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I'm out of transport for some time now and I was considering buying this thing; your description made me feel almost like I heard it myself.
I was a slow starter with digital because of my early take on CD sound: It was emotionally drained with grumbling distortions in the bass and an off-timbre midrange, crowned by a thin, artificial treble, and penetrated by an eerie, unnatural silence whenever the musicians stopped playing. I thought cassettes had higher fidelity and that CDs would be a passing fad, but I kept browsing CDs at Tower Records, and the itch to buy some was getting pretty strong.
One of my friends said, "Maybe it's not the conversion principle that's to blame but something else, like an imperfect CD player?" That interesting thought had not occurred to me, but it obviously occurred to lots of engineers, because they are still trying to improve the quality of CD playback by adjusting the mechanism.
My friend's thought prompted me to ask my engineer pal, a short-tempered wizard named Dick, what CD player he used. He responded in his best gruff know-it-all voice, "These new CD players are shit! Don't buy one until they make one where the transport mechanism floats!" When I asked if anybody made one that floated, he said that he used a portable, battery-powered Optimus CD player from Radio Shack, and that its transport mechanism floated, and that it sounded better than any audiophile deck. Dick "knew things," so I believed him.
When I got to Radio Shack and saw the player he recommended, I laughed at its plastic-toy flying-saucer style. It looked the opposite of serious, but a closer inspection and a quick listen with its included headphones suggested there might be some good engineering hidden beneath its UFO casework. The more I examined the Optimus, the more it seemed perfect for my workbench, my bike, and my car. It cost around a hundred bucks, so I bought one and kept it as my only CD player until 1993, when I capitulated and bought my first nonportable CD player: a TEAC VRDS-10.
I chose the VRDS-10 because I liked how it looked: sturdy and professional, as though it was built to broadcast-quality standards.
I used the 10 almost exclusively as a disc transport, attached to a variety of expensive DACs, until, influenced by advertising and seeking an upgrade, I bought a serious dedicated transport: the 37lb(!) belt-drive C.E.C. TL1. At the time, C.E.C. was one of the world's leading manufacturers of OEM transports and complete CD players. With the top-loading C.E.C., the sound became gentler, smoother, quieter, more analog-likebut transient attack and the PRaT-boogie factor were not up to what I'd been enjoying from my VRDS-10.
My amp-builder friend Uchida was using a Studer a730 CD player, which established a high benchmark for purity of tone, sharp focus, and transient bite. He thought it sounded like magnetic tape, but it was not free, and it was not available in the United States.
My next transport was another belt-drive top-loader: 47 Lab's Flatfish. I purchased the Flatfish partly because I liked its name, partly because I liked how it looked, and partly because I liked how undigital it made CDs sound. The Flatfish played as rich of tone, smooth, and unmechanical as the C.E.C. did, but it died young. Desperate and exasperated, I bought a $100 Oppo CD player. The generic-looking Oppo played satisfactorily and survived 10 years of daily useuntil its drawer stuck closed.
After my $100 Oppo broke and then two hand-me-down CD players died (one with the drawer stuck open), I reluctantly surrendered to streaming. I streamed every day until I reviewed Hegel's Mohican CD player, during which time I realized that silver discs present recordings with more force and more conspicuous momentum than streaming. When the Mohican left, I returned to streaming. Until ...
I reviewed Hegel's newest CD player, the Viking, and Rotel's DT-6000 "DAC-transport" and realized that CDs can also swagger and sing the most refined operas.
After the Hegel and Rotel players departed, I missed playing CDs, so I bought a $249 Onkyo C-7030 CD player (on Amazon) to use as a transport, connecting its digital output to whatever DAC was in the big system using Kimber Kable's D60 coaxial cable, which I bought in the mid-'90s. Today, at $490 per meter, the D60 costs about twice as much as the CD player.
Used as a transport, the C-7030 impressed with its natural tone and lively PRaT. Its solidity and punch are superior to internet streaming, so I'm happy every time I use it.
