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How about more genres for audio software?
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Like World, R&B, Soul, Industrial, Soundtracks, Country, Techno, Dance, Drum N Bass, Reggae, Hip Hop, Trip Hop, EBM, IDM, Dub, Blues, Punk, Heavy, Metal, Thrash, Electronica, Downtempo, Alternative, Folk, Indie, New Age, Pop, Electro, Ska, Rocksteady, Brit Pop, Psychedelic, Math Rock, Noise, Garage, Delta, Cajun, Trance, Ambient, Krautrock, Jungle, Experimental, DJ Mix, Turntablism, Compilations, Breaks, Big Band, Jazz Fusion, Swing, Hard Bop, Cool Bop, Avant-garde, Bebop, Gypsy, Bossa Nova, New Age, British Invasion, Classic Rock, Oldies, Hard Rock, Progressive Rock, Opera, Surfer, Stoner, Disco, Funk, Urban, Dancehall, 7" Releases, 12" Releases, Singles, Flamenco, Tango, and Salsa (sorry if I've left many out - I know I am missing many).

Come on Mr. Robert Baird, let's get on the ball. This is about the third or fourth request for more Music Genres. Just how many more requests will it take before something finally happens?

Still waiting....................................................

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I suspect he may be waiting for there to be more than two posts per day among the existing categories.

Lots of empty forums would not be that cool.

How about we start threads about those topics and show our level of interest?

I promise to help!

New releases, favorites, let's just go do it.

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I suspect he may be waiting for there to be more than two posts per day among the existing categories.

Lots of empty forums would not be that cool.

How about we start threads about those topics and show our level of interest?

I promise to help!

New releases, favorites, let's just go do it.

Does that mean we have to end up with forums like "Jazz At The Pawn Shop", "Kind Of Blue", "Famous Blue Raincoat", "Casino Royale", "Great Sound, Crappy Artist", "Mikey Likes It aka I Can't Think For Myself", "All Time Best Catalog Numbers" and my all time favorite "Forget the Back Wall of the Recording Studio, I Can See Her Tonsils!!"

Not doubt about it, I'm back and I'm just a little pee-oohed (sp?).

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No.

How about we start a thread about a certain subgenre of whatever type you like in the "Rock" section and prove that we have things to talk about?

We can go start a reggae thread or Senegalise music thread or whatnot and with an enthusistic response, we will give them reason to help expand the forums.

Let's show them the need for their work.

I'll meet you there, you can even have first topic!

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Buddha, my friend, while I do get a little discouraged sometimes with this forum I wasn't really serious about those sub-forum names. Dealing with this audiophile crowd can get a little trying to say the least. That's why I like to pick on their sacred cows every now and then, well maybe more often then that

For example, I've been writing about what's going on over at archive.org as far as 24 bit/96kHz recording is concerned and very few people seem to be interested. Granted it falls well outside the normal boundaries of high end audio but who cares. We, the consumers and users of high end audio, should be the ones defining those boundaries, not only the Mikeys, HPs, Gordon Holts and John Atkinsons of the world. And forums like this one give us that voice and that chance and yet still many of us chose to fall back on the same old tired warhorses. And call me naive but I truly believe that John Atkinson would more than likely agree with me.

Sure I got fancy cables and a kickass Linn turntable but when I'm in the music forums I don't really want to be reading about same old overpriced audiophile dreck (I'm refering to music, not equipment) I've been reading about for years in the high end magazines - please!!!

Sorry for the rant but I just needed to clear the air a bit.

As for the rock music forum, I will meet you over there and once again bring up the topic of archive.org, since most of the music found there is rock music.

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I've been writing about what's going on over at archive.org as far as 24 bit/96kHz recording is concerned and very few people seem to be interested.

I'm interested. This site is awesome!

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Thanks John,

I only know you though your years at the helm of Stereophile, your writing and via this forum but somehow I knew that your head and heart are in the right place. I don't know how far along you've gotten as far as downloading and listening to some of the shows available on archive.org, particularly the hi-res ones, but once you get there by all means let me know what you think. Some of those folks over at archive.org are well past the cutting edge and hanging over the bleeding edge, as they say.

Per chance, do you have any comments on my little rant from my prior post?

