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absolutely classless Stereophile!

Stereophile I have been a part of this hobby and industry a long time and have always promoted the positive side to the best of my ability. My views as your reviewers have witnessed are based on solid and thoughtful research.

I come up here to share in a place that I have always thought of with respect and quality. Are you not taking the time to monitor, or is this forum becoming a joke in the industry?

I am so disappointed that you have allowed this level of unprofessionalizm go on here. I come up here and look around and can't believe I am on Stereophile. What in the Hell has happened to you?

I come up and post, flame, serious listeners come up, flame, high end audio dealers, flame. You my friends are letting this industry and your own reputations get ripped to shreads. You want to let loose cannons like Geoff Kait make a mockery of the industry that we built together, keep letting him flame every professional and listener in the industry & hobby, and wake up to there being no hobby left, cause they all got tired of being attacked for something they love and want to share.

extremely disappointed guys!

I thought I was coming to a place to share with adults not visiting a damn zoo!

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Chill

Very few people take him or May very seriously.

I've never seen anything of technical merit from him. That doesn't mean none of their tweaks ever work. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. People who fully understand the mechanics, electrical engineering basics, etc. are more deliberate and systematic with their tweaking. At that point, you would argue probably correctly, you aren't tweaking, you're tuning.

Not really something to get worked up about or flame at Stereophile about. If they kick him off the forum, he goes around to any adherents he may have around the web badmouthing Stereophile. It's a no win for JA in that case.

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English majors vs Tweakers

just another example from Jgossman of the problem with English majors getting into the fray., at least from a technical standpoint. I have a degree in theoretical physics (fluid dynamics and propulsion) from the University of Virginia, actually now that I think about it I accumulated the most credits ever recorded by an undergraduate, 203. I was selected to present my undergraduate thesis to the AIAA national conference on a design of a low thrust rocket engine for interplanetary space travel using highly magnetized metal crystal bombarded by highly accelerated Xenon ions. I designed the FAA's first satellite system twenty five years ago. i wrote the definitive explanation for how the intelligent chip works quantum mechanically ten years ago and have been designing quantum chips for many years. However, I can certainly understand how English majors would be rubbed the wrong way.

Cheers,

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I guess

I guess your right jgossman, and I don't even mind so much for myself cause well...pretty obvious, but when they attack another listeners or dealers or others in the industry, I feel my temp rise. I have no idea how someone can be a part of the same industry. If I was Stereophile, at least the flame boot would come out.

well, no they'd be gone

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Yes Geoff, we know .. You are

Yes Geoff, we know .. You are the smartest guy in the room and are never wrong. The nigh nosed intelligentsia is ample display of your "charming" wit we have all come to love.

You are steadfast in your beliefs of how audio reproduction works in both classic terms and fringe terms (mind matter interaction, Morphic resonance, etc..) yet when presented with clear evidence of contrary findings based on applied research and extensive testing and listening results you scoff, dismiss and ridicule. This is not a scientific mind at play.

You tout science when discussing classic areas of audio but use a "trust me" when discussing your fringe ideas.
When presented with clear ways to test your intelligent chip, you state you don't do testing.
When asked to investigate other ideas you refuse.
When asked to present your system wide methods you refuse and march forward with "let me tell you what's wrong with the others guys stuff."

We are all still trying to figure out what your agenda is.
You state you are a designer and then go toe to toe with another designer in extremely bad form and attack other professionals.

You recently stated you are an advanced audiophile .. Who is the real Geoff Kait.

Somebody needs to send you to your room for a timeout.

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Not just Stereophile

It's not just Stereophiles site.
I think the problem stems from industry professionals and folks with a vested interest that follow these forums. Most hobbyists follow the forums for entertainment purposes, generally just to converse with others with the same interests. The Stereophile site has more than it's share of insiders, folks that directly or indirectly lead the conversation to flog there wares and become enraged when someone disagrees and then resort to unethical comments. This type of conduct not only makes the writer look unwashed but also the entire industry, likely why you see so few reviewers posting of late. I had hoped that Stereophile would one day step up to the plate and set a new and professional forum standard, a bench mark if you will, much like the magazine, but I guess thats not the way of the world now.