But I don't understand: Why do CDs sound more corporeal than streamed music files? Maybe 40 years of playing CDs rewired my brain. I am guessing, but I imagine the more CPU operations a DAC needs to perform, the more juice it sucks from its power supply and the more its tiny signals bounce around and pick up garbage. I imagine also that pushing raw data through different types of cable (fiber-optic, LAN, S/PDIF, USB, AES3, etc.) offers significant clocking challenges. Since the silver disc emerged from the labs at Philips and Sony, my biggest complaint about CD player sound is how music seems weak and energy challenged. But that view has changed: In recent years, whenever I've used a daily-driver CD player as a disc transport, sending its digital output into the latest state-of-the-art upsampling converters like the dCS Lina and Bartók Apex, or truth-telling NOS R-2R DACs like the HoloAudio May or the Denafrips Terminator Plus, the upgrade in force and presence with CD (vs streaming) was not subtle.
My listenings this month took that observation to the next level: Using a separate, high-precision CD transport in a heavy chassis, with multiple dedicated power supplies, feeding a DAC in a separate heavy chassis, with its own shielded power supply and a current-pushing output stage, sounds a lot more solid and articulate than my tin-sided $250 CD player or streaming from my computer.
More than 30 years after I bought that TEAC VRDS-10 CD player, I am using TEAC's new VRDS-701T CD transport ($2699.99; footnote 1)and its mechanism floats! (If only grumpy Dick was alive to witness this.) Feeding data extracted in the 701T transport to the dCS Lina DAC with master clock, or LTA's Aero tube DAC, or HoloAudio's Spring 3 or May DAC, is a paradigm-shifting experience. The sound I am getting is stronger, denser, clearer, and more precisely focused than any digital playback I've had in my home, ever. I feel like I'm experiencing digital at some new, more exacting level of insight and engagement. The music sounds almost as visceral as analog. And it took just 40 years to get to this point.
The TEAC VRDS-701T
When I opened the box containing TEAC's VRDS-701T CD transport, I was greeted by a sheet of paper warning that it was okay if the 701T "rattled like there was something loose inside," because there was something loose inside: the CD drive mechanism.
Near the front, the owner's manual states, "Thank you for choosing TEAC. In order to enhance the audio quality, the entire CD mechanism employs a floating structure, so it is not fixed to the chassis of the unit. The entire mechanism, including the tray, can move slightly forward, backward, left, and right. This is by design and no cause for concern."
I believe the main purpose of a CD drawer is to prevent users from scratching CDs as they insert them. The 701T's drawer is made of extremely thin flexible plastic. As they say in baseball, it has "soft hands."
I wrote public relations person extraordinaire Jaclyn Inglis, asking if she could find out how TEAC's new VRDS-701T mechanism differs from the one in my VRDS-10 CD player. She forwarded my question to TEAC's head of product planning, Jo Yoshida:
"It has been about 20 years since we last released a CD player with a VRDS mechanism. This new transport mechanism incorporates all the technologies we have developed over the years to achieve a higher sound quality. But the basic concept of the VRDS mechanism has remained unchanged. By clamping the optical disc on a turntable of the same diameter, the surface blurring caused by rotational vibration and warping is suppressed, and the relative optical axis accuracy between the optical pickup and the pits and lands of the signals engraved on the disc is increased. This also reduces the servo current, resulting in improved sound quality.
"The original mechanism was designed to suppress vibration by increasing the rigidity of the moving mechanism and fixing it rigidly (the acronym "VRDS" stands for Vibration-free Rigid Disc-clamping System), but the concept here is to naturally reduce vibration by fixing it in a semi-floating state rather than forcibly suppressing vibration. This floating concept is based on the knowledge cultivated through the development of Esoteric's Grandioso CD transport. The idea is to reduce vibration naturally by fixing it in a semi-floating state.
"In order to converge vibrations as quickly as possible, the bridge supporting the turntable is designed to be lightweight and fixed only on one side, in a semi-floating structure to suppress feedback generation of unwanted resonance."
I'm out of transport for some time now and I was considering buying this thing; your description made me feel almost like I heard it myself.
