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And the winner is...well it's Blu-ray.

According to the associated press, Toshiba has officially declared it will no longer develop, make or market HD DVD players and recorders. At the company's Tokyo offices, Toshiba President Atsutoshi Nishida told reporters on Tuesday, "We concluded that a swift decision would be best."

I'm not a big Sony fan, but can we finally get this shuyh on the roy'd? What's going to happen now, and how fast? Any guesses?

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I'm looking for a universal player that includes Blu-ray, upconverting DVD, DVD-A, SACD, mp3, WAV and CD. Oppo???

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I think what it means is that HD DVD is going obsolete now, while Blu Ray will not go obsolete until 2010.

The real secret take home message is that all this stuff will soon be delivered via the internet. So, even Blu Ray has a pretty short life expectancy.

In 2013, we will be buying used PS3's for fifty bucks in order to play our hard discs.

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Da Buddha knows!

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I have to disagree Buddha. Ever try downloading a full DVD? 6-8GBs? Now make that 30GBs! You can't compress these things 'cause they already ARE compressed. Anything more and your back to lossy compression and that's the whole point:getting near to uncompressed playback. I don't see bandwidth quadrupling in just 3-4 years.

On demand movies suck for quality right now-even so-called "HD on-demand." The compression is like going from CD to mp3. HD TV shows play at 480p, and are coompressed a lot more than DVDs; hardly what I'd call true "HD" since the spec is 1280p or at least 720p with uncompressed 6 channel sound. That's not coming down your local cable line any time soon.

Even with drive sizes getting larger and cheaper you'd have to have a serious server to hold even a medium sized collection. Fifty movies would be a minum of 1.5 terrabytes of storage, plus backup space. Then- let's talk playing that thing. You need excellent chip power/decoders (not just generalist processor chips) and please let's not forget COPY PROTECTION. That in itself will keep things hardware based for a while.

And lastly: backwards compatibility. I am sorry to say I bought an excellent HD-DVD player this December- in no small part because it was the better of the two formats at up sampling conventional DVDs, of which I have at least 75-100 of. Doh!!! I guess I'll be getting two players for the time being and hopefully will be able to get a quality dual player in the future. From where I'm standing Toshiba is seriously letting their customers out to dry- I'd at least like a customer apology!

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Some retailers are taking recently purchased HD-DVD players back as a result of Toshiba's announcement.

The Asian and European markets are pleased with Toshiba's decision - its stock went up 7% in those markets.

At least HD-DVDs will be available cheap.

I predicted a Blu-Ray victory a year plus ago when DVD-V authoring programs offered the ability to create Blu-Ray discs.

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I agree. It is going to take some times before we can download a Blu-ray disc and personally I am not looking forward to. I collect movies. I have more than 2000 DVDs, many Blu-rays and HDVDs. I always thought that Blu-ray would win. The picture is slightly better. This is big for Sony as they are going to develop Blu-ray in to audio. Bye bye SACD!

Talking movies: I was watching "Scandal" with John Hurt last night. For a brief moment in that movie they play the instrumental "

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I don't know why European markets would be pleased by Toshiba's decision as HDVD was more popular than Blu-ray in Europe.

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I don't know why European markets would be pleased by Toshiba's decision as HDVD was more popular than Blu-ray in Europe.


Asian and European investors understood that HD-DVD was losing the format war and were please when Toshiba finally recognized this as well. Thus Toshiba's stock increased in value in these markets.

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This is big for Sony as they are going to develop Blu-ray in to audio. Bye bye SACD!


Is this true? There is a huge market when it comes to HT and video but pure audio?
Even if it was true how certain are we that they won't give blu-ray the boot when "yel-ray" comes out?

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Naxos has already started. They officially dropped SACD. I can't wait to see live music on Blu-ray, too. We are finally going to have a high resolution audio format. Operas will fit on one disc! Time to sell your turntable..

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Naxos has already started. They officially dropped SACD. I can't wait to see live music on Blu-ray, too. We are finally going to have a high resolution audio format. Operas will fit on one disc! Time to sell your turntable..


