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Hi geoff
I'll take a green pen. Do I email you our address or do you already have it?
I have a few same copy CD's so I'll do a review for you.
thanks in advance
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/
Email me your shipping address or post it here if you wish. This particular Green Pen is not really for review as it were as it's not my official Green Pen, the one that I sell. Actually I sell a set of pens of different colors.
It will take me two days to get the pens ready to ship. So I will be able to ship by Thursday morning. Will ship USPS first class mail.
Geoff Kait
Machina Dynmica
I'll be happy to give them a try and report on here the results.
CES is coming up so I will also be able to get feedback from the listeners who stop by.
Let's not send them to the main house cause they might get lost in the shuffle. The design hut would be better.
I'll note to everyone that these are not your official pen, and if the results are good I would like to see if we could get other products (we'll purchase of course) to do the same with them.
I should also say I have a few different Greened CD's that can be in the mix as well as Cryo Green treated. This will be the first testing of your goods directly from you since I have been posting here so I'm excited that you are willing to do this. We'll take pics for you as well.
again, this won't be judged as an official test unless you give the go ahead
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/
I have decided not to send Michael a free Green Pen after all. A little too much angst, animosity and drama. Save the drama for yo mama.
Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
well if you change your mind let us know
In the meantime I'll share with the forum our reviewing policy that gets sent out, and was about to be sent to geoff.
"MGA is happy you have decided to send us product for review. We feel it's important to give you our very best efforts as well as share your product with music lovers through your designing eye. After we receive product we will give you our plan for testing. Our approach to reviewing current new products is, the review belongs to you the designer to use as either product evaluation or copy to publish at your discretion. Products not in production we share our opinion with the note that, this is from our point of view and listening conditions which we list.
If we do a review in coordination with you, we send you the copy before it is posted. If you decide for us not to post our findings, we will refer the readers to ask you for our findings. This will last as long as the product is in production of a reasonable quantity, or if our findings are not represented in proper context. It's important to us to give credibility and not negativity. That said, we will at least suggest your product is for a particular taste, while explaining the possibilities from our experience. We have a no negative policy of others designs. Thank you for intrusting us with this evaluation"
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/
That's nice, but the free Green Pen is not intended to be any such big deal, it's just a little Christmas fun. No reason to turn this bit of fun into something more than it is, especially when it appears we're going to be in for a long and excrutiating lecture on testing, how to test, how great ToonLand is at testing. I actually don't give a damn. This is not going to be one of those, Hey everybody, I'm Michael Green, look at me, I'm so pretty, touch me, love me moments.
Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
Ya know, I did say the pens are free. And the shipping is uh FREE. Hel-looo! Where did all the audiophiles go?
Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
geoff said
"This particular Green Pen is not really for review as it were as it's not my official Green Pen, the one that I sell."
mg
I'm sure others have the same question.
Why would I want to try something other than the "official pen"? Secondly, yes the pen is free (thanks), but if being tried on a reference CD for testing, that cost the listener $.$$
Your basically saying the two pens sound different and here's a free one that doesn't sound as good as your official pen. You don't say how they are different sounding, or how the free pen sounds at all.
Another concern one might have.
What if your testing these out on your portable sony walkman (geoff's reference) but the listeners are wanting to use their audiophile in-room system to listen to? Obviously these are two extremely different settings.
Maybe it would be wiser to do the listening before and after on your system and share the sound and what the listener might gain or loose in context to the change it made on your rig.
also
What does the guy do, if he likes the sound of your new pen, and wants to upgrade to the official Green? Can he remove the applied ink and convert to the official?
I could be wrong but I would think the discerning audiophile doesn't neccessarily want to make a jump without a little more info on where they might land. This gift may be the greatest toy on the planet, but I know for myself, I have a graveyard of maybe, wishful thinking, no thanks, awful, what just happened, green pen-ed CD's sitting around.
geoff said
"Ya know, I did say the pens are free. And the shipping is uh FREE. Hel-looo! Where did all the audiophiles go?"
mg
Maybe the audiophiles haven't gone anywhere. Then again maybe they have left the building insearch of something more from their hobby.
