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Second Temporary Ban on DUP

John Atkinson and I have decided to place a temporary ban on DUP's participation in our Forums. It was difficult for us to come to this conclusion because, although we feel it is the right thing to do, we regret having to place this sort of limit on one of our own members.

When we examined the situation, we felt that, for the most part, DUP's posts provide negative energy, push possible positive contributions away, and, ultimately, kill threads and hurt the Forum as a whole. We can't allow that.

The first was a one-month ban. This ban will last for three months. The ban begins today and will be in effect through the last day of February 2008.

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DUP is a negative guy, but that doesn't mean that his posts have no value or are disruptive to the forums. I personally found his posts to have lots of merit. I think most of the problems arise from his delivery, rather than the content. Aren't we big enough boys and girls to be able to handle that? I certainly hope so and I hope that you reconsider this ban.

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I'd find more merit in his posts if they weren't the same stuff over and over. He's entitled to his opinions, but when the "big watts/anti-vinyl/anti-tube/anti-expensive gear/anti-cable/anti-MF" theme invades threads in a completely irrelevant and counterproductive way, it gets tiring. I don't think he's a bad guy, nor do I dislike all his posts. On the whole, though, I think we've heard it all before.

Your thread on dealer mark-up is a very healthy discussion to have. Though I disagree on principle, I respect that you have managed to keep it civil. The difference is that DUP often does not extend the same courtesies as most other people on this forum.

It's not my place to argue the justification of the ban, and I leave it to Stephen and JA to determine. I will say, though, that I very much enjoyed the forum during the last ban, for whatever that's worth.

Regards,

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I have to say I support it, although I think it's unfortunate. But then again, most restrictions on an individual's right are because they don't respect others! It is ironic, but I was just thinking today whether the one semi-helpful post I read from DUP is worth the other twenty-three rants I have to sift through. I don't think he's worth it frankly. It's boring, annoying and way out in left field of "paranoia land." I definitely think he's done his share of scaring away new active members- maybe even old active members who just get fed up.

I mean he truly goes out of his way to find ANY possible thread to jump into and act like the bull in the china shop. Once in a while is distracting, but he brings it to a whole other level. I have on more than one occasion seriously questioned his mental stability. Perhaps it's all cry for help, but I don't think he really wants any.

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Thank you, gentlemen.

I am certain you agonized over this decision.

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I support this also, even though I agree with much of what DUP says. It's just so frustrating to read through "teh" same stuff over and over, as he throws "teh" same crap up on "teh" wall no matter what "teh" topic.

I'm hoping he uses the three months to train his fingers to type "the". (Even that little thing gets annoying after a few hundred times). I also hope that he realizes that many of us support a number of his positions, but are frustrated with the negative energy that comes from seeming rants rather than focused discussions that allow for other points of view.

I've seen this type of action on other forums and it's usually been a positive. The fact that you guys thought long and hard about it shows your concern for individual rights. The approach of giving him more than one strike, but increasing the penalty is wise I think.

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The Dead Zone may be a lonely place for the next three months but other than that a positive move.

Our hobby is characterized by strong passion which very often will lead to heated exchanges as a thread evolves.

The key word in that statement is "evolves", DUP's threads don't evolve into acrimonious exchanges, they start life that way! That's very nearly guarantee when one comes out swinging, proclaiming the one correct way, and asserting that those of differing opinion are wrong, blind, stupid, industry shrills, and goodness knows what.

There is also the issue of fundamental respect for fellow members. Does anyone believe the dismal offerings served up ad nauseam reflect the man's actual writing skills? Perhaps he does believe of audiophiles that which he is fond of saying, what is it... What not will audiophiles believe?... (or some random ordering of those words)?

It seems to me that DUP escalated his antics upon return from the first ban... goodness help us all if such turns out to be a trend!

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I have to say that I support the ban.

It was an endless series of DUP posts that drove me away from this forum for a while. I am not the most active member, but I feel that I have something to contribute now and then (on topic and without an agenda). When you run into a whole series of negative posts, again and again, it is no longer enjoyable. It is a forum, not a life.

Everybody enjoy your music.....

Cheers,

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Good to see MM.

BTW I endorse your avatar - a favorite product of mine. You have excellent taste.

