The Daniel Hertz M1

The Daniel Hertz M1 ($100,000/pair), designed by Mark Levinson (the man), uses a high-frequency horn, a 12” mid-woofer, and an 18” woofer. The stainless steel frame surrounding the horn is said to optimize waveform termination and imaging quality, while those frames surrounding the woofers are used to increase the rigidity of the drivers. The speaker is divided internally into two sections: One section for the horn and 12” driver, damped using sheep’s wool for its high mass and absorptive properties, and one section with two tuned ports for the 18” driver.

As seen here, the M1 is designed to be powered by four Telikos M5 Mono Reference amplifiers ($8000 each): Each channel uses one M5 switched to frequencies above 80Hz and one M5 switched to frequencies below 80Hz. Also in the system was a Telikos M6 preamp ($10,000). The source was a $400 laptop running WAV files from iTunes.

Interesting story: Daniel Hertz (the company) takes its name from the two sides of Mark Levinson’s family. Daniel Levinson was Mark’s father, while Heinrich Hertz (1857-1894), a German physicist and the first to demonstrate the existence of electromagnetic waves, was Mark’s great uncle on his mother’s side.

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tmsorosk's picture

Not one word about what they sound like ?

soulful.terrain's picture

I'll give you one word.

..Beautiful

I came back to this room 5 times before the day was through.

Steve Eddy's picture

The only thing the $100,000 price tag tells me is how much utter contempt Levinson continues to have for his customers. [text deleted by John Atkinson]

tmsorosk's picture

Mark has no doubt built these for a select group , contempt has nothing to do with it . And he is still one of the classiest guys in the business .

Steve Eddy's picture

Selling a $200 retail amplifier for $2,000 is nothing but contempt.

Slapping a few pro drivers in a conventional ported enclosure and asking $100,000 for a pair is nothing but contempt.

If that's what you consider "classy," then I pity you.

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soulful.terrain's picture

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atlaudio's picture

Wow Steve, you think Mark has contempt ?? lol... I guess you didnt read your own comment. Did you hrear about the $150K tube amp at the same show.. or the $125K turntable ?? Burmester sells $70K monoblocks and you need 4 of them to bi-amp... so wake up, Daniel Hertz monos are only $8K.
The Daniel Hertz system did nothing but stun people with its unmatched dymamics and finesse. I sat with Fremer for an hour in this room while we played recording after recording from Michaels private stash of jaw dropping recordings. Mark is not only classy, but he is an amazing individual with a huge heart. This system represents 40 years of being a recording engineer, mastering engineer, professional musician, and audio designer. It is Marks ultimate statement in no compromise audio design, and plenty of us consider it a sheer bargain compared to the other audio gear out there. This system comes from the professional mastering realm and is not just another high end audio system.
The speakers are made in the hundred year old Petrov piano factory in Prague by skilled artisans using hand selected hardwoods in the traditional instrument grade way..not an MDF box sprayed with automotive paint.
I have NEVER heard a HE audio system do what the Daniel Hertz system did at AXPONA...It was simply marvelous.

Steve Eddy's picture
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Wow Steve, you think Mark has contempt ?? lol... I guess you didnt read your own comment. Did you hrear about the $150K tube amp at the same show.. or the $125K turntable ?? Burmester sells $70K monoblocks and you need 4 of them to bi-amp... so wake up, Daniel Hertz monos are only $8K.

So?

In case you missed it, I was specifically referring to the $100,000 speakers.

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The Daniel Hertz system did nothing but stun people with its unmatched dymamics and finesse.

Yes. Good quality pro drivers are pretty good at that, which is why I like them so much myself.

But again, so?

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This system represents 40 years of being a recording engineer, mastering engineer, professional musician, and audio designer.

You mean while he wasn't busy re-badging cheap Chinese-made gear and selling it here for ten times its retail price?

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This system comes from the professional mastering realm and is not just another high end audio system.

So?

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The speakers are made in the hundred year old Petrov piano factory in Prague by skilled artisans using hand selected hardwoods in the traditional instrument grade way..not an MDF box sprayed with automotive paint.

So?

They're fucking BOXES for crying out loud.

You can buy an entire Petrof master grand piano retail for less than half what he's asking for these speakers. Are you saying there's as much going into these speakers as an entire grand piano?

