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OMG, is there no end to Ethan and the Frog? They have been banned for months, but their ghosts still haunt this forum at a daily basis...

Not as long as some here can't get it through their heads that I'm not Ethan Talk about paranoids. Maybe they should cut back on the weed.

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You have yet to prove you are not Ethan and you have yet to prove eric is Michigan. Freako's video is more proof that eric is his own person than you've managed in several posts trying to pin accusations on Michigan.

Since you were leaving, why should any of this matter to you if you are not winer acting as a sockpuppet?

Your constant complaints against the ART devices and Ted and now about eric (always a crusade against someone) seems to be conclusive proof you are Ethan - you certainly sound like Ethan, much more than eric sounds like Michigan. You've personally insulted and attacked May, eric, geoff, Steve and me, all people Ethan insulted and attacked with virtually every single post. Now, I ask, who do you think you sound like? Ethan is well known for having multiple sockpuppets at any one time. Should you actually leave (you promised, remember?), it would be no surprise should another surrogate pop up on this forum. You seldom spend time actually discussing audio but instead insult and attack while demanding from others what you will not do yourself. Who does that sound like? You complain to SM about others treating you unfairly. Who does that sound like? You don't really know science - OK, that's the clincher!

You might say you're not winer, D'Ethan, but your posts say different. If you aren't Ethan, you're sharing his brain and that leaves you a half wit.

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Best one yet! I guess if I'm "Mighican J. Frog" now, then that must make you Daffy Duck!

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I would tend to think they don't resonate inside the box. Not simply because it's in an enclosure, but they are fitted into tight foam slots inside the box.

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OMG, is there no end to Ethan and the Frog? They have been banned for months, but their ghosts still haunt this forum at a daily basis...

Everyone has it backwards: Ethan is Eric Arjes. A simple search of hospital records in Ethan's home town shows him admitted for plastic surgery, hair transplants and liposuction prior to arjes postings.

Ethan plays cello, arjes plays guitar. Coincidence ? I think not.

Check the bank records, Ethan bought stock in Ted's company.

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You have yet to prove you are not Ethan and you have yet to prove eric is Michigan. Freako's video is more proof that eric is his own person than you've managed in several posts trying to pin accusations on Michigan.

Since you were leaving, why should any of this matter to you if you are not winer acting as a sockpuppet?

Your constant complaints against the ART devices and Ted and now about eric (always a crusade against someone) seems to be conclusive proof you are Ethan - you certainly sound like Ethan, much more than eric sounds like Michigan. You've personally insulted and attacked May, eric, geoff, Steve and me, all people Ethan insulted and attacked with virtually every single post. Now, I ask, who do you think you sound like? Ethan is well known for having multiple sockpuppets at any one time. Should you actually leave (you promised, remember?), it would be no surprise should another surrogate pop up on this forum. You seldom spend time actually discussing audio but instead insult and attack while demanding from others what you will not do yourself. Who does that sound like? You complain to SM about others treating you unfairly. Who does that sound like? You don't really know science - OK, that's the clincher!

You might say you're not winer, D'Ethan, but your posts say different. If you aren't Ethan, you're sharing his brain and that leaves you a half wit.

I SAID I was leaving THAT particular thread dumbass, learn to READ next time Blah blah blah blah, that's your posts. I don't care what you say so just keep blahing PLEASE take your pills before you have a stroke

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To All.

A gentleman called me and was confused with David L's comment back on page 13.


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As I see it, the audio ground signal paths between components is very short compared to the path from chassis ground, through the power cord, to earth ground sooooooo, since current travels through the path of least resistance, the audio signal does NOT travel through a power cord ground at all.

What confused him is the comment that "the audio signal does NOT travel through the power cord ground at all".
How can that be unless the jack (signal) ground is not connected to the chassis/power cord ground. And if it cannot handle a very small musical signal current how can it protect against a huge short circuit. His concern is that the jack could become a shock hazzard.

Of course one could be killed if 120 vac got on the jack and one attempted to plug in an IC. However, code requires any external part to be protected by proper grounding to the power cord ground wire.

In fact it is impossible to get shocked between jacks of two different components since both components have their input/output jacks grounded via the power cord ground wire. The resistance between jacks of almost all components measures near zero ohms since only approximately 12 feet of power cord ground wire connects the jacks.