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Sometimes, there are worse things than censorship.

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I rarely agree with DUP's views but I wish he weren't banned.

I don't think I have ever seen DUP resort to name calling or be overtly rude.

I understand how his incessant hammering at certain themes can be irritating IF you let it be.
I chose not to let that be irritating.

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I agree. He never resorted to any type of name calling or childish antics. His biggest sin was grammar and pounding the same point over and over ad nauseum.

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He never resorted to any type of name calling or childish antics.

This is fascinating. This is truly your honest perception and you are not simply being contrarian?

I am not going to argue with your conclusion or try to change your mind with lots of readily available DUP quotes, but you really didn't see name calling or childish antics in his posts?

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Elk,

I know your post wasn't a reply to me but I wanted to answer anyway :-)

I could see how "childish antics" could be considered a part of DUP's posts but I don't remember him calling other posters names like moron or idiot etc.

That is what I was referring to.

OTOH, some posters have called DUP names (I don't mean you) :-)

So , in only that limited sense, It seems to me DUP was singled out.

His views are unpopular to a degree and I worry that that would be a reason he was banned. I am not saying that is the reason.In fact I understand the main reason could be his incessant hammering of his views, uninvited, ad naseum, that warranted his ban by the powers that be.

I am not questioning the mag's right to ban DUP either, I just wanted to say I wish they hadn't.

I hate to see anyone get banned.

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tomjtx, graciously and intelligently presented, and I am glad you replied.

DUP did literally label others idiots from time to time, as well as engage in other direct instances of name calling. Secondarily, many found that he was deliberately disrespectful. The first is objective; the second, subjective.

I find interesting both how differently members subjectively perceive DUP as well as what they recall he actually did. Everyone's world is a different color.

I drive very fast (too much time on race tracks and too great a fondness for powerful, high performance cars). While the speed can readily be objectively determined, I am certain that others' perception of how fast I am actually going and whether it is "fast" depends on their experience and predelictions. (Sort of audio related, it takes a great deal of energy - many kilowatts - to obtain and sustain 200 mph.)

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Many of us agree with DUPs views, for the most part, an only have trouble with his delivery. I think the moderators are dealing with his behaviour and not his views.

Dave

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I do have to admit I find DUP more entertaining than irritating and that could certainly color my perception and memory :-)

Oh well, perhaps some slightly better behaved curmudgeon could fill in for DUP during his absence.

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Many of us agree with DUPs views, for the most part, an only have trouble with his delivery.


Yes, me too. I do understand DUP's frustration though.

--Ethan

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In my opinion, Dup's views were flawed in context and execution, by what, who knows. All I know is he can be and many times (95%+, due to the number of posts of his I've seen) is confrontational and rude. Those are his minimums. Then he gets worse, from that standpoint.

We do know one thing, though: Objectivism is fine. No problem with it at all. A startlingly large number of objectivists are like a bull in china shop, they seem to have a need to covert or bully others, with brute force and ignorance.

These points of communicative effort deserve little to no place on a board that is attempting to promote the idea of communication. Other than that (as a incomplete and not fully worked out response, ie you have brain, figure out what I'm saying in a gentle and easy going way, please)..there isn't all that much more to say.

Thinking people give others room in their responses and consumption of information. It also seems that a lack of self-reflection can and many times does pertain to the objectivist position.

Dup seems to show a large number of the traits that eventually make a board fail, as it gets overloaded with a crew of folks that only reflect that given position, which, as a group of people, eventually borders on being a roving attack group. A group that then attacks anything that smacks even slightly of the idea of subjectivsim. This drives away the essence of what people do with the very idea of music in the first place, so it, as a virulently delivered point, deserves little to no place on a board dedicated to audiophiles.Actually, no place whatsoever.

Subjectivsm is vitally important, it is the sublime essence of human existence, no matter what a bunch of bullying 'objectivists' might rant and rail against.

Meaningful human exchange has components of both.

Think of it this way: We understand so freaking little of what the universe is, that somewhere in the area of 90%+ of it remains a total unknown. I keep getting the feeling that it is a deep seated monkey-fear of the unknown that makes objectivists fight so hard to impose their personal idea of 'order' and 'perfection' on everyone else.