I agree with Michael, if there isn't a day of reckoning I'll be leaving the sites, magazines and this hobby behind.

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You'll huff and you'll puff, then what?
toledo wrote:

Yes Geoff, we know .. You are the smartest guy in the room and are never wrong. The nigh nosed intelligentsia is ample display of your "charming" wit we have all come to love.

You are steadfast in your beliefs of how audio reproduction works in both classic terms and fringe terms (mind matter interaction, Morphic resonance, etc..) yet when presented with clear evidence of contrary findings based on applied research and extensive testing and listening results you scoff, dismiss and ridicule. This is not a scientific mind at play.

You tout science when discussing classic areas of audio but use a "trust me" when discussing your fringe ideas.
When presented with clear ways to test your intelligent chip, you state you don't do testing.
When asked to investigate other ideas you refuse.
When asked to present your system wide methods you refuse and march forward with "let me tell you what's wrong with the others guys stuff."

We are all still trying to figure out what your agenda is.
You state you are a designer and then go toe to toe with another designer in extremely bad form and attack other professionals.

You recently stated you are an advanced audiophile .. Who is the real Geoff Kait.

Somebody needs to send you to your room for a timeout.

Toledo wrote,

"You are steadfast in your beliefs of how audio reproduction works in both classic terms and fringe terms (mind matter interaction, Morphic resonance, etc..) yet when presented with clear evidence of contrary findings based on applied research and extensive testing and listening results you scoff, dismiss and ridicule. This is not a scientific mind at play."

Unfortunately for your "argument" there has been no clear evidence presented. Applied research and extensive testing and listening results? Shirley you jest! Speaking of putting on airs! You're grasping at straws, my friend. As we have seen Michaels results don't jive with everyone else's. A case in point the mu metal and cork, but also cryogenics and freezing. This is all not good for your side. Has someone actually presented evidence that mind matter interaction doesn't work? You know, evidence based on applied research, blah blah blah?

Of course I'm steadfast in my beliefs. Why wouldn't I be? They have proven to the correct ones in all of this. I hate to judge too harshly but there is big trouble in little TuneLand.

If you don't mind my saying so you guys are taking this all too seriously. Lighten up, pop open a Budweiser, smoke if you got 'em. It's only a hobby. ;-)

Memo to Tmsorosk: who are the ones who are getting enraged? Think about it. Maybe you should take a break from the hobby starting right now and think things over. ;-)

Geoff Kait
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Twist

Geoff,

You can't prove something does not exist. (Mind matter interaction.) You should know this as a scientist.

Why do you think listening results are so important yet scoff when someone presents them.

You tout listening results are valid at your convenience. See the disconnect and twist. Same old Geoff.

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it's not a matter

Geoff, I think what your missing is, to us who are taking the time to listen and make reports, we don't care when someone gets different results, that's all part of the industries collective learning curve. What we're talking about is Stereophile becoming just another internet flaming casualty. It's very disappointing to watch it happen in real time.

If you or May came up and said we disagree and here's why, and here's what we do, that would be fine, but when the both of you spend your time creating flames and then fueling them, that makes Stereophile loose all credibility as a reporting source. If you guys went somewhere else that lends itself to that type of thing fine, but I think the most of us have always looked up the the Phile and your only interest it seems is to pull it into and insulting gutter filled with childish flames.

I mean really Geoff do you think anyone has any interest in coming up to an intelligent conversation + May with spins + Geoff with first grade insults complete with pictoral? Do you see this in the magazine? Of course not. The reason why people would come here is to see Stereophile the extended version, not Stereophile the zoo version.

I'm seeing and support the Stereophile that promotes listening, but this garbage has got to go.

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Oh, pretending to be a scientist, again, eh.
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Geoff,

You can't prove something does not exist. You should know this as a scientist.

Why do you think listening results are so important yet scoff when someone presents them.