I aim for a little of that. I'm glad when I succeed.
peace and fun with records
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It’s not difficult to agree with Herb Reichert on the poor quality of most audio streaming, even when we’re only talking about hard-wired streaming. Nevertheless, it may be unfair to compare a top notch CD transport to a ubiquitous mediocre streaming installation, regardless of the quality of the streamer.
You should look at the detrimental effects of the modem/router, and especially its PSU, on the quality of the streamed signal. This holds for streams from the internet and for streams within your network (NAS or SSD). In the Netherlands, we have little opportunities to improve the quality of the modem/router, but we can use all the possibilities in the world to improve the power supply of the modem. I replaced it by an Ifi Power Elite, and the results were astonishing. Not only the FLAC-streams from Qobuz, but also the streams of (WAV)music on my NAS/SSD sounded far and far more better: livelier, more engaging, more micro dynamics, more solid bass, better defined trebles, whole lotta more transparency of mids. For only $300.
If you can, lend a better (perhaps every alternative is better) PSU from a friend, and make A/B comparisons. Some recordings that may convince the most skeptical readers: Amsterdam Sinfonietta ”The Argentinian Album”, Thomas and SFSO, “American Mavericks”, both in FLAC on Qobuz.
as still owner of Teac VRDS 10 cd player, and Holo Audio Spring 3 3, I have to admit that if I were to buy one cd transport, it would be this one. I knew that before this review. However I stick with my on Qobuz bought and downloaded music files stored on my iPhone (and connected with a cable to the USB receiver of my Hegel H390 which further serves as reclocker and preamp). I would rather buy more music (files) than this hardware. And I wonder if it sounds better than my HiRes files stored on my iPhone.
Oh yeah, my HiRes music files are uncompressed AIFF files. That's important to note because I swear by uncompressed music files (vs. zipped/unzipped compressed music files).
"But I don't understand: Why do CDs sound more corporeal than streamed music files?"
... assuming you listened to the very same master on both CD and streaming?
Many albums available on Tidal, Qobuz are remastered, or at least represented in a different master compared to 80's / 90's CD releases.
With 80% of CDs, I prefer locally ripped (and locally streamed) CDs to the "same" albums available on Tidal and the like.
In the end of course the reason "Why?" is moot, if you like the version on your silver disc better -- go play locally.
Cheers!
The transports plays FAR better than streaming. I compare Auralic G1 streamer connected by Audioquest Diamod ethernet cable connected with an old XLO Limited coaxial to my dac. The other side was Heed Thesis Transoprt connected with same XLO digital coaxial cable. I played the same physical disc as the streamed material via Tidal HiFi. The result was a huge difference. The transport played far far better than the well cable "armed" streamer.
Obviously a good transoprt transfers more digital info with better accuracy in the dac.
In case Tidal provides the very same master (bit by bit), this experience of yours shows that the Coax output of the Heed transport suits your DAC better than the Coax output of the Aries G1.
I have no doubt that this is the case!
I am just not sure if one can draw a general conclusion out of it, meaning that ALL CD-based transports will ALWAYS sound better compared to streaming transports.
BTW, I also have experience with Auralic streamers -- they sound much better in their native DS Lightning mode (read: Roon sounds worse).
Additionally, switching off all optional feature like AirPlay, Roon (obviously) and so on gives best SQ.
It would be blown on this transport.
That drive is legendary and proves it still does something that others don't- isolate the room from the component.
Gush away Herb- passionate truth is nothing to excuse.
But preferred their upper range ones from the past, rather than their lower range ones like the T1 it was a very cheap clamping system and motor drive setup in that one.
But this new model looks ok and seems to clamp the whole CD with the 6 spoke wheel and that would be what rattles inside.
BTW they should have ditched those useless handles, and also added AES/EBU to the outputs, which makes me think this "could" be a cheap "Chinese" Teac rehash, using passed fame and not Japanese made like they were, like they do with MG cars etc and other passed famous made products these days.
