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Stephen Mejias
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Jan Vigne banned

We have banned Jan Vigne from the forum.

I have tried, John Atkinson has tried, Ariel Bitran has tried, and members of the forum have tried to assist Jan Vigne in becoming a valuable, productive, sociable member of our community, but Jan simply could not function within the group.

Jan's contributions turned regularly to hostility. Jan's contributions worked to derail threads so that his behavior and personality became the focus of discussion. And, ultimately, we felt Jan's behavior dissuaded others from participating and prevented new members from joining.

It's always unpleasant to have to ban a member of our forum, but we feel this is the right decision and we hope it helps to make the forum a better place.

Catch22
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Good move

Struther Martin in Cool Hand Luke comes to mind.

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Couldn't agree more. You

Couldn't agree more.

You guys had enormous patience with him.

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While I agree with the

While I agree with the determination, it's still sad. Jan has some real knowledge and could be an asset.

Unfortunately he has been banned from numerous forums. Most are much less patient with him than our moderators here.

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It had to be done

I personally thought it should have been done a while back, but better late than never. Time to bring in some fresh contributers!

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I was a little surprised by

I was a little surprised by this announcement, which led me to look in the GR forum and there was a good answer. It is never a good idea to get into a prolong public pissing contest with the admin on any forum. For any new person reading this it is a great place to hang out and do what you want but if you cross a line and the admin tells you so it is probably best to take the advice. I've been there and it is not hard to admit I went too far on something and "moveon.org".

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This is sad, but not surprising

I am not a member of any other forum, however, I do visit some from time to time. I have seen that Jan Vigne is very knowledgeable. He is also insecure and prone to bullying anyone who disagrees with him, knows something he doesn't or posts a fact before he does. This last almost always followed by him arguing with whoever posts the fact, then he turns around and posts the same fact in another thread.

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I see why you did it

While reading posts about room treatment I came across some rather confrontational, argumentative and frankly childish "baiting" by Mr. Vigne.  What a shame because my first impression of the man was that he was well informed and cool calm and collected when his opinion was challenged.

Let this be a lesson to all of us.  Unfriendly nasty argumentative discourse does nothing whatsoever to advance our shared enthusiasm for this hobby.  End of rant.  Peace.  Out.

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@Doctor Fine

Sometimes even nice people lose their patience!
Just think that you ask a decent question and the "answer" is a non-related (and irrelevant) quote addressing a different subject.
Just think that you rephrase the question, insisting in getting an answer and the answer forces a similitude of subjects not applicable to our hobby.
Just think that you still insist, only to get derided because a) you don't get it, b) you are obsessed, c) the other guy cannot explain things at your "low" level of understanding.

Now you're left with just two choices: let it go or become argumentative. Oh yeah, there is a third choice - if you can afford it, of course - start an all-out assault and debunk the guy's credentials... But if you do it, at least you're going to take it to the end and publish all over the 'net, collateral casualties or not!

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