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Relax over there Jazzfan. Take a deep breath, pour yourself nice stiff bourbon and allow me, if you will a few comments re your recent outbursts.

Where to start, you

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Boy oh boy, I can win for losing.

I try to make nice and not ruffle too many feathers and everyone thinks that I've gone soft or something.

I go back to my old, impassioned ranting ways and I'm told to take a chill pill.

So what's it gonna be? Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde?

Look, I'm well aware that I go off some rather caustic rants but they are only to stir the pot, so to speak. And I certainly can take the criticism and negative feedback, heck, that's part of the fun!

And believe me, I can rip some pretty big holes in my own sacred cows, in fact, it's one of the reasons I dislike sacred cows so much. Clay footed gods and the like.

As for the hi-res download, forgive me for my over enthusiasm. I know that most (if not all) of the groups on archive.org will not be familiar to most people on this forum and that the file sizes are HUGE but I still feel that there is something quite special happening, on occasion, over there and I just wanted to point this out.

This may not make any sense but let me give you an example of the kinds of things that I find interesting.

I listen to a radio show every morning called "Bird Flight" on a local college station here in NYC hosted by one Phil Schapp, the self appointed keeper of all things Charlie Parker. Phil is not what you would call an audiophile and yet he cares deeply about the music, so deeply in fact that he hates any kind of digital noise reduction system or signal processing and he has hated them for quite some time. In fact he hated digital long before anyone else did. But he's by no means an audiophile.

And many of those "tapers" over at archive.org can't stand any type of compressed audio format, e.g. mp3, wma, etc., and put statements on their uploads prohibiting converting the files into those formats. And yet these people are not audiophiles.

What I'm trying to say is that people can reach the same destination from many different paths. What it's about is the love of good music and hearing that music in the highest possible fidelity. Different people get there in different ways but we all have something in common - the love of music.

Someday soon the old school of high end audio is going to fade away and this little world could use some new blood. If these people over at archive.org care enough about music and how it sounds to know that mp3s suck and that 24 bit/96 kHz is better than 16 bit/44.1 kHz (or worse yet DAT) than I say, let's get them into the fold and show how much nicer all that music sounds on real nice playback system.

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So what's it gonna be? Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde?

I love em both. Keep it comin'

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You're more fun when you rant, Jazzfan, but sometimes it makes you blind to simple reasons why we don't all follow your lead. Imagine those huge downloads through a dial-up connection. Why don't I have a faster link? I'd rather buy great 45rpm jazz records. The pursuit of higher fidelity sound through computer downloads can wait until I've acquired all the music I want that's available to me through established high fidelity media.

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You're more fun when you rant, Jazzfan, but sometimes it makes you blind to simple reasons why we don't all follow your lead. Imagine those huge downloads through a dial-up connection. Why don't I have a faster link? I'd rather buy great 45rpm jazz records. The pursuit of higher fidelity sound through computer downloads can wait until I've acquired all the music I want that's available to me through established high fidelity media.

Thanks for the feedback Mr. Skate.

It's not so much "the pursuit of higher fidelity sound through computer downloads" that I'm after but also the acquiring of music thru high speed computer downloads. Sure it's a touchy subject that no one wants to talk about but it happens. And I'm not talking about crappy sounding mp3s - I mean lossless, high quality files which are then converted back to exact digital copies of the original CD. And they're all still out there in cyberspace, if you know were to look

Besides there are also plenty of quite legal high quality downloads to be had, places like the archive.org site and many performers offering flac files of their live and studio releases for purchase/download online. The Grateful Dead have almost their entire back catalog available for purchase/download in several different file formats.

I guess one of the reasons that I'm so enamored with the quality of some of the recording on archive.org is that as a long time jazz fan and collector of Grateful Dead and Bob Dylan (among others) bootlegs, I've been listening to live music recordings of varying quality for many years. So the Charlie Hunter Trio I recommended isn't going to make it onto HP's superdisc list, it's still light years ahead of "Monk and Coltrane Live at the Five Spot" and even better than some more recent official live releases I've heard.