Cheers George
of this super duper great CD tray/transport? Your description, regardless of word count, did not paint a picture. The engineering drawings weren't helpful either. I'm curious about this vs the Schiit Urd, which has adds a USB output (and inputs) and touts a great tray too.
This is more to editor/publisher - please use fewer/no stock photos from the mfg and instead take your own. If you had that policy (like *many* other publications do, including the one I used to work for) I wouldn't need to ask for a picture of something that's likely been sent back to the mfg or another reviewer and therefore unobtainable. Something like this would have been great for a short video on your YouTube channel - take the top off and show it loading a CD.
You can see the inside of the unit starting around 1 min. 38 sec. into this video:
PROOF THE CD FORMAT IS NOT DEAD: TEAC 701T
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDXu6xPG5oQ
Please review the TEAC UD-701N Streamer/DAC/HeadPhoneAmp/Preamp.
Under the hood it looks exactly the same as his brother Esoteric N05-XD
That's fantastic news! Looking forward for your impressions
In what issue can we expect the review to pop up? Thanks
I have an Esoteric E-03X, which is essentially the same transport, plus a nice DAC (although, as of late, I've been using a dCS Vivaldi Apex as my DAC). I can't recommend it enough. It really is a nice bit of kit. Probably the best transport available without getting super niche.
I've kept a 1993 Sony CDP-X707ES on hand as a transport, which still works quite well despite its 31 years of duty and while no VRDS, it is still a very good drive. An occasional nudge to the drawer is required. While I appreciate the simplicity of transport direct-to-dac via S/PDIF or I2S, in my system the magic happens on the way to the Holo May: an S/PDIF to USB digital interface into my desktop for a thorough massage by HQPlayer into DSD256 with a very good filter and room-correction convolution. This sounds a great deal better than standard redbook cd playback at 16/44.1 straight to a DAC every time. And it is worth your consideration for that reason. I don't find it any fussier to use this way either and most of the time it is simply used as a courtesy to a guest with their own cds since I have ripped all the cds that I have left to file. Although I kept my XRCDs and some mofis/Audio Fidelitys which are actually fun to break out once in awhile to spin for nostalgia. I would look at this transport if my unit finally croakes though...
Ya don't want smps's anywhere near low level sensitive source equipment, but it still looks like a "Chinese re- birth name" inside, of what once was a great Japanese product. https://ibb.co/XppGFqP
(And no AES/EBU output that's the giveaway!)
https://ibb.co/8XdkNwY
Cheers George
a properly designed and implemented SMPS is far less detrimental to low-level signals than is any sizable LPS, even if said LPS is housed six inches away in a separate chassis?
Besides, the item reviewed is a transport, so low level signals don’t apply. Teac simply knows that if it’s equipped with a toroid, they will come. Such a waste of good copper.
"a properly designed and implemented SMPS is far less detrimental"
Just go near ANY smps (unless it's completely shielded) with a portable AM radio tuned off station around 600khz (one that doesn't auto mute) turn up the volume and listen to what god awful noise emits from it, you'll change that tune real quick.
Cheers George
A strawman rebuttal George: “Unless it’s completely shielded…” “portable AM radio tuned off station.” Any other stipulations you’re leaving out? Yeah let’s just ignore the EMI that those off-shelf, poorly shielded toroids (95% of “audiophile” LPSs) emit.
It’s funny how the majority of the quietest gear on the market employs SMPSs despite them being so allegedly inferior.
This not strawman, but a BS statement.
Funny how many of the very top sounding equipment still use linear power supplies even though they are up to 10x more expensive (if that were true it's bad business profit sense).
Love to see the day manufactureres like D'Agostino etc etc use smps in their equipment
Cheers George
... DACs - which exhibit perhaps the lowest noise levels of any audio equipment - all use switch-mode power supplies.
... (for $349) the Nakamichi CD-4 CD player, which was equipped with the AD1865 DAC chip.