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/
I am giving away the Green Pens free because it's fun. If you don't know what that means look it up on Wikipedia. The free pens I'm offering are Magic Markers whereas the pens I use in my product are Sharpies. Not that I think there is any real difference but I got a good deal on a lot of Magic Markers so I want to share my good fortune . Plus as I said my product is more comprehensive than a single green color pen since my product involves 4 colors. But, wait, didn't I already say that? I also think that the Green Pen is quite effective all by itself and at least it's a start. You know, for those readers who have never heard what a Green Pen can do. No offense to you personally. Lol. Please don't twist and distort things I say to suit your own self centered motives. Go hump someone else's leg. I for one tire of your, " look at me, touch me, love my hair" approach to audio. Michael, as the holidays approach can you please try not to be a horses ass? Lighten up, tis the season to be jolly.
Addendum: hey, what happened to your address? I was going to be a nice guy and send you a Green Pen, you must have got mad and deleted your address.
Geoff Kait
see anyone suggesting you not send them a free green pen. All I see is you scared to death to send me one. As far as being in the holiday spirit, I'd say I'm pretty happy. Got in 9 boxes of goodies yesterday from FedEX.
2 preamps
2 amps
2 DACs
bunch of CD's
tweeters & woofers
1 mono block
1 subwoofer
and I'm just starting to dig through to see what else is there.
So thanks for asking about my holiday cheer, always fun around here cause we get to go right from Christmas to new years then to the CES.
All I was saying was, base on comments like "I also think that the Green Pen is quite effective all by itself and at least it's a start." which you say, but it might be the reason why others here might not be responding. It's not just a free green pen, it's something that alters the sound of recordings, and I would suppose that could be a good thing but also could be a disaster.
geoff, you need to keep in mind most of the folks around here have seen you do a lot of personal jumping around as far as your systems go as well as reading your posting on threads. I'm not the only one who has learned to take truck loads of salt when reading you. When you say things like "take your high end audio cables and wrap them with white electrical tape" or "put CD's in your freezer" or 30 year old store bought cassette tapes are the way to go, and much later you saying you weren't serious after you were advertising the players for sale. Sorry but after the first few times people start to question your credentials.
I've offered you a fair and friendly hand several times to test and review your products, but as with even this thread and the way your acting, it sows some weird seeds for most of us. If this was something new, that would be one thing, but every single thread you try to crash and burn. Sorry that's weird, and as I have said driving folks away from coming here.
I just don't think there are many here anymore that want to take you at your word, but lets see how many guys take you up on your offer, and hopefully they'll get great results.
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/
You still don't get it. I am not asking you to do me any favors. I'm not asking you to review the Green Pen. I'm not asking you to review ANY of my products. Wake up and smell the coffee! What I'm actually asking is for you NOT to review the free Green Pen and NOT to review ANY of my products. Hel-looo!! Geez, Louise, I thought I already made that abundantly CLEAR on at least two previous occasions. If your memory is acting UP again eat more fish. If you wish me to go ahead and explain to the gentle readers here exactly WHY I should ask such a thing, you know, that might seem to the casual observer to be a strange request, you know, given that most struggling manufacturers would probably JUMP at the opportunity for just such a review, by the GREAT MICHAEL GREEN, informal as it might be. But probably it would be best if I NOT provide that information.
You're saying I JUMP around from system to system. Gee, whiz, Michael, that's what audiophiles do. Hell-oooo! That's even what reviewers do, JUMP AROUND FROM SYSTEM TO SYSTEM. Didn't you get the memo? That's actually how one GETS experience, a wide range of experience, by jumping from system to system. You forgot to mention that I now hold the RECORD for having the LOWEST MASS audio system. Did that slip your MIND? Geez, you're the one always talking about LOW MASS SYSTEMS. How much does my LOW MASS SYSTEM weigh, you ask? 15 ounces including headphones. Put that in your hooka and smoke it. There's nothing I enjoy more than beating someone at his own game. Lol
Speaking of jumping I can jump tall buildings with a single bound.
Too bad you don't want the Green Pen, it's all wrapped and ready to go. The pen is mightier than the sword.
Finally, if I wanted a nag I would have kept my last GF around.
Geoff Kait
Machina Diabolical
GK-
I would interested in reading more about your gear, your system and CDs treated w/ the green pen.
PLease feel free to post your listening sessions and impressions for me.
