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I installed a Sony DVD burner in my Dell Laptop and then installed Audio DVD creator per TaterBones recommendations and wha la...2496 music on +R media just like he promised. Saved them as WAV 2496 pcm. The software is $40. The Sony burner cost me $60.

I am using an Echo Indigo 2496 IO card (driver 7.3) for recording and the sound is very good and played first time in my Sony 755 DVD/SACD player. The 2 tracks I burned played great. Not a single hitch. but, this is only a short test run.

Now I have to wonder why this is not the defacto hi-rez standard rather than all the dedicated player formats that are out their. I have some recording projects coming up in early December for my local high schools bands in the area that will be recorded 2496 and then I will compare them to the redbook versions and see if I can really tell a difference.

2 weeks later and a real recording project...

Now I have issues coming up recording 2496 files with Sony Sound Forge Audio Studio 9.0d. I have had no issues when recording at redbook rates, but now the increased resolution at 2496 has caused my live recordings to just stop on their own and for frequent clicks to appear in the recording at varying intervals. It appears to happen as the recording time is extended to past 15 minutes.

I should add that for the first time the Sony Sound Forge recording meters seem to have a latency issue as they are not tracking the actual musical peaks from the live performace. The meters from the Echo control panel are tracking accurately.

Sony seems to think I have some registry issues and need a new install, but I am inclined to think this is more possible "virtual memory" or too small a RAM issue? I am lost at this point, so for now this issue of live recording in my laptop at 2496 is not just plug and play for now.

I use Norton Utilities and Anti-Virus and my Dell laptop runs all my other apps quickly and efficiently with no issues. I have over 100 gigs of HD space available, unused.

Audio DVD creator continues to work great. It is a steal at $40.

I can also tell you that the increased resolution is easy to hear as lower level audio details are easy to discern as well as the distinct clarity of audience sounds. Applause has a crispness and detail not heard in redbook. I just hope to get my recording issues resolved.

I gave copies of my DVD+Rs to our band director and it played without a hitch in his DVD player. I will never again do a recording without taking my Sony DAT as a redbook backup.

addendum: One Hoffman forum participant recommended I increase my virtual memory which I did to 3 gigs with a 4 gig max setting. I'll see if that matters.

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Norton Antivirus = worst resource hog ever

Ditch it!

MSE (Microsoft Security Essentials).

Free and all you should need if you practice safe surfing.

Free CCleaner for the Registry

Max out your physical memory.

Hope this helps

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I think that I have figure out my 2496 recording problems as they were in the advance settings of both the Echo console and the Sony Sound Forge Audio Studio 9.0d software.

In the Echo console there was a sample setting that I converted to the max of 8192, but the IO for audio was set at WDM, which I guess is windows media? I change it to Pure Wave and gave that a whirl. That is working fine. My Sound Forge monitor meters are now tracking properly.

In the Sony software in their advance settings: options to preferences to audio to advanced to configure: buffer size was increased to 8,192 as well. So far that has solved the problems, but I will do some serious recording live tomorrow night to know for sure, but I am taking my Sony DAT for back up.

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Tonight the new recording of a middle school Christmas Band/chorus concert went without a hitch at 2496. The 1 hour and 8 minute concert took 25 minutes to burn with Audio DVD creator, but I am not complaining as the disc sounds amazing. Playback in 3 DVD players in our house worked flawlessly.

My back up Sony DAT will become my redbook files of the same concert for comparison. They sound very good, but not what the 2496 files sound like. That redbook transfer will come tomorrow after school. I will try copying the DVD in our multi-tray burner at school tomorrow and find out what issues that may bring.

All for a $150 Echo Indigo IO 2496 sound card and Sony Sound Forge and $40 Audio DVD Creator. Why is it I need a $20 K cd player again? Maybe the Oppo 83 is the ticket, the hot-rodded version of course.

Those of you who have taken interest in this little project in PMs will have copies coming to you shortly. I will be glad to hear your comments.

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The postmaster has them as I write this. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...I am the great and powerful Oz! Well, Maybe not. I am hoping you are suprised and intrigued by what you hear.

If this proves worth the effort then all of my current gear will have to be replaced with a pair of good to great mics, and new dual mic pre and if I could just find some balance Kimber mic cables for $1 a foot. I ojnly need 2 -75 to 100 footers. It never hurts to ask Santa for someting outlandish. It's not like I'm asking for the new $80K DCS stack.

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this does the same and its free...

http://dvd-audio.sourceforge.net/

(Although I use cirlinca because I like the upsample feature)..

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Quote:
mic cables

Jim, I heartily reccomend my friend Ed at Kind Kables

a great man. He does all my XLR cables. I reccomend them heartily. Solid construction, great sound, and american made.

for mic pre..

id get the

DAV BG-1 (decca heritage, decca sound)

and/or the Hamptone HVTP2

both incredible.

for mics, you cannot go wrong with the aforementioned RODEs, or for a Multipattern LDC, the Audio Technica 4050 is fantastic. linear response, dead quiet, and id happily use them as my "desert island" pair.

I also suggest experimenting with Jecklin Disc, Schneider Disc, and Blumlein...

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and antivirus?? who uses those things?

i havent used an AV in years.. no need since migrating to firefox... hell, i didnt need one before.

never had a single issue. course I dont engage in high risk internet stuff either.

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oh and Mr. Tavegia

if you use XP..

please pay the dough to register for this site and get that PC setup right for audio. fantastic advice there, invaluable.

www.musicxp.net

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oh and Mr. Tavegia

if you use XP..

please pay the dough to register for this site and get that PC setup right for audio. fantastic advice there, invaluable.

www.musicxp.net

A charge of a $1. ? Outrageous man, have you lost your head!!!! LOL I did it anyway. Thanks.

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So, I am cleaning up some of the hi-rez tracks of the TMS Chorus. I am transferring them to redbook from my DAT backup for the school and come across the Soprano Sax solo with the 6th grade chorus.

I look at the program and find Patti Martin, the Band Director accompanying the chorus on Winter Night and think, wowwza, THIS should have been my hirez test. What a dunce I am. Kenny G stand back. I guess I am out of the running for "the most observant person of the year"!

I have contacted Patti about scheduling a session with her and her musician friends. This IS going to be fun. Thanks Santa!

New discs in flight!

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Recording is such a good time, isnt it?

Those eargle books have some amazing microphone setup suggestions. Hope you are enjoying the reading!

(Also reccomend mastering audio by bob katz) and

www.stereosoundbook.com

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It is great fun. I can't describe how excited the kids were at school to hear themselves perform. At times serious and at other times the giggles come out when they hear a mistake, but they all vowed to work at getting better. The 6th graders now have something to shoot for as they heard how much better the 7 and 8th grade band was. You can't buy the pleasure I get from doing these recordings for them.

Also, I have gotten back one lengthy response of the RedBook vs 2496 DVD audio recording comparisons. The comments were appreciated, insightful, and spot on. I am not spilling the beans yet as I do not want to influence others who have yet to listen and/or respond.

Once those of you recieve the new discs with Patti Martin's sax solo on them can you truly make a clear judgement.

The best Christmas Presents are the ones you do not expect.

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