET would be happy to load a typical 50K-100KR input of a booster amp ???? FYI, the best coupling impedance ratio should be 1:10, OK !

Back to the booster power amp, tube or SS respective, it still has to work with the ever-changing complex impedance (C+L+R) of any loudspeakers hooked up to it. Same destiny of a SET! So what if it were operated "within the bench-tested design limits of the booser amp" ????

Good fascination ! Please get real !

Listening to SET is believing

Jack L

Jack L's picture

Hi

Yes, "loop negative feedback" should be not be used in any amps, including phono RIAA EQ, & power amps for best sound.

K. Micallef quoted "91E has zero negative feedback both local & global".

So is there actually any loop NFB in this amp at all per yr captioned quote ?

Jack L

directdriver's picture

"The Western Electric division's own creations include the Orthophonic phonograph, the Westrex cutting-lathe system, the 300B vacuum tube, considered by many the greatest triode power tube ever made, and the 1936 WE 91A single-ended triode (SET) integrated amplifier, which powered cinema systems across the country."

The original WE 91A, I believe, was used as a monitor amp for the projectionist to hear what's playing in the theatre while he's in the projectionist booth. The 91A was not intended to drive speakers for the movie audience.

Jack L's picture

Hi

Agreed.

In 1940 cinema era in USA, the cinema/auditorium loudspeakers started to use the then newly invented efficient permanent magnet: "Alneco" in the speaker unit drivers.

The tube amps also started to use the then newly developed power tubes, e.g. KT66 & 6L6 in 4-6 parallel push-pull configuration to provide up to 40-60 watt "hugh" power for all cinema/auditorium sound systems across the country.

No way WE91A low output power was powerful enough to drive the cinema sound systems back then.

Jack L

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