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Wilson Audio Alexx vs Magico M6 speakers

Hey guys, did anyone ever compare these two speakers in the same setup by any chance?
I currently have a pair of Wilson Audio Alexx speakers in my dedicated 2ch setup listening room paired with 2 pairs of Dan D'Agostino Momentum M400 monoblock amps, Audio Research Reference 10 linestage preamp.
My digital front end source components are DCS Vivaldi full four stacks separate units that consist of DCS Vivaldi master clock unit, DCS Vivaldi upsampler unit, DCS Vivaldi DAC unit, DCS Vivaldi CD/SACD transport unit.
My new analog rigs consist of a Kronos Pro turntable, 12" Black Beauty tonearm, Air Tight PC-1 Supreme mc cartridge, dual channel pure class A linear power supply unit for the turntable, dedicated Kronos turntable stand, and the Audio Research Reference 10 linestage preamp.
Speaker cables are Transparent Magnum Opus. All interconnects and power cables are Transparent Opus.

Wondering how would the Wilson Alexx compare to the Magico M6 sonically in my setup. Anyone has had any experience with the Magico M6 paired with same or similar gears as the ones I have in my setup?
I am thinking to deviate from Wilson Audio and am considering the Magico M6 speakers ($176k/pair). The Magico M6 cost more than my Wilson Alexx ($115k/pair). So, I would need some opinions on the Magico M6 in comparison to my Wilson Alexx before I make a purchase. We do not have any Magico dealer here in my area (Seattle area). I will have to fly to California in order to listen to the Magico M6 if only they have the M6 available on for demo as they are higher end series of Magico. Dealers rarely have speakers that cost close to $200k/pair available for demo on display.
Therefore the chances I will be able to demo the M6 are pretty slim I think.

I am also considering the Sonus Faber Aida, which is Sonus Faber flagship speaker. I have listened to Sonus Faber Lilium before, which is a lower end series than the Aida but implements same drivers as the Aida. I did like the Lilium.
If I go this route, most likely I will trade in my 2 pairs of Dan D'Agostino Momentum M400 monoblock amps for a pair of Audio Research Reference 750 SE vacuum tube monoblock amps. These two amps retail for exact same price for $65k per pair.

Your opinions on the Wilson Alexx vs Magico M6 will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

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Caphill, firstly congratulations on an outstanding system! To my knowledge, no one has done a review a-b comparing these two speakers as yet as the M6's have only recently been launched, and obviously will be produced in small volumes.

Valin briefly discussed Wilson speakers incl: the WAMM in his write up of the M6's - http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/magic-m6/ There is also a fairly rampant thread on Audioshark comparing the Wilson Maxx 2 vs Magico S5 Mk2 - http://www.audioshark.org/speakers-10/wilson-maxx-2-vs-magico-s5-mk2-13420-page4.html

I own Magico S5 Mk2's which are terrific speakers. Obviously the M series are on another level. My dream speakers would be the M6's without a shadow of a doubt. I've heard the Wilson Alexia's (not the mk2) with ARC gear, and in another setup with Dag Momentum mono's and wasn't that impressed. I prefer Magico's approach of using highly inert, damped cabinets, sealed box design and advanced drivers.

If you're keen on getting a handle on how your Dag amps will work with the M6's, and can't find a Dealer who has both. Maybe see if you can find a Dealer who has the M3's and Dag amps, as the M3's will have a similar house sound to the M6's. You could also do a road trip to Magico's factory & bring your amps if you've got the room in your sedan/suv.

The best ss amps i've heard for synergy with Magico are Vitus Signature and Masterpiece series, Soulution 7 series and Audia Flight Strumento. The best tube amps i've heard for synergy are Absolare for sure. Though Conrad Johnson, CAT and VAC get big wraps also, but I haven't heard those combos. In my system I use a Vitus SIA-025 integrated with my S5 Mk2's, and further plan on upgrading to the new SIA-030 when it's released. Hope that helps!

