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Thanks for the greetings, Freako, but on the topic at hand, as eric once pointed out, you lack a certain perspective. You have not been told you will be banned if you displease SM in some unspecified manner. Stephen has not put his facts straight, he bought jj's fabrication because it got him off the hook of answering how he moderates this forum. "We will decide" is no more helpful than "do as you're told" when what you are told is at odds with the facts. He claims not to have even known exactly what it was he agreed to and yet he allowed jj's words to stand as his reply to eric's honest and straight forward questions. With that, it wouldn't surprise me if eric decided this is an unfriendly forum to anyone wishing to discuss audio and took his contributions elsewhere, which would be IMO a loss for this forum. You can see DL took Stephen's response as a "win" which means he now feels even more emboldened and protected. I think eric deserves a better answer than has been provided given he is under threat of unspecified whims. I don't think those answers should be placed behind a curtain of PM's and emails as I personally have a history of seeing such backdoor deals not being honored by all involved. When ethan broke such an agreement between myself, SM and winer, Stephen wouldn't even mention winer's name in my emails and PM's regarding the matter. That's not equal and fair moderation IMO. And DL is looking far too much like someone who agreed to deals and then quickly dishonored his word. Obviously, no one here is looking for a "baby sitter" but SM's hopes for this forum have not been proven realistic during the years I have been here. He doesn't understand why we continue to have these discussions. Has he never heard the old adage; if you continue to do (or not do) the same thing, you cannot expect different results? In reality SM is the only person who can stop these discussions from coming up. If not now, when?


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The poor man is exhausted.

I have to say, if agreeing to something you do not understand is the extent of your stamina, we're in trouble here.

That said, I would appreciate a return to an audio discussion if you have some place to start that doesn't first throw out the preceeding months of discussion just because you don't want to hear it or because you prefer to continue trolling Synergistics. I'm sure "d'ethan" would love nothing more than a few more opportunities to slam Ted.

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Never mind the David-bastard. He's just annoyed his dick is so small...


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We are all adults - well most of us - and since it's obvious that a few members bear psychic scars and horrible trauma's from childhood, I see it as an impossible task to dig deeper into this and reach a constructive outcome. So, let's put it to rest, and discuss the topic if it's still alive.

Happy Birthday USA

Really all grown up behavior asshole. I suggest you get your head out of your own ass so you can post something productive on here. After I suggested we get back on topic all I read was more whining, insults and hurt feelings waaaah!

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I suggest you inform yourself of copyright laws. They have changed in the last 50 years. I'm sorry, there is no "I used it in a comedic thread" exemption

So sue me "Eric", take me to court over me using your "copyrighted" picture You take the cake for being the looney of the month club. Go whine to Stephen some more he just LOVES reading your drivel.

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After I suggested we get back on topic all I read was more blahblahlah troll crap

"d'ethan", your "suggestion" was no more a suggestion than SM's misunderstood agreement was an answer. What's your problem here? Reading comprehension? Or just generic trolling assholeness replete with insults you call "suggestions" while hoping to CYA? If you care to return to the original topic of the thread, catch up to where the actual conversation - not your trolling additions - has brought us.

right back atcha! (Remember that one, "d'ethan"?)

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You can see DL took Stephen's response as a "win" which means he now feels even more emboldened and protected.

It doesn't take a genius to predict a troll.

Which will evoke a troll's response while the rest of us would prefer to discuss audio. To which I would place a pre-emptive ROTFLMAO at "d'ethan". Oh, I remember the day ethan whined to SM about me ROTFLMAO at him. Those were the days.

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I suggest we declare "R.I.P." to fairness and balanced modding, and move on. It has now been proved there's no sense in keeping this up. I'd wish there was a stricter moderator than SM, but there isn't, and peace be with it. We are all adults - well most of us - and since it's obvious that a few members bear psychic scars and horrible trauma's from childhood, I see it as an impossible task to dig deeper into this and reach a constructive outcome. So, let's put it to rest, and discuss the topic if it's still alive.

I agree with you, Freako. I don't see a constructive outcome to any of this, either. Particularly since its clear to me now that none of what I thought were legitimate concerns that I raised will ever be addressed. Speaking of which, to counter some of j_j and Stephen's many false (not to mention insulting) misrepresentations of my beliefs, I never called for stricter moderation. At best, that was another distortion of my words by means of generalization. I was being very specific in saying I don't understand why abuse of the forum and its members, and derailment of audio discussions, is being freely permitted. With respect to allowing dedicated trolls who are against high end audio and audiophiles in general, or targeting a particular high end audio manufacturer, to pursue their clear and stated agenda to troll this forum.

