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New speaker cable? (warmer sound)
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I have a marantz PM6005 (new) with old audioquest rubber feet,clear audio alpha one power cable, Supra BiLine stereo Phono - MiniJack (the expensive one, it's also new) and audioquest dragonfly(1 month old), speaker cable is 2x4 meters of supra classic 2.5 (think it's the weakest link in my system) and boston a 25 on isoacoustics 155 stands.

The sound is very open and clear with neutral bass(well controlled with no artificial or boomy bass), at high levels mabye 11 o'clock (long before my amp reaches it's power,watt limited) i sometimes fell the top is more revealing on poor recording like studio monitors is and get's a bit sharp like theres no mercy letting me know this is not the best record song/record.

Trying to look for some softer sounding speaker cable since what i use is just the cheapest 2.5mm supra makes.

What i would like is a slightly softer top mabye a more powerfull or warmer bass/bottom, without having to use the eq since it only changes the level of the bass/treble not changing the characteristic of the sound. I would say the top is okay at low levels but not so much bass/bottom,warm sound, at medium level the top is not soft enough but the bass,bottom is good (all depends on the song,record, youtube or tidal hifi)

Is there such a speaker cable with that type of sound characteristic?

I am not looking for expensive speaker cable just better then my supra classic 2.5

Any speaker cable that affects the sound quality of your system in any way is seriously defective in its basic electrical characteristics. Some manufacturers use unusual wire that is supposed to be "better" in some respect and is actually deficient in its basic properties. I specifically have a question about the desirability of the tin plating used on your current wire.

To insure that this is the case, you want cable with very low resistance, inductance, and capacitance. Most cables that are less than 4 meters in length will meet that requirement, but not all. Any speaker wire that meets this requirement will be completely neutral and have NO effect on sound quality, which is what one needs.

I personally use cables that are simply made from 10 gauge pure copper Belden wire. 10 gauge is probably overkill, but my Vandersteen Treo speakers do draw a LOT of current and my amplifier is much larger than yours.

My suggestion would be Monoprice #12 speaker cable. Monoprice #2789 is a 100 foot roll of pure copper speaker wire, and the price is $30. This will be an excellent choice. You can depend on it to be completely neutral.

Trying to use speaker cable to tailor the sound of your system is a very serious mistake, because any cable that has ANY effect on the sound is a very inferior cable.

Keep the speaker cable completely neutral and look to the type of speakers and amplifier you select for the for the sound qualities you want.

Since the amplifier you have is pretty neutral, I think you would be well advised to audition various speakers in your home until you find the ones that give you the desired sound. That is where you need to go to to get what you want. I think your current speakers are 90% of your problem, and you will continue to have significant deficiencies in the system as long as you are using them. A critical listener will soon discover that there are many speakers that sound better than the A25.

A pair of Wharfedale Diamond 10.2 speakers would give you MUCH better sound than your current speakers in all respects, and they are available from Music Direct at an attractive price.

Speakers from PSB and Focal are also excellent, and would correct most, if not all, of your current problems.

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Have thought about talk 3 cable since most people like it and say it's very good for the money.

I am not gonna buy new speakers THEY ARE NEW http://www.whathifi.com/boston-acoustics/25/review

I was listening to the exodus Deluxe editon from Bob marley and the whales on tidal hifi and found the top to be fare from soft, very revealing that the top wasn't the best quality, played another record, i found the top to be much better,lees intruseiv,metallic

I do how ever find an optical cable from my pc into the Marantz pm6005 gave me less noticeable top but i felt compared to my dragonfly the sound was slightly distorded (jitter?) and lack of high frequency details (mabye because of the difference in how loud the top is)

I do how ever like the sound, very open and clear with no artificial or boom bass, to me it's very far from pa speaker or midbass boomy speakers like the krk rookit powered 5 g3

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Listen to the Bob marley and the wailers Exodu 30 yesra 30th anniversary edition sounds better the normal delux version the remastered also sound better then the deluxe version

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Does thicker cables make a difference compared til think or normal 2.5mm cable?

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In my opinion, cabling should not be used to fix sound; and it can't. A good cable will only make your system more revealed... More treble, more midrange, more bass.

A good cable, in your case, may improve your bass response, but it will also improve or increase your midrange and treble too!

I think your limitation is the speaker driver size at 5.25"... But you state the speakers are new and do not wish to change them.

I have one suggestion: use "room gain". If you haven't already, try placing your speakers (on their stands of course) about 6-7 feet apart, and about 1 foot from the rear wall. Then, if possible, place yourself about 1 foot from the opposite rear wall to listen. If the rear wall is more than 14 feet or so away, the room may be too large for the speakers. This combination will result in the greatest increase in bass without spending a dime. I have found simple but wise speaker placement allows my book self speakers; rated at 50Hz,to reach 40Hz when placed properly.

If and only if you have not already tried to use he room to its best, then my only remaining but valid solution would be to purchase a subwoofer to bring in those lower frequencies.

Good luck, and let us know -

Regards,

Ron

Ps. I find Bass response to be a challenge as well, and my listening experience has resulted in this:
Depending on the music I am playing, I have three main setups I use:
1. As is. Tone controls defeated.
2. Engage tone controls, increase Bass by +4 out of 10.
3. Turn on subwoofer, with or without Bass tone controls

Due to these changes, I can enjoy music ranging from the calmest classical passages.... Up to the deepest RAP bass lines, and enjoy every minute! As for reggae, I usually need to engage the bass controls, but not the subwoofer.

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I think my new supra Ply 3.4 did make a difference.

Compared to my last system i now use expensive mini jack to phono from supra and a different
amp, i do more or less always listen to music with no enhancement of the bass and treble and
enjoy the difference sound quality there is, where i feel the difference in sound is a part of the genre i'm listening to,
therefor i wouldn't change some pink floyd, u2, little richard,katie melua to sound like modern edm with lots of bass.

Do how ever want to try the Wharfedale diamond 220, but not atm since i have to pay retail price and therefor atm is a bit to expensive (just don't live next to a store i denmark where they sell marantz and wharfedale)

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Since you seem to want to stay with small main speakers, yet want good bass, the logical thing to do would be get a subwoofer.

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Why does people assume good bass you only get with a subwoofer if you have small speakers,
shure you can only adjust bass if the amp or pc you are using has an eq to make it alot louder then
everything.

Not gonna happen, don't want to spend the money on a subwoofer and i can't adjust a subwoofer perfect to my speakers so it will sound perfect.

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