The idea that all things must be written in stone, which is complete and utter bullshit, as there isn't even the reality of one single fact, in all of human existence. Seriously... that's why they call every single point in science a THEORY..and every single honest investigator always calls a given thing a 'theory'. The unknowns are so huge, that we constantly find ourselves revising the few things we think we know. The cutting edge of science, for example, is not in any textbook. It is out there in/on the edge of the blackness, the darkness, to try and illuminate things, just a bit. And what is brought back..causes science, as a record, to be revised. And this..on a daily basis.

So, essentially, someone hammering others on what is real, and what is not, does not deserve much of a position in a discussion, unless they can promote and embrace balance.

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One man's bullying is another's passionate argument. And if you want to talk about being rude, there were numerous members who called DUP "idiot", "moron", "imbecile" and other less than stellar names. Yet, DUP had never used any of those in his posts, not even in reference to those who were very abusive to DUP. I find it ironic, that when all is said and done, it is DUP who gets banned, rather than those using pejorative terms.

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Discussions have give and take. I don't recall, in my short time on this board, of Dup ever giving anything to another's position, unless it agreed with his. In my experience, the idea/thing about roving bands of 'attack objectivists' has seemingly held true. And it deserves no place on a audiophile board, as the vast number of potential posters are very gentle subjectivists, for the most part.

Such nastienss HAS to nipped in the bud. Otherwise the core of the potential audience will never make it to the board.

Just because it has been the norm since the internet has been up and about, when it comes to discussion boards.....that does not mean it is in any way 'normal' human communication within the given group of audiophiles.

You won't attract the vast number of audiophiles to a board with rigorously structured belief cues and organizational attacks on reality, combined with continual verbal beatings. They will, in all common sense, stay completely the hell away from you.

In my opinion and experience, the vast number of blatant and attacking objectivsts, are actually promoting prejudice, ignorance, and bias in disguise.

The extreme vast number of audiophiles I know..will have nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with any internet board, as they rightfully feel that they are filled with vile and attack prone assholes. And these kind, gentle, and reasonable folk have no time for such utter crap in their lives.

If you want to attract the larger number of audiophiles that are out there, then remove the attack drones from the given board, and keep a watch on them. And smack them down when they start attacking. When they fail to stop attacking, then remove them.

But be quick about it, as it only take one or two attacks to make an audiophile and/or thinking/reasoning/balanced person leave a board and never post again.

Anyway, I've said my piece, and hopefully folks can read without thinking I'm unbalanced.

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Yet, DUP had never used any of those in his posts, not even in reference to those who were very abusive to DUP.

Alex!

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One man's bullying is another's passionate argument. And if you want to talk about being rude, there were numerous members who called DUP "idiot", "moron", "imbecile" and other less than stellar names. Yet, DUP had never used any of those in his posts, not even in reference to those who were very abusive to DUP. I find it ironic, that when all is said and done, it is DUP who gets banned, rather than those using pejorative terms.

Seriously, how can you say that? DUP has resorted to all kinds of name calling, derision, and ranting that if in a "real" forum such as on the street would quickly get him into any number of fist fights. If this were a discussion in a town meeting he'd last about 15 minutes before he was asked to leave. Why is it posters seem to feel all normal respect and delivery are to be thrown out the window as soon as it's online? Passionate? Hmmm... more like unstable and childish. How about this? Take any one of DUPs long winded posts and read it out loud to a friend and see what they think? It'd take the spelling issues out but painfully point out just how out of hand the guy can get. Sorry, but a 3 YEAR ban would be OK by me!

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I'm new to this forum, I've been following it though. I never found DUP offensive. He was usually making some very real points. Before DUP was banned, didn't Jan Vigne use some nasty foul name calling, why is that OK. Well anyway, I enjoy this forum, DUP was a lot of interesting stuff. Seems like he didn't just go along, just to go along. And I agree, I never seen DUP post bad things like others have. Maybe he is being singled out unfairly.

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Welcome to the forums, PUD. Subtlety is obviously not your strong suit.

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One man's bullying is another's passionate argument. And if you want to talk about being rude, there were numerous members who called DUP "idiot", "moron", "imbecile" and other less than stellar names. Yet, DUP had never used any of those in his posts, not even in reference to those who were very abusive to DUP. I find it ironic, that when all is said and done, it is DUP who gets banned, rather than those using pejorative terms.