Of course, whatever rules you do have mean nothing if some members are allowed to freely violate them, even after being flagged. But I don't think the lack of rules is the biggest problem you guys face. Just consistency in the enforcement of those rules, in a way that makes sense to people. I just wish there was fairness, balance and consistency in the moderation; without clear prejudice and obvious double standards. As you say, it is what it is, like it or leave. Of the 12,000 who registered, and those who have remained... it would seem that most have. Could that be why it seems to vary from difficult to impossible, if you hope to have a productive, or even just friendly or civil discussion on audio, here on SP?

Peace and RIP. And if anyone wishes to discuss the topic of this thread, without hostility, I might still be up for it. But if its just the usual sophomoric trolls doing their trolling, posing stupid troll questions that have long since been asked and answered (ie. "where's the measurements"), that'll be a no thanks, I have better things to do. Would much rather take advantage of the great weather and catch some outdoor concerts.

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You can see DL took Stephen's response as a "win" which means he now feels even more emboldened and protected.


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Really all grown up behavior asshole. I suggest you get your head out of your own ass so you can post something productive on here. After I suggested we get back on topic all I read was more whining, insults and hurt feelings waaaah!


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So sue me "Eric", take me to court over me using your "copyrighted" picture You take the cake for being the looney of the month club. Go whine to Stephen some more he just LOVES reading your drivel.

Gee, what makes you say that, Jan?

But don't be too disheartened. I am sure there is also a "line" for David L. Perhaps it's further than any of us could ever hope to reach. But nonetheless, it's a line that he will eventually cross, where the administration finally determines he is being too abusive or disruptive, or his "contributions" too negative, or that he's more of a liability than an "asset". Or maybe one day, say, a day when they are having their blinkers cleaned, they will come to see what is plainly evident to many of us. That there has been more than likely evidence to show that he's a manufacturer with a clear-cut agenda to harm his competitor's market share. Of course, realistically speaking, the down side is he'll probably have to kill one of us before anything like that ever happens. I don't mean you, me or rubber duck, but someone much higher up on the totem pole. Still, that's but a small sacrifice in the name of peace and pursuit of happiness, wouldn't you say?

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After I suggested we get back on topic all I read was more blahblahlah troll crap

"d'ethan", your "suggestion" was no more a suggestion than SM's misunderstood agreement was an answer. What's your problem here? Reading comprehension? Or just generic trolling assholeness replete with insults you call "suggestions" while hoping to CYA? If you care to return to the original topic of the thread, catch up to where the actual conversation - not your trolling additions - has brought us.

right back atcha! (Remember that one, "d'ethan"?)

Just more blah blah blah "Sandy"

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That there has been more than likely evidence to show that he's a manufacturer with a clear-cut agenda to harm his competitor's market share.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA funny stuff "Eric", please post some more pictures so I can use them on here ......wait here's one just for YOU

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... maybe one day, say, a day when they are having their blinkers cleaned, they will come to see what is plainly evident to many of us.

Judging from past and present it's not difficult to predict the future on this forum.


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Just more blah blah blah "Sandy"

I'd guess (with near 100% accuracy) that "d'ethan" reached his highest peak of brilliance long ago.

Now he just goes on knowing he is not going to be interferred with and certainly not on a long weekend while SM isn't looking up the meaning of "totalitarianism". I think it's time to enjoy the summer though the weather here is as crappy as "d'ethan's" attitude.

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We are all adults - well most of us - and since it's obvious that a few members bear psychic scars and horrible trauma's from childhood, I see it as an impossible task to dig deeper into this and reach a constructive outcome. So, let's put it to rest, and discuss the topic if it's still alive.

Happy Birthday USA

Freako- Thanks for the birthday wishes. Thanks for your positive contributions to the forum. Thanks for emulating the kind of humility and good cheer that elevates this forum. You are a beacon of hope!

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Thank you. I will stay true to what I believe, even though I am not able to participate directly in all of the debates.

Have a good one!

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All new registrations (we're up to almost 12000 registered accounts).....

I did not realise Froggy and Ethan registered sooo many times with sooo many aliases
Just kidding all, just kidding
Cheers
Orb

Ya gotta wonder, though, sometimes...

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Ya gotta wonder, though, sometimes...

Good to know you see through "d'ethan" too.