If one still has doubts, simply remove the ICs between the components, take an ohmmeter and measure near zero resistance between the jacks on the 2 components. So shocking voltage potential cannot occur between jacks of different components (three wire power cords).

To finish the response to the caller and others, to eliminate confusion, the musical signal also travels through the 12 feet of power cord ground wire as it is in parallel with the interconnect cable (IC) shields. Anyway there should be no problems with being shocked following proper design/electrical code.

If there are others confused/worried, rest assured that the jacks are protected because they are connected to chassis/power cord ground as per proper design and electrical code.

Cheers.

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ROTFLMAO at you!!!

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ROTFLMAO at you!!!

Ah, the pissing contest continues, the usual suspects wringing their mops.

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DavidL,
coming back to one aspect I mentioned awhile ago was that of a precise room to assist with both measuring and modelling, and may add to the length of delay in design and implementation of a room along with the whole methodology involved in this testing.
As an example here is a company and software along the lines I mean, also has article/papers near the bottom of left hand links.
Hopefully this is of use.
http://www.catt.se/

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ROTFL atyeeeeew!!!

geoff, no wonder you didn't make it as a comic, you're timing sucks. No wonder why B/Beck finds you funny.

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SAS, DavidL: I thought you guys were done with each other.

I had signed off this string after providing evidence, but if you notice my last post, I had to correct David's obvious lack of understanding in even basic science, despite his now education claims. Please tell him to stop as I was quite willing to.

This is my last post Stephen.

Cheers.

Apparently NOT What's your problem missing Ethan?

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DavidL,
coming back to one aspect I mentioned awhile ago was that of a precise room to assist with both measuring and modelling, and may add to the length of delay in design and implementation of a room along with the whole methodology involved in this testing.
As an example here is a company and software along the lines I mean, also has article/papers near the bottom of left hand links.
Hopefully this is of use.
http://www.catt.se/

Thanks
Orb

Thanks for the link BUT does JA require a NEW testing room to test the speakers in Stereophile? He seems to do just fine each month for years on end with the current room. Now if Ted's magic bowls do as claimed , it should be soooooooo easy to just place them as instructed and measure, then remove and remeasure but the again that would involve simple logic and the desire to get this over and done with.

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SAS, DavidL: I thought you guys were done with each other.

I had signed off this string after providing evidence, but if you notice my last post, I had to correct David's obvious lack of understanding in even basic science, despite his now education claims. Please tell him to stop as I was quite willing to.

This is my last post Stephen.

Cheers.

Apparently NOT What's your problem missing Ethan?

Well I had someone call me all confused and concerned (and I am sure others are as well) that he could be electrocuted by plugging an IC into a component that has a short in it. So I had to clean up your grossly inaccurate posts (from near the beginning) and restore confidence in proper design/electrical code.

Hopefully my previous post will solve the confusion and restore confidence in products/code.

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DavidL,
coming back to one aspect I mentioned awhile ago was that of a precise room to assist with both measuring and modelling, and may add to the length of delay in design and implementation of a room along with the whole methodology involved in this testing.
As an example here is a company and software along the lines I mean, also has article/papers near the bottom of left hand links.
Hopefully this is of use.
http://www.catt.se/

Thanks
Orb

Thanks for the link BUT does JA require a NEW testing room to test the speakers in Stereophile? He seems to do just fine each month for years on end with the current room. Now if Ted's magic bowls do as claimed , it should be soooooooo easy to just place them as instructed and measure, then remove and remeasure but the again that would involve simple logic and the desire to get this over and done with.

Well, good point. JA seems comfortable measuring in a variety of reviewers' rooms, too.

A bowl survey of measuring in several reviewers' rooms would be fascinating....and I would say the same about measuring speakers that way, too.

That would be a neat project, comparing the same speaker's performance in several different reviewers' rooms.

This has been done in the past with a few models here and there, JA's room vs. another, and not doing it is no failing, but it would make for a great room vs. room discussion!

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Wouldn't that also require using the same system all around? Otherwise they'd be testing equipment as well. Also, considering the difference with different speaker setup possibilities, they would have to place the speakers exactly the same in every room, right?