Yo, what he said. :-)

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Discussions have give and take. I don't recall, in my short time on this board, of Dup ever giving anything to another's position, unless it agreed with his. In my experience, the idea/thing about roving bands of 'attack objectivists' has seemingly held true. And it deserves no place on a audiophile board, as the vast number of potential posters are very gentle subjectivists, for the most part.

Such nastienss HAS to nipped in the bud. Otherwise the core of the potential audience will never make it to the board.

Just because it has been the norm since the internet has been up and about, when it comes to discussion boards.....that does not mean it is in any way 'normal' human communication within the given group of audiophiles.

You won't attract the vast number of audiophiles to a board with rigorously structured belief cues and organizational attacks on reality, combined with continual verbal beatings. They will, in all common sense, stay completely the hell away from you.

In my opinion and experience, the vast number of blatant and attacking objectivsts, are actually promoting prejudice, ignorance, and bias in disguise.

The extreme vast number of audiophiles I know..will have nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with any internet board, as they rightfully feel that they are filled with vile and attack prone assholes. And these kind, gentle, and reasonable folk have no time for such utter crap in their lives.

If you want to attract the larger number of audiophiles that are out there, then remove the attack drones from the given board, and keep a watch on them. And smack them down when they start attacking. When they fail to stop attacking, then remove them.

But be quick about it, as it only take one or two attacks to make an audiophile and/or thinking/reasoning/balanced person leave a board and never post again.

Anyway, I've said my piece, and hopefully folks can read without thinking I'm unbalanced.

It seems to me the tone of your posts indicates you are far more intolerant than the objectivists you so revile.
I am a subjectivist myself but I enjoy reading the views of the ob's and I have learned from them.

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I'm new to this forum, I've been following it though. I never found DUP offensive. He was usually making some very real points. Before DUP was banned, didn't Jan Vigne use some nasty foul name calling, why is that OK. Well anyway, I enjoy this forum, DUP was a lot of interesting stuff. Seems like he didn't just go along, just to go along. And I agree, I never seen DUP post bad things like others have. Maybe he is being singled out unfairly.

I completely agree with you PUD and it is great having you on this forum.

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I never found DUP offensive

Possibly because he had not yet got around to offending you. Gentlemen, as I told the last group who defended dup at the time of his first ban, if you feel anyone has crossed the line of propriety on this forum, you are within your rights as a member to address the issue in a message to Stephen and John. I would urge you to get your facts straight before composing your mesage.

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I think that most of us are big boys and girls and don't need to run crying to mommy. It is when a member gets banned for three months for essentially sounding like a broken record, more than anything else, while other, truly abusive members are not banned that the issue of propriety comes up.

I would seriously urge the moderators to rescind DUP's ban and apply the policies in a bit more even handed manner.

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I think that most of us are big boys and girls and don't need to run crying to mommy. It is when a member gets banned for three months for essentially sounding like a broken record, more than anything else, while other, truly abusive members are not banned that the issue of propriety comes up.

I would seriously urge the moderators to rescind DUP's ban and apply the policies in a bit more even handed manner.

Big boys and girls don't clog every thread on the forum with incessant, redundant, inane babbling of the most boorish sort.

Big kids don't insult and belittle other members' choice of media and equipment because it isn't what they like to play with.

When writers and Stereophile print something disagreeable with big boys' and girls' opinions, they don't call them industry shills and sell-outs for the advertising buck.

Big boys and girls don't average over four posts per day for two years running despite not having anything new or positive to contribute to the dialogue.

And, most obviously, big boys and girls, when temporarily banned for reasons wholly justified by the moderators and financers of this forum, don't reregister under another name because they apparently can't live in a world that doesn't revolve around them.

Alex, don't worry about DUP's supposed ban. You have taken up the soap box in his quasi-absence.

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Possibly because he had not yet got around to offending you. Gentlemen, as I told the last group who defended dup at the time of his first ban, if you feel anyone has crossed the line of propriety on this forum, you are within your rights as a member to address the issue in a message to Stephen and John. I would urge you to get your facts straight before composing your mesage.

