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Far cheaper, far better.
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After Stromtank's remote diagnostic and repair procedure failed, Stromtank Chief Engineer/founder Wolfgang Meletzky left Berlin for a previously scheduled visit to D'Agostino headquarters in Arizona. Tests there revealed that Stromtank and this D'Agostino preamp mated perfectly, without generating hum, buzz, pulse, or anything else. With fingers now pointing at the preamp as perhaps defective, I returned it to D'Agostino HQ for a thorough going over. It and a different Stromtank S 2500 Quantum MK II mated perfectly, in blissful silence.
At that point, the two companies arrived at independent decisions. Stromtank decided to send me an S-4000 ProPower MK II so that I could try using it to power everything in my system, including the mono amplifiers, and report my findings in Stereophile. D'Agostino explained that because a replacement for the Momentum HD preamp was in the worksin the form of the Momentum C2, which was introduced at Munich High End 2024it made no sense to send the Momentum HD back to me.
Instead, D'Agostino President Bill McKiegan asked if I might be interested in writing the first US review of the top-line, three-piece, fully balanced D'Agostino Relentless preamplifier ($149,500, plus $19,500 for the optional digital streaming module), which since its 2021 introduction had only received a single review, in Europe.
Me, review a $150,000 preamp? This was not a kid in a candy storescale event. This was a kid let loose in a big-assed candy factoryscale event.
My glucose levels spiked. Questions whirled. What new virtues might a cost-no-object, presumably state-of-the-art preamplifier bring to my reference system? Would images be more corporeal? Would the soundstage be wider and deeper, tonal colors more intense? Would bassalready fabulousbe even more solid? Would the Relentless preamp move me closer to a premium-seat-in-a-live-concert experience?
Or would all those possible pluses (and others)assuming they deliveredbe outweighed by previously unperceived weaknesses in my system, now exposed in the blindingly bright light of $149,500 worth of resolution and transparency?
And so began the review. As typically happens with exciting new components, work and fun vied for supremacy until everything was tuned, until I felt the relief that comes from knowing my reference system was passing on sonic dividendswhether all or only some of what the new component offers remains, as always, impossible to know.
What do you get for $149,500? Part 1
The Relentless preamp comes with some intangibles that one cannot count on in high-end hi-fi: a well-designed webpage and a readable, information-packed manual. From these resources, I learned that the Relentless preamplifier's heavily shielded power supply is housed in its own chassis, which is intended to sit between the boxes housing the two audio channels. I learned that the power supply incorporates "internal line conditioning circuitry [that] filters RF noise on the AC power and compensates for asymmetric power waveforms and DC on the mains." Two 150VA toroidal transformers supply power, one to the analog circuitry, the other to the digital and control circuitry.
"These transformers drive an 8A bridge rectifier and 26,400µF of filter capacitance," the D'Agostino website states. The company claims the Relentless preamplifier has "nearly as much power supply capability as many power amplifiers."
A "novel" discrete, differential FET input stage can handle a 30V input signalcompare to the "Red Book" CD full-scale output voltage of 2Vand has an input impedance exceeding 1M ohm. D'Agostino boasts about the preamp's "consistent bias," said to maintain sound quality regardless of component temperature, and "a nearly 30-fold improvement in linearity over conventional designs," which I translate as "big reduction in distortion." The Relentless utilizes four-layer circuit boards, careful segregation of analog circuitry, digital circuitry, and ground planes, and hermetically sealed relays with gold-plated contacts. The signal path is "fully complementary and balanced from the input to the output." The frequency response remains flat up to 120kHz, D'Agostino insists.
The Relentless is the first D'Agostino preamplifier to offer a Digital Streaming Module (DSM), which is to say, a built-in DAC with streaming capability. The DSM is optional of course, and field upgradable. I received it after this review was complete; I will evaluate it in a follow-up review.
The DSM supports PCM up to 32/384 (including MQA) and DSD up to DSD256, both decoded natively. Tidal, Qobuz, and Spotify streaming are supported, and the unit is Roon Ready. It's controlled by an iOS app. (There is no Android app, apparently, at least for now.) The DSM includes S/PDIF coaxial and optical (TosLink), USB-B, Ethernet, and Wi-Fi inputs. When installed, the DSM lives in the power supply chassis, which keeps it away from low-level preamp circuitry.
D'Agostino Master Systems states that "each volume control is constructed using 14 separate metal components [to ensure] the smoothest response and control of the military-grade, high-linearity solid-state switches and discrete precision resistors employed in the volume circuit. There's a different resistor for each volume position, with resistors matched for left and right channels. The bandwidth and transient response of the Relentless Preamplifier is completely unaffected by the volume setting." This point was reiterated later: The volume control has no sweet spot. Speaking of which, the volume control knobs are the smoothest I've ever turned.