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coming back to one aspect I mentioned awhile ago was that of a precise room to assist with both measuring and modelling, and may add to the length of delay in design and implementation of a room along with the whole methodology involved in this testing.
As an example here is a company and software along the lines I mean, also has article/papers near the bottom of left hand links.
Hopefully this is of use.
http://www.catt.se/

Thanks
Orb

Thanks for the link BUT does JA require a NEW testing room to test the speakers in Stereophile? He seems to do just fine each month for years on end with the current room. Now if Ted's magic bowls do as claimed , it should be soooooooo easy to just place them as instructed and measure, then remove and remeasure but the again that would involve simple logic and the desire to get this over and done with.


There is no font big enough to do a sigh relating to your posts is there when it comes to this subject and actual testing/measuring
This is not a bloody review but a test where some will vehemently state the bowls will either work or are snakeoil, hence it is critical to follow science and engineering principles as mentioned MANY times by several posters including JA.

YOU wanted a test done scientific/engineering principles proving the bowls do not work and yet moan when actual methodology is followed that may be slowing the process down.
I really do not see the point of you keeping on about these bowls when you seriously cannot grasp the understanding or requirements when certain hypothesis have already been explained in this thread multiple times.
Please take the time to learn something about science or engineering before you carry on in this cycle of pointless posting you are currently achieving rather well.

Buddha, you should also understand why it is critical and a slow process before supporting DavidL as well.
Disappointed in both of you TBH in not even trying to understand why measurements-modelling with ideal room would actually help.
I give in and put my hands up with a white flag, keep on in your usual intransigent cycle with some others

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Wouldn't that also require using the same system all around? Otherwise they'd be testing equipment as well. Also, considering the difference with different speaker setup possibilities, they would have to place the speakers exactly the same in every room, right?

I would not bother arguing with Buddha.
When audio manufacturers want to test their audio products in a room, unlike DavidL and Buddha they actually prefer to use some sort of engineering and for some this actually includes that product I provided a link for.
So when some (and they do) audio manufacturers of speakers/EQ use that modelling product I linked when they are testing in their bespoke listening room they must obviously be doing something wrong according to those two.

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Wouldn't that also require using the same system all around? Otherwise they'd be testing equipment as well. Also, considering the difference with different speaker setup possibilities, they would have to place the speakers exactly the same in every room, right?

I would not bother arguing with Buddha.
When audio manufacturers want to test their audio products in a room, unlike DavidL and Buddha they actually prefer to use some sort of engineering and for some this actually includes that product I provided a link for.
So when some (and they do) audio manufacturers of speakers/EQ use that modelling product I linked when they are testing in their bespoke listening room they must obviously be doing something wrong according to those two.

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Orb

You forgot to indict JA.

If you were to read the magazine, you'd see that JA posts speaker to speaker comparisons from reviewers rooms.

What I was talking about would not exactly be some incredible sweeping step beyond.

It's not about doing anything wrong, Orb, I was encouraging curiosity, ass wipe!

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Wouldn't that also require using the same system all around? Otherwise they'd be testing equipment as well. Also, considering the difference with different speaker setup possibilities, they would have to place the speakers exactly the same in every room, right?

I would not bother arguing with Buddha.
When audio manufacturers want to test their audio products in a room, unlike DavidL and Buddha they actually prefer to use some sort of engineering and for some this actually includes that product I provided a link for.
So when some (and they do) audio manufacturers of speakers/EQ use that modelling product I linked when they are testing in their bespoke listening room they must obviously be doing something wrong according to those two.

Cheers
Orb

You forgot to indict JA.

If you were to read the magazine, you'd see that JA posts speaker to speaker comparisons from reviewers rooms.

What I was talking about would not exactly be some incredible sweeping step beyond.

It's not about doing anything wrong, Orb, I was encouraging curiosity, ass wipe!

Cheers.

Your post was anything but curiosity, just to remind you.
This is NOT a review using standard speaker measurements and JA does not measure the room per se but the speakers in the room, this is not designed to measure detailed changes that can occur relating to room environment.
If it was so simple then that company link I provided would not be in business and be used by professional audio companies when testing in their own bespoke rooms - they could rely on the simpler measurement techniques that are fine for reviews.
You did take a look at what it can do and the presentations?
I doubt this as you would realise the link was a food for thought that if doing this properly engineering a room for this test is not simple.
The software may not necessarily need to be used but it highlights engineering considerations that may well be delaying the testing process.
Just to recap that if you were curious you would not posted as follows;

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Well, good point. JA seems comfortable measuring in a variety of reviewers' rooms, too.

