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cool review, dig the "stupid electrons" reference. Don't really think with the stuff you where using to listen to this magic wire, you heard any thing you describe as a difference, improvement,flaw etc. didn't wire last month do something similar. How many different wire twists and turns before they finally figure it out, like which one really does matter? Wire magic is like the cure for cancer, it's endless, so many different varietys, so much money. Ya' hearing the difference in a pice of wire 1 meter, versus 5 meters, how fast are those electrons moving, as stupid as they are, YOU certainly can't catch em or hear em doing anything different in a length difference of about 10 feet? The marketing genius of the wire world is to create this artifical conundrum, where all these issues and differences supposedly exist, so the gulliable keep trying and buying. to no end. Did AQ finally run out of voltages this month? Now they use a different shape end connector, what's inside it? Why doesn't Nordost have a "bias" voltage on theirs? If it really matters? I thought siltech was telling me they heat and cool, and THAT made it all work. Now we have Nordost doing it their way. Stupid electrons, where did you hear that from? Hmmmmmmm. Are electrons recycled like water, maybe I'm sending this messsage that also did duty for some sound, like maybe an original Beatles studio session....!!! WOW, I think the audio gurus need to develop an electron recyling purifier, old electrons, that where used previously suffer from, hmmm, come up with something mind boggling. ...Furutech should be able to make a really good one. With demagnetizing capabilitys of course.

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Further reading of the Nordost wire revieews, The Heimdall was as uncolored,as tonally neutral,as any other wires I've heard.......so you just said there is no sound it's all the same. So use some mortal priced stuff from mortal suppliers like Dayton generic stuff,Stellar Lab brand, which I'm sure is also a generic bunch of stuff, from Parts Express. Get some SoundKing wire, 12ga 10ga, SPT that don't oxidize, and it's priced like a piece of wire should be. And any piece of wire that claims to be in a vacuum is basically full of nonsense, a felible plastic wire, did they invent the world's best vacuum seal? If they did, they should get into the vacuum products business, not magic wire business. cus' there is nothing that will hold a vacuum without it being continually evacuated, there is no perfect seals. I happen to work on equipment that has turbo molecular pumps, and roughing pumps, there is no perfect vac seals, they all are continually pumped, vac dielectric without continuous pumping is another wire hyped nonsense. And please explain why you need a vacuum, when you are dealing with mV levels of voltages? We use vacuum cus' our stuff is opearting at teh 50-60kV so it doesn't flash and arc over, Tara wires is just more basic nonsense, sold to teh gullible. Why not have a battery hooked up to them also. AQ says the battery is the way to go, Tara says vacuum, Nordust has some magic twistys, does the BS ever end, nope, it keeps selling ads and over priced nonsense. Have you ever actually listend to SoundKing or Dayton generic stuff? Oh, you havent' then how do you know it's not as good or better than the over priced stuff? Hmmmm? Get soem www.partsexpress.com or www.mcminone.com stuff then review it, let's see you hear an improvement when you switch to $1,000/ft speaker wire, you ain't gonna, cus' there ain't none. In the same Oct issue Oyaide.com is trying to tell me THEIR plugs and wiring devices are it... Ooops, noooo, PS Audio has a nice full 2 page winner of an ad, telling me THEIR'S has all the ideas that sound best...no no no, before that The Cable Company has an audio grade friggin FUSE!!!!!! With fire coming out of the end, I think that fuse ain't working right, ya never want to see flames or sparks coming off a fuse!!! Nordost has a nice big full page ad, oh, now Analysis Plus is describing their magic twist and turns with all kinds of proprietary insulation, oh of course, it's THE GOLDEN OVAL!!! Of course, now does the Gold oval keep stupid electrons out of the insulation, that are in the Nordost, or, what? Siltech, freezing and frying, that'll get rid of the stupid electrons!!!! Siltech has the answer, someone needs triangle wire next.....oh, Harmonitech They even mention ...magic and fantasy AC10 power cables...MF claimed it resulted in a greater delicacy and transparency....but that was back in 2003, surely freezing and frying have brought new transparency to Siltech over these ..sound of MAGIC wires..AudioQuest, with there white new type of end piece, what's in that thing "Horizon"....wow!!!! HCM is telling me they have the AQ stuff at bargain prices, with old twists and I guess last month's technology...at bargain prices.

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Ultimately, I'm not out to satisfy anyone's ears but my own. But, I like the idea of sharing my experiences if it'll help someone. I'm just sick of DBT camp people or cable agnostics telling me what I can't hear. Your point about not trying Sound King speaker cable firsthand is well taken. However, since its insulation is PVC, I'm reluctant to try it because of prior experiences with cables using PVC dielectric producing poor sound in my system. I'm happy with the sound of my system presently, and am not in a rush to put a PVC based speaker cable into it. The only way this'll be interesting to me is if you try a cable of our choice, and we try yours...

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Times Microwave PDF on cable dielectric

Some of you may find this article interesting. I used to represent them in the SE when I was in the wireless industry. Mark, you will see why you do not like teflon cable listening at room temp most of the time.

When they started making some 75 ohm cable I recevied some samples amd made some RCA/Digital cables using locking WBT connectors and I thought the digital cables were as good as I had heard up to that point. They now make some smaller dia 75 ohm cables that you might be able to get from one of their suppliers like TESSCO.

The key is to not compress the dialectric when making cable, thus changing the impedence of the cable...a very bad thing. Unfortunately all to many think a connector is a connector and that is not the case at all.

TESSCO

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Just an off topic test to see if Jim's piano player will work in the body text section:

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Cables are readily available for this CHEAP and they are well made www.partsexpress.com Why bother wasting time assembling yourself?

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Yes it is interesting, it is also proving that RF and microwave etc in the 9.GHz range it matters, also to be weather resistant and tolerate temp extremes....not anything related to AUDIO in a HOME enviorment. Proves my point exactly....insulation DOES matter, in enviorments that call for specific types hard use, hot, wet,stress, hV high frequency, harsh enviorments, industrial enviorments, cold, hot etc...not someones living room or listening room, fancy insulations with fancy this and that, ain't for audio range either.

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Ok, if it'll PROVE MY POINT!!!!! New magic speaker cords on loan? Get teh most grossly over priced ones you can get, they have to be long enough too

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Well, yeah... that could prove to be too costly for a lark. Plus, to be honest, you have so much gear daisy chained, I'd be concerned there might be some masking going on in your system that would make it difficult to hear nuanced changes.

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I would be willing to bet that even some in-wall Audioquest Type 4 which could be had in the long lengths required for a budget would smoke that Sound King stuff.

I'll contribute to the fund, tell me where to send my donation.

RG

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Yup. But what if speaker wire really did make a change, then it should be audible? No? As far as interconnects go, yes, there is just too many to this over here to that back through this loop. But the speaker wires go out from the amps to the speakers........we need to swap to the bestest most ultimate speaker wire claimed stuff to see what happens. And measured!!! Will the response of the speakers change, will it be audible, then is it an improvment or just a change? Or no audible change at all? I really think no change myself.

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The problem is this: the interconnects and source and preamp and all that gear is first in your chain. Imagine that stuff as the window of your house gunked up by grime. The speaker cable change we make is in the backyard. It will be difficult to detect changes through the grimy window. If your interconnects and gear are masking the sound, it's not necessarily true that we'll easily hear the changes garnered by the new speaker cable.

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It's audible, DUP. Even you could hear substantial differences among different cables. Anything that passes signal is audible, and wire passes signal. Now, this doesn't mean the most expensive is the best, nor does it mean that inexpensive brands always sound bad. Such generalizations beg the question. Sometimes merely dressing the cables you have will change the noise factor, or getting them off the floor (I do not recommend cross-dressing, though...). The fact that some cables are more immune to RF than others ought to give you a clue that the dialectric/wrapping materials are important. Jeff is right -- the earlier in the chain you make changes, the more they affect the sound upstream. Speakers dominate timbre and tonal balance, but other components certainly contribute to the overall sound, cables among them. Cheers, Clifton.

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What y'all need is the new "Klarifying Kable" by Igor Toofenbuns, the founder of Lynne.

These cables actually reassemble the original signal that went into the source - digital or analog!

Worth checking out.

Lirpa Lab's founder, Dr. Loof, uses it as his reference.

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DUP's gear.

DUP - A lot of that stuff is daisy chained, no? This is why I fear we might not hear the changes downstream at the speaker cable level.

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Lotsa gazintas and guzoutas...BUT the signal being used is only following one path Depending on which CD player I am using at the time..So, it really doesn't matter, cus you are only listening to one at a time. SACD goes into pre amp to phase inverters, to VANALSTINE amps....If i use a CD player it goes into Vanalstine Ultra DAC into pre amp, into Phase inverters into amps to speakers.....doesn't matter what else really is hooked up, you is only hearing the one in use. If the change, improvemnt, degradation is AUDIBLE ya still gonna hear it. If ya had 10 CD/sACD players into a pre amp you are still listening to the one in use right? Now is some of these incredible wires only work to improve simple setups, then why would recording studios want to use these magic wires, as some claim they have installed and teh recording dudes say they hear an improvement....They have all kinds of gazintas and gazoutas....route it hear over there between here....How many connections are in those mixing boards?

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Now the AC power is also going through another set of Furmans PF correction units for all 3 lines. These then feed the other 3 conditioners/surge/spike etc. large amps with very large AC line transfomers are one big inductive load to the line, the PF correction may help slighty improve true/apparent power stop it from being such are large inductive load, it basiclly puts some large capitance across the lines....no magic, just baisc electrical propertys. Furman doesn't claim any magic what so ever, just basic designs. Well made stuff, with cool volt and current displays....sucking about 18A for teh system when cranking it, with an improved PF, it may just help it a bit...I'm sure it's not HPF, which needs to be at least 90% and above, anything less is still LOW PF...too much reactive loading, one way or the other capacitance or inductance, wastes POWER, causes the need for larger lines due to extra unutilized current wasted. How come no high end makers talk about PF, it critical in all kinds of enviorments, it matters. It also affects your electric bill

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Here's a good link for some DIY cable. You can buy bulk high-quality coax cable and roll your own:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/ubyte2e.html
I used the following for both speaker wire and for long-run interconnects. Really cheap and in dual runs:
http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.as...96&id=10766

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I've heard NFS's rig. Those wires outperform the 10,000 dollar cables.

It's because the extra ingredient is love.

Seriously, though, he gets some great signal carrying!

I've not heard better.

It's better than my wire...

Mike, make me some!

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As has been mentioned, cables that maintain a perfect vacuum, stuff to spray on your perfectly insulated cables at $40/bottle, etc. etc. stretch belief. If there is an honest cable maker out there, one would think they would bring false advertising charges against the charlatans who maintain perfect vacuum states without pumps. I own Transparent, but maybe I had more money than good sense.

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Best for less, no work involved either, AND warranty... http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&DID=7&WebPage_ID=211

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Carol cable.....and they even pay to have it UL listed for use in wall etc...No magic, just wire, made by a wire maker, not a marketing company. http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=100-740

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Can do!!! Let me know and we'll order some of that dual coaxial cable and get you running. We can solder off the speaker jacks you have and recycle them as well. What do you think, about 200 feet to replace all your wires for stereo and home theater?

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