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I don't like when you frame the photo cover. It looks provincial snob while Stereophile caters for rive gauche intellectuals. The reason it stays in business. The difference between audio and video.

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Please explain. I'm not real smart(really)so I'm not sure what your talking about. Do you mean the front cover? I don't see anything about it that is "snobish"

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I don't like when you frame the front page. It looks provincial snob while Stereophile caters for rive gauche intellectuals. The reason it stays in business. The difference between audio and video.

WTF does that mean?

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Troll.

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The photo cover framed in red in January, brown in February, blue in... It looks cheap to me but I am sure they think it is cool. The graphic designers must be responsible for that.. It looks dated and feminine. It is annoying. One day will have bows and ribbons framing the cover.

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Whatever. Content over appearance.

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"It looks dated and feminine."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

For a guy who clearly is dated and French...well, 'nuff said.

I am a graphic design professional and the Stereophile covers, while not breaking any new ground, are pretty modest overall; leaning if anything towards masculine. It's usually a single peice of equipment on a white or neutral background, with sans serif type work on the side. It's a classic and economical layout. Not going to win any awards I agree, but surely not anything to get too puffy about. Unless you're old and French, I guess.

How's that turntable sounding BTW? Oh yeah, you sent it back sound unheard. Still too much trouble to move those bones off the chair and flip that LP?

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If taste has anything to do with age I would say that the older you get the more likely you know what you are doing (like in painting). As far as nationality, in latin countries and in France men are generally in charge of decorating the house, and you can tell.

Only a pervert and a mimic (young) would use a turntable today.

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If taste has anything to do with age I would say that the older you get the more likely you know what you are doing (like in painting)...

Only a pervert and a mimic (young) would use a turntable today.

In the meanwhile, I will listen to some Mozart, who died when he was 35, and Schubert, who died when he was 31. And read some Arthur Rimbaud, who wrote no poetry after he was 21. I'm sure I'll find all their work sorely lacking in taste because they were so young.

People who rely on ageism to determine the level and qualitative content of art need to grow up.

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I know, I kown.. I said painting, not math, not music. In painting things are different.

Rimbaud is my favorite poet. In music I like Bach, Mahler, Stravinsky, Debussy.

Funny, even from someone like you, one can't say anything on this (young) forum without getting a lecture instead of a humorous repartie.

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I know, I kown.. I said painting, not math, not music. In painting things are different.

Rimbaud is my favorite poet. In music I like Bach, Mahler, Stravinsky, Debussy.

Funny, even from someone like you, one can't say anything on this (young) forum without getting a lecture instead of humorous repartie.

There are many painters who've peaked early, too. And if you look at the painting scene today, Gerhard Richter & Lucian Freud continue to convince in their old age (although Richter's younger works are the true masterpieces), but it is the younger painters who command attention & controversy (although I'm not so fond of his work, John Currin comes to mind.) The only absolute conclusion is that you can't apply the rules of ageism on art.

Also, I don't mean to attack you or lecture you, but please look at your own post and determine whether or not the tone of your rhetoric tends toward the humorous or the pedantic and snide. I'm sure most would agree that it was toward the latter. Input/output.

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I doubt taste has ANYTHING to do with age, although with age can come plaid pants, funny socks, hearing loss and hardheadedness. As for the combined topics of age, gender or nationality, well, I don't think anyone can present a unified theory that's not pretty much self-serving and silly.

I care less about the topic and more that I just know you're a fun guy to spar with. Carry on... I think I'll go put on another record...

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Same thing in litterature. That leaves you with music, math, and chess, I guess.

Anonymous above is my post. I don't know how it happened.

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You forgot one thing: with age one gets all the girls. They value experience. You take your time, you know how to use your tongue. That reminds me of a 19 years old au pair English teacher I had when I was a kid. I has problems pronouncing mouth and month correctly, a little bit like the kids in Fellini's Amarcord. At the end we kissed! I was a prodigy, too.

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If taste has anything to do with age I would say that the older you get the more likely you know what you are doing (like in painting). As far as nationality, in latin countries and in France men are generally in charge of decorating the house, and you can tell.

Only a pervert and a mimic (young) would use a turntable today.

And just what would the pervert do with the turntable?
Inquiring minds want to know.