Input three can be configured as a theater bypass, allowing a connected surround-sound processor to control the volume of the main speakers. There's an RS-232 control output and a 12V trigger. The power supply has extra DC outputs for some future product, plus two programming ports for future options.
Part 2: Cabinet and remote
On each side of the easy-to-read volume readout in the center of the power supply module's front panel are, on the left side, five buttons: Standby/Power On, Mute, Polarity, Zone 1, and Zone 2yes, this a two-zone preamplifier, with independent inputs and outputs. On the right are five source-selector buttons, labeled One through Five. It is possible to play the same source to both zones simultaneously, or to play different sources to each zone. In this case, the two volume controls operate independently, one for each zone.
On each preamp's rear panel are five inputs (XLR only), two Zone 1 outputs (both XLR), and one Zone 2 output. The rear panel also includes an IEC power input, an on/off switch, a serial number platethe usual stuff.
The Relentless preamp's rechargeable, volume-knobshaped remote control is, or was, a huge, weighty affairit would make an effective weapon if hurled or catapulted. I won't discuss it further because there's now a new version, which was almost ready to ship when I submitted this review.
Part 3: Talking the walk
Toward the end of a Zoom interview that included the man himselfChief Designer and cofounder (with Petra D'Agostino) Dan D'AgostinoMcKiegan, and Vice President of Engineering Burhan Coskun, Coskun outlined what he considered most important about the Relentless preamp's design and dividends:
1. The Relentless has ultralow distortion and operates discretely to ensure exceptional performance and stability across various system configurations.
2. Each channel has its own power transformer. Audio signals and power travel through gold pins embedded in the feet of the top and middle chassis.
3. The noisefloor is extremely low, and the dynamic range is wide.
4. All this adds up to a transparent soundstage with exceptional detail and resolution.
There's more to say, and far more was said before that summary arrived. According to Dan, the Relentless is something totally new and different for D'Agostino. My reference Momentum HD preamplifier "has almost nothing to do technically with the Relentless preamplifier. Nonetheless, the ideas that we learned while designing the HD spurred us to design the Relentless." The difference between the two is "all about how much space you like and how much information you like that's way down in the black part of the audioband.
"I don't know about you, but I want to hear the fine-grained detail that's way down there that most equipment doesn't reveal, particularly if you run a DAC right into the amplifier. I want to hear everything. If there's dirt in the background, if there's hum in the background, if there's somebody scraping their feet in the other room, I want to hear all that. Because in real-life music-making, that's a part of the feeling. Totally. In addition, don't you want your soundstage to be as big as an orchestra's?"
I asked D'Agostino to explain the implications of each of the technical advances he'd incorporated into the preamp. He replied, "I react to differences in sound. When I had Krell, I reacted to differences in technology; this company is based in sound only, and sometimes technology advances our quest.
"If an electrical improvement doesn't translate into better sound, we don't use it. Even if it's the greatest advancement since sliced bread, it's not going in the unit if it doesn't sound better. Burhan has been with me for almost six years, and his audio knowledge comes directly from me. He's grown into a really good audio designer. He knows that when we listen to something, I can grow impatient, because from the first note, I know if the design is good or bad. Together, we bounce ideas back and forth and make something that sounds better."
Some of D'Agostino's circuits, including those in the Relentless amplifier, are based in other technological realms"in measurement and instrumentation amplifiers that have nothing to do with audio," Dan said. "The whole front end is based on that. Once we adapted the technology to work in audioit took a year before we even considered putting it into productionit sounded amazing. In developing the Relentless preamp, we took what we learned from experimentation and pushed it as far as we could push it. I'm not gonna tell you that in a year or two years that we might not say, hey, wow, I see something better. But right now, at this juncture in my life, I don't think we can make anything better."
McKiegan noted that a preamp's three primary signal circuitry functions are its input stage, volume control stage, and output stage. The Progression preamplifier handles those functions with two boards. The just-discontinued Momentum HD preamp used six boards, three for the left channel and three for the right.
The Relentless also uses three boards per channel, but there is a completely separate section for its Zone 2 preamplifier. That makes 12 boards total, plus additional boards for purposes other than carrying signal.
"As the real estate gets larger, there's more availability for circuit sophistication," McKiegan said. "As we climb the ladder, each step allows for the greater audio technology that the guys are able to put in the boxes. In the Relentless, all sections within each chassis are on separate boards and platforms. In addition, the entire digital control module, volume control, logic boardall that stuffare in the center box, and audio signals are isolated from other signals. In every respect, there's so much more isolation."
"Bigger transformers create less circuit noise because their cores do not radiate the noise that smaller transformers do when pushed close to their limits," D'Agostino explained. "In preamps, the purpose of bigger transformers is not to create more power; instead, they run cooler and wider with less noise." The Relentless has separate transformers for the digital/control and analog signal circuitry.