You tout listening results are valid at your convenience. See the disconnect and twist. Same old Geoff.

If you have someone waiting in the wings, someone who is familiar with ANY of the things I've been talking about for lo these past four months by all means send him in! I could say the same about you - the same old Toledo.

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Logic need not apply

Geoff,

There's that high brow again.

You might note I was referring to your mind matter interaction. How would one prove that doesn't exist.

One reaches a point of futility in rationally discussing things with you.

Michael and others are correct .. The flaming and lashing out need to stop.

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Bad hair day?
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Geoff, I think what your missing is, to us who are taking the time to listen and make reports, we don't care when someone gets different results, that's all part of the industries collective learning curve. What we're talking about is Stereophile becoming just another internet flaming casualty. It's very disappointing to watch it happen in real time.

If you or May came up and said we disagree and here's why, and here's what we do, that would be fine, but when the both of you spend your time creating flames and then fueling them, that makes Stereophile loose all credibility as a reporting source. If you guys went somewhere else that lends itself to that type of thing fine, but I think the most of us have always looked up the the Phile and your only interest it seems is to pull it into and insulting gutter filled with childish flames.

I mean really Geoff do you think anyone has any interest in coming up to an intelligent conversation + May with spins + Geoff with first grade insults complete with pictoral? Do you see this in the magazine? Of course not. The reason why people would come here is to see Stereophile the extended version, not Stereophile the zoo version.

I'm seeing and support the Stereophile that promotes listening, but this garbage has got to go.

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So, it's all my fault? Do you want me to pull up all of the innuendo and zingers you tossed out during the past four months? Stop trying to paint yourself as some naive innocent lamb. Actually, now that I think about, you have been particularly unable or unwilling to engage in any kind of dialogue with respect to tweaks, or physics in general, always trying to swing the discussion around to TuneLand and some sort of unsubstantiated tuning mumbo jumbo. And attempting to turn every thread into a Bulletin Board for TuneLand. I don't know where you went to school, but I would seriously consider trying to get your money back. I'm guessing Dayton.

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"The Drunkards Walk"

He staggers, teeters, twists, and falls. When he gets up again, he heads in an entirely different direction. If you try to follow, you get lost like him.

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Timeline

Geoff,

Do you wish to review the timeline of the last four months. This all started when you, as a designer, hijacked another designers thread.

You have stated you just wished to start a conversation .. A summarized paragraph of your tweaks is not a conversation and in no way was relevant to the discussion. It was a segway into discussing your tweaks and products, rather rudely.

You could have started your own threads to discuss your ideas.

It has been downhill since.

Just for the record tweaks have been discussed and some of your ideas tested and listening results presented and dismissed.

You wish to discuss physics when disputing listening results, yet listening results are valid for your ideas, fringe or otherwise.
You can't have it both ways.

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In plain sight

Anyone can see how Geoff behaves throughout this Forum.

Willful obfuscation.

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ChrisS wrote:
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He staggers, teeters, twists, and falls. When he gets up again, he heads in an entirely different direction. If you try to follow, you get lost like him.

Best analogy of him I've heard yet. lol

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You can see the thinking...

In his mind, he's always on track, "I'm just going home..."

But he staggers every which way.

Singing and bellowing to no one in particular.

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Speaking of Analogies....

Using one of Geoff's technique (analogies, especially from Wikipedia)...

Think of Geoff as Tar Baby.

The more you interact with him, the more he entangles you.

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That's analogy I can totally get behind
ChrisS wrote:

Using one of Geoff's technique (analogies, especially from Wikipedia)...

Think of Geoff as Tar Baby.

The more you interact with him, the more he entangles you.

Excellent, excellent...

"In one tale, Br'er Fox constructs a doll out of a lump of tar and dresses it with some clothes. When Br'er Rabbit comes along he addresses the tar "baby" amiably, but receives no response. Br'er Rabbit becomes offended by what he perceives as the Tar-Baby's lack of manners, punches it, and in doing so becomes stuck. The more Br'er Rabbit punches and kicks the tar "baby" out of rage, the worse he gets stuck."