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Speaking of which, to counter some of j_j and Stephen's many false (not to mention insulting) misrepresentations of my beliefs,

Lad, I've addressed what you said. I've addressed the way you behaved.

Please don't claim that I know how to read minds. I don't. And if I did, I'm not sure I'd want to read some of what goes on here...

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"Lad"? Oooooh, jj's pulled out the ultimate fake argument from authority, his favorite fake position.

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"Lad"? Oooooh, jj's pulled out the ultimate fake argument from authority, his favorite fake position.

With all the major trolls like Buddha and Elk pulling a disappearing act you have to admit it's very comforting to know we still have j_j around to torture.

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"Lad"? Oooooh, jj's pulled out the ultimate fake argument from authority, his favorite fake position.

With all the major trolls like Buddha and Elk pulling a disappearing act you have to admit it's very comforting to know we still have j_j around to torture.

What a wonderful example of irony.

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"Lad"? Oooooh, jj's pulled out the ultimate fake argument from authority, his favorite fake position.

With all the major trolls like Buddha and Elk pulling a disappearing act you have to admit it's very comforting to know we still have j_j around to torture.

What a wonderful example of irony.

Thanks for taking up some of the slack.

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"Lad"? Oooooh, jj's pulled out the ultimate fake argument from authority, his favorite fake position.

With all the major trolls like Buddha and Elk pulling a disappearing act you have to admit it's very comforting to know we still have j_j around to torture.

What a wonderful example of irony.

Thanks for taking up some of the slack.

You are welcome.

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Boy, geoffie seems to have his thong pulled tight this past week.

Bar codes in the house, phone books in the house....imagine what having a computer in his apartment must be doing! No wonder he's cranky.

Hey, just a mention from "geoffie, king of trolls" is quite an accomplishment....or, maybe he's just so angry because he's morphogenically resonantly coming to terms with a world in which he realizes his BS does nada?

We'll keep trying to help you, geoffie.

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http://business-ethics.com/

Interesting site, magazine, too.

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http://business-ethics.com/

Interesting site, magazine, too.

A very peculiar post from a known troll who has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of ethics.

Begone, troll!!

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Boy, geoffie seems to have his thong pulled tight this past week.

Bar codes in the house, phone books in the house....imagine what having a computer in his apartment must be doing! No wonder he's cranky.

Hey, just a mention from "geoffie, king of trolls" is quite an accomplishment....or, maybe he's just so angry because he's morphogenically resonantly coming to terms with a world in which he realizes his BS does nada?

We'll keep trying to help you, geoffie.

That is so gay! Have you been hanging around Audio Annex again?

BTW, I wuz genuinely sorry to see your posts get deleted over on Iso. Bad Buddha!

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http://business-ethics.com/

Interesting site, magazine, too.

A very peculiar post from a known troll who has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of ethics.

Begone, troll!!

J_J, calling anyone who disagrees with him a troll is geoffie's special way of admitting defeat.

geoffie, your computer screen has now been morphically resonated with bar code images, the images live in the information field on your hard drive...

How do you keep your computer from morphically resonating your Hi Fi? Keep it next to the window AC unit and declare it frozen?

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"J_J, calling anyone who disagrees with him a troll is geoffie's special way of admitting defeat."

You're lying, of course. One liar defending another. The Glitter Twins. BTW you should demand your money back from rehab.

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http://business-ethics.com/

Interesting site, magazine, too.

A very peculiar post from a known troll who has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of ethics.

Begone, troll!!

J_J, calling anyone who disagrees with him a troll is geoffie's special way of admitting defeat.

geoffie, your computer screen has now been morphically resonated with bar code images, the images live in the information field on your hard drive...

How do you keep your computer from morphically resonating your Hi Fi? Keep it next to the window AC unit and declare it frozen?

Lol, the barcode comes from a bag of frozen beans!

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Lol, the barcode comes from a bag of frozen beans!

That would certainly explain all the tooting.

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Always glad to help

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"J_J, calling anyone who disagrees with him a troll is geoffie's special way of admitting defeat."

You're lying, of course. One liar defending another. The Glitter Twins. BTW you should demand your money back from rehab.

Is that you and another barcode cutter cheering for Rupert at the last Sheldrakefest? geoffie, J_J and I are not cheerleaders....you need a new outfit. Maybe one with a church on the shirt.