When it comes to power products, accessories, and tweaks, every designer I've encountered has a bottom-line belief system. I hear benefits from Wilson Audio Pedestals and HRS vibration control devices, but Dan D'Agostino is of a different mindset. "I know a lot of people talk about vibration in audio products, and you see those ridiculous bricks sitting on top of somebody's product," he said. "We design our products so that vibration is not really going to affect them at all. If a product needs those things, then the designer didn't really do a good job in the beginning."
Far cheaper, far better.
https://www.stereophile.com/content/topping-pre90-line-preamplifier-measurements
you're reading measurements and not listening to music. How is it far better? It's less money and you get what you pay for in this case. Explain your inane comment. But if you havent listened to them together don't bother. If you havent listened to them in a system like JVS's how do you make a comment like that ? You're just regurgitating cheapskate budget seeking bullshit. The Topping may be a nicely engineered component and a bargain but it's not a comparison. Grow up already. Get a job.
I have been reading Stereophile for many years now. I like the fact that Stereophile always combines hard measurement with soft opinions. The Topping Pre90 line preamplifier is a paradigm shifting piece of equipment. It was at the time of Jan 2022 tested and compared to the $17.5K Pass Laboratories XP-32 line preamplifier ... the conclusion on comparison became philosophical <=> "My dominant left hemisphere says that the Pre90 is more literal and therefore more honest; it argues that the XP-32 is adding something. My right hemisphere maintains that the XP-32 simply sounds better, whatever that means". And to me it brings this conclusion ... yes it is indeed a comparison ... the topping may be not as good; but it makes a $150K pre-amp look silly.
Unless one hears this preamp in the context of an ultra-expensive system, that comparison to the Topping is silly. The owner would be buying other components that are on that level, with the high-level of parts going into each one of those components- not just one.
The shortcomings of the Topping would come to the fore, as in say for example, the Benchmark LA4 pre that JVS used as a comparison in past years (to an MBL Preamp).
In terms of Value, sure- they have found the low-labor cost, large scale of execution, major distribution models for them enable great design and great value products. Awesome- for more people!
One could argue against the Pass as well for the exact same reasons. The parts quality of the Pass or the D'Agostino would be overkill for an all Topping system. And one would be missing some information that the Pass and D'Agostino pass through- measurements be damned. (Measurements Still do not tell the full sound signature. Sorry!)
Better parts do equal better sound, if one looks at a singular design of the Topping preamp's design. I guarantee you that the Topping could be made way better for another $1k, but they sell more at this price point because the intersection of value is greatest here. The law of diminishing returns kicks in beyond this price point for them. For Pass, is it exponentially higher, and even way higher for the Relentless.
To imply that Relentless doesn't have all of the last 40 years of Krell and D'Agostino's brilliance and authority of a GOAT in the industry- one hasn't been paying attention- to this magazine's reviews or heard it for themselves. To those that have, D'Agostino deserves respect.
Although I have taken some umbrage at some high-cost items in reviews, this won't be one of them. For an industry vet like Dan, who unabashedly positioned this company specifically to capture that market and to try to build his statement piece, I will enjoy reading that kind of review. It should also be obvious that few audiophiles are well-heeled enough to treat a dedicated room to 5 dedicated circuits, set a system up for optimum power distribution and have the other requisite equipment on hand suitable to evaluate such a component. I have to give kudos to JVS for his efforts. As an ultra-high-end component reviewer, you have done what is I think necessary to properly compare this level of product. So, thank you for that. Few of us will ever be able to hear this in-home, in a good room and one that has been tweaked for optimum playback. This is the kind of aspirational review that feels good. Everyone that listened got their own thrill.
With all that said, I sure would like to see the Holo Serene on the test bench and in that room for a listening comparison... Just how good could a $3k hand-built and tuned preamp with it's own FET Class-A design philosophy with a relay-based volume control sound? So there's your challenge. Cost-no-object products should sound better than everything else. But just how close can the mortals really get?
I still dream of her in the middle of the night. She will be mine... one day!
(Mrs. HP A. Benchmark glares back at me for my disloyal feelings!)
mu wife said, "It looks like jewelry".
So true, and nice jewelry is expensive.
For a $150K preamp, I'm really underwhelmed by the use of a resistor-based volume control. Top-end pre should use TVC or AVC or LDR, perhaps mixed with a bit of digital attenuation at the DAC stage. Look at the Nagra preamps, for example. I would not want to look inside a pricey pre and find a cheap Blue Velvet. (not that there's anything wrong with an ol' Blue Velvet!)
Also, I don't understand these multi-chassis designs. They should be connected with solder, not umbilicals or here what resembles DVI ports.