You know that "Gold Sounds" CD that Wes and I were raving about late last year? Well that group was even better live because that's how most music should be heard and experienced but since many of us have jobs or don't live near where the music is playing we can only listen at home through our fancy stereos. Call me a fool if you will, but I like a good mix of live recordings thrown in with my "official" studio releases, just to hear if the players are their toes.

See I can go on a rant without making fun of anyone.

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You know that "Gold Sounds" CD that Wes and I were raving about late last year? Well that group was even better live because that's how most music should be heard and experienced but since many of us have jobs or don't live near where the music is playing we can only listen at home through our fancy stereos. Call me a fool if you will, but I like a good mix of live recordings thrown in with my "official" studio releases, just to hear if the players are their toes.

Can't tell you how many live performances I've attended, leave extremely jazzed, rush out and purchase the CD, load it in the system and come away dissapointed. However, I often experience the same with the live recording vs. the studio. Amazing how live musicians through a less than stellar PA system can convey things our systems can only hint of.

Note to self: Forget soundstaging, imaging, microdynamics...get out and hear more live music. There is still no substitute for "being there".

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I suspect he may be waiting for there to be more than two posts per day among the existing categories.

By the way, Buddha is absolutely right about this.

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Forget soundstaging, imaging, microdynamics...get out and hear more live music. There is still no substitute for "being there".

Words to live by, RG, words to live by.

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I suspect he may be waiting for there to be more than two posts per day among the existing categories.

By the way, Buddha is absolutely right about this.

Well in my effort to try and do my part to correct this, and since there is no category for this post (ahem) I offer the following here:

Here

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RG,

>>SO

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K D Lang gets lots of play time in my room.

I'll give you one to laugh about...Jimmy Buffett! I confess to being a Parrot Head, but all goofyness aside, he can get serious and engaging when he wants to. Try "False Echoes" off of his Banana Wind album and he'll make a believer out of ya. I use several of his tracks to audition new gear and one in particular as a "make or break."

It takes a lot to completely unravel Jamaica Mistaica.

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Now we're havin' some fun!

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k.d. Lang is NOT country!

She's American Traditional.

P.S. I love her more than you do.

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Gotta go with you, RGI, on CW as a recommended additional genre. The fact (sad or happy, I don't know) is that in recent years, some of the best song writing and performing around has been CW. There are some talented people in Nashville.

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When I first met my wife, we were comparing the usual likes and silikes and on my list of dislikes was country music.

After we'd known each other for about a year and she had heard me play the entire catalogs of John Prine and Willie Nelson, plenty of older Bonnie Raitt, the sofeter side of Neil Young, a bunch of Lyle Lovette, the early Rick Rubin Johnny Cash discs, k.d.Lang, a little Dixie Chicks, Steve Earl, Ricky Skaggs, Alison Kraus, Arlo Guthrie, Colin Linden, James McMurtry, etc...she told me one night, "You know, for a guy who hates country music, you sure listen to alot of it!"

I would request, however, that we don't call it that.

"Country" is sequins and big hair, rebel flag bumper stickers, wife beater t-shirts, and mullets.

"American Traditional" is the good stuff. Could you indulge me a little?

By the way, Lyle Lovette is the male equivalent of k.d.Lang for hi fi goodness. His discs are, for the most part, impeccable!

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To Robert Baird,

Maybe since we all would like more music reviews only because there is so much and so little time maybe Primedia could consider either a monthly or quarterly Music Review mag that RB could pilot the clipper ship. There seems to be many possible contributing writers to fill the pages, whether monthly or quarterly. Just a thought. There is certainly enough software companies wanting to sell us CDs and LPs to help support such an effort...I would think. Every writer currently at "Phile" could contribute as well.

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Buddha, call it whatever the hell ya want, but please don't change the title of this thread.

Don't ya see what we're trying to do here? Take a look at the "last 24 hours" page.

BTW...Down here in Texas....It's country...Bubba!

RG

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Good gosh Jim, we can't even get a few more categories in which to post here on the forum!

RG

PS: Just trying to fill up the "Last 24 hours" page.

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You know, we should start a list of some kind here. Some long pieces, some short. Maybe 50-word limit reviews in one area or something.

And we gotta use something other than star symbols or numerical rankings. No letter grades, either.

Maybe some gifs!