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Wilson Alexx vs Magico M6

Hi Bodhi, thanks for your inputs and thought. Greatly appreciated.
First, the Wilson Alexia (first original) is not on the same level as the Wilson Alexx I currently have. Far from it, especially the first generation Alexia. Now the Alexia Mk2 is quite a bit better than the Alexia mk1 but still not on the same level as my Alexx. Different leagues actually and different price points too. The Alexx was first introduced in 2016 and is a smaller version of the flagship Wamm and uses same drivers and technology and dampening methods etc etc as the Wamm.

I will be psyched to have a listen to the Magico M6 if I can. I have only listened to Magico S7 at the show before paired with Dan D'Agostino Momentum M400 monoblock amps and they sounded terrific together IMO. But I had no other amps to compare them with at the time. And I also had listened to the M3 paired with VTL monoblock amps at my audiophile buddy's place around here and I liked what I heard.
On different note, if I end up selling my Wilson Alexx and get the Magico M6 I wouldn't mind switching to different amps. Soulution, Vitus, VTL, BAT, Audio Research Reference 750 SE vacuum tube monoblock amps are in my short lists.

I am also considering the Sonus Faber Aida. If I end up with the SB Aida, I will probably trade in my D'Agostino Momentum M400 monoblocks for the Audio Research Reference 750 SE vacuum tube monoblock amps. I've heard the Sonus Faber Lilium paired with these amps and the Audio Research Reference 10 linestage preamp before at the show and they sounded terrific together IMO. They had great synergy together. I am currently using the Audio Research Reference 10 linestage preamp and phonostage preamp in my setup. I was previously using the D'Agostino Momentum linestage preamp and have since traded it in for the ARC Reference 10 linestage preamp and sounded better with the ARC Reference 10 in the chain.

Will see. I might consider taking a trip to the Magico factory and brought my D'Agostino Momentum M400 amps with me.
Again thank you Bodhi for your thoughts and inputs. I will let you know later. It isn't gonna happen until this summer. I need to work on remodeling/upgrading my separate dedicated home theater room first and and get an AV processor that supports Dolby Atmos, DTS-X & Aura 3D etc. I am currently using the Classe SSP 800 preamp processor with all Classe Delta series amplifications in my dedicated home theater room with all B&W 800 D3 series loudspeaker system (7.2) with couple JL Audio subwoofers.
After my theater room is taken care of, then I will probably make a decision whether I will keep my Wilson Alexx for a bit longer or make a switch to Magico M6 or possibly the Sonus Faber Aida. It will probably happen this summer or late spring.

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You've definitely got some ambitious plans there! There are many pathways to good sound. Obviously my taste in sound is different to yours, hence there is no substitute for an audition. In the case of the M6's, I would tell you you're crazy if you didn't do the road trip and bring your amps in to Magico's awesome listening room to do a thorough audition. I've heard through the grape vine they make a serious coffee.

Fwiw i've found Boulder's latest amps have good synergy with ARC tube amps due to their neutrality and high input impedance. The 2160 mono's would pair well with your ARC Ref 10 amps. That said, i'm more of a solid state guy these days.

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Hi Bodhi

Yes, my only option in order to hear the M6 will be to make a trip down to Magico factory hq and bring in my D'Agostino Momentum M400 monoblock amps and my ARC Ref 10 preamp. Unless if I'm lucky to be able to find a dealer in CA, which is the closest from where I live here in Seattle, that happens to have a pair of M6 for demo, then I will bring my amps and preamp there or unless if they happen to have the same amps and preamp as the ones I have there. Or like you said earlier, if I can find a pair of the M3 then I will have a listen to them with my own equipments.

Funny that you mentioned about Boulder monoblock amps.....I was thinking to demo them. We have a Boulder dealer here just outside Seattle but they don't have a Magico or Wilson or Sonus Faber there. But those dealers here in Seattle have D'Agostino, Wilson Audio, Sonus Faber but not the Magico or Boulder.
Boulder monoblock amps are also in my short list along with Soulution, Tidal, MBL, Burmester, Vitus, VTL, Conrad Johnson, Constellation & AudioNet. But it would be challenging for me to demo these electronics with the speakers that I'll be interested in or even with my own Wilson ALexx. We do not have any dealer here in the Pacific NW that carry those amps I mentioned above.

