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Hello everyone. I have a lot of questions!
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Welcome.

If Pirate's Press presses it's vinyl from CDs, why would anyone buy an LP?

The assertion that 90% of LPs are cut from CDs is flat wrong. Some are copied from digital masters, but DSD masters at 5.6MHz are way beyond CD-quality.

Others will chime in with advice about an inexpensive TTs.

Dave

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The Rega and the Project would both be good choices I think. I bought a Debut III ($100 cheaper), and listen to some indie-experimental on it no problem. Depending on your integrated amp you might need a phono, so the $100 might come in handy for your budget.

You can definatly get some good gear for $1000~. The speakers that you were looking at, I don't think have the low frequency extension that you want. They go down to 65hz, and looking at some of your type of music 40hz is the number I would aim for. Try looking at some PSB speakers mabey, do you have room for Towers? For the amp I saw someone on here is selling a NAD 325Bee.

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yes, i have room for towers. space is not really an issue

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The P1 is a great table, and you're even more fortunate in that the types of music you prefer will not highlight its shortcomings. About the only thing the P1 has trouble with is speed accuracy, which manifests as pitch instability, particularly on acoustic material with sustained notes, like piano.

I'll second that the Debut III is another good choice at your level, and point out that Pro-Ject also makes a version with the phono preamplifier built into the table, which could be useful if the amplifier you want doesn't have a phono section. If you buy a table without a preamp (which is the vast majority, save for the low-end consumer models) and an amplifier without one, you will need to buy one separately (Plan on spending about $100-150; Look at NAD, Pro-Ject, and Cambridge Audio).

If you have room for towers, you will want a pair. Out of curiosity, what are your room dimensions? Is it open to other rooms? I ask this because a room with the physical space for larger speakers might not necessarily be large enough to support the extra bass extension, and bass will be "boomy" and imprecise.

I recommend buying your speakers used, since you'll be able to afford much more speaker. You can't get a reasonably extended, high quality floorstander for less than about $700 new, which would blow most of your budget. I think you'd really like the larger Paradigms, which are easy to drive, have good power handling, good low frequency extension, and are very musically accurate. I own a pair of 7se MkIII's, and wouldn't part with them. You should look at 7, 9, and 11se models, as well as Monitor 9 and 11. You can get a nice pair for $300-500 (check Audiogon).

Take a look at NAD amplifiers, which have loads of power, and are reasonably priced. You might be able to find a C370 or 372 used, either of which would drive the snot out of the Paradigms.

If you need a CD player, Oppo make one for $170 (DV-980H) that sounds excellent, and will play virtually any format of disc. You'll need a TV for setup, which is about the only drawback.

Good luck and welcome to the forum! This hobby is a lot of fun and will definitely connect you to your favorite music in a new way.

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Holy sh*t I finally have a brother-in-metal-arms over here. I'm another young gun listening to crazy ass punk/hardcore/metal (currently have darkthrone's "Under a Funeral Moon" on the decks) through "entry level" gear. I'd totally reccomend going with the project or the rega, they're both great money. The project is good because sumiko (their american distributor) has an awesome upgrade deal that helped me move from the original Debut to an expression III and from the oyster to the BPS Evo III over the years. The NAD is a good deal as well.

What I really reccomend though is saving up the cash and spending on a solid integrated amp like a NAD a cambridge, rotel, or if you get the bank together a linn classic or a primaluna/cayin/yaqin unit. At your price point the TT's will all be "good" for everything. Hell, I started on an unmodified Technics 1200 and it worked for over half a decade.


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I wanted to make a post here because I may potentially be sinking a lot of money into this, and I have very little knowledge on the vinyl realm, and stereo equipment in general. Just want to make sure I don
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I recommend buying your speakers used, since you'll be able to afford much more speaker. You can't get a reasonably extended, high quality floorstander for less than about $700 new, which would blow most of your budget. I think you'd really like the larger Paradigms, which are easy to drive, have good power handling, good low frequency extension, and are very musically accurate. I own a pair of 7se MkIII's, and wouldn't part with them. You should look at 7, 9, and 11se models, as well as Monitor 9 and 11. You can get a nice pair for $300-500 (check Audiogon).

were these some of the pairs you were talking about? http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1215044183
http://cgi.ebay.com/Paradigm-Monitor-7-S...1QQcmdZViewItem

links are helpful

my room is approximately 17x14 feet. considering the furniture/setup of the room, i actually don't know if floorstanding speakers would work. however, i wouldn't mind setting up the sound system in my basement, which is much bigger and could easily fit some floor speakers.

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Yep, those are a couple of the speakers I was talking about.

Your living room is probably large enough to accommodate floorstanders, but I'd avoid putting speakers in an environment compromised by furniture and aesthetic considerations. Placement is very important, much more so than many people realize or plan for. If you are able to place the speakers more ideally in the basement, by all means, put your system there. It's nice to have a space that allows you to experiment with distance from the front wall, side walls, and listening position, as well as lateral separation and toe-in.

My room is not an ideal environment, but I've made it as good as it can be by arranging the room around the speakers, not the other way around.

Here is a very good general guide to placement:

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/speakerplacement.html

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Erik B is correct. BUT I would add that having music where you will hear/use it more is more important than the room setup. Life is compromise...

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That's a very good point, Bill.

I should have added a qualifier like "all other things being equal".

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Yep, I was looking at those too, I think they would work well for you. have not heard them, but with room size and
me thinking you would want floor standing speakers, I will say yes. "All things being equal" is a subjective thing (no offensive to anyone).

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Someone in my area is selling these paradigm reference espirit BPs for pretty cheap. how do they compare to the monitor 7 and 9?

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1213298810

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