I can understand why Dan chose Serinus for the review, he's very enthusiastic. But I need some comparisons to understand what sets the product apart. This Relentless versus Nagra and Shindo, for example.
I have (what may be a naive) question related to your electrical upgrade. I looked into installing the Audioquest Edison outlets for my system - I have dedicated power lines, but am using ordinary 20 amp outlets. The Edison outlets are not UL-Rated. Because of this, i could not get an electrician to install them. I was told that, in Massachusetts, they are not 'in code' and no electrician will install them. Is this a local thing? Or does their installation have to be sort of 'under the table' so-to-speak...
indeed, resistor ladder attenuators are still the most transparent, if done well.
I would expect state-of-the-art noise performance for that kind of money. Distortion profiles are what mostly separate preamps in subjective quality, so that aspect is forgivable. However, there now exist multiple preamps on the market below $3000 that achieve a lower noise floor with a single chassis.
Regardless, this equipment would look out of place in any home that’s less gaudy than Trump’s penthouse.
Have you tried an autoformer volume control?
I'm not convinced that a resistor burns voltage evenly across all frequencies.
Digital attenuation is closer to ideal, except then the noise floor is not lowered along with the signal.
Agreed that other amps at much lower prices achieve lower noise floors. Nagra HD is half the price.
Modern resistors are the most linear elements you can find in electronics.
Of course, as always, a real world physical resistor isn’t purely resistive, but has an inductance and a capacitance with it - same as a few mm piece of wire.
Correctly dimensioned, they work up to the Giga-Hz range, where even a piece of wire becomes a significant electronic element.
For audio, even several 100 kHz above the audible range, they are just resistors.
Every-, literally every audio device is packed with resistors, no way to avoid them.
A resistor ladder with mechanical switching is the single most precise way to attenuate analog audio.
It does the same as other resistors in the device do anyway.
Other concepts for audio attenuation have much more, and their own problems.
Is the overblown casework?
The Relentless Preamp appears to be a serious attempt to make a cost is no object component. I hope to hear this preamp sometime, maybe at CAF this fall? As was noted by another reader above, the use of a plastic DVI port to connect power and line signals seems jarringly out of place in something that costs $150k but I gather from JVS's report that this does not detract from the overall sonic experience. As for resistors to attenuate signal, I prefer and mainly use AVCs in my system, but resistor based attenuators can be supremely transparent if done well. I have and still sometimes use an old Ayre preamp which uses resistive attenuation and it is a pretty nice sounding overall. I was curious about JVS's statement regarding the status of his malfunctioning Momentum HD:
"D'Agostino explained that because a replacement for the Momentum HD preamp was in the works—in the form of the Momentum C2, which was introduced at Munich High End 2024—it made no sense to send the Momentum HD back to me."
Is D'Agostino just keeping JVS's preamp and sending him a new model? Sounds like extraordinary customer service, if a product fails, they just send you a new, updated model? Or is this a long-term (indefinite?) loaner? Some reviewers including Art Dudley or Michael Lavorgna for example, stressed the importance of reviewers declaring which components in their reference/review system they own (purchased with their hard earned money) and which were essentially gifts or long term loaners from the companies under review. While it may seem a minor point, I find it easier to accept a glowing review about a component when the reviewer actually has some skin in the game (ie he/she ponied up and purchased the product), in some cases........ actions do speak louder than words.
A very fun, “I’ll never own it, but I love to read reviews of top gear” write up. I would respectfully suggest, however, that the attribution of Hoodoo Man Blues be revised to only include Junior Wells and remove the “Friendly Chap,” Buddy Guy. Hoodoo Man Blues is a Junior Wells album.
Keep enjoying the tunes!
Whole lotta wine tasting, minus the wine, in these comments. I suppose the same crowds make 4K UHDTV purchase decisions based only on "reviewers" who haven't seen the TV?
Thankfully, the same crowd didn't' attack my reasoning for having a Lamborghini Diablo SV and Ferrari F40 on my wall as a teenager.
"Total frauds! Horrible value! I can make a Camaro go faster for 1/20th the $$$!!!"
I've got immense respect for Dan's body of work, and for what he's done here. Bravo.
If I were to be in a position to buy such a product and it beat all others in comparison. I still would not by it, I find the appearance of those central dial/meters so gaudy and vulgar, I would go for second choice.
No matter how good this may sound, it doesn't matter, with this price it has nothing to do with enjoying music but with other things. And no, I am not jealous, a counter argument that I often read here. I am not jealous of people who have lost every sense of reality and proportion.
"you're reading measurements and not listening to music."
If the measurements are poor, there's no reason to listen. Unless you're looking for a "color", then knock yourself out. At this price, one would expect the finest and most transparent signal path known to audio. But its THD is 2 orders of magnitude higher than a common $1 IC opamp.
They should've priced it at $250K. It would've sounded better.