For heavy metal, it could rocks, or for jazz, martini glasses...but I digress.

...as long as I'm digressing, for popular music reviews and releases, I am a big fan of (and subscribe to) Q Magazine from England.

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I agree. I think we should keep it as light and FUN as possible. I love Jazzfans' "I can see her tonsils". Think how many artists from different genres could be dropped in to that category, and almost no review needed at all.

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k.d. Lang is NOT country!

She's American Traditional.

P.S. I love her more than you do.

I beg to differ, she's Canadian Traditional.

And Kasey Chambers would be Australian Traditional.

And I love Kasey Chambers more than you do and I even have an autographed hat to prove it, so there

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Canadian Traditional?

Country of origin designates musical style now?

What, is she from Nashville, Alberta?

Does that mean that Joni Mitchell plays Canadian Folk?

Neil Young's "After The Gold Rush" is somehow specifically indicative of the Yukon?

Sorry. Just sitting here waiting for the artichokes to steam and trying to get a mental image of Canadian Traditional music in my brain...Leonard Cohen has to figure in there somewhere but I'm not sure where...time for a glass of wine....maybe Neil was singing about the Yukon.

Cheers, amigo!

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I like your idea and I had a similiar idea along the lines of something I wrote earlier about us, the users of high end audio, defining the boundaries.

Why don't we, the members of the Stereophile Forum, make up our own anti HP Super Disc, Mikey's not listening to, I'd rather live than die, music we happen to think sounds really good when played on our BIG RIGS List. Or based the last 20 or so posts to this thread, "Toys For Tots" for short.

It would work something like this.

Someone would post message naming a favorite recording that they have been using for years to evaluate equipment or that they feel just sounds particularly wonderful and has somehow been overlooked by the high end gods. Hey come on now, we all have a couple of favorites tucked up our sleeves.

If the recording didn't meet with my approval, I would then write some caustic comment not too cleverly couched as humor. RG would then respond by telling me what a pompous ass I am, after which I would sheepishly apologize and everything would eventually get sorted out.

Once the recording made it to the list, Jeff Wong would give us a complete listing of every LP, CD, SACD, and DVD-Audio issue of the item, including catalog numbers and comprehensive rantings based on sound quality.

And lastly, Buddha would say "that's really cool" and Jim would tell us how he's been meaning to check out that recording out but there's only so much time....

Gee and I thought my thread was going to be the party thread

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I guess it's true that Canada just gets no respect.

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k.d. Lang is NOT country!

She's American Traditional.

P.S. I love her more than you do.

I beg to differ, she's Canadian Traditional.

And Kasey Chambers would be Australian Traditional.

And I love Kasey Chambers more than you do and I even have an autographed hat to prove it, so there

Last time I checked, Canada was in North AMERICA. I have never understood the usage of "American" to mean United States, while leaving the rest of the Americas.

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k.d. Lang is NOT country!

She's American Traditional.

P.S. I love her more than you do.

I beg to differ, she's Canadian Traditional.

And Kasey Chambers would be Australian Traditional.

And I love Kasey Chambers more than you do and I even have an autographed hat to prove it, so there

Last time I checked, Canada was in North AMERICA. I have never understood the usage of "American" to mean United States, while leaving the rest of the Americas.

See what I mean, I'm always get beat up around here. I have to call it night, pour myself a bourbon and go lick my wounds

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Type 1 Turing Machine? (serial computer)
Turing Test?
Type 2 Turing Machine? (self replication)

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Well I don't know about the rest of you guys but I like my role in Jazzfans' proposal!

Zeriously, we could come up with somethin' fun if we keep brainstorming. But we need participation, soooo let's hear from you other guys.

It was great to see Jim's post on Buble'. Who knew Buddha was listening to all that country crap, which I love. Lyle Lovett...hell ya! Always has a bad ass band.

And for the sake of simplicity, please...it's Country, or C&W, or Modern Country.

RG

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Canada? That's just North of Dallas isn't it?

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I don't know Lyle Lovett or anything like that, but I did get to meet and spend a few minutes with him New Years Eve at his Y2k blast here in Austin. He's very shy and very tall. It didn't take long for the local politicians to start coming out of the woodwork and screw everything up for everybody. Great outdoor concert and his "Large Band" is really a large band!