A bowl survey of measuring in several reviewers' rooms would be fascinating....and I would say the same about measuring speakers that way, too.


A post made on assumptions without query or asking/wondering if any additional factors may be a consideration beyond the use any room as is and use speaker review measurements.
However without such a product it is not possible to model what may be happening if measurements are changing (consider that any measuring will probably have to be beyond basic speaker 20-20khz test).

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So according to you, Ted's magic bowls are so SPECIAL that they require a SPECIAL room built just for the purpose of testing them? Give me a break Either they can be measured in a conventional room or they can't. Either they work as claimed of they don't. Either you can tell the difference using a DBT or you can't. Lets stall some more with the tests, maybe Ted will go out of business or die of old age and we won't have to bother anymore.

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(consider that any measuring will probably have to be beyond basic speaker 20-20khz test).

Lets ask May,maybe it's something to do with creamer

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Mr PA saves the day again

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You really do not want to accept that there may be caveat and the argument cycle to overcome along with using a scientific/engineering focus such as what I said in the other thread on this subject to Geoff.
When JA mentioned that you lacked a scientific approach, did you go away to try to follow up on what he was trying to say?
I can see reasons for using and not using the software, my point was to highlight some of the delay and potential engineering/scientific considerations, as you continue moaning about the delay for what you state and in your own opinion is a simple test.

Anyway.
My new word for this week...Is...
Intransigent - this now looks to also apply to me, how did I get dragged into this mess aaallllaaas .
Wait that was last weeks word as well

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We've had a lack of scientific approach regarding the magic bowls for way over a year now.

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Touche

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These are the newest product in Michael Jungblut's HighEndNovum range. The MKUs (Musikalische Klanguntersteller), ca. 7cm diameter, 4.5cm tall resonators cast from bell bronze and weighing 380g each. For placement beneath digital source components, turntables and powerline boxes, the MKUs are claimed to reintroduce certain lost harmonic detail due to their specially tuned metallurgy. A set of three sells for

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What's your problem missing Ethan?

Why should he be missing you? You're right here. You never went away as you were told, you just changed your name and your ISP. You never get tired of JA telling you that you have no knowledge of audio or science, do you? You never get tired of being bested by sas, do you? Otherwise, how would "DavidL" - if you're not D'Ethan that is - have known about Steve's history with Ethan? As a matter of fact, you've shown a remarkable degree of knowledge of this forum for someone with only a few hundred posts all accumulated over the last few months. You really want us to think you were only lurking during the ART device measurement thread and you didn't have a thing to say during all those pages the thread went on between Ethan and Michigan? C'mon, D'Ethan! Your slip is showing.

Say, have you met JohnnyR over at the Audiojunkies AcousticARTthread? He sure sounds alot like you (and, curiously enough, alot like Ethan too); http://www.freezepage.com/1275855730EXHGJPMHMA

'Course, that Aslan guy's pretty much got the two(?) (one?) of you figured out; "aslan 1 year and 4 months ago,
5555,
Who do YOU work for? I did a google search on "Synergistic Research Acoustic ART" looking for information and found this thread.
Perhaps if I spent as much time posting to consumer electronics threads as you profess I would qualify to share my opinion."

That JohhnyR's a hoot! He even uses the same insulting words you do when you're in one of your "persnicketty" moods. You wrote to me;


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David L.: "Not as long as some here can't get it through their heads that I'm not Ethan Talk about paranoids. Maybe they should cut back on the weed. "

David L.: I SAID I was leaving THAT particular thread dumbass, learn to READ next time Blah blah blah blah, that's your posts. I don't care what you say so just keep blahing PLEASE take your pills before you have a stroke

JohhnyR wrote;


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"Tiny": "Wow Aslan you're true alter ego is showing and so is your stupidity. Fiji explained a long time ago why he comes on here but it's you that *****keeps blah blah blahing**** with your childish rants when you can't come up with a good rational explanation as to why you keep coming here yourself lol "

"JohnnyR": "ZzzzzzZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZzzzzzzzzzz boring. So me and Fiji555 and whathisname are all the same person? hahahahaha funny stuff dude. But I can bet as soon as I post this someone will reply because the ****paranoidsp*** at ART will be watching this thread like a hawk lmao have fun getting your panties in a wad guys. BTW Stereophile will say anything good to get advertisers. "

"JohnnyR": "Gosh Asian, it must be a conspiracy of ONE on the internets wanting to defame the ART CRap System huh? LMAO what a joke you are. PLEASE, there are plenty of other people who don't fall for this BS. Take your pills and calm down."