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Dan D'Agostino Momentum M400

Don't get me wrong. My D'Agostino Momentum M400 monoblock amps are spectacular, it's not like I don't like them. But I've been using them for at least 3 yrs now and want something different and broaden up my horizons what's great out there.

Bodhi, just curious, what source components are you using right now? Digital front end or/and analog rigs?
What speaker cables, interconnects, power cables and power conditioner or distributor power products are you using? I'm currently using the Shunyata Research Hydra Typhon QR (Hydra Triton, Typhon, DPC6) with Shunyata Sigma NR power cables that patch them to my wall outlet.
As for speaker cables I'm using Transparent Magnum Opus with all Transparent Opus interconnects and power cables for all my equipments except for the Shunyata Hydra Typhon QR.

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It sounds like your'e taking your time to see what kind of sound you like which is the way to go.

Though my listening room is medium size by volume, I live in a smallish loft apartment and don't have the room for a vinyl rig, hence my system is digital only. I run a Vitus SCD-025Mk2 cdp as my main source which I have sitting on Stillpoints Ultra 6's + Ultra bases, with an Ultra LPI on top. Here is a review with pics fyi - http://highfidelity.pl/@main-651&lang=en. For movies, I plan on upgrading to an Oppo UDP-205 in the near future & will upgrade the switcher psu with an audiophile linear psu. For the Oppo, I'll use PAD Neptune series cables.

When I one day move into a bigger house, I plan on adding a vinyl rig. But that's too many moons away to think about options.

Re: cables and A/C power, I use Jorma Prime xlr's, Prime pc's (re-terminated with cryo'd Oyaide M1/F1 connectors) and Jorma Statement sc's. I also plan on upgrading to Jorma Statement xlr's in the near future. Statement is the same cable the Marten Coltrane Supreme II's are internally wired with. Wonderful cables which sound natural, harmonically rich, well balanced, sophisticated, neutral (Statement) to warm (Prime), resolving (without being analytical) and musical. To sum up Jorma's sound in one word, I would say "natural". For AC power, I use a Gigawatt PC-3 SE Evo conditioner and Furutech GTX-D(G) wpo. I don't have any experience with Transparent or Shunyata products.

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Bodhi, thanks for sending me the link to the review of the Vitus SCD-025MK2 cdp. Were you the one who did the review? Looked like a solidly built cd player. How does that sound? I'm using a DCS Vivaldi full four separate stacks that consists of a Vivaldi master clock unit, Vivaldi upsampler unit, Vivaldi DAC unit, Vivaldi CD/SACD transport unit which is based on the Esoteric Grandioso CD/SACD transport but modified.

Yeah...I'm really taking my time and work my way around in order to experiment and try out dfferent amps and speakers and differnet cables, etc etc. I've been using pretty much Transparent and Shunyata Research cablings.
But when it comes to power products I lean toward the Shunyata Hydra series for my dedicated two-channel setup in my main stereo listening room. But I'm using two Audioquest Niagara 700 low Z ground noise dissipation power products in my dedicated home theater room for all my home theater equipments.

In regards to the Oppo UDP-205, its uses a toroidal transformer linear power supply for its analog audio circuitry (both stereo & multi-channel) and it uses a switching supplies for its digital audio and video circuitry. Btw, I do own the Oppo 205 used strictly for bluray / 4k uhd bluray playbacks in my dedicated home theater room. It is a stellar machine. Great audio & video performances over HDMI.
Another great option when it comes to 4k uhd bluray player will be the Sony ES 4k uhd bluray player. This is a Sony ES line, not a regular Sony. I've heard from a lot of people that the Sony ES has better picture quality than the Oppo. I personally haven't tried it yet.

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YW Caphill. Thanks for the compliment, however the reviewer was Wojciech Pacula. In terms of sound, the player sounds non-digital and analogue-like in terms of the tonal density, bass, staging and the emotional connection it gives you. It also sounds a little bit tube-like in terms of it's musical flow and holography. It wont be quite as resolving or accurate as your DCS stack obviously. Though the Vitus Masterpiece series transport & dac would get closer. Another thing, this player has a very good transport. They use a heavily modified Phillips Pro 2 LF transport which is bolted to a massive slab of aluminium. There are no real weak points I can point out, other than the fact it doesn't do SACD.