For a new all-in-one unit, try the Marantz SA-10.
https://www.sarte-audio.com/sites/default/files/reviews/marantz_sa-10_hi-fi_news_review_march_20170.pdf
https://www.sarte-audio.com/sites/default/files/reviews/marantz_.hifi_critic_marantz_sa-10.pdf
https://www.lowbeats.de/test-marantz-sa-10-top-dac-cd-sacd-player/
Ortofan, I was wondering if i was the only one! I've been smitten with my SA-10 for years now. I think I got it shortly after it was released. I've yet to hear a better solution for physical discs (or a DAC) at anywhere near the price. All the superlatives Herb attributed to the Teac I would apply to the SA-10. And no external DAC is needed! I do stream a lot to the SA-10 with my latest iteration digital rig comprising Sonore microRendu into iFi Purifier 3 via my many years old Oyaide USB cable. Physical media still sounds best, but streaming no longer feels like a compromise. I think Marantz is about to release a new flagship spinner/DAC. I can't wait to hear it.
... never reviewed the SA-10 (and the PM-10 integrated amp).
Looks like Marantz wants to compete in the Accuphase, Luxman and TEAC/Esoteric end of the market with the new series 10 Reference models.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8nO65n1s-Y
dear Stereophile , test the Heed Thesis Transoprt, is an excellent device.
Nice Review Herb
Bought a used Esoteric X03SE when all the well heeled folks were upgrading to the newer improved Esoteric decks. A sheer delight. Enjoyed it so much I bought a used K01 a few years later. In direct comparison using a Manley Skipjack the X03SE held it's own with the K01 (and if you like the gear with the name Flatfish perhaps you should check out Manley's gear) In addition, EveAnna is a blast to correspond with.
In any event bet this deck is competitive with anything in it's class.
Herb wrote: "More than 100 years into the recording era, only two violinists have dared to record all 24 Caprices." There are many more than two recordings of the set. Just to mention a few: Ehnes, Hadelich, Fischer, Ibragimova, Midori, Accardo, Mintz, Pine, Zehetmair, etc.
My apologies. I should have dug deeper. I've actually spent time with and enjoyed the Midori. And forgot.
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There's a much much cheaper option, especially for NOS DAC owners who should already own HQPlayer upsampling software. Simply connect an external CD/DVD Drive (got a New Old Stock Apple one for 10€ to connect to my Studio) or use your internal one. Quoting HQP's developper : "HQPlayer reads the raw data straight off the disc"/"no reason to spend extra money on fancyness. It is more important that it is robust and produces correct output data. Since with HQPlayer it is used very differently, no need to worry about such things as jitter."
As of differences with the same mastering streamed, or local rip... Yes, everything different (including local in RAM disk or on SD card)might be found sounding different ; better ? Just found Qobuz and CD of Arrau's Debussy final session close (though it's different presentation and possibly mastering on Qobuz). My rip that is over 10 years old had traces of distorsion (corruption ?) have to redo the comparison for it's potentially a devastating finding
"Esoteric decks. A sheer delight. Enjoyed it so much I bought a used K01"
When they were owned and made in Japan, again with 4 x !!! linear supplies, upper and lower split level circuit shots, looks like discrete R2R D/A converter banks also? but I never thought they went that way like MSB did. https://ibb.co/X2Pk9sL
Cheers George
Please, listen to Lector.
I also had Teac P700 for many years.
as you summarize the sound. I had a few discs laying around that I could not find a way anywhere to stream. I thought it would be fun to try a CD transport into my DCS Rossini DAC. I thought I had the ultimate setup with streaming into the Rossini. I was floored by how much better the CD transport sounded. I had my buddy over and played him the file from Roon and from the CD and we both agreed way better via CD. I have been through this a million times at this point and the CD always sounds better than the streamed copy. Hard drive playback is slightly better than streamed but neither compare to the CD. I got an even better transport and am now a happy guy who buys the music I want on CD. I check it out on streaming and if I like it then I get the CD. Vinyl is still better than the digital in my system but CD is a great alternative. I know it pisses off a lot of guys to hear this said that CDs sound better than streaming. No one wants to hear this because as Al Gore famously said, it's an inconvenient truth .