Sockpuppet D'Ethan anyone? Alter-ego? Man, you are A-L-L-L-L-L over the web using one name or more on each audio forum. If that ain't a familiar tactic used by someone with an agenda against Ted and Synergistics, you'll have to do some talking to dissuade anyone with the ability to follow a lead. SM, I'm not telling you what to do, but I don't think you should be so certain about just who D'Ethan really is. Follow the leads and it will plop you right down in Oz - Ethan style no matter how many different names he registers under. Do not trust the man behind the curtains. Or just ask B/Beck, I'm sure he knows who D'Ethan really is.


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Guys the conversations are getting funnier by the minute over at that link I posted. Maybe we should chime in also?
http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/1571#continued

http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showpost.php?p=1549342&postcount=47

And the good news is, you're a cross forum troll too! Wow! where have we seen that before?!!!

Been around awhile, eh? Been around awhile doing your anti-everything Ethan dislikes schtick it looks like. Been around everywhere you could slam Ted and the ART devices is more like it and using more than a few names to even talk to yourself to agree how much "all" of you hate Ted and snake oil. Pretty sick when you're entire life is devoted to spending time on audio forums (anyone guess who that sounds like?) doing nothing on any of them except attacking a competitor (anyone guess who that sounds like?). Follow your posts (under any of a dozen names) anywhere nowdays and for the past two years you've devoted your sockpuppets' lives to slamming Ted.

D'Ethan, you are not a likeable fellow. The more you get people here to talk to "DavidL", the more Ethan gets to do his dirty deeds. Pay attention, folks, pay attention.

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(consider that any measuring will probably have to be beyond basic speaker 20-20khz test).

Lets ask May,maybe it's something to do with creamer

Coming back on subject after the Jan post

Interesting article by Jeff Fritz about why FR is not the only consideration and fits in with my comment why testing/measuring will probably need to be beyond the basic 20-20khz speaker test:
Article is called: Frequency Response Isn

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Orb, what I posted is the topic. You're talking to Ethan. You're taking his bait and giving him room to slam Ted on this forum and he's reading this snickering thinking he's got this forum fooled again. You don't find any of this strange that this "DavidL" character just showed up knowing an awful lot about this forum but never having posted here - under that name at least?

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*shrug*
TBH does it matter who any of us are, people can be judged by their actions and their posting without needing to know whether it is someone using dual accounts/etc.

After X amount of posts it is possible to see what a person is like on a forum and what their intentions are IMO.

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... does it matter who any of us are ...

If you've been banned for life and you sneak back in by telling lies, then, yes, I would say it matters. If you are pathological about spreading lies against one of your competitors and you use anonymous ISP's and deception to further your chances of being on dozens of forums in order to do only that, then, yes, I would say it matters. If you are taking advantage of a forum's goodwill, then, yes, I would say it matters.

Don't most reasonable people think the same? Or, shall we just ignore all rules because we can see what a person is like and nothing else matters? Do you feed the animals at the zoo also just because you can see what they are?


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You've just made whiners's day and birthed at least three new on line identities.

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" But as anyone knows who

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Note that while those resonators look exactly like a copy of Tchang's devices, they are not designed as acoustic resonators for room treatment. They are meant for use as footers under equipment, and interestingly, under powerline boxes. They are a similar product to the MIGs from Synergistic Research. Except the MKU's retail about $430 US for a set of 3, whereas the Synergistic MIGs retail at $150.

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WOW! Been so busy sitting around twidling my thumbs waiting for the release of their new 'Quantum Ground Lifter' I missed those little gems!


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Gee, where have we heard THAT before?

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(consider that any measuring will probably have to be beyond basic speaker 20-20khz test).