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By the way, Lyle Lovette is the male equivalent of k.d.Lang for hi fi goodness. His discs are, for the most part, impeccable!

Had my bourbon, licked some wounds and I'm back for more abuse.

No really, I've been hip to Lyle Lovett for quite awhile too. And I quite agree with Buddha regarding the sound quality of Lyle's recordings. Of all his releases that I'm familiar with (and that's just about all of them), I would have to say that "Step Inside This House" rates as the best sounding of the bunch. And the songs ain't too bad either. Highly recommended.

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Back in the 80s, I saw k.d. lang open for Lyle Lovett at the Ritz, and she stole the show. He paled by comparison. After the gig, I was like, "Lyle who?"

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Great double bill/then-unknown-opening-act combo. I've got quite a few of those and normally I would just start another thread with a new topic like "Great Double Bills" or something. However, I agree with with RG and think we should just continue to post to this one thread until they, as in "the man", as in "the powers that be", give us what we want, which is more music genres!! (All typed with a raised fist, and that ain't easy!)

So here's a couple of my real choice great double bill/then-unknown-opening-act combos, although due to the ravishes of age, time and drugs my memory of any given event may be somewhat spotty.

Year - early 1970's
Venue - some theater in Staten Island, NY
Main act - The Kinks
Opening act - Yes

Year - early 1970's
Venue - The Palladium, NYC (then known as the 14th Street Theater)
Main act - Traffic
Opening act - Billy Joel

Year - early 1970's
Venue - The Palladium, NYC (then known as the 14th Street Theater)
Main act - J.Geils Band
Opening act - Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band (this doesn't really qualify since the poor Captain is still relatively unknown even at this late date, but it was a great concert nonetheless)

Year - 1974
Venue - Central Park, NYC
Main act - Ann Murray
Opening act - Bruce Springsteen

That covers the seventies. I list some more up to date ones in my next post.

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Great double bill/then-unknown-opening-act combo. I've got quite a few of those and normally I would just start another thread with a new topic like "Great Double Bills" or something. However, I agree with with RG and think we should just continue to post to this one thread until they, as in "the man", as in "the powers that be", give us what we want, which is more music genres!! (All typed with a raised fist, and that ain't easy!)

I would say... S**TKICKERS UNITE! but then I'd have to suffer the wrath of Buddha.


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Year - early 1970's

Venue - some theater in Staten Island, NY

Main act - The Kinks

Opening act - Yes

I saw Yes open for someone, can't remember (I have similiar aging problems) which in itself is your point. I was in the right first few rows in line with the PA and the bass was penetrating to say the least.

Also saw Chicago open for Hendrix - no dissapointment with either act there.


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Year - 1974

Venue - Central Park, NYC

Main act - Ann Murray

Opening act - Bruce Springsteen

Please tell me you were there because this was a free event and you just went to enjoy a day in the park....NOT for the MAIN act!

RG

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OK, party thread!

Opening acts, eh?

1984 or thereabouts, Marshall Crenshaw opening for Joe Jackson at the Concord Pavillion in California.

Buck 65 opening for Moby at the Joint in Vegas, 2004.

Har Mar Superstar opening for The Strokes at the House of Blues, vegas, 2003.

This next one is a bit obtuse:

The guy who played Warren in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer series is named Adam Busch. He also fronts a band called "Common Rotation." Well, that band was the opening act for They Might Be Giants (also at the House of Blues) a year or two ago. You may be thinking, "So, What?" You'd be entitled, but the cool thing is that as the opening act for TMBG, Common Rotation came out and did a set of TMBG covers. How cool is that? An opening act that does all covers of the main attraction? I loved them.

Back to earth...

Peter Tosh opened for the Stones in 1978. I remember bits and pieces and they're pretty good bits and pieces.

I saw the Tom Tom Club open for Talking Heads, would that count?

This is tough.

Keb Mo opening for Jackson Browne at The Aladdin in Vegas.

Lyle Lovette opening for Bonnie Raitt at the same venue.

Sam Kinnison opening for I forget who, but it was a music act.