So Naxos is going to come out with an audio only Blu-Ray like DVD-A/SACD/CD are audio only formats?
Don't know very much about the audio that comes from DVDs but I really don't have a problem adding a small LCD panel so that I can see and listen to blu-ray provided that the audio quality surpases that of any of the previous audio only formats. Somehow I still see blu-ray as something more for multi-channel HT than 2 channel audio/video.

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how certain are we that they won't give blu-ray the boot when "yel-ray" comes out?

Because yellow's wavelength is longer than blue's, so that would actually be a step backward.

However, being a University of Michigan student, I'm pleased that yellow was the color you chose to follow blue.

Do you guys think a yellow laser would give the system a more relaxed sound? They call me mellow yellow...

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Hey ErikB- long time no see! Welcome back.

I'm not sure Blu-Ray is going to be the salvation of hi-rez audio. I think the potential is there, but 7.1 channels scares the general public. I've been trying to sell the DVD-A 2 and 5.1 channel format to my friends since 1999. They all love my set-up and the sounds it makes, but most do not have any desire to go beyond HTIB. And they don't get the absence of video on a DVD. Live concerts in Dolby Digital are neat, but I've never found them to be as sonically clean, emotionally immersive or musically satisfying as DVD-A or SACD. The Blu-Ray format supports several uncompressed audio codecs that are superior to DVD-A and SACD, but how will they market these hi-rez multi-channel options except as soundtracks to live or studio venues recorded on video? Or bonus material added to movies. Is this what audiophiles want? I don't know anymore. All the internecine squabbling over analog vs. digital vs. media vs. digital files doesn't bode well for acceptance of new hardware. Everyone seems to stay loyal to their investment of choice (understandable- how many can afford to add new set-ups of every format extant?) and the non-audio afflicted just want pretty pictures. It's all pretty discouraging at this point.

No offense, GF, but full length opera on Blu-Ray? As an audio/video hi-def extravaganza? Warner doesn't even want to release hi-rez Steely Dan titles that Elliot Scheiner is ready to re-master in a heartbeat. Where's the market for a complex and expensive hi-def opera production?- not that it wouldn't be really cool.

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"I'm not sure Blu-Ray is going to be the salvation of hi-rez audio."

There I am with you--- High-rez audio, although some may indeed end up on Blu-Ray seems to be migrating more to server based applications. Or remaining on vinyl.

Hard to say, but I am planning on getting a high-rez receiver for my HT system, and in that area I can see at least trying out some high-rez files through iTunes. The thing is- I don't know about anyone here but my HT system always takes second place to my dedicated music system. In fact several components are pieces from my stereo that got upgraded.

I don't see the systems ever merging, not the least because I have a big flat screen which would get in the way of properly setting up all the other stereo gear and the TV is more for "family" and casual living. The stereo is for serious listening and more adult if you will. MAYBE if I were starting from scratch they might evolve together... I'd rather look into a music server if I were looking to dive deep into high-rez digital.

As to the continuous and confusing format wars and evolution...that's exactly why my LPs still get the best gear. They kick ass sonically, the art is fantastic at 12" square and I have no fear of obsolescence.

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They can't merge right now but when they do it will be a two channels world again as new improved processors will simulate 5 channels from a pair of stereo speakers.

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It appears Naxos is talking about opera on Blu-Ray.

See, e.g., Interesting Column

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BBC has released Die Zauberflote on Blu-Ray DVD. It's available from Opus Arte in the UK.

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Here's an article on the marketing of Blu-Ray: clickity click here

maybe this will lead to marketing of other high-fidelity products? the article makes it seem pretty doubtful that people actually care.

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BBC has released Die Zauberflote on Blu-Ray DVD. It's available from Opus Arte in the UK.

Well, at least they are remastering existing videos and Naxos plans to reissue their opera catalog in Blu-Ray. Hopefully, the discriminating eyes and ears of the classical/opera niche will trickle across to rock/pop and other categories.

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It appears Naxos is talking about opera on Blu-Ray.