He did get his facts straight , as you should well know

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Alex, don't worry about DUP's supposed ban. You have taken up the soap box in his quasi-absence.

I wouldn't want you to be deprived of a target. It keeps your mind focused.

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I do wish the formatting of the forum allowed us to repsond to two posts at once.

tomjtx and Alex, you are both wandering close to personal attacks here. This is a thread intended to comment on dup's second ban. That's all.

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I do wish the formatting of the forum allowed us to repsond to two posts at once.

tomjtx and Alex, you are both wandering close to personal attacks here. This is a thread intended to comment on dup's second ban. That's all.

I am commenting on his ban.
You well know , Jan , that you have called DUP names and personally attacked him and yet you have not been banned. That is germane to this thread.

Not that it is any of your business if the post is or is not germane. Unless you want to become the official censor for these forums..

Please note, I don't have a problem with your responses to DUP. Unlike you, I don't support banning people whose method of communication I might not like.

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Not that it is any of your business if the post is or is not germane. Unless you want to become the official censor for these forums..

I see. It is my fault dup has been banned for the second time. That easily removes all responsibility from dup to behave well. That should salve the blows of the dup supporters.

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Unlike you, I don't support banning people whose method of communication I might not like.

We felt DUP's presence here in the forum resulted in an overwhelming negativity. The ban doesn't have much to do with the way he communicated (which, I felt, was often incredibly tedious and annoying), except when that method further damaged the forums' potential to thrive, which it often did. DUP killed discussion.

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Stephen,

Did it have to result in a ban? Especially a 3 month ban? I am sure that he would have toned it down given an opportunity if he understood the nature of his offense.

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The ban was our last resort, not the first. After we felt we'd exhausted our options, we banned him. We went with a three-month ban because the one-month ban seemed to have little positive effect on his behavior.


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I am sure that he would have toned it down given an opportunity if he understood the nature of his offense.

Unfortunately, at this point, I strongly disagree.

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Let's move on to fun and invigorating discussion!

Can we now stop this discussion, ending with Stephen's clear posts on the topic?

I am continually saddened how enthusiasts of a fairly esoteric pursuit can spend so much time attacking each other.

We have a few good threads of vigorous discussion going. Let's put our energy there.

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AMEN! to rvance 's cogent outline of bad behavior obvious to any 1st grader. Strange all these adults don't see it. I also agree with Elk it's probably time to move on to actually discussing audio if anyone wants this forum to thrive productively. And Alex and Jan need to learn to play together better too (or take it outside the bar)!

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Not that it is any of your business if the post is or is not germane. Unless you want to become the official censor for these forums..

Jan, I didn't say or imply that it was your fault.
Do you really believe that is what I meant?

I see. It is my fault dup has been banned for the second time. That easily removes all responsibility from dup to behave well. That should salve the blows of the dup supporters.

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Do you really believe that is what I meant?

I really believe Stephen meant to put an end to this discussion.

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It seems to me the tone of your posts indicates you are far more intolerant than the objectivists you so revile.
I am a subjectivist myself but I enjoy reading the views of the ob's and I have learned from them.

it's not really that, at all. It's easy to say, but it can be difficult to understand.

I many times, do cutting edge work in audio and video.

For financial reasons, ie, putting bread on the table and protecting the interests of my partners..I cannot tell people what I'm doing. But I can indicate directions for research. Which I do, all the time. I hint like mad.

This many times angers people who seemingly 'can't go there'. Ie, do research themselves, or come up with original ideas themselves. Or, they cannot seem to wrap their head around what I'm trying to say.

Consequently, I get hammered to death..on almost every single post. Objectivists seem to suffer the most from my posts and reply with, er, lots of venom.

This is through about 15,000 posts or so, over the years, on different forums.

So I have unwillingly grown a big hammer, and I use it all the time. I'm like the non-violent kid in the small town who has the strange name and the thick glasses. I learned how to beat the crap out of people, whether I wanted to or not. Essentially, I'm an easy going sensitive guy who was forced to respond in kind, even though all I want to do, for the most part, is share in the joy of discovery, have some new ideas thrown back at me, and we can all do neat-o new things together.