Lets ask May,maybe it's something to do with creamer

Coming back on subject after the Jan post

Interesting article by Jeff Fritz about why FR is not the only consideration and fits in with my comment why testing/measuring will probably need to be beyond the basic 20-20khz speaker test:
Article is called: Frequency Response Isn

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Quite awhile back JA proprosed a schedule that might correlate objective measurements with the subjectively perceived quality of loudspeakers (wasn't it?). As far as I know nothing really came of this project. It would be interesting to hear what held up the project and what determinations had been made by the time it was abandoned.

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13) Blackness in between instruments?
14) Balance between frequenzy ranges? (Bass - mid - treble)

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I am no expert but this is why I mentioned possible delay on room building and also showed a professionally used product CATT-Acoustic and maybe the best measurements/modelling is from room acoustical parameters extracted from selected impulse responses/RIR/echograms.
This gives paramaters such as clarity index/early decay times/speech transmission index/bass ratio-treble ratio/and much more some which may or may not be critical for a product designed to enhance audio performance in an environment such as those bowls.

The point is this fits in with what I have been saying in the last X amount of posts about possible delays and engineering/scientific/considerations approach to the test environment, and critically the benefits of a bespoke and precise built room.

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What's your problem missing Ethan?

Why should he be missing you? You're right here. You never went away as you were told, you just changed your name and your ISP. You never get tired of JA telling you that you have no knowledge of audio or science, do you? You never get tired of being bested by sas, do you? Otherwise, how would "DavidL" - if you're not D'Ethan that is - have known about Steve's history with Ethan? As a matter of fact, you've shown a remarkable degree of knowledge of this forum for someone with only a few hundred posts all accumulated over the last few months. You really want us to think you were only lurking during the ART device measurement thread and you didn't have a thing to say during all those pages the thread went on between Ethan and Michigan? C'mon, D'Ethan! Your slip is showing.

Say, have you met JohnnyR over at the Audiojunkies AcousticARTthread? He sure sounds alot like you (and, curiously enough, alot like Ethan too);

Edits out the rest to save the "sane" crowd the torment of having to re-read that drivel. Wow Jan, how can I, David_L know so much about Steve and Ethan's history here? Maybe because I used to read the forums posted on here for a long time before I ever posted anything? Hey are you that conspiracy guy that was in that movie Slackers? So tell how come YOU know so much about the Audio Junkies thread if it isn't on there anymore? Been trolling on there a long time much? So what was your name, perhaps Aslan? Here's a suggestion, take your little pills and you'll feel a whole lot better and you won't end up making a fool out of yourself on here.

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I am no expert but this is why I mentioned possible delay on room building and also showed a professionally used product CATT-Acoustic and maybe the best measurements/modelling is from room acoustical parameters extracted from selected impulse responses/RIR/echograms.
This gives paramaters such as clarity index/early decay times/speech transmission index/bass ratio-treble ratio/and much more some which may or may not be critical for a product designed to enhance audio performance in an environment such as those bowls.

The point is this fits in with what I have been saying in the last X amount of posts about possible delays and engineering/scientific/considerations approach to the test environment, and critically the benefits of a bespoke and precise built room.

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Orb

I don't suppose you have spent much time listening to music in an anechoic chamber or have spent a lot of time exploring the effects of various room treatments. It's surprisingly easy to ruin the sound in a "precise built room' -- a nice Persian carpet, a couple of tube traps, some acoustic panels here and there, a bit of Sonex, and acoustic ceiling tiles. No slap echo and smooth frequency response, but lifeless, compressed, unextended and unengaging.

An ordinary man has no means of deliverance. - Wm Burroughs

The best laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley. - Old audiophile expression

All the king's horses and all the king's men could not put Humpty Dumpty together again. - Old audiophile expression

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Note that while those resonators look exactly like a copy of Tchang's devices, they are not designed as acoustic resonators for room treatment. They are meant for use as footers under equipment, and interestingly, under powerline boxes. They are a similar product to the MIGs from Synergistic Research. Except the MKU's retail about $430 US for a set of 3, whereas the Synergistic MIGs retail at $150.

Lets keep the advertising to a minimum on the forums "Ted" Jr

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None of this has anything to do with an anechoic chamber and last post on this subject from me.
Look back I mentioned this product as an example is used by actual speaker/eq companies on their bespoke real rooms to actual measure and model and use for potential problems - not anechoic chambers they may also have.
Furthermore those parameters I provided as an example have been used as part of studies and research papers including aspects of subjectivity preference with objectivity measurements.
But again this is moving away from the point......

