Why do you think it is that people come up on this forum and others like this and talk about everything else but listening? I'm starting to think that there is a fear of talking about your sound on specific recordings. So far in the months I have been posting regular I'm the only designer I've seen come up and actually reference a recording. This seems so incredibly weird to me. I don't want this thread to get off on the wrong foot, but for a long time now have been concerned for the high end audio part of this hobby, and see that I'm not alone by reading articles writen in the past while.
Is there some type of event that is keeping people in this hobby from talking about listening in their rooms? Describing the soundstages they have and what they do to change or shape this soundstage? And giving the before and after, or during the changes and shaping? I see tons on theory, and tons on equipment. I see quotes and people defending their thoughts and positions, and very much their equipment. I see everything on these forums about listening except for listening. Even in the music sections I don't see real listening going on. I don't want to be out of line, but I would think people would be all over these forums comparing listening notes. They are on my forum so I know that listeners are about listening.
I don't think it's just me
I always pictured this hobby as being a group of guys and gals who were taking listening to the next level, that's what is implied by high end audio. I see pictures of all this complicated stuff, but when I get down to talking about what someone is hearing I get, well my firends think, or some theory on why or why not, or a thread that is about listening and referencing getting derailed. It's like people come up here to make a point, and that's good, but shouldn't that point be attached to some type of active listening? There's an awful lot of talk about belief systems, and an amazing lack of referencing the soundstage going on. Here's what I'm hearing right now type of stuff.
I have to say if I were someone looking to explore music at a more involved listening level the first thing I would want are people showing me how to listen and what the setup of a higher level of listening is like. Obviously people have to have a room to put the stuff in, but this instead of being the first part of listening is the last. By the time someone gets around to even talking about what they are hearing "the room" they have bought all this stuff and are now wondering why it doesn't sound quite right. Don't pretend, it doesn't. I don't get it, why are listeners going at this backward, one, and two why are people so shy about comparing what they are hearing?
When I ask this question on my forum, I get because people have a hard time in this hobby admitting they may have something that isn't any less than perfect. What? This blows my mind. Have listeners become so afraid of this hobby that they no longer have the will to explore it? Who put this fear in them, and how do we get rid of it? The first thing I want to do when I'm listening to a system is explore. A test drive to see what this baby will do when I open her up. I read people on here talking like they have the perect sound and then read they are trying a tweak. Why not just say, here's what I'm hearing and it is good but I want to go here? And then, instead of some theorist jumping up saying all this stock stuff, we reference the systems and begin to move toward a logical solution through the listeners ears and also the ears of those who are actually listening. I do this every day, and it results in a step closer.
So where's the listening, and what are the right steps to get listening back in the mainstream of the listener?
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
Why do you think it is that people come up on this forum and others like this and talk about everything else but listening? I'm starting to think that there is a fear of talking about your sound on specific recordings. So far in the months I have been posting regular I'm the only designer I've seen come up and actually reference a recording. This seems so incredibly weird to me. I don't want this thread to get off on the wrong foot, but for a long time now have been concerned for the high end audio part of this hobby, and see that I'm not alone by reading articles writen in the past while.
Is there some type of event that is keeping people in this hobby from talking about listening in their rooms? Describing the soundstages they have and what they do to change or shape this soundstage? And giving the before and after, or during the changes and shaping? I see tons on theory, and tons on equipment. I see quotes and people defending their thoughts and positions, and very much their equipment. I see everything on these forums about listening except for listening. Even in the music sections I don't see real listening going on. I don't want to be out of line, but I would think people would be all over these forums comparing listening notes. They are on my forum so I know that listeners are about listening.
I don't think it's just me
I always pictured this hobby as being a group of guys and gals who were taking listening to the next level, that's what is implied by high end audio. I see pictures of all this complicated stuff, but when I get down to talking about what someone is hearing I get, well my firends think, or some theory on why or why not, or a thread that is about listening and referencing getting derailed. It's like people come up here to make a point, and that's good, but shouldn't that point be attached to some type of active listening? There's an awful lot of talk about belief systems, and an amazing lack of referencing the soundstage going on. Here's what I'm hearing right now type of stuff.
I have to say if I were someone looking to explore music at a more involved listening level the first thing I would want are people showing me how to listen and what the setup of a higher level of listening is like. Obviously people have to have a room to put the stuff in, but this instead of being the first part of listening is the last. By the time someone gets around to even talking about what they are hearing "the room" they have bought all this stuff and are now wondering why it doesn't sound quite right. Don't pretend, it doesn't. I don't get it, why are listeners going at this backward, one, and two why are people so shy about comparing what they are hearing?
When I ask this question on my forum, I get because people have a hard time in this hobby admitting they may have something that isn't any less than perfect. What? This blows my mind. Have listeners become so afraid of this hobby that they no longer have the will to explore it? Who put this fear in them, and how do we get rid of it? The first thing I want to do when I'm listening to a system is explore. A test drive to see what this baby will do when I open her up. I read people on here talking like they have the perect sound and then read they are trying a tweak. Why not just say, here's what I'm hearing and it is good but I want to go here? And then, instead of some theorist jumping up saying all this stock stuff, we reference the systems and begin to move toward a logical solution through the listeners ears and also the ears of those who are actually listening. I do this every day, and it results in a step closer.
So where's the listening, and what are the right steps to get listening back in the mainstream of the listener?
michael green
MGA/RoomTune