Gee, wonder who the rabbit is? Lol

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We said it would be fun but we didn't say for who

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Mind matter interaction proof
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Geoff,

There's that high brow again.

You might note I was referring to your mind matter interaction. How would one prove that doesn't exist.

One reaches a point of futility in rationally discussing things with you.

Michael and others are correct .. The flaming and lashing out need to stop.

It's actually an interesting question. A monetary prize was awarded twenty years ago for the best experiment that either PROVED OR DISPROVED the existence of Morphic Fields. It is not as easy as it seems to prove or disprove mind matter interaction, in fact it's not easy to prove or disprove a lot of things, like the speed of light, black holes, wire directionality, action at a distance. Experiments must often be extremely clever. Even the noted Princeton Group PEAR that studied mind matter interaction for 30 years was never able to figure out how it worked, although they did have some statistical evidence of the phenomenon. I don't think anyone reaches a conclusion regarding these sorts of things overnight, tho some might try.

Pop Quiz: See if you can guess if the particular experiment that won the prize proved or disproved the theory of Morphic resonance.

Addendum: the Mind Lamp from Psyleron, an offshoot of the PEAR group can be quite convincing evidence of mind matter interaction. I am the only dealer for the Mind Lamp the last time I looked. The Mind Lamp is a lamp that changes color very randomly according to a random event generator (REG). With a human in the room the colors change in a slightly less random way. If the human consciously attempts to change the color the results become even less random. This non randomness is very measurable.

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That's nice

Geoff,

Why don't you summarize all your ideas on a Method of tweaking thread so we can discuss and you can get your message across instead of agitating other people's threads.

Would go a long way towards making this place more enjoyable.

Btw, I think Chris just politely told everyone to ignore you and handed you your hat.

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Says So Himself...

Geoff = Tar Baby

Geoff = Entanglement

Geoff = Obfuscation

He proves it over and over again.

Time to leave him alone.

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Right on cue, br'r Rabbit
ChrisS wrote:

Geoff = Tar Baby

Geoff = Entanglement

Geoff = Obfuscation

He proves it over and over again.

Time to leave him alone.

ChrisS = the rabbit

Chris must need another cold shower.

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Re: Mind matter interaction proof

Next time you are at the pub with your friends, sit back and listen to your friends talk. As time goes on, what does the conversation sound like? Does any of it make sense? Who's listening to who?

Does it sound like anyone we know?

Geoff weaves and staggers and carries on...

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So, what's the problem?
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Btw, I think Chris just politely told everyone to ignore you and handed you your hat.

It's not that easy to ignore me, apparently. Not for you, anyway. Hehe

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Call a cab...

Time for Geoff to go home.

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All by design

Geoff,

The problem is you are not ignorable .. All by design, apparently.

What we can do is ignore your ham fisted viewpoints on areas or ideas you have no experience with and can watch as you lose all credibility.

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Michael, ChrisS, toledo, tmsorosk and others

C'mon friends, you're grown up people: stop feeding the troll and it will go away.
Just ignore the guy, he'll talk alone for a while and then he'll shut up. You say you can't do it because you feel offended? Well now, just imagine a drunkard pissing on your fence: you would not like it but entering an argument would be futile since it wouldn't make him sober up.
Get real and just wish that trolling hurts, then you'll have Jeoff too busy taking painkillers.

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Naw .. every court needs its

Naw .. every court needs its jester .. Just need to smack him once in a while to make sure he understands he doesn't run the place or insults the guests.

And actually he won't go away.. Why do you think he got banned from AudioAsylum after repeated warnings.

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Well, then make a fool of himself

On his thread about morphic resonance I just wrote that shitting is a common activity that should result in a strong morphic field. The guy got mad but had no way to contradict me, so he used plain offence to wash the thing out. I had fun, because (in my book) when someone resorts to insults it's clear he's out of arguments.