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Only 159 Days Left In the Year

So........still no news on the magic bowl tests either I see.....*yawn* what else is new? I guess building that new spiffy dedicated room to measure some little metal cups is too stressful and expensive. Will check back in a few more months. I see "Eric" hasn't posted anything in ages since he had his rant, too bad

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STILL nothing???????? Gosh oh golly how the magic bowls seem to be no longer a topic around here at ALL lately. Place your bets ladies and gentlemen on IF they get tested THIS YEAR or NOT!!!!!!!!!! I'm putting my money on the NOT option. How's that superduper special measuring room construction coming along by the way? Are you building it out of pure gold and the Seven dwarves have gone on strike? So what's the hold up NOW??? Maybe it's a case of "we don't care"?

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Silence reigns supreme.
Answers, information, nothing.
What can we decide?

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Silence reigns supreme.
Answers, information, nothing.
What can we decide?

There's one too many
syllables, that's syllables,
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STILL nothing???????? Gosh oh golly how the magic bowls seem to be no longer a topic around here at ALL lately. Place your bets ladies and gentlemen on IF they get tested THIS YEAR or NOT!!!!!!!!!! I'm putting my money on the NOT option.

And you'd win that bet, I am afraid. The engineer concerned felt, given the attitude expressed on this forum by people like you and others, that they would only be letting themselves in for grief, regardless of the outcome of the testing.


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How's that superduper special measuring room construction coming along by the way? Are you building it out of pure gold and the Seven dwarves have gone on strike?

This is an example what they were talking about. What's the point of doing all the work if someone like you seems already to have their mind made up, to judge by your dismissive attitude. No-one has said that they would be building a "super duper measuring room." What I thought I clearly wrote last year was that as they were building a new home with a dedicated listening room, that would give them the opportunity to completely characterize the acoustic of the bare room before installing the bowls. That way, _if_ the bowls were affecting the acoustic, there could be a clean unambiguous measurement of that effect.

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Silence reigns supreme.
Answers, information, nothing.
What can we decide?

There's one too many
syllables, that's syllables,
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John Atkinson
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Oh my dear goodness!
I think you are right there!
This will make it up!

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STILL nothing???????? Gosh oh golly how the magic bowls seem to be no longer a topic around here at ALL lately. Place your bets ladies and gentlemen on IF they get tested THIS YEAR or NOT!!!!!!!!!! I'm putting my money on the NOT option.

And you'd win that bet, I am afraid. The engineer concerned felt, given the attitude expressed on this forum by people like you and others, that they would only be letting themselves in for grief, regardless of the outcome of the testing.


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How's that superduper special measuring room construction coming along by the way? Are you building it out of pure gold and the Seven dwarves have gone on strike?

This is an example what they were talking about. What's the point of doing all the work if someone like you seems already to have their mind made up, to judge by your dismissive attitude. No-one has said that they would be building a "super duper measuring room." What I thought I clearly wrote last year was that as they were building a new home with a dedicated listening room, that would give them the opportunity to completely characterize the acoustic of the bare room before installing the bowls. That way, _if_ the bowls were affecting the acoustic, there could be a clean unambiguous measurement of that effect.

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That works out perfectly.

The ART system is now both the prepetrator and victim of the whole controversy!

Following that logic....

"Here's to alcohol! The cause of... and solution to... all of life's problems"

No way there could be a "measure a room before," then "measure a room after" scenario here.

All in all, that's probably best, anyway.

How about instead....

Measure a new speaker before break in, then after!

I'd still love to see that. It's another controversial but fascinating topic.

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Interesting!

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Buddha, I thought you might enjoy these articles:

http://www.vikash.info/audio/audax/index.asp
http://www.gr-research.com/burnin.htm

Fantastic!

Thanks!

Now, I wonder if they can sometime "unbreak in."

I try to keep my phenolics limber, but as I've described before, I think I can hear my Lowthers change after the first 20 minutes or so of a listening session.

Thanks for the GREAT references.

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Now, I wonder if they can sometime "unbreak in."

I know they can dry rot!

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STILL nothing???????? Gosh oh golly how the magic bowls seem to be no longer a topic around here at ALL lately. Place your bets ladies and gentlemen on IF they get tested THIS YEAR or NOT!!!!!!!!!! I'm putting my money on the NOT option.

And you'd win that bet, I am afraid. The engineer concerned felt, given the attitude expressed on this forum by people like you and others, that they would only be letting themselves in for grief, regardless of the outcome of the testing.


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How's that superduper special measuring room construction coming along by the way? Are you building it out of pure gold and the Seven dwarves have gone on strike?