Re: the Oppo UDP205, just to clarify, the upgraded psu i'm fitting is for the digital & video circuitry. Cheers.

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Vitus vs DCS vs Esoteric vs MSB Technology

Bodhi,
Just wondering how the MSB Technology Ref DAC would stack up against the Vitus Masterpiece series vs the Esoteric Grandioso stacks vs the DCS Vivaldi stacks (like the ones I have) sonically.
I have my DCS Vivaldi units sitting on Stillpoint Ultra 6 + Ultra bases too.

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Bodhi,
Just wondering how the MSB Technology Ref DAC would stack up against the Vitus Masterpiece series vs the Esoteric Grandioso stacks vs the DCS Vivaldi stacks (like the ones I have) sonically.
I have my DCS Vivaldi units sitting on Stillpoint Ultra 6 + Ultra bases too.

I heard the MSB Reference dac at the recent Melbourne Hifi show & thought it sounded very smooth and easy to listen to. There is no doubt MSB make good dacs. I think the Vitus Masterpiece dac might sound a bit more organic and have more meat on the bones. That dac has good bass for one. I can't speak to the Esoteric Grandioso stack as I haven't heard it. I have heard the full DCS stack with TAD speakers under show conditions. It is very resolving, though in that setup atleast, it didn't sound as natural and analogue-like as Vitus. That's not to say it's not great gear, It's just for my personal tastes I think i'd prefer VA. However in a different setup it could be a completely different ball game.

A full stack gives you the opportunity to separate and optimize the different digital components such as the transport, dac, master clock, psu etc. But that doesn't guarantee you musicality. Really the most important thing is to separate the transport and dac if possible. There is a fair bit of marketing hype in high end audio. The bottom line is, at this level there is no really bad sounding digital gear. It's a matter of which flavor you like. As always, let your ears decide.

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Bodhi,
Yes, indeed there are no bad sounding digital front end gears at this level. I loved my full DCS Vivaldi stacks and they sounded great in my own setup. In my setup they sounded very resolved, refined, very musical and very analog like. In different setups they probably will sound different. Just curious, when you heard the DCS Vivaldi full stacks with TAD speakers at the show, what preamp, amp or integrated amp or associated equipments they were paired with at the time? Were they using a built-in volume control in the DCS Vivaldi DAC and connected it directly to the power amp? In my own setup, I'm not using a built-in volume control/preamp in the DAC. I'm using the Audio Research Ref 10 linestage preamp as I have a turntable + phonostage pre in the very same setup.

I guess I am trying to experiment and hear different digital front end components that are at the same level as my DCS Vivaldi full stacks. I will be very curious to compare them against the Esoteric Grandioso full stacks (with its mono DACs), the VA Masterpiece series, the MSB Reference DAC or its higher end DAC in my own setup and will be eager to find out which will have better synergy in my own setup and which I will like best. Who knows? My own DCS Vivaldi stacks might sound best with the rest of my gears in my own setup.
But it's not possible to hear all the ones I want to demo in my own setup using my own gears and speakers as dealers around here in Seattle will not have all of them. Dealers around here only have the DCS and the MSB but not the VA or the Esoteric.

As for speaker search, I think I will have to make a trip down to Magico facility and bring my own amps, preamp, my DCS Vivaldi stacks and my own cables and possibly my own analog rigs in order to hear them on the Magico M6. Hopefully they wouldn't mind that. Well, if I will have to spend some $176k USD on a pair of speakers I will have to make sure how they would perform and sound using my own associated equipments and if I would like the sound paired with my own associated equipments.
I will be experimenting be demo of try out or search for different amps too. Possibly the VA, Soulution, Boulder, Tidal monoblocks, DartZeel, MBL, Gamut, Chord monoblocks, Burmester, Constellation, Audio Research Reference 750 SE vacuum tube monoblock amps, VTL, VAC, BAT, etc etc and the list goes on and on and on.
But I'm in no rush to switch to different gears and speakers etc. I'm very happy with how my setup and system sound but I'm just trying to explore different gears, speakers etc to see if I will like them better than the ones I have now according to my ears.