Big Head Tood and the Monsters at the Warfield in San Fran. He opened for Dave Matthews (not a Dave Matthews fan, but I wanted to see Big Head Todd.) Biggest opening act KO of the main act I think I've seen.

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Year - early 1970's
Venue - some theater in Staten Island, NY
Main act - The Kinks
Opening act - Yes

I saw Yes open for someone, can't remember (I have similiar aging problems) which in itself is your point. I was in the right first few rows in line with the PA and the bass was penetrating to say the least.

Also saw Chicago open for Hendrix - no dissapointment with either act there.


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Year - 1974
Venue - Central Park, NYC
Main act - Ann Murray
Opening act - Bruce Springsteen

Please tell me you were there because this was a free event and you just went to enjoy a day in the park....NOT for the MAIN act!

RG

I gotta take this one by one.

Buddha does not have wrath but rather he would just inflict lots of seriously bad karma upon thee.

Based on the fact that you were of concert going age when Lord Jimi was still earth bound, I would say that your aging problems are somewhat more advanced then mine. As for the memory problems caused by other factors, like recreational mood enhancement substances and proximity to loud PA systems, that is another matter which we can discuss over a nice glass of sour mash.

As for the Springsteen show, no, it wasn't a free concert but it wasn't all that expensive either, just a couple of bucks for a ticket.It was held in what was once an outdoor iceskating rink aas part of an annual summer concert series. Even though Ann Murray was the headliner the majority of the crowd was there to see Bruce and once he finished the place clewared out except for the alternative lifestyle women who had come to hear Murray.

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I forgot a really good opening/main act combo from my college days.

Year - 1977 ? or 1978 ?
Venue - Student Union building, Stony Brook University, NY
Main act - Charles Mingus Quintet
Opening act - Sam Rivers Trio

And I have the tapes to prove it!! I could convert them to a 24 bit/96 kHz DVD-Audio disc but nobody here seems to think much of that idea.

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I suspect he may be waiting for there to be more than two posts per day among the existing categories.

By the way, Buddha is absolutely right about this.

In an effort to try and do my part to correct this, and since there is no "Blues" category for this post (ahem) I offer the following here:

Ever go thru your collection only to discover

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I'm sure there are many people who get the blues upon finding out there is no Blues sub-catagory in the Sterophile forums.

Thanks for the recommendation RG. Sounds like it would go well with the adult beverage of my choice and fine lady at my side.

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I'm starting to think that 1956-1963 or so was the peak of recording technology meeting talent.

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I suspect he may be waiting for there to be more than two posts per day among the existing categories.

By the way, Buddha is absolutely right about this.

Following in RG's keystokes, and in an effort to try and do my part to correct this, and since there is no "Reggae" or even "World Music" category for this post (ahem) I offer the following here:

Burning Spear - Our Music (2005)

This is the latest release from one Winston Rodney, who's been cranking out the reggae music for more than thirty years. While a lot of reggae can be filled with the sounds of drum machines and other less than desirable instrumentation, a Burning Spear record always has real musicians playing real music on real instruments. And the recording quality is, as always, first rate.

Winston's reggae is what is known as roots reggae, which is the similiar in style to the reggae first made popular by the great Bob Marley. Fueled by a strong back beat, filled with images of Jah and carrying a positive social message, it is a music of hope and renewal, full of live and love. And the Burning One is one of the best roots acts still at it.

There are other kinds of reggae, like lover's rock, dancehall, and dub but without a sub-catagory it's kinda tough to have a nice discussion about such a wonderful art form.

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I think that 1965-1972 was the peak for drug technology meeting musical talent.

1965 - LSD is legal in California
-----The Great Haze In Between-----
1972 - Rolling Stones record "Exile On Main Street"

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Sorry to dampen the spirit of this thread, but

http://www.anthonyburger.com/

Anthony Burger, the spectacular lead pianist for the Gaither Vocal Band and the Gaither Homecoming Videos died of a heart attack at the age of 44 on Feb 22. Info of his passing is on the web site along with his bio. He was one of the most amazing piano players I have ever seen or heard. When you discover how badly he was burned as a child it is amazing that he was able to recover and play like he did. What a terrible loss. He will surely be missed. If you have ever seen or heard him play you will understand.

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