But I'm determined (apparently, fanatically so) to share new things with people..so I keep coming back, and I keep putting up with the crap from people.

The vast number of people who have met me, and spent even a small amount of time speaking with me, tend to say to me that I am the most intelligent person they have ever met. I'm not saying it for ego gratification, but simply saying, so you know the position I am in, here.

I want people to know the things that I know, but few accept such and I'm also not capable of sharing what I'd like to share, due to commercial considerations. As stated, I hint. And that maddens people, as I don't hand it to them on a silver platter.

Basically, many folks think I'm nuts and egotistical. That's fine, they can think what they need to think.

I cannot explain myself. I'll commit the sin of speaking out in public, for example, just this one time, on one tiny subject. I'll likely get in trouble for it: I have been invited twice By TI go go down to Texas and show them what I know about signifigantly improving the performance of DLP projectors. Imagine what it takes to do that. There, you have a taste of why I cannot explain myself.

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KBK,

"Basically, many folks think I'm nuts and egotistical. That's fine, they can think what they need to think."

I'm going to go with Drama Queen, thanks for the advance permission.

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Stephen: your point in regard to DUP's negative impact on discussions and posting is well taken. i noticed that we have over 7000 members in the forum. this is a considerable number, but compared to other enthusiast forums that i participate in, the number of new postings and responses are very low. i can speak for myself when i say that in my own field (not in any kind of electronics), i feel pretty competent and in my other hobby, motorcycles, i am very learned, but am pretty much a novice in the stereo hobby even though i have been involved for many years. a novice from the standpoint of the electronic workings of the devices (i can pontificate about music quality with the best of them). there are obviously a number of engineers and advanced hobbiests that post here. i enjoy that input very much, but have to say that i have been careful of my postings when i consider some of the negative element on this board. it's not that i am stupid, i just may not know, i don't mind constructive critisism and correction, that is how one learns obviously. however, to me, interaction on this forum should be enjoyable, just like listening and it is not enjoyable when people are belittled and threads are hijakced and posters make no effort to proof read their posts.
there is a difference between debate and diatribe. i am afraid that DUP and some of his accolites do not seem to know the difference.
i am a first amendment nazi, i think people in this country have the right to speak their piece all they want right up to the point of treading on someone else's rights, i think DUP crossed that line, even for me.
so, thank you stephen and john. you should see if there are more posts in the next 3 months just for curiosity's sake.

tom

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just like listening and it is not enjoyable when people are belittled and threads are hijakced and posters make no effort to proof read their posts.
there is a difference between debate and diatribe. i am afraid that DUP and some of his accolites do not seem to know the difference.
UNQUOTE

Do I need to point out the irony of the reference to proof reading?

BTW, I am not aware of any DUP acolytes on this forum. There are those that disagree with some of his views who still defend his right to express them.

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KBK,

It is unfortunate you don't live in TI land, or I could recommend several competent therapists.

Your post seems to indicate you may suffer from narcissistic personality disorder :-)

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jx: thanks for calling me on that, i should have been clearer, i meant for content, not necessarily spelling and punctuation - it is an e-mail after all. personally, i never minded "teh" and we have a number of english as a second language speakers as well that are not always that good with punctuation or syntax. i do not cede you the point on content however.

tom

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Whether the punishment fits the crime, or not, is debateless this time around by yours truly, however what is significant and should be wholeheartedly applauded by everyone...is that the thread remains open to comment.

Well done S&J for making it thus!

Praise the management, pass the bullets and watch your language!!!

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John Atkinson and I have decided to place a temporary ban on DUP's participation in our Forums. It was difficult for us to come to this conclusion because, although we feel it is the right thing to do, we regret having to place this sort of limit on one of our own members.

When we examined the situation, we felt that, for the most part, DUP's posts provide negative energy, push possible positive contributions away, and, ultimately, kill threads and hurt the Forum as a whole. We can't allow that.

The first was a one-month ban. This ban will last for three months. The ban begins today and will be in effect through the last day of February 2008.

Poor DUP, This is the price that must be paid to be "Non Strereophile Compliant".

Dont fret fellow audiophiles the tide is turning and even stereophile will change its way or lose all connection with the audiophile community.

Your Pal and fellow audiophile

Louballoo

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