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I have NEVER heard a HE audio system do what the Daniel Hertz system did at AXPONA...

That's because most high end speakers use heavy, inefficient plastic drivers instead of professional drivers using paper cones, compression drivers and horns.

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Daniel Hertz is new Mark Levinson Made In China CONFIRMED's picture

Hey atlaudio: Halt Audio + your blabla on ML... Talk about some subjects you master pls. 

atlaudio's picture

Maybe the contempt you speak of is similar to selling copper litz wire in cotton jacket with paper barreled gold plated BRASS connectors for $185 a foot ???..lol..

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Maybe the contempt you speak of is similar to selling copper litz wire in cotton jacket with paper barreled gold plated BRASS connectors for $185 a foot ???..lol..

Not at all.

First, your math is wrong. A 0.5 meter set of cables is made up of two cables totaling 3.28 feet, not 1.64 feet.

Second, I'm not selling footage. I'm selling complete sets of cables. Actual footage is rather inexpensive, i.e. only $25 difference between a 0.5 meter cable and a 1 meter cable.

Third, I'm not simply pulling cable off a spool, cutting it to length and terminating it. The litz wire doesn't get along with braiding machines. Even when simply trying to braid over it, the litz wire gets mangled.

So it has to be made by hand, from shirring the cotton braid over the wire to the final four strand braiding process. That adds a considerable amount of labor.

Fourth, nothing in the cables or packaging is made in China. Everything is made here in the US with the exception of the banana plugs which are machined in India and plated in the UK, and the paper used for the package label which is made in a 400 year old mill in Germany.

And oh yeah, those paper/phenolic barrels are custom made for me by a master machinist and metal worker with over 30 years of experience and whose career began at NASA's Ames Research Center (said sarcastically though absolutely true).

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atlaudio's picture

Oh .. nice to meet you Mr. glass half empty audio guy.

Petrov Concert Grands are $125K

Next door to this room was YG Acoustics with $119K "f-ing boxes".

Wilson Audio Alexandrias are $148K "f-ing boxes"

Fremers turntable costs more than the Daniel Hertz FULL SYSTEM.

Daniel Hertz electronics are SWISS made.

Red Rose Music rebranded Chinese gear that had Marks tuning inside and did $10M the first year selling out of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in Manhattan. I call that smart business. Perhaps he should have stayed at home selling copper wire with "shirred cotton" and paper barrels. Red Rose Music equipment is rarely on the second hand market because it is still in use with the original buyers.

Obviously you dont get the Daniel Hertz sector of the market. Which is fine...
We're happy you figured out how to spin the copper wire thing into $90 a foot completed half meter product. You are doing the same exact thing in a much smaller scale. Your profit is probably higher percentage-wise anyways.. good for you... keep your market..

To say you hope another person or "son of a bitch" dies broke and living in the streets begging for money
shows exactly how you feel about other human beings and thus transcends into every fiber of your self. You are dark and pitiful.
May you one day find peace.

Steve Eddy's picture
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Petrov Concert Grands are $125K

So?

Their P III grand piano retails for $46,000. Are you saying there's more to a couple of speaker boxes than an entire grand piano?

And it's Petrof, not Petrov.

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Next door to this room was YG Acoustics with $119K "f-ing boxes".

So?

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Wilson Audio Alexandrias are $148K "f-ing boxes"

So?

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Fremers turntable costs more than the Daniel Hertz FULL SYSTEM.

So?

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Daniel Hertz electronics are SWISS made.

So?

You say these things as if they have some sort of inherent meaning as it relates to these $100,000 speakers.

They don't. They're just meaningless obfuscations.

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Red Rose Music rebranded Chinese gear that had Marks tuning inside...

Yes, that was the claim made when he got busted. But there's never been one shred of evidence to support it. Unless Mark's "tuning" was simply adding an IEC connector to the amp.

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...and did $10M the first year selling out of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in Manhattan. I call that smart business.

Sure, if you're a sociopath.

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Perhaps he should have stayed at home selling copper wire with "shirred cotton" and paper barrels. Red Rose Music equipment is rarely on the second hand market because it is still in use with the original buyers.

Yeah, because who would want to admit in public that they bought a $200 amp for $2,000?

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We're happy you figured out how to spin the copper wire thing into $90 a foot completed half meter product. You are doing the same exact thing in a much smaller scale. Your profit is probably higher percentage-wise anyways.. good for you... keep your market..

We?

What, are you Borg?

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To say you hope another person or "son of a bitch" dies broke and living in the streets begging for money
shows exactly how you feel about other human beings and thus transcends into every fiber of your self.

No, that's not how I feel about every other human being. Only how I feel about those who are sociopaths that have nothing but contempt for those they effectively bilk money from.

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Nightspore68's picture

I wish I had seen this room. I didn't know it was a Levinson-related product until after I got home.

tmsorosk's picture

atlaudio , you mean the angry uncouth person above works in the industry and sells cables ?

atlaudio's picture

Everybody in this industry makes profit, its nothing new. I guess there are a few people who live through these forums and the guy above seems to be one of them. Plenty of people have jealousy for someone who does something in this industry they can not and will never do.
I know Mark, this guy does not. Mark is a great person as anyone who knows him can attest. People who hate him just because he is at the top of this game are simply sad individuals. This armchair warrior above would give his left foot to be more successful at "bilking" people than copper litz with cotton for hundreds of dollars instead of loudspeakers for hundreds of thousands.. His "bilk" is weak. Marks is strong. So he's jealous, opinionated, and angry, and spouts off at the mouth like a little kid with a tantrum because he cant do what the big boys do. I dont blame him. It sucks to have unfulfilled aspirations.
Evidently he has been banned from other forums for being juvenile. Its obvious why.
The M1 system is already in a mastering studio in NYC, and an Atlanta mastering studio was asking for one after listening at the show. These are the most picky ears in the industry. Most likely the M7 will be more widespread among audiophiles due to the low $25K per pair price.. its the same as the M1 without the 18" sub.

By the way, Mark is re-mastering a limited edition series of long lost opera music from archival sources in Italy to save the famous La Fenice opera house in Venice. All the proceeds go to La Fenice for much needed upkeep they do not have the money for.

And, yes.... we are the Borg.. We see beyond the human visual spectrum and resistance is futile...

Steve Eddy's picture
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Everybody in this industry makes profit, its nothing new.

Of course not.

But there's a difference between making a reasonable profit and pricing something to the point that it can only be borne out of a certain contempt for those who would pay that price.

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Plenty of people have jealousy for someone who does something in this industry they can not and will never do.

There's no jealousy involved at all with fact that I could never nor would I ever buy $200 retail amplifiers from China, re-badge them, and sell them here for $2,000.

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It sucks to have unfulfilled aspirations.

Naaah. I'm quite content being humble.

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Evidently he has been banned from other forums for being juvenile.

No. I've been banned from other forums because there are those who are intolerant of views and opinions that may be contrary to their own.

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The M1 system is already in a mastering studio in NYC, and an Atlanta mastering studio was asking for one after listening at the show.

So?

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These are the most picky ears in the industry.

What's that supposed to mean?

What exactly is the metric for "picky ears" so that others may judge just how picky theirs are? What, because they bought an M1 system?

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Most likely the M7 will be more widespread among audiophiles due to the low $25K per pair price.. its the same as the M1 without the 18" sub.

So?

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By the way, Mark is re-mastering a limited edition series of long lost opera music from archival sources in Italy to save the famous La Fenice opera house in Venice. All the proceeds go to La Fenice for much needed upkeep they do not have the money for.

So?

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soulful.terrain's picture

The envy of successful designers in the audio industry is not much different than jealous leftist/socialists that want to penalize successful business owners/employers with taxes, fines, or jail because of wealth envy. "they make too much money" is the mantra.

Mark Levinson took a gamble back in the 70's and it paid off. CONGRATULATIONS! He should enjoy all the fruits of his labors because he took the risk initially, and PROVIDED JOBS, Made a GREAT product, the audio public loved it, and he made a profit.

Question:

Has the audio industry benefitted more from Mr. Levinson's designs/ideas or would the industry been better off without Mr. Levinson's contributions?

The answer is easy. Just ask the thousands that have enjoyed Mr. Levinson's products over the years like myself. Not to mention the hundreds of jobs that Mr. Levinson has provided for people so they can feed thier families and prosper.

I wonder how many jobs the vitriolic poster above has provided?

Mark Evans

Heinrich Goldmund's picture

Jealous leftist Socialists? Giggle giggle. That's funny. So that's how you characterize someone who quite correctly characterizes grotesquely overpriced fugly-ass boom box speakers (complete with the chrome accent rings!) as exploitive of the customer? You don’t think $100K is a tad much for something a hobbyist could come up with for $5,000?

Oh yes, Mr. Levinson is a hero of the free market, for sure. And you are right. Ultra Expensive Audiophilia just wouldn’t be nearly so mature in its capacity for idiots who pay ten or twenty times too much for audio gear if it hadn’t been for him. Bravo, Sir, Bravo! Mr. Levinson is to be admired for tapping into the insecurities of rich guys who can drop 250K on a wristwatch. Brilliant, that.

Yes, Mark Levinson is a true economic dynamo, employing hundreds (dozens?) of people over the years, accelerating the velocity of money (in a couple of very small circles, anyway), facilitating prosperity in only the way that a John Galt can do, and single handedly advancing state of the art audio reproduction. We surely wouldn’t have the quality of overpriced audio gear if it wasn’t for geniuses like him. Too bad for the thousands of engineers and acoustics experts who toil in total obscurity who actually developed all the now germane technology that douches like Levinson mark up 20 times and sell to gullible rich dudes to serve their need for conspicuous consumption.

Anyone who has any in-depth knowledge of audio equipment technology knows that so much of high end audio is simply pre-existing technology put in fancy wrappings and promoted with pseudo scientific propaganda and sold for stupefying prices. Guys behind the likes of this Daniel Hertz boom box product are laughing all the way to the bank.

Glory be to free market capitalism! Indeed. More like, “Caveat emptor, bitches!”

Steve Eddy's picture

Question:

What kind of person takes a cheap, Chinese-made amplifier that sells retail for $200, slaps a different name on it and a $2,000 price tag?

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soulful.terrain's picture

Heinrich:

From reading your post, the general overview reveals that you have contention toward wealthy people and thier choice of what to purchase for themselves.

Has it ever occurred to you that wealthy people may not be gullible, they may just really like the audio components in question for some reason or another.

Steve:
The same person that designs a Hyundai Sonata, builds it for $9,000, then turns around and sells it for $22,000.

Example:

If you really feel like Mr. Levinson should, as you say; " I hope the son of a bitch winds up broke and living on the streets begging for change." Then, for continuities sake, you should hope the same for politicians (liberals) that produce NOTHING, but still confiscate billions in taxes of dollars they piss down the drain on failed social programs.

But no one will touch that one. Seems that the vitriol is only reserved for the private businessman.

You see, the idea of the free-market is to build a product someone wants and turn a profit. If that product is cheap, and unreliable, then as a builder you lose. simple. This may or may not be the case with Red Rose Audio.

Point in fact: Nobody FORCES an individual to purchase uber expensive audio gear. It's a choice. No matter the quality. Doesn't some of the responsibility fall upon the consumer to make a wise decision? Educate themselves on the product? God forbid!

And if someone WILLINGLY lays down the hard coin for said gear, because they WANT it, well then, more power to them.

Mark Evans

Heinrich Goldmund's picture

Mr. Evans,

Wow, sure sounds like you got an axe to grind. This stuff must really hit close to home for you. Realizing you paid way too much for some of your audio gear, hmm?

I see you believe the real purveyors of value are businessmen and the great evil is taxes that go to pay for “failed social programs.” What, like Social Security? Doncha know that’s the most successful government program of all time? Clue for you: All those socialist programs are part of system of commons that are a huge improvement over the way you want things to work, which I’m assuming is modeled after governments in third world countries where they don’t “confiscate” the money from rich guys who buy overpriced audio crap from other rich guys whilst sipping fine wine and pontificating about how the etch of the violins is reduced on their pet recording due to the equipment’s use of FETs made by $20/hr line workers at National Semiconductor, engineered by guys making $60K/yr in a company that was an offshoot from the traitorous eight that left Fairchild after leaving Shockley.

But that had absolutely nothing to do with the federal government “confiscating” billions of dollars that were funneled into DOD spending because there was no civilian application for 20 years for that FET for your precious $50,000 Levinson power amp, did it? Oh, but that’s money well spent. Keeping the old spinster down the street from eating dogfood in her old age isn’t. You’re right! We should do away with all that government spending and let the free market reign! That model works so well in the dozens of third world crap puddles that I can name off the top of my head that prosper from unfettered capitalism.

You, sir, are an idiot. Go take an introductory sociology class from your local community college.

By the way, the margins on cars are way lower than what you claimed. And I think the average bear can also appreciate the hundreds of thousands of parts made from a very dense hierarchy of parts manufactures that go into a global car maker that then has to support the vehicle for decades. And the car maker IS the entity that went to all that trouble of designing and building the car, so maybe they should make money on it? Unlike me, if I go to Best Buy and pick up a $100 Blueray player, then stick a decal on it and sell it for $1000. All I’m doing there is helping fools part with their money. But according to you, I should be celebrated for doing so.

Which is precisely the point you aren’t getting about Mr. Levinson and his infamous Red Rose debacle.

Listen, dude. I’ve been inside all this expensive audio gear at some point. Some of it is pretty amazing, and given the tiny market, it has to be expensive if the maker is going to make a decent living at it. I get that. But most of it is just stupidly overpriced, and some of it is truly absurd. Much of that stuff preys on the ignorance and gullible insecurities of guys with way too much money and silly notions of how to spend it. Those guys aren’t buying that junk out of some refined appreciation of special qualities or otherwise unobtainable performance. They are just being taking advantage of.

Or do you think this never happens? And putting a few thousand dollars worth of pro drivers into a big box, adorning it with polished metal rings, and then asking $100,000.00 for them is about as perfect an example of this phenomena as there is.

Yours truly,

Heinrich

soulful.terrain's picture

Heinrich:

You think Social security was a great program?

ahem....There is no money in the ponzi scheme known as 'the social security trust fund"

The treasury's printing presses are keeping that failed program alive by accruing debt on future generations. Yeah right...great program.

Try again.

Furthermore, If you despise wealthy individuals and thier ability to afford expensive gear then thats your business. I just don't see the need to create a class division argument based on your hatred for the wealthy and thier enjoyment of high resolution audio.

Interesting to note that there were two men back in 1848 that felt the same way you do. They spoke of the Bourgeois and the Proletarian. Care to opine?

You sir, are a few synapses short of a coherent thought.

Seniors eating dog food, people dying in the streets, starvation, thirst, total pandemonium. BULLCRAP!

Yeah right, liberals come up with these wild, mindless, unfounded excuses to give government more power. You just have fallen prey to the progressive left thus, a drone.

Sincerely,
Mark Evans

Steve Eddy's picture
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The treasury's printing presses are keeping that failed program alive by accruing debt on future generations. Yeah right...great program.

And you tell Heinrich he's a few synapses short of a coherent thought?

The Social Security System hasn't accrued any debt on future generations.

The debt that has accrued on future generations has been from the federal government spending more than it takes in. And it finances that debt through the sale of treasury bills.

The debt is the same whether that debt is financed by China or the Social Security trust fund.

Now, you wouldn't say China or anyone else holding treasury bills is accruing a debt on future generations would you?

Perhaps you would. But it would be just as idiotic as saying the Social Security system is accruing a debt on future generations.

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Heinrich Goldmund's picture

Mr. Evans,

I don’t “think” Social Security “was” a great program. It is a phenomenally successful program. It has done more good for people in this country than any private venture in this country’s history. By a very wide margin. It is currently fully funded beyond 2040 and very easy to keep in the black by a fair tax code. Which means “confiscating” money from guys like you who simply do not understand that paying your taxes are the dues that you owe for living in a civilized country that does not leave to chance what resources people have access to after working their entire lives to make this country the most productive on earth.

Ponzi scheme? Get that one from your right wing echo chamber, did you? Yes, because of the inflation there is just no way that it will ever work because current generations’ money will be worth less in the future, not to mention cost of living allowances. And based on your assertion of the treasury printing money to pay for it, you have left no doubt in my mind that you don’t understand anything of these matters beyond what Glen Beck has programmed you with. I wouldn’t even know where to begin to try to explain even the most basic concepts that your mental handicap impedes your understanding of. Such as the treasury doesn’t “print” money. Or God forbid, debt monetization or the difference between money and currency.