See, e.g., Interesting Column

Hi all. The facts about Naxos' plans for Blu-ray are not exactly as some are suggesting. Please check out my article, linked above, which was updated Feb. 19. I plan to write about this further when I have more definite information.

Also, as revealed in my December 2007 interview with Naxos' Klaus Heymann [http://www.stereophile.com/interviews/1207hey/index.html], Naxos has been recording 40-60 orchestral and choral projects each year in surround. All these can now be released. I do not know if opera is in the mix.

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Hopefully, having a high-rez, multichannel audio format that is compatible with widely-owned hardware (blu-ray players and HT systems) will increase the demand for this quality. Having 50GB of capacity, of course, is far more that what is needed to carry a typical album's worth of audio-only content, even in very high resolution (24-bit/192kHz) and multichannel. I also hope this will cause a boom in the high-rez audio download market. Of course that will also require networked media players that support multichannel.

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Of course that will also require networked media players that support multichannel.

Not to worry. Linn will be there, hopefully with a trade in deal. Of course we're talkin' audio only.

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As far as audio-only Blu-ray releases, I hope Naxos and others plan on going lossless (is there any reason not to with all that storage space?). It appears that this would most likely be in LPCM form, since LPCM is mandatory on Blu-ray. Correct?

"As for lossless audio, 43% Blu-ray Discs have 5.1 LPCM uncompressed audio, which is the only lossless format that is mandatory for Blu-ray players. Blu-ray Disc also has optional support for Dolby TrueHD lossless encoding of up to 8 channels of audio, and DTS-HD Master Audio, a lossless encoding of up to 8 channels of audio. As of November 2007, 7% of Blu-ray Discs are encoded in Dolby TrueHD while DTS-HD Master Audio is used on 12% on discs. In total, 60% of Blu-ray Discs have either uncompressed or lossless audio." [thehdtvpro.com]

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Supported codecs (from the Blu-Ray site):

Linear PCM (LPCM) - up to 8 channels of uncompressed audio. (mandatory)
Dolby Digital (DD) - format used for DVDs, 5.1-channel surround sound. (mandatory)
Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) - extension of Dolby Digital, 7.1-channel surround sound. (optional)
Dolby TrueHD - lossless encoding of up to 8 channels of audio. (optional)
DTS Digital Surround - format used for DVDs, 5.1-channel surround sound. (mandatory)
DTS-HD High Resolution Audio - extension of DTS, 7.1-channel surround sound. (optional)
DTS-HD Master Audio - lossless encoding of up to 8 channels of audio. (optional)

Please note that this simply means that Blu-ray players and recorders will have to support playback of these audio codecs, it will still be up to the movie studios to decide which audio codec(s) they use for their releases.

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Oppo's developing a Blu-ray machine. I think that's a very good sign, given their prior focus on machines that do video and 2-channel exceptionally well and attractive price points. Getting a bunch of machines out there will help the software on all fronts. See the announcement here:
Oppo Blu-ray

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Oppo's developing a Blu-ray machine. I think that's a very good sign, given their prior focus on machines that do video and 2-channel exceptionally well and attractive price points. Getting a bunch of machines out there will help the software on all fronts. See the announcement here:
Oppo Blu-ray

Oh, man, I'm all over that! But we'll have to wait until the official announcement by the company, I guess. Who knows how legit this guy is, who supposedly talked to Oppo's official? But thanks for the link, Dave.

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It would make good sense for Oppo to be working on such a machine. We can only hope as good entry priced machines will make it more likely that we will see the type of music releases we want.

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I think what it means is that HD DVD is going obsolete now, while Blu Ray will not go obsolete until 2010.

The real secret take home message is that all this stuff will soon be delivered via the internet. So, even Blu Ray has a pretty short life expectancy.

In 2013, we will be buying used PS3's for fifty bucks in order to play our hard discs.

GONG!

Wrong!

In 2013, we'll all be dead! Ze Enitre Vorld vill ave explodeded!