Merry Christmas
Hey, thanks for posting on this thread. If you had been following any of my threads here this past year regarding my portable CD player system and my portable cassette player system you would have seen my description of the sound. Not to mention all of the other threads here in which I describe the sound, including but not limited to the thread concerning the pros and cons of Dylan's CD Modern Times, the third CD in his trilogy that includes Time out of Mind pans one other the name of which escapes me. I have also, as fate would have it, with respect to how CDs sound with the Green Pen, gone on and on here on the Stereophile Forum about how colors affect the sound. For obvious reasons the Green Pen also works it's magic on DVDs and SACDs, but not Blu Ray discs. Too bad the site doesn't have a search function. Hmmmmmm. Only half joking. If you'd like a quick study on how to color CDs look no further than this link from my web site,
http://machinadynamica.com/machina23.htm
Thanks for checking it out,
If you look at the link I provided on the Keith Richards thread a few days ago you'll see him interviewed and he offers the observation that tape just sounds much better than digital, it has a full spectrum of sound. I agree with him.
Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
I would like to echo Allen.
"I would be interested in reading more about your gear, your system and CDs treated w/ the green pen.
PLease feel free to post your listening sessions and impressions for me."
geoff I've personally not seen you ever describe a recording soundstage from any recording, anytime. I read you saying you've done it, but have not seen you reference a recording.
Since your being asked this on here why don't we do it again, on this thread so we might get an idea from some real time listening.
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/
Actually this is neither the time nor the place to discuss my system or soundstage, though it might be a good topic for another day. This thread is all about the Free Green Pen. Save the drama for yo mama. Oh, and where have all the audiophiles have gone? Besides, as I informed Allen, I have a great many threads right here on Stereophile in which I discuss just what you claim I don't. So, as usual this is another false alarm from Tuning Central and an obvious case of Memory Fail. If you'd like to get smart quick read my article on coloring CDs, the one I posted yesterday. I'd be real interested in your comments.
On a sad note Stewart Ono otherwise known as Uncle Stu over on Audio Asylum and debater extraordinaire with whom I interacted on a great many occasions, mostly on Tweakers and Isolation Ward at AA passed away this past weekend following a long period of health problems.
Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
here is geoff's referencing system
http://www.stereophile.com/content/you-want-dynamics
http://www.stereophile.com/content/headphone-soundstage
http://www.stereophile.com/content/how-tweak-portable-cd-player
here's geoff's style of referencing the music
http://www.stereophile.com/content/dylans-new-album-wtf
here's geoff's reputation
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=geoff+kait
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/
Stop acting like a goofball. By the way, thanks for posting those links. I've been trying to get through to you guys for what, gotta be a year or more. You know, what with the supreme SQ achievable with little old Sony portable CD and cassette players. No muss, no fuss. Also no interconnects, no big old speaker cables, no house AC, no power cords, no ground issues, no RFI/EMI, no transformers, no big capacitors, no chassis, no fuses. Do you have your listening ears on? You claim to be all about listening. But you don't LISTEN. If you're trying to convince me you have some sort of learning disability you're doing an excellent job. Are you trying to be the Forest Gump of Audio? Run, Forest, run!
Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
Nope, not trying to convince geoff kait of anything. Just showing the folks why there is no one here anymore.
geoff says
I've been trying to get through to you guys for what, gotta be a year or more.
mg
So let's be clear now readers. There is no music referencing done by geoff here. His system is a sony walkman with cheap earbuds, and that's about it. We're not kidding. You think you might be talking to someone in the high end audio sport, but geoff (as with other audio forums) is simply copying and pasting his hobby for you to read.
I wish it was different but, you readers can see for yourselves why the members have left the building.
So next time you read geoff saying "we have covered this and that before" with his flare for internet trolling, you'll be able to look here to see you've been trolled the GK way.
A direct quote from geoff you readers should always keep in mind when geoff is on your thread.
geoff said
"I never said I wasn't a troll. Don't act so surprised. Deal with it."
and May Belt says about geoff and herself
"Geoff using mockery and I use the method of challenging their replies"
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/
I use mockery in arguments when mockery is called for as when I am debating someone like you who has apparently been living in a cave all his adult life. Anyone who cannot hear the difference between tape and CDs deserves to be mocked. Anyone who thinks that dynamic range can be controlled by the volume knob deserves to be mocked. Anyone who cannot remember what anyone on this forum said in the course of a discussion deserves to be mocked. A person who intentionally OR unintentionally misquotes, mischaracterizes or distorts another person's statements deserves to be mocked. A person who doesn't know what vibration isolation actually in loves deserves to be mocked. A person who has never heard of the Intelligent Chip, silver rainbow foil, Mpingo discs, Shakti Stones, Brilliant Pebbles, the Teleportation Tweak, wire directionality, mu metal, aftermarket fuses, and a host of other audiophile tools of the trade deserves to be mocked. Besides I have the WORLD's LOWEST MASS audio system. I beat you at your own game. Na, na, na, na, na!
Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica