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Machina Dynamica introduces a new product - Animal Magnetism

Machina Dynamica is pleased to announce a brand new product, Animal Magnetism Cable Collars for all interconnects, power cords and speaker cables. These flexible 4" long "1/2" diameter cable collars are attached to the outside of cable jackets, for best results cable collars should be attached to the entire length of the cable. Principle of operation is absorption of the self induced magnetic field that's produced by current flowing through a conductor. Animal Magnetism Cable Collars provide Tremendous drive, detail and bass response by reducing noise and distortion in the system. This just might be the biggest thing in audio since the invention of wire.

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Vegetal Magnetism Collars also available

Made of genuine fresh leek leaves, collected on full moon night at midnight precisely by certified (I tested them) virgins. Principle of operation is vitamin C injection into cable insulation.

Cabbage version available on request!

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Hey, Mods!

Costin is picking on me again. Could you oblige him with a good spanking?

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Not before you explain how your collars work!
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Principle of operation is absorption of the self induced magnetic field that's produced by current flowing through a conductor.

So, let's get real:
1. How do they do it, i.e. how do they absorb the self induced magnetic field bla-bla-bla?
2. What about shielded cables? If no EMF goes through the shield what can your thingies absorb?
3. How would this absortion reduce noise and distortion in the system?

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Let's get real
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Principle of operation is absorption of the self induced magnetic field that's produced by current flowing through a conductor.

So, let's get real:
1. How do they do it, i.e. how do they absorb the self induced magnetic field bla-bla-bla?
2. What about shielded cables? If no EMF goes through the shield what can your thingies absorb?
3. How would this absortion reduce noise and distortion in the system?

Let's get Real? Are you drunk? EMF is not the same thing as the magnetic field, not even close. As fate would have it the magnetic field is not stopped or absorbed by the shield which is put there to keep RFI out. If you have any of your moldy old signal processing text books lying around you might want to consider digging them out and looking up the Right Hand Rule for how a magnetic field is generated in cables.

The ball is in your court.

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Yep, EMF stands for Electro-Magnetic Field

And sorry, you can't have one without another (Al Bundy).
As for shielding, it shields both ways: just measure if you don't believe.
So the ball is still in your court, and I'm still waiting for answers. If you have them, of course, since I see you got into your old mantra of ridicule, ridicule etc. (looks like debunkery methods work both ways, no wonder you took the time to study them).

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Let's define terms (where are those moldy old text books?)
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And sorry, you can't have one without another (Al Bundy).
As for shielding, it shields both ways: just measure if you don't believe.
So the ball is still in your court, and I'm still waiting for answers. If you have them, of course, since I see you got into your old mantra of ridicule, ridicule etc. (looks like debunkery methods work both ways, no wonder you took the time to study them).

EMF is the signal traveling down the wire.

Magnetic field, in Gauss, the induced magnetic field produced by current flowing down wire. See Right Hand Rule. Magnetic field is not EMF or RFI.

RFI - Radio Frequency Interference, external electromagnetic fields that can interfere with the signal traveling down the wire if wire is unshieled.

Shielding - protects the signal in the wire from external RFI. Shielding does not absorb, only shield. So shielding is of no help for anything objectionable in the wire, I.e. Magnetic field or RFI.

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RFI - Radio Frequency Interference, external electromagnetic fields that can interfere with the signal traveling down the wire if wire is unshieled.

So the shield protects the wire from external EMF but does not shield the outer world from EMF generated by the wires? Such a joke!

Each wire has a self-induced current and is also subject to the current induced by the other wire. Now let's suppose the wires are not individually shielded (which they are, in most high performance cables), how can your external "thingie" absorb only the mutually induced magnetic field but not the self-induced one?

Still waiting for a clear answer... If you have one, obviously!

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RFI - Radio Frequency Interference, external electromagnetic fields that can interfere with the signal traveling down the wire if wire is unshieled.

So the shield protects the wire from external EMF but does not shield the outer world from EMF generated by the wires? Such a joke!

Each wire has a self-induced current and is also subject to the current induced by the other wire. Now let's suppose the wires are not individually shielded (which they are, in most high performance cables), how can your external "thingie" absorb only the mutually induced magnetic field but not the self-induced one?

Still waiting for a clear answer... If you have one, obviously!

My thingie absorbs all magnetic fields anywhere in the vicinity. No matter how ridiculous you wish to make the situation appear. Is that clear enough for you? Shall I draw you a picture?

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Are you inebriated again?
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RFI - Radio Frequency Interference, external electromagnetic fields that can interfere with the signal traveling down the wire if wire is unshieled.

So the shield protects the wire from external EMF but does not shield the outer world from EMF generated by the wires? Such a joke!

Each wire has a self-induced current and is also subject to the current induced by the other wire. Now let's suppose the wires are not individually shielded (which they are, in most high performance cables), how can your external "thingie" absorb only the mutually induced magnetic field but not the self-induced one?

Still waiting for a clear answer... If you have one, obviously!

My thingie absorbs all magnetic fields anywhere in the vicinity. No matter how ridiculous you wish to make the situation appear. Is that clear enough for you? Shall I draw you a picture?

A rich man has about as much chance of entering audio Nirvana as a camel has of passing through the eye of a needle. - Old audiophile expression

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I've either had too much bourbon

Or Geoff is in need of instructions on how to edit a post.

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It's quantum physics
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Or Geoff is in need of instructions on how to edit a post.

Think of it as you would the single slit experiment. Or the single malt experiment. Whatever.

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No need to get nasty

...and bring Scotch into this.

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The explanation is crystal-clear!

Your thingie absorbs anything, just like a Pampers.
Does it need to be replaced o a regular basis (or the absorbed magnetic field will start stinking) or is it washable?

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Why, do you wear Pampers?
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Your thingie absorbs anything, just like a Pampers.
Does it need to be replaced o a regular basis (or the absorbed magnetic field will start stinking) or is it washable?

I don't care if you have magnetic monkeys flying out of your butt, I will not allow ANY magnetic fields to interfere with the precious signal.

"Education is what's left when you subtract all you forgot about what you learned in school." - Old audiophile expression

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I don't care if you have magnetic monkeys flying out of your butt, I will not allow ANY magnetic fields to interfere with the precious signal.

May I suppose you don't have a WiFi network, or that it works like shit?
Too bad one of my remotes uses RF, I won't be able to test your thingie in my system.

P.S. Guess what, there are plenty of magnetic fields all around you, starting with the (weak) signals from the FM radio station, going through all the cellular antennas in your neighborhood and even the (non-shielded) motor of your washer... So short of closing your system in a Faraday cage, no can do!

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Snark Alert - Earth's magnetic field's too obvious, I guess
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I don't care if you have magnetic monkeys flying out of your butt, I will not allow ANY magnetic fields to interfere with the precious signal.

May I suppose you don't have a WiFi network, or that it works like shit?
Too bad one of my remotes uses RF, I won't be able to test your thingie in my system.

P.S. Guess what, there are plenty of magnetic fields all around you, starting with the (weak) signals from the FM radio station, going through all the cellular antennas in your neighborhood and even the (non-shielded) motor of your washer... So short of closing your system in a Faraday cage, no can do!

The weak signals from radio stations are not magnetic fields. Hel-loo! Neither are cellular signals. And a Faraday cage keeps out electric fields, not magnetic fields. Geez, this is going nowhere fast. And I'm getting pretty damn tired of typing Hel-loo! So let me ask, have you given any consideration to calling for backup?

If someone tells me a thing is almost impossible I interpret that to mean it is actually possible.

Tootles,

Geoff Kait
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