Only parts of our bodies will be floating in space, among the rocky wreckage..and aliens will find the Sony PlayStation's and the Blu-Ray DVD's and get....uhm....a very skewed answer on who we were.

Get with the program, dude! The calendar says so! Get thee to a Mayan Pyramid Nunnery and get down, do some chantin' or sumpthin! (oh wow, to be let loose in a Nunnery. There's a thought....)

And roll up another one while I'm ranting here. Can't loose steam now!

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Well, KBK, my friend, I gotta tell ya; I know different.

I sold my immortal soul to the Devil several years ago in exchange for living beyond the upcoming confalgration and preventing my cartridge stylus from wearing out.

In return for a cellar full of first growths, an air conditioner with unlimited BTU's, and a clean swimming pool during the upcoming tribulations, Vice President Chene......err....I mean Satan...assured me that I will be enjoying the full bloom of analog sound until the end of Jeb Bush's administration in 2020.

Make of this information what you will. I'm stocking up on tequila and kosher salt.

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Buddha, you are right. By 2015, we will still be alive, in misery, joy, or the dreaded in-between.

Music, booze, and the sweet suction will have kept those of us alive who had the forsight to think ahead.

Gold will be North of $3000, and silver at least $200. And most of the crowd will still have no idea why. Oil will be too high to afford, and those of us who learned to use our legs will be able to walk as far as we need to go.

Social Security? An ancient dream. Medicare? Tequila and salt. Whoever is President will still be an idiot, no more, no less. Buddha, I hope history someday gives you your due. Booze, music, and a good piece of ass. All else is ephemeral, and not worth the bother.

KBK, you are wrong. I am sorry. Don't bet on the devil. He has a tin ear.

It doesn't matter how music gets electronically canned. It will still be played live and in technicolor.

People will still argue over which is the best way to can music. And the best way to can music will still be woefully inadequate when compared to the live experience.

Tequila and salt will still preserve those of us who have planned ahead. Lime will be available to only the very rich. Who needs it?

Pussy will still be the only cure for metaphysical wanderings, and a fine tune will still be necessary for fully completing the enjoyment of it.

Some things just don't change.

Some say our hobby is insignificant. Yeah, right. What else is there?

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Pussy will still be the only cure for metaphysical wanderings, and a fine tune will still be necessary for fully completing the enjoyment of it.

It's the only commodity that has any value anyway. When the gold standard is abandoned, there will always be THAT.

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And the best way to can music will still be woefully inadequate when compared to the live experience.


Amen

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Pussy will still be the only cure for metaphysical wanderings, and a fine tune will still be necessary for fully completing the enjoyment of it.

It's the only commodity that has any value anyway. When the gold standard is abandoned, there will always be THAT.

Nothing like casual/unintended misogyny to make me feel hopeful for mankind.

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Selfdivider, you are, indeed, a self divided, if you think love of pussy is a misogynous, er, condition. Here is the biology of it all. Pussy loves dick; dick loves pussy. There is nothing a-mis about this ogyny. Billions of dicks and pussies can't be wrong.

Now, what you do with your particular weenie is none of my business. However, if I choose to celebrate what I would prefer to do with mine, in technicolor and accompanied by music (complete with slurping noises in the background -- 'tis probably what multichannel was truly meant for....), I do not believe it is your place to "mis" it. After all, ogyny is ogyny. And may the strongest pussy win.

Gee. You are probably going to take offense at that. Okay, here is the biological, scientifically-measured history of it all. Females have holes. Males have plugs. "Pussy" is a highly romanticized and euphemistic term for hole. Do you like "vagina" or "uterus" better ? Now, really. Can a vagina purr? Can a uterus say "meow" and snatch a mouse?

"Pussy" is not a mis-ogyny. It is a celebration. It is a triumphant paean to the glory of contrasts.

As is music.

Music and pussy. Ahhh.

After all, who among us has not been pussy-whipped? Silence. I rest my case.

I know you would never accept advice from an old fart such as I, selfdivider. Still, under the heat of your misconstruing of my ancient ardor, I cannot resist offering some. Get a fine stereo and a fine pussy. Exercise both simultaneously. If done properly (remember the surround background...), your self will be divided no more.