P.S. I also proved him wrong about magnetic fields vs. electric fields, showing him that both are instances of the electromagnetic field. Do you think he acknowledged his mistake? No way, but he will be perceived as a complete moron by anyone who reads the thread.

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It's a tough call with Geoff.

It's a tough call with Geoff. You want to treat people with respect but need to adjust their behavior.
Who knows, maybe one day he will surprise us all and clean up his "act" and not treat this place like his personal playground.

He certainly does twist himself into knots, though and you can always tell by the frustrated summations or lashing out or simply saying "no I am not" like a little kid.

I think Geoff needs to understand that he does not have to reply to every comment and set himself up with the weirdest logic or insult people when he has nothing better to say.

If I was selling his types of products, I might have a chip on my shoulder too.

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The Pattern of his Banter...

If you don't recognize how Geoff thinks and writes here, go to a bar for an hour and listen.

(I meant to listen to people talking, arguing, telling each other off, not listening to each other, going from topic to topic, making no sense, etc. You might even notice otherwise nice people turn into real dumb-asses, bullies and braggarts!)

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Chris, last time I went to a bar

It was an Irish pub right here in the middle of Bucharest, I came back so stressed that I couldn't listen to music for the entire weekend. I "fixed" it with Rammstein at not-wife-approved levels but then again, noone forced me to go there. The problem with Geoff is that you have to read his stupid comments - that is, unless you can refrain to do it and treat him as what he is: background noise!

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Listen to the way people talk in a bar...

...and you will understand, not so much the content, but the way Geoff thinks and writes here on the forum.

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All the clucks in a row

All the usual suspects lined up ready for their morning swift kick in the nuts. Just as I predicted.

I think I'm beginning to see why Romania is best known for its cuckoo clocks and wine.

My stalker need to seriously consider that cold shower. I already have a girlfriend.

All in all it's probably safe to say there is no joy in TuneLand today. Hey, that rhymes!

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Are you done

I am all in for letting a man save face. Are you done, now. Feel better?

Good. Let's see if we can have some fun now and let people enjoy this place.

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Tic, Toc...

Fascinating, figuring out what makes you tick, Geoff.

Not what you say anymore, but how you say it.

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TuneLand is pretty darn happy I would say!

Today we get to play with the latest heat treatment for speakers, so we're pretty happy on this end of things :)

I think maybe it's Stereophile that needs some cheering up.

Have a great day listening folks!

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Michael Green wrote:
I am so disappointed that you have allowed this level of unprofessionalism go on here. I come up here and look around and can't believe I am on Stereophile.

I believing in taking a light-handed approach to moderation, and so far, while there has been arguments with strongly expressed opinions, the flame level has not yet reached the point where I feel that action needs to be taken. But I will be continuing to monitor the relevant threads.

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Huh? I thought we out this Baby to bed.
iosiP wrote:

On his thread about morphic resonance I just wrote that shitting is a common activity that should result in a strong morphic field. The guy got mad but had no way to contradict me, so he used plain offence to wash the thing out. I had fun, because (in my book) when someone resorts to insults it's clear he's out of arguments.

P.S. I also proved him wrong about magnetic fields vs. electric fields, showing him that both are instances of the electromagnetic field. Do you think he acknowledged his mistake? No way, but he will be perceived as a complete moron by anyone who reads the thread.

Geez, still trying to beat that dead horse?

Cheer up, the English majors will probably believe you.

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Mr. Atkinson

On all forums I frequented OFF TOPIC messages were deleted, so that the people interested in a specific subject could read and contribute to it without disruptions. So this is not about banning an impolite troll but just about preventing him to pollute places where decent people try to have a decent conversation.

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you know best

Hi John

Thank you for taking the time to look over these threads. I will do my best to conduct myself in a way that I hope continues the good name of Stereophile. As I stated I look at the forum as an extention of the magazine, yet don't see the same bar, but this is me looking through my glasses, and the glasses of readers who have expressed the desire to have Stereophile forum as an adult read.

as always my best

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I didn't know he was one who was removed, but about 10 or so years ago, still early in the hobby for me, I just quit going on there. It was a mad house.