This is an example what they were talking about. What's the point of doing all the work if someone like you seems already to have their mind made up, to judge by your dismissive attitude. No-one has said that they would be building a "super duper measuring room." What I thought I clearly wrote last year was that as they were building a new home with a dedicated listening room, that would give them the opportunity to completely characterize the acoustic of the bare room before installing the bowls. That way, _if_ the bowls were affecting the acoustic, there could be a clean unambiguous measurement of that effect.

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WOW just fucking WOW After ALL the waiting and serious attempts at getting you and the "engineer" to finally build that room and measure the magic bowls YOU and him decide it's not worth it because of my attitude? LMAO! That has to be the biggest cop out I've seen here lately Atkinson. You and others on your staff said without a doubt that these things were changing how the music sounded YET you can't even put your money where your mouth is and TEST the damn things? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA So you can go on and on about your testing with speakers and how what you measure shows up in the listening tests but not for the bowls because? I'm waiting for an honest answer here. YOU have had us waiting for almost 2 years with promises of having these bowls tested but in the end you look like an idiot for blaming ME as the reason for not doing so? Unbelievable It's not really that hard to make a room empty for testing purposes.I think your unwillingness to do any tests just backs up what myself and others on here said a long time ago, that these things are snake oil pure and simple. Either back up your claims or stop defending these silly bowls.I guess this conveniently gets you off the hook now huh? I mean you can't get the "engineer" to do any tests and you just can't be bothered yourself to even try. Oh well chalk up another "we don't care and never did" result for you and Stereophile.

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WOW just fucking WOW After ALL the waiting and serious attempts at getting you and the "engineer" to finally build that room and measure the magic bowls YOU and him decide it's not worth it because of my attitude? LMAO!

To put it simply, David: first you poison the well; then you complain when others decide not to drink the water. You have given every sign of refusing to adjust your position when faced with contrary evidence. So why should anyone go to what would be a great deal of effort to try to convince you?


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That has to be the biggest cop out I've seen here lately Atkinson.

What is it with the skeptics, that they always call others by their surname? Pretensions of superiority? Or just bad manners?


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You and others on your staff said without a doubt that these things were changing how the music sounded YET you can't even put your money where your mouth is and TEST the damn things? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA So you can go on and on about your testing with speakers and how what you measure shows up in the listening tests but not for the bowls because? I'm waiting for an honest answer here.

I have been honest with you all along, David. Just because we disagree doesn't mean one of us must be dishonest. Or is this more your pretensions of superiority?

Measuring the effect, if any, of the bowls is never going to be straightforward. You are looking for a very small change that to a microphone that is not hooked up to a brain, might well be be obscured by the usual measurement artefacts. That is why both the engineer and I felt that the starting point should be a bare room that could be completely characterized, acoustically. Otherwise, we could well up chasing ghosts.


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It's not really that hard to make a room empty for testing purposes.

As with your attitude to testing, it always looks easy to those who are not involved. Let's say we start with my own listening room. It has several thousands LPs and CDs, and about the same number of books, as well as furniture, equipment, etc. Straightforward to empty that room? Yes. But _time-consuming_? Very. As well as the fact that that room is used every day to generate reviews for the magazine. So am I going to do all that work, and cease reviewing regular components for while, just to satisfy your curiosity? Not really. And are you even a reader of Stereophile, to make such a demand?


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Either back up your claims or stop defending these silly bowls.

We honestly reported, in show reports, what we perceived. End of story. I don't have to _prove_ to you what I perceived. Why don't you _yourself_ go to a Synergistic dealer and try the bowls for yourself, if you are that curious? Scared of what you might perceive? Or do you just like making demands of others?


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I guess this conveniently gets you off the hook now huh? I mean you can't get the "engineer" to do any tests and you just can't be bothered yourself to even try. Oh well chalk up another "we don't care and never did" result for you and Stereophile.

Another? What other instances have there been?

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Great reply! I too am sick and tired of reading DavidL's repeated ranting and groundless complaining.

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WOW just fucking WOW After ALL the waiting and serious attempts at getting you and the "engineer" to finally build that room and measure the magic bowls YOU and him decide it's not worth it because of my attitude? LMAO!

To put it simply, David: first you poison the well; then you complain when others decide not to drink the water. You have given every sign of refusing to adjust your position when faced with contrary evidence. So why should anyone go to what would be a great deal of effort to try to convince you?


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That has to be the biggest cop out I've seen here lately Atkinson.

What is it with the skeptics, that they always call others by their surname? Pretensions of superiority? Or just bad manners?