I am trying to figure out something I ought to apologize for. My love of pussy is not it.

Sorry.

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Clifton, this is a true piece of art.

To be celebrated through the ages.

Along with gold.

. . . and free checking.

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SD meant to say "misvaginy".

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Clifton, sir. There are certain things in life that one instantaneously "gets," and any extra elucidation added is merely purple prose and unnecessary lecture. Relax. I'm sure most of us here get the joys of music and pussy, and I'm not offended about that. You misread me. If anything, you were just stating the overly-obvious, and as everyone knows, just stating the obvious in writing is not an offense. It's just cliche. It's boring.

I was half-kidding about the misogyny statement, and it wasn't because of pussy or dick or whatever you like to write about. It was the idea of pussy as commodity, some kind of a transcendental standard of monetary currency. Have I read too much Marx for my own good? Maybe. Is it the fact that now I am a father to 2 baby girls? Probably.

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Pussy is a capital. It is a capital to bear fruit and yield a profit and women know it. A mother will tell her daughter to use her capital wisely, which means to sell it, not to give it for free to a deadbeat. Men are inherently at a disadvantage compared to women..

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Pussy will still be the only cure for metaphysical wanderings, and a fine tune will still be necessary for fully completing the enjoyment of it.

It's the only commodity that has any value anyway. When the gold standard is abandoned, there will always be THAT.

Nothing like casual/unintended misogyny to make me feel hopeful for mankind.

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To paraphrase/quote Bob Marley (So Jah Seh, from "Natty Dread"): "Puss and dog get together, what's wrong with loving one another?"

Actually, nothing. But I think selfdivider is not disputing the nearly universal appeal of nookie to the average heterosexual (lesbian, even!), or objecting to anyone's sexual enjoyment. Or denying the transformative effect of such congress. It's just that public displays of manliness by the reductive references to pussy as commodity are, in fact, demeaning to women. And some of us were raised by women dear to our hearts and hold sisters and female friends in high regard, knowing and appreciating the divinity of their exquisite nature.

Clifton, you have expressed your heterosexuality with slghtly less eloquence than you discuss precious metals and hog futures, but that is a valid choice and I don't discern misogyny. However, when bargain-conscious AlexO starts discussing audio or women as commodities, it's not the love of same that comes through as much as the thrill of the best discount availabe.

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Yeah, you've probably read too much Marx.

Some times you pay with capital, sometimes you pay with emotional drain. But you always pay. And, to be fair, I think I have heard the same lines from the, um, feline side of the argument. So goes the battle of the sexes. May it forever rage on...

"Half-kidding." Okay. Here's to the other half. I doubt if anyone, even Marx, would confuse "transcendental" with "standard of monetary currencey" or "commodity." Just say what you mean, without invoking those who inhabit the circumambient gas.

"Pussy" is not "purple prose." It is metonymy. "Purple prose" is a cliche, and I didn't write it -- you did.

And I am not "sir" anything.

Sheesh. Relax.

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Rvance, I am not expressing my "heterosexuality" (that's too many syllables for any primal urge). I merely note my love for pussy and music. In response to one who predicted end times comin' down the road, surely in jest (my original counter to that forecast was simply that music and all the impulses that generate it would prevail), I linked listening and screwing as alternatives to end-of-times scenarios. For that, I remain unapologetic.

Actually, AlexO's comment was pretty funny. In context. Seriously. We all pay, directly or figuratively. Even those wielding the pussies. Why deny the facts?

More importantly, what better investment OR speculation?

You and selfdivider gotta lighten up. If you will send me your addresses, I will mail you dirges to accompany the scourges.

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Music and pussy. Ahhh.

Are you kidding me, Clifton? When I read those words, I just burst out laughing. Because 1st of all, no man past the age of 12 should be able to write crap like that in all seriousness. You keep thinking that I'm implying that "pussy" means something else, i.e. purple prose. When I say purple prose, I mean just the way you write. Reductive. Overblown. Cliched. Sentimental. "Music and pussy, Ahhh." Pretty gross, dude. Your posts exist already as glowing demonstrations of "writing purple," so I'll just let your own words do the talking.

