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Bosendorfer loudspeaker

What do you think about new Bosendorfer loudspeaker? Is there some Stereophile's review?

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"The Evening of Truth" is not a review, but, the closest you'll get at this point:

http://www.stereophile.com/images/newsletter/305stph.html

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There are some links to reviews here:
http://www.audusa.com/bose.htm

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Thanks! But had someone heard them?

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I heard them, but, only in that particular setting that night. It would be difficult to tell you about their sound (as might be experienced in the home) because we listened to playback of a live performance that was recorded right there and then. So, the sonic imprint of the room was encoded into the recording and the real room response of the room was laid upon the playback we heard. In a conventional position, near the sweet spot, instrumental timbre was off by a wide margin. From a distance (not in the sweet spot and off to the side by 20 or more feet) the recording sounded far more convincing. They seemed too coloured for serious consideration, but, they might respond very differently in a different room.

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Thanks! But had someone heard them?

Yes. That night and one other time but both were problemmatical. Of course, there's also a disconnect in philosophy. The one expressed by Bosendorfer is, and I quote,:
The core of the Acoustic Active Principle is to view the loudspeaker cabinet as a vibrating, resonant body, allowing the creation of a three-dimensional, transparent, true-to-life sound. This goes against conventional concepts and techniques of loudspeaker construction, whose overriding goal is to suppress all vibrations and resonances, with no regard for the overall sound, while delicate tones are simply 'corrected' by powerful frequency filters.
In my view, any such resonances, controlled or otherwise, are superimposed on the music signal and, by definition, are spurious. How could I review them with an open mind?

Kal

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How could I review them with an open mind?

Kal

With your eyes closed?

Are you admitting that a product's literature can shade your perception of how its product sounds?

Well, then, who needs a Clever Clock?

It seems perhaps that a properly prepared press release can have even more impact.

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"How could I review them with an open mind?"
With your eyes closed?

I do a lot of that. What I cannot close is my mind.


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Are you admitting that a product's literature can shade your perception of how its product sounds?

I quoted from the literature but I heard the same, in extenso, from the chief designer who scoffed at traditional principles of speaker design/construction without offering justification. The brief auditions were consistent with the raised expectations.


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Well, then, who needs a Clever Clock?

Not I.

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The Bosendorfer and Onkyo speakers that claim to have "live" cabinetry boggle me in two ways:

1) If you think designing ANY component is complex, it must pale in comparison to trying to create a speaker with an "active" enclosure.

Imagine the infinite complexity of designing an enclosure that precisely mates it vibrations characteristics with those of the the drivers in such a way that it can "accurately" reproduce the original signal.

Aye yi yi!

And then these guys criticize others for trying to minimize cabinate "activity?"

Good luck, is all I can offer.

2) I hope we are not seeing a trend toward speakers as a form of "performance art," where the act of playing music is actually being turned into a "performance" by a speaker/speaker designer and how he "interprets" the music.

I realize that in a way, that's what all speakers do, but the goal is usually to try and make the speaker as neutral a member of the ensemble as possible, not an act of editorializing the sound.

Did that make sense?

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A better review would then be to never read anything about a product before you review it, impossible for any human to not be influenced from a description of literature, it'll always be in teh back of your mind as you do something. Mind either open or closed. It's as DUMB as thinking when a judge tells the jury to DISREAGARD that comment or such, yeah, OK, i heard it already, how do I reset my brain? So any early reads or people talking about a product will always influence how a reviewer imagines something sounds like. that's why only J.A. MEASURMENTS are the only true blind objective tests. MF must do a lot of mfg reading before he listens to his $100K TT's and magic Zindoperorferzanderphoney CD players (music makers, since they distort so heavily, they are CREATING not REPRODUCING) If MF likes it, you know it's probably worthless and over priced. If the written message didn't influence the outcome of what someone thinks they hear, how else do you explain the wire ads, and connectors that have all these mystical powers...tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth for teh gulliable. Countires have been controlled over teh centuries that way, now it's called advertising

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Re: Bosendorfer loudspeaker

Thanks, guys! Yours answers are much clean, and accord with my impression.
I have heard them quickly, not with my cd, but the impression was:
pleasant sound, but not realistic sound.

I want say one thing, in defense of Bosendorfer's designer, Hans Deutsch: the courage to trying new ways to reproduce the "negative air" of drive. Perhaps the intuiton of resonancing panel is good, but needs of better application.

What do you think?

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