But oh goody, you offer to give me a history lesson! I want to thank you. Right out of the gate your free market drivel told me all I need to know about you. You saved me a lot of time. It should not surprise me that fuckwits like yourself can’t even broach the subject of what a boon it was to this country when the federal government became the number one advocate for science, technology and the welfare of its citizens. Confiscating your money, indeed. Please, move to Mexico already. We don't need you.

Of course you champion the merit of rich guys buying grossly overpriced consumer electronics. That’s a good cause. Even though that was never argued. Remember? The point was how should we regard a company that marks up to total absurdity a product that only functions to serve rich idiots’ need to consume conspicuously. Sorry you missed that.

Keep up the good fight!

Heinrich

soulful.terrain's picture

Heinrich:

fuckwit???

idiot??

you use some very nice expletives.

I'll take that as your concession verbage.

By the way, As an American, I would prefer Glenn Beck as opposed to Marx and Engels any day of the week.

Have a great day,
Mark

Heinrich Goldmund's picture

Mr. Evans,

You mean verbiage? Also, does that usually work for you, appointing yourself the victor of an argument when your opponent uses naughty words to describe you? I can only imagine that you must win arguments thusly very frequently. Fuckwit. See, you won again! DING! My argument has no merit because I called you a name. My, what a nifty way of responding when you can’t actually respond.

Also, did you suddenly lose your punctuation skills?

Oh, and by the way, as an American, I would prefer a Marxist donkey’s hee haw any day to the inscrutable dumbfuck (DING! You won again!) brain rot that flows from born-again-Mormon Glenn Beck. Who was recently disowned by non-batshit (DING!) crazy conservative icons like William Kristol.

I got a question for you, Mr. Free Marketeer: When new unknown small speaker companies selling comparably priced and better designs would get a foothold in dealers who carried Wilson Audio, Dave Wilson would find out, call the dealer and threaten to pull his line unless the dealer got rid of the challenger. Usually the dealer would comply with Wilson’s request. That’s not speculation, Mr. Free Market. That’s some actual industry dirty laundry I just gave you. Now, given that high end audio is so small a market, the new unknown guy trying to sell at or near Wilson’s price point almost always just falls by the wayside after a few years of running through life savings and searching for investors. With no distribution, Stereophile won't review him. With no reviews, no one will buy him. See how that works? If you’ve been around high end audio for a while, you may have even noticed this phenomena. Many in the industry praise Wilson for being such a great business man not knowing that he has routinely strong armed dealers to eliminate the competition.

Now, that’s the free market at work, genius. Free markets crush real competition. Plain and simple. With an example from your very own overpriced hobby.

Fuckwit.

Yours truly,

Heinrich

haroon's picture

To all but especially to soulful.terrain (Mark):

Kindly don't bring your economcis and politics here.  

Regards,

Haroon

Steve Eddy's picture
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Steve:
The same person that designs a Hyundai Sonata, builds it for $9,000, then turns around and sells it for $22,000.

You mean Hyundai dealers sell them for $22,000 and keep a bit of that for themselves, so it's not as if Hyundai is getting $13,000 of that $22,000 sale.

But so what? Assuming your $9,000 figure is correct, I don't see a $22,000 retail price being terribly unreasonable.

So are you saying that a pair of M1's cost $41,000 to make?

I don't think so.

In fact, I doubt they cost any more to make than that $22,000 Sonata.

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Example:

If you really feel like Mr. Levinson should, as you say; " I hope the son of a bitch winds up broke and living on the streets begging for change." Then you should hope the same for politicians (liberals) that produce NOTHING, but still confiscate billions in taxes of dollars they piss down the drain on failed social programs.

Or failed military adventures...

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But no one will touch that one.

In case you didn't notice on your way in, this is the Stereophile website, not a political forum.

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You see, the idea of the free-market is to build a product someone wants and turn a profit.

Sure. Like the folks at Korsun who built the U2 and sold it at a profit for $200.

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Point in fact: Nobody FORCES an individual to purchase uber expensive audio gear.

So?

I never said otherwise, so what's your point?

What I said was that I feel that taking an amplifier that retails for $200, re-branding it and selling it for $2,000, or slapping a few pro drivers in a box and selling them for $100,000 a pair can only be borne out of a certain contempt for those who would buy them.

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