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power conditioning....what nonsense talk in this video
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Hey Dup,
Is this BS because you say so? If you have some wisdom to share with us uniformed buyers please do, otherwise why don
LISTEN to what the dude claims!!! Only his units can clean up this or that..to what specs, UL ETL there are standards in the industry as to spike, noise etc protection. and how it is "unsafe" to hook up directly to the line, come on with the over hype BS. there are commercial units that actually meet SPECS, not audiophile talk nonsense. And the AC distribution system HAS changed over time, this guy is a super salesman, that says stuff with out facts, just stuff that grabs the unknowing's ears. I see FURMAN stuff everywhere in live events commercial installations, not this PS crap. Also other brands like Leviton, installed systems, Hubbell, MCG, Eaton,GE, Intermatic,Tripp Lite. Stuff mfg'd to an industry standrd, not BS marketing. Many Many Many units shut down on overvoltage, unlike what he is claiming, Furman does...this guy also markets "better sounding" AC cords. yupper, that's a sign of something.
Repost.
Been through this one already.
What's wrong, DUP? Google not functioning today?
It's "unsafe" to use your wall outlets, unless he saves ya...this guy sells AC line cords that sound better too. you gotta get his DVD on AC power, it's completly devoid of science or facts, lotsa sales pitches, and it shows what he doesn't know.
He knows enough. He knows to feature MF, WP and RH in his promotional video to make give him credibility and make it seem as though it's not a promotional video. His mamma raised no fool.
Other than a few minor historical inaccuracies - which Paul readily acknowledged - it's a good, basic history of power and an amusing little video.
So tell us, Carl - what is factually or scientifically incorrect? Not what you don't like, but what is factually wrong?
I completely agree. Anybody that is interested in high end audio should request a copy. The documentary not only demonstrates the basic principles of electricity it also explains how and why we have the electrical system that we do today. The program isn't a fluff piece merely selling PS audio's products, in fact it rarely mentions their wares. It could easily be shown on PBS, it's that educational and historically informed.
Edison didn't invent the electric lamp.
You gotta be kidding......Edison did get an electrical system in place to make use of electric lighting. I forget all the individual errors or mistatements, I'd have to look at it again, but I can't since I tossed it, it was useless. Back to the website video, where the PS dudes says, this particular PS power conditioner will give you more out than what went in...Impossible, when a BIG misstatement is made like that, I know ad people wrote the script, not someone who knows more than the marketing department.
True. He perfected it, making it economically viable as well as inventing an electronic distribution system. As I stated, pretty minor in the scheme of things.
Huh?
They claim reduced distortion and less impedance - both of which are true.
nope, LISTEN closely to the website video on his stuff, more out than what is going in. Which is impossible, can't create energy, you can only transform it from one type to another. His wording says this amount in and more out, and he seems real proud of it....it's the video from his newsletter that is sent out. Not the DVD Useless to Useless.
Again, more of what specifically?
I would think at least some of these claims could be easily measured, if true.
I haven't looked, but are there any performance parameters that measure differently when power conditioning is used?
pardon my lack of investigation prior to asking the question.
I will now proceed to learn...
There are indeed objective measurements.
For example, THD of the incoming v the outgoing power sine wave. IIRC the PS Audio Power Plant decreases THD by about 10 fold.
The Power Plant also decreases impedance. I suspect this is what a twenty amp dedicated circuit accomplishes.
There are other factors that can be measured but I do not recall them off-hand.
As usual DUP goes in knowing all and expecting it all to be a scam. Big surprise that's all he sees. I've used the PS Audio in wall conditioner and had good results. Very low noise floor and obviously more detail. It's not rocket science and most certainly not snake oil, at least with this product. Dunno about those $1k power cords- seems a lot overboard, though I did easily hear the benefits of a $200 upgrade cord from Audioquest, especially for my CD player and amp.
Edison advocated DC to distribute electricity, which is obviously NOT what we us today because of the need for an outrageous number of substations. Today's distribution system IS based on AC which was Tesla's (the Russian dude not the Rock band) system. Edison was a great many that invented tons of things but he was suborn and refused to accept AC because it wasn't his baby. He had a vested interest.
From: http://www.eei.org/industry_issues/industry_overview_and_statistics/history/index.htm
"AC vs. DC
Edison's method for generating and transmitting electricity was called direct current, or low voltage. George Westinghouse, a consolidator of his time, built Westinghouse Electric by purchasing other inventor's patents, including the polyphase alternating current (AC) system invented by Nikola Tesla.
In an alternating current system, transformers were used to step up, or increase the voltage that left the power plant. This enabled the electricity to travel over long-distance wires. When the electricity reached its destination, another transformer would then step down, or decrease the voltage so that power could be used in homes and factories.
Edison's direct current system was unable to use transformers. With Edison's system, the voltage dropped as it traveled further and further from the generator. To overcome this disadvantage, power plants would have to be built close to the power users-a costly solution.
Soon, the Westinghouse alternating current system
Tesla was not a Russian.....
Serb baby... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla
Which is nicely covered in the PS Audio DVD.
It is always interesting looking back with hindsight. Certain ideas, like DC power distribution, now appear obviously flawed.
DUP-OK so he was Serbian, not Russian you got me! But the main point is still accurate Edison=DC, Tesla=AC.
Elk-Yes, Paul did a great job covering it. Proof positive that DUP either didn't watch the DVD or didn't LISTEN. Regardless whether or not one chooses to buy a PS Audio power conditioner there is a lot to learn watching the DVD. I'd say there is less than 5 minutes of "sales" stuff, it's mostly a documentary on the history of electricity
I like what Paul McG has done over the years but some of the recent gear reminds me of typical audio verbage for new product. You'll find some embellishment from every manufacturer, so its ok as long as your an educated consumer. I'm not bashing the products as a whole, just noting a difference in the marketing from 5 years ago, to today in regards to PS Audio.
There are manufacturers that don't recommend power conditioners for their gear, specifically amplifiers. Parasound and BAT come to mind off hand. I don't have terrible in-house power levels and have never used power conditioning for my 2CH rig. I just unplug it when not in use.
There are some folks that have real world issues and others that think too much. The best upgrade I had was running dedicated lines to my rig. Everything else was non-essential. YMMV.
Mark
The inaccurate staements like the system hasn't changed in 100 years is retarded, and how it's "unsafe" to plug into the outlet without his dopey stuff. And how HIS stuff does this or that, implying that there is a "sound" to power protection, etc. So many AC power products that are so superior to anything from a salesman , that also sells "better sounding" AC cords. And Tesla was so much more inventive than Edison. Curious that i don't think looking at any of PS writeups, that there are any industry standards that the PS stuff is made to. Like UL, ETL, CE, CSA IEC, just a few of the world's standards for things electrical. Any specs or ratings on it's response. clamping, etc?
Yes, the verbiage gets to be a bit much.
However PS Audio is only one of many manufacturers claiming the elimination of jitter.
Some products contain excellent power conditioners in their products - such as Levinsons power regeneration. Others have excellent multiple stages of regulation make power conditioners redundant. It's yet another example of matching the product to one's needs.
Unplugging the system is certainly the best surge protection.!
A dedicated line can work wonders. It probably is a combination of the isolated ground and easy current delivery.