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Wire directionality - If fuses are directional doesn't that mean ALL wire is directional?

Fuses are directional in the sense that one direction will be referred over the other sound quality wise all things being equal. This is true even for fuses in AC circuits. So, given that fuses are directional down that imply that all wire is directional? All wire, including power cords (AC circuit), speaker cables, interconnects, transformer wire, all internal wiring in speakers, electronics wiring, capacitors, house wiring. Now, I'm not referring to the directionality imposed by shielding which can often be attached to one end of the cable only, but to any wire, even unshielded wire. While wire directionality has been known in some circles for ages, Audioquest swears by directionality, Goertz and others also, it apparently has caught on to the extent I would have thought.

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Directivity

In our work it was found that wires that have softer
insulation had greater directivity. The Hi pot testing
done at manufacture is hard to eraase - as it were.

Cj

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ytb402 wrote:
ytb402 wrote:

In our work it was found that wires that have softer
insulation had greater directivity. The Hi pot testing
done at manufacture is hard to eraase - as it were.

Cj

So, the $64K question is do you think wire is inherently directional. Including fuses and cables that have minimal insulation like Anti Cables, part 2 of the question is what about softer insulation materials would affect directionality? On the surface that claim seems a little bit far fetched.

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So, the $64K question is do you think wire is inherently directional.

No, now where do I collect? ;)

In the context of honest science, the answer is that wire is NOT inherently directional.

But in the context of things human, where irrational feelings often carry more weight than proven and rationally-explainable facts, who am I to say what you must believe?

And that's were we are here, much more subjective art than objective science.

I would be quite happy with a well done $20 copy of a good work of art, but some would be bothered - knowing that it was not the original, to such a degree that they would gladly pay orders of magnitude more, even though the physical stimuli that reached their senses was identical; emotionally, it simply would not be a positive experience unless they believed the item to be the true original.

But perhaps I am simply rationalizing based on my position and options...

If having wires and fuses arranged a specific way helps you enjoy yourself, by all means. Maybe, someday, I will too :)

Bruce.

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BruceNewEngland wrote:
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So, the $64K question is do you think wire is inherently directional.

No, now where do I collect? ;)

In the context of honest science, the answer is that wire is NOT inherently directional.

But in the context of things human, where irrational feelings often carry more weight than proven and rationally-explainable facts, who am I to say what you must believe?

And that's were we are here, much more subjective art than objective science.

I would be quite happy with a well done $20 copy of a good work of art, but some would be bothered - knowing that it was not the original, to such a degree that they would gladly pay orders of magnitude more, even though the physical stimuli that reached their senses was identical; emotionally, it simply would not be a positive experience unless they believed the item to be the true original.

But perhaps I am simply rationalizing based on my position and options...

If having wires and fuses arranged a specific way helps you enjoy yourself, by all means. Maybe, someday, I will too :)

Bruce.

Answer me this: why do you think cable manufacturers have been marking their cables with directional arrows for the last 25 years? Do you believe it's a scam to make audiophiles think there is something special or high tech about cables with directional arrows so they line to buy all they can get? Do you think audiophile fuse companies put arrows on their fuses to make the global conspiracy and scam even more convincing?

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easy experiment

Pretty new to high end, but have also noticed those arrows. Not sure I buy it, so easy enough to reverse the direction of a cable and listen whether you can hear any difference. I'd be surprised. Needless to say, some cannot be reversed, so it applies mainly to RCA-RCA and speaker wires, I think.

I think those arrows are more to suggest that this is a special cable. Anyway, my newbie 2c.

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Follow the directions

Wire conductors are not inherently directional in the typical sense, of transmitting audio. Some cables are constructed in a way that there is an advantage to hooking them in a specific direction, mainly for reducing noise purposes.

The best way is for you to try it and see if you hear a difference or not.

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Wire direction

I am no Cable maker or Wire making master, but from what I understand is its in the way the Copper is extruded and basically the arrow follows the direction that it was pulled/extruded and when in doubt one should follow the way of any writing on the wire. My Question is. Should/does the Positive lead go in one direction and Negative go in the other to follow the flow in Power Cord Wire's and Speaker Wire's?

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Speaker cables are AC so both

Speaker cables are AC so both the positive and negative sides should have their correct direction pointing toward the speaker. You don’t care about the current traveling in the opposite direction.

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geoffkait wrote:
BruceNewEngland wrote:
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So, the $64K question is do you think wire is inherently directional.

No, now where do I collect? ;)

In the context of honest science, the answer is that wire is NOT inherently directional.

But in the context of things human, where irrational feelings often carry more weight than proven and rationally-explainable facts, who am I to say what you must believe?

And that's were we are here, much more subjective art than objective science.

I would be quite happy with a well done $20 copy of a good work of art, but some would be bothered - knowing that it was not the original, to such a degree that they would gladly pay orders of magnitude more, even though the physical stimuli that reached their senses was identical; emotionally, it simply would not be a positive experience unless they believed the item to be the true original.

But perhaps I am simply rationalizing based on my position and options...

If having wires and fuses arranged a specific way helps you enjoy yourself, by all means. Maybe, someday, I will too :)

Bruce.

Answer me this: why do you think cable manufacturers have been marking their cables with directional arrows for the last 25 years? Do you believe it's a scam to make audiophiles think there is something special or high tech about cables with directional arrows so they line to buy all they can get? Do you think audiophile fuse companies put arrows on their fuses to make the global conspiracy and scam even more convincing?

Geoff; you answered your own question. Yes they do it for exactly the reasons you stated.

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I was being sarcastic, you

I was being sarcastic, you silly goose. Quack, quack!

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