Let's look at one more of your grandiose generalization: "Pussy will still be the only cure for metaphysical wanderings, and a fine tune will still be necessary for fully completing the enjoyment of it." What a fine sentiment, music existing in service of getting a piece of ass. It's the shallowest, most immature justification for music I've read in quite a while. I sincerely hope that what you wrote was merely hypothetical on your part, and not a sincere view of music. If you really feel that is why music exists, you should really donate your hi-fi gear to someone who'd feel the music on a deeper level than that.

Look. I feel weird telling you this, Clifton, as you must be much much older than me. But grow up. You extol the virtues of dicks and pussies when you're 12 (remember?), maybe on the walls of public bathrooms. But it's quite embarrassing for a grown-assed man to be brandishing such haphazard words and ideas in public forums. And painful to read.

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..More importantly, what better investment OR speculation?..

It is not a rational investment, otherwise we would always get the best girl and never divorce. We are blinded to pussy.

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Selfdivider:

Although in a high-minded, semiotics major, PC sort of way you may be right- I think you're reading too much into Clifton's off-the-cuff banter. I also don't think he was saying music is the way to "get some." If anything, the FASTEST way to NOT impress a woman is to proudly start showing her all your audio gear, and then start playing all your favorite "must hear" records. If anyone here is not aware of this then they need to quickly get a few female friends to clue them in. Rock Stars are the only guys who can pair music and sex successfully.

In the end, my interpretation, if there needed to be one, would be: once you've stopped looking for high-minded answers to life's big questions, you come back to music and sex as the surest paths to pleasure. I can't say that's ALL there is too life, but without them it's pretty unsatisfying!

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I know you're right, dbowker. I have no idea why I got so worked over by such nonsense. Just a lot of shit going on in my life at this point... I'm going to go for a morning shot of bourbon after my class & loosen up.

And Clifton, accept my apologies. I didn't mean to be too harsh. On 2nd reading, your apocalyptic scenario is pretty amusing.

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I'm still enjoying Clifton's offer of dirges for scourges.

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db: it is like when we were in high school and guys wanted to talk to the girls they met about their car, gag. all the girl usually wanted to know was what color it was. i can see it now though: "come on home with me baby and i'll show you my large bulging, pulsing, phallic shaped 300B". that's sure to get you some.
funny thread.

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I was gonna try to adapt the old Fabulous Fury Freak Brothers saying, but I wasn't sure which terms, music or sex, to substitute for money and drugs.

I'll let y'all make up your own minds.

Maybe a poll...

Which is it:

1) Sex will get you through times of no Hi Fi better than Hi Fi will get you through times of no sex.
Or...

2) Hi Fi will get you through times of no sex better than sex will get you through times of no Hi Fi.

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Now, on with the discussion...

Going to CD from LP was one of the greatest breakthroughs for sex I've ever encountered. It essentially doubled my down time.

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Properly done, with the proper training, meditation can get one considerably higher than sex or music, by a damn long shot. And it will make you literally...more intelligent. More leads to even more. A positive feedback system of the highest order. Kinda hard, I mean difficult, to say that about sex.

I mean, once one learns the tricks of meditation, one can even, er, 'tweak' oneself, while lets say...riding the bus. Or on the elevator. Or at the work desk. Yes...self-wanking without taking any clothes off, or even having the appearance of such.

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Properly done, with the proper training, meditation can get one considerably higher than sex or music, by a damn long shot. And it will make you literally...more intelligent. More leads to even more. A positive feedback system of the highest order. Kinda hard, I mean difficult, to say that about sex.

I mean, once one learns the tricks of meditation, one can even, er, 'tweak' oneself, while lets say...riding the bus. Or on the elevator. Or at the work desk. Yes...self-wanking without taking any clothes off, or even having the appearance of such.

Personally, I prefer girls.

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