As for his derogatory comment about Dayton College, I'm not sure what that proves. After completing all the credits I could in community college, I dropped out of Louisville, and not even the semi-prestigious Speed School of Engineering. And yet as it turns out, I still have enough understanding of Ohms Law - which is essentially applied fluid dynamics for electricity and practical knowledge of mechanical resonance to fish out bullshit. So while I'm sure you are extremely proud of your degrees, and possible rightfully so, it doesn't prevent your work from being partially bullshit.

I'm quite sure that the MBA's who engineered our modern government backed banking systems are as proud of their degrees as the lawyers in congress that let it happened. And yet the more they fiddle with the "science" of banking, the shorter our booms are and the deeper our busts are. All of which could be fixed with a little practical knowlege - don't spend too much, don't oversave (yes, that's possible too), and only invest in what you know.

The comparison is important. Because just as real entreprenuers try every day to start restaurants, build homes, and sell widgets, you know the "real economy", real electrical engineers are slaving away in this industry every day to move it forward with a good mix of "Ohm's law and common sense" in the immortal words of Ivor Tiefenbrun.

I agree with Michael that's it's one thing to put up with non-sense, but when non-sense is paired with being a jerk it becomes a little unbearable.

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There was a time when this was about audio gentlemen and ladies working together in the spirit of "going further" in a hobby that has so much to give and a long way to go in getting there. Getting there was the push that drove us. Every step we took was an open door to the next step, and we could go as far as we wanted based on our desire and abilities. How this went from that day to this is more than shocking, but I believe in this hobby and the pursuit of making it better. Part of that pursuit are the levels of listening along the way that we can only understand by "doing" the hobby. Sometimes it's a few steps forward and the thought that we are there, followed by a step or two backward fueling us to move on. For myself the line is drawn when I see people talking and not doing. It's like someone put a bar in the spokes, and things get heated by those who only have fuel to throw on the flames they create and not energizing the forward motion.

We are all very fortunate to have this forum and I believe if we conduct ourselves as ladies and gentlemen and can meet in the spirit of sharing our experiences we can bring this hobby back to one of health. We are at certain crossroads it's true, but this should be the opening of opportunities, not the shutting of doors, and distractions.

michael green
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Same old song and dance

I don't reckon I've seen so much much whining, self serving and sanctimonious jibber jabber in all my born days.

Gonna raise me an army, some tough sons of bitches
I'll recruit my army from the orphanages
I been to St. Herman's church and I've said my religious vows
I've sucked the milk out of a thousand cows

Thunder on the mountain heavy as can be
Mean old twister bearing down on me
All the ladies of Washington scrambling to get out of town
Looks like something bad gonna happen, better roll your airplane down

Cheers,

Geoff Kait
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I said it would be fun but I didn't say for who

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I think

He's on drugs.

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Ethanol

Go home, Geoff, you're howling again...

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Uh, oh...did someone forgot something?

Did someone forget to put out the roach traps last night? You know, once you get an infestation it can be quite difficult to get rid of them. No, I'm not referring to yours truly, you silly goose.

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Cheerios,

Geoff Kait
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DT's

Seeing bugs, Geoff?

The horrors, the horrors...

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What have you done for the hobby this week

So Geoff,

What have you done for the hobby this last week while you were so quiet?

Michael was busy voicing his new line of Tuneable speakers and making great progress.

I was learning how to remove additional blockage from my system by stripping the outer jackets off my stock AC cables and heat treating some new 22 gauge solid core speaker cabling and moving the speakers further out and closer to side walls.. with very nice initial improvements ... will be awhile till they burn in and system settles around new fields. Normally I would never consider spreading the speakers are far apart as they are, but the typical center thinning out does not occur. I will move onto adjusting the acoustic pressure zones in the room once the burn in is complete since its a balancing act.

I bet Dan, bill and Costin were quietly doing their thing.

What were you up to ... Anything to tell us other than the typical pictures, quotes and nasty grams.

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