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You and others on your staff said without a doubt that these things were changing how the music sounded YET you can't even put your money where your mouth is and TEST the damn things? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA So you can go on and on about your testing with speakers and how what you measure shows up in the listening tests but not for the bowls because? I'm waiting for an honest answer here.

I have been honest with you all along, David. Just because we disagree doesn't mean one of us must be dishonest. Or is this more your pretensions of superiority?

Measuring the effect, if any, of the bowls is never going to be straightforward. You are looking for a very small change that to a microphone that is not hooked up to a brain, might well be be obscured by the usual measurement artefacts. That is why both the engineer and I felt that the starting point should be a bare room that could be completely characterized, acoustically. Otherwise, we could well up chasing ghosts.


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It's not really that hard to make a room empty for testing purposes.

As with your attitude to testing, it always looks easy to those who are not involved. Let's say we start with my own listening room. It has several thousands LPs and CDs, and about the same number of books, as well as furniture, equipment, etc. Straightforward to empty that room? Yes. But _time-consuming_? Very. As well as the fact that that room is used every day to generate reviews for the magazine. So am I going to do all that work, and cease reviewing regular components for while, just to satisfy your curiosity? Not really. And are you even a reader of Stereophile, to make such a demand?


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Either back up your claims or stop defending these silly bowls.

We honestly reported, in show reports, what we perceived. End of story. I don't have to _prove_ to you what I perceived. Why don't you _yourself_ go to a Synergistic dealer and try the bowls for yourself, if you are that curious? Scared of what you might perceive? Or do you just like making demands of others?


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I guess this conveniently gets you off the hook now huh? I mean you can't get the "engineer" to do any tests and you just can't be bothered yourself to even try. Oh well chalk up another "we don't care and never did" result for you and Stereophile.

Another? What other instances have there been?

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Ermmmmm it wasn't just me I think there were and still are several persons on here that wanted results.You and your "engineer" never even tried to measure anything. All we had to go on was some subjective say so from you, "Eric" and Jason. Hell even Ted supplied some erroneus acoustic results then turned tail and fled when confronted with his error. At least he was willing to supply some sort of measurement what's your excuse? Again you supply nothing to back up your claims of hearing a difference and won't even bother trying to measure the bowls? Fine that speaks volumes on your confidence on what can and can't be measured without even trying

Bad manners? How about you breaking your promise to have these bowls tested? That's bad manners.Stop trying to turn this around by accusing me of "ruining" everything by asking questions.

Now how would you know that the acoustic testing would involve a very small change at the microphone when you haven't even tried it? Come on. Going by what you, Eric and Jason said, it should be so obvious that the effect would be very measurable if these bowls did anything.Again you supply conjecture without any proof.

Jesus, you make it out like the only room you are willing to test these in is your own room and can't be bothered emptying it lol. You have all the resources available to you and other reviewers but still after 2 years you fail at getting this simple job done
Once more you make it look like it's just me that wanted to see the results when it was numerous others also that was hoping you would live up to your word and make the measurements. So much for expectations involving you.

Hahahahaha no I guess you don't have to prove any of what you perceive at trade shows if this is the way you feel about things.Why bother testing speakers then? Just tell us what you perceive about them and save yourself time and effort doing measurements.
So tell me why you are scared yourself to do the measurements. Afraid of what might not show up as claimed?
Demands? I think just expecting you to live up to your promises is what we all "demand" give me a break about "demands" Hey you just don't want to even TRY admit it.

The other instances would be any interconnect, speaker cable or power cords mentioned in your magazine. NO measurements needed or supplied just what the reviewer "perceived". I can see that no matter what I say or others here say will influence you to change your mind and do the promised measurements. You've "found" a way out by claiming the "engineer" might get his feelings hurt by the big bad David that asks questions instead of just being quiet and accepting what he's told as being the truth. Congrats to you and Ted. You nor him feels obligated to supply anything remotely appearing close to being an accepted acoustic measurement because I, myself have asked too many questions and being skeptical
Whatever, have fun"perceiving" every component, I'm sure what you hear is all "real"

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Great reply! I too am sick and tired of reading DavidL's repeated ranting and groundless complaining.

Try that marvel of the internet and place me on the IGNORE list. No one asks you to read my posts so stop complaining yourself

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David L, you should embrace your dark power.

Demand more Musical Fidelity reviews!

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David L, you should embrace your dark power.

Demand more Musical Fidelity reviews!

I demand that everyone stop making claims that I demand stuff

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