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They would give it to DUP so he could wax poetic on low output MC cartridges in a 20 page review.

As for Grosse, whatever dude! I love my TT, it works damn it.

Methinks it's been quite some time since you've heard anything that approaches 'real' sonics on an audio system.

You need to re-center. You're loosing the magic. Too much digital crap in your life.

Go get yourself a Trebuchet and launch those digtal pieces of crap into the lake.

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..Go get yourself a Trebuchet and launch those digtal pieces of crap into the lake.

That would be bad taste, exhibitionism. Pas moi. Although trowing a pair of red Ferrari Wilson speakers in to the lake after calling Stereophile to take a picture would be tempting. They personify vulgarity. All the wrong people buy Wilson's. They have 400 CDs max. Same crowd that buy Rolex. The few others get them on long term loans.

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You are talking about classical music, Rimbaud, prodigies. Painters are late bloomers. Find a painter who painted a masterpiece when he was twelve. Bonnard and Matisse had a law degree! One had no formal training as a painter.

Uh, since when did the age spectrum drop to 12 y.o.? Who the hell here was talking about a pre-pubescent kids? But for the examples of great painters who created masterpieces in their youth? Too many! Raphael painted "Wedding of the Virgin" when he was 21. He died when he was 43. Da Vinci painted "Adoration of the Magi" when he was 29. There are many other painters - too many to count - who have done masterful work in their 20's-40's. This world and its history are full of other examples why your theory is bogus and just reductive banter. Come on, Grosse Fatigue. You're older than me and wiser than me, so don't play this ridiculous kids' game that won't play out in your favor. Just please stop making broad, generalizing comments about art, age, or anything. Be less judgmental and more open-minded, open-hearted is what I am saying.

Umm... and no comment on your history w/ girls.

And what are you talking about, prodigies?! Stop basing your opinion on Mozart on your viewing of "Amadeus." When he was in late 20's he was a full master, his prodigy years long behind him. If you also love Rimbaud deeply, you wouldn't condescend to his poems as works by a mere prodigy.

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Unless you speak French fluently I wonder what you can understand of Rimbaud. He is untranslatable. Language is not like music, it is not universal.

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I'm not fluent in French, but I read French literature in its original language. I'm a Comp Lit. student @ Columbia University, and studied Baudelaire with poet Richard Howard, whose translation of Les Fleurs du Mal is considered the best in publication (but we studied in French), and studied Proust w/ Sylvere Lotringer.

I write book reviews (a lot of those books in German & French) for The Believer magazine, and this year, my essays are also in line to appear in that magazine and other publications, i.e. Harper's. I moderated a panel on international literature and translation @ Columbia University with editors from Farrar, Straus & Giroux, & W. W. Norton. I don't know what your credentials are in literature, but I'm going to suppose that I am a bit more qualified to talk about it as a critic than you are, although I'm younger than you. You don't have to tell me anything about what to read, how to read.

You really have a true talent for underestimating other people.

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Oh, and I also find it amusing that you hate to admit it when you're wrong. What happened to your dare of "Name ONE painter who painted a masterpiece in his youth?" And I gave you the answer for it (and offered more than a single example?) I thought I'd be greeted with a silence from you, but you had to now insinuate that I couldn't understand literature. Too funny. This thread is so over. I feel really imbecilic in even replying to you now. I wish you the best. But meet some people outside. Open up a bit, my friend.

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I studied litterature and philosophy as well as latin, English and Spanish. I grew up surrouded by books, including rare edition books. As for music I did not have the same taste as my father who favored tuneful and pretty music such as the ones from Mozart, Beethoven, Brhams and Shubert.

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Hey, everybody! Look!!! I can piss farther up the tree than he can.

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I studied litterature and philosophy as well as latin, English and Spanish. I grew up surrouded by books, including rare edition books. As for music I did not have the same taste as my father who favored tuneful and pretty music such as the ones from Mozart, Beethoven, Brhams and Shubert.

Ah, I see, reading "rare edition" books are better than reading the same content on newer paper.
Pardon moi, I'm going to go play some music, but I will be wear a listening hat of rare gold, pearls, and silk. Thus will I enjoy the music far more than you rabble.

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