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13) Blackness in between instruments?
14) Balance between frequenzy ranges? (Bass - mid - treble)

Not understanding, Freako? Or, not experiencing? You can ask for help.

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... take your little pills and you'll feel a whole lot better ...


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"JohnnyR": "Gosh Asian, it must be a conspiracy of ONE on the internets wanting to defame the ART CRap System huh? LMAO what a joke you are. PLEASE, there are plenty of other people who don't fall for this BS. Take your pills and calm down."


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Wow Jan, how can I, David_L know so much about Steve and Ethan's history here? Maybe because I used to read the forums posted on here for a long time before I ever posted anything?

It's not just that you know about Steve and Ethan's history, you know too much about this forum's history to have been only a casual observer. Like I said, I don't see you as a lurker who can restrain himself from posting on a topic such as the ART device measurement thread. Or not post when you and Frog got into your battles on that thread and others like it. You hate subjectivists. Matter of fact, I doubt anyone here believes you to be the "restrained" type - or the rational type when it comes to subjective opinion. I can't imagine you can even remember most of the sockpuppet id's you've used over the years. Particularly now that the psychosis has reached the point where you are so intent on destroying another enemy/competitor that you are using multiple socks in one forum to support the insults made by yet another sock. This is reaching into B/Beck's Norman Bates range of personality disorders in order to destroy a competitor. That alone is evidence you cannot refute, your only purpose here has been to slam Ted. It's been your only purpose through a dozen socks and on a dozen forums for the last two years. Your "been around awhile" was too cute and will be your failing.

D'ethan, you know who Aslan was just as much as you know who JohhnyR is. How would I know about Audiojunkies posts after you've screamed and cried and stomped your feet until the mods removed anything insulting to you?

Why would you even care - why would you even respond to my post - if you didn't begin to realize, to already know, you hadn't completely covered your trail of breadcrumbs? How would I know about your history of multiple socks on multiple forums all devoted for the last two years to destroying Ted? I've been taking my pills, D'ethan, have you started taking your's?

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Lets keep the advertising to a minimum on the forums "Ted" Jr

Why would that bother you so much? You didn't say a thing to rgiban. Why does any mention of Ted's product bother you?

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None of this has anything to do with an anechoic chamber and last post on this subject from me.
Look back I mentioned this product as an example is used by actual speaker/eq companies on their bespoke real rooms to actual measure and model and use for potential problems - not anechoic chambers they may also have.
Furthermore those parameters I provided as an example have been used as part of studies and research papers including aspects of subjectivity preference with objectivity measurements.
But again this is moving away from the point......

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I appreciate your passion and knowledge regarding measurements and DBTs and trust you will return, if not here elsewhere, to spread the gospel. Alas, I am but a poor sinner, with some experience with measuring acoustic resonators (almost all of my products, which number more than 10, are resonators in one form or another) but no experience with DBTs.

Cheers

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Listen asshole, I was responding to another member, not you. I have been avoiding your continued unprovoked trolling of me in this thread. And I was responding on the topic of the thread. While all you are doing is creating disturbances left and right, initiating flame wars, and impeding our discussion on audio. It isn't even "advertising" that you're concerned with. You are clearly targeting anyone here expressing any neutral or positive sentiment toward the Synergistic Research company; calling everyone who does a "shill". Proof of that, is that you had no problem with rgibran posting a picture of the MKU footers. Only with me posting a picture of the Synergistic footers in response.

As Jan Vigne showed, you have been shilling elsewhere on the internet against Synergistic, for at least a year and a half now, under numerous aliases. That's a pretty sick thing to do, dude. And if you're this guy Ethan he talks about, then that explains it all, doesn't it? With nearly 180 posts attacking synergistic here, I suspected you must be a competitor. I am more convinced of that than ever now. Especially after I read some of your trolling garbage on that Audiojunkies thread. It shows you had an agenda to attack Synergistic long before any talk of "measurements". Long before you came to this forum. You sat there attacking the company, and everyone who posted a neutral or positive opinion, for about 18 months. The only thing I don't get, is why have you been given free reign to do the same thing here for another 7? You clearly have nothing to contribute to this forum except personal attacks. Either against other members or against synergistic.

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