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Hi Caphill, other than the

Hi Caphill, other than the Dag momentum mono blocks, I can't recall what associated equipment was in use. I'd have to go back through a lot of photos to confirm it. But I wouldn't read too much into my impressions of the DCS Vivaldi stack as that was under show conditions. You have one of the great digital front ends. I've got no doubt is sounds very musical in your system.

The ARC Reference 10 is a very good pre. I slightly prefer the Ref 40th Anniversary, but that's just a matter of personal preference. But i'm more of a solid state guy these days.

Soulution still produce the 746+ SACD player which is a very nice deck. Though by all reports, the MSB Select II dac & upcoming Select transport will be the cream of the crop in digital audio (with a price tag to match). And the benefit is atleast you've got a local MSB dealer you can access.

Geez, if you bring your entire system into Magico, make sure you bring a mate & give Magico a heads up. You'll need rack space to place your gear, otherwise they might just get a shit load of MPods and place them on the ground, other than your front end gear. But for $176k speakers, they should be happy to move a few things around.

In regard to amps, if you were set on using your ARC Ref 10 as linestage, carte blanche i'd suggest the Boulder 3060 if you could afford it. Otherwise the 2150 mono's. There is just something uncanny about the synergy between the Ref 10/Ref 40th Anniversary and Boulder. But my personal pick would be the Vitus MP-S201 and MP-L201. That would be an awesome combo with the M6's.

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Boulder amps

Bodhi,
This weekend I'm going to a hifi dealer outside Seattle that carries Boulder products. I'm going to have a listen to their 2150 and 2160 amps. They said they don't have the 3150 monoblock amps on display for demo. I will be aiming at either the 3150 monoblocks or the 2150 monoblocks.

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Bodhi,
This weekend I'm going to a hifi dealer outside Seattle that carries Boulder products. I'm going to have a listen to their 2150 and 2160 amps. They said they don't have the 3150 monoblock amps on display for demo. I will be aiming at either the 3150 monoblocks or the 2150 monoblocks.

My friend owns a Boulder 3060 power amp, 2120 dac & 2110 pre & loves them. I heard the 1100 series pre/power combo today with Magico S3 Mk2's and was impressed. They sound smoother & more musical compared to the old 1000 series, and look better as well. The 3050 mono's would be awesome!

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Wilson Audio Alexia-2 vs Magico S7

I hope that I am in the right forum to post my question; and it is about the Wilson Audio Alexia 2 vs the Magico S7 speakers. I currently own a pair of Vienna acoustics The Music floor standing speakers and looking to upgrade. This is a very difficult decision because on the one hand there’s the Wilson speaker which seems to be very good on paper but costs the same amount of money, $58,000, as the Magico S7. Just looking at the specs it seems that the Magico gives you a lot more bang for the buck because of its beryllium tweeters and three 10 inch base drivers as opposed to Alexia which has only one. Like all people on this forum I do enjoy quality recordings and equipment and appreciate midrange sweetness and a lush treble. Having said that, the most important aspect of a speaker to me is bass depth and tightness. It is not the rap kind of bass but from old classic rock numbers like Hotel California and Get Ready by Rare Earth.

Of course system matching is also very important and I own a pair of Devialet expert Pro 1000 mono blocks. These are fed by an Aurender N10 music server, roon nucleus+ music server and an Ayre C5 XE MP universal disc spinner.

Given my equipment and musical preferences that I just explained, would anybody have any helpful hints about the choice of speakers? Appreciate the responses

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I don't know if you're still

I don't know if you're still in the market for speakers, but FWIW my impression of the larger Wilson speakers such as the Alexia is they need atleast a medium-large or large room to breath being a rear-ported design. So if you have a large room and want room-filling sound, the Alexia 2 should fit the bill like no other. The S7's also need a large room, though being a sealed box design they have tight, well controlled bass and are not as critical with placement closer to the front wall. But sound-wise, they are completely different. You really need to audition both speakers to decide which kind of sound you like. The latest Wilson speakers are very good. I can't criticise them.

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