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to most of you, this is probably not news, but the french fabricator of OCELLIA speakers uses two speakers and no crossover.

i am attracted because he relies completely on the speaker and more so on the enclosure for an 'instrumental' sound.

for those who have not seen it, the enclosure is built a little like a cello body (though it doesn't look like one), and is reinforced with an interior grid for stiffness.

i am writing to ask anyone who has experience with this manufacturer to share their opinions (or whatever) that might help me to include or exclude these speakers from my shopping list.

there is a positive review at this site:

http://www.ocellia.com/Anglais/a-thfcelia.html

forgive me if i have chosen the wrong forum.

geoff

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I know nothing about the speakers you refer to. So, you can take my information for what it is worth in light of my lack of knowledge to your specific inquiry. I didn't go to the web page since placing a web page in a forum seems a good way to increase your "hits" and therefore move a product line up in placement on search engines such as Google. I've seen the technique used by some less than ethical folks, so I always refrain from assisting their enterprise.

I'll assume you have good intentions and direct you to another thread on another forum. It seems "good" reviews are the rule rather than the exception. I understand this as any reviewer certainly looks at products they are interested in to begin with. Then, unless a product is absolutely horrible, there are usualy good points to be made for many products. A Bose Acoustimass could easily be credited with "being able to fit in your space". That would hardly touch on the other qualities of the product but might move some poor soul to a purchase based on a positive comment made by a reviewer. I think most reveiwers seek to find what is good about a product and let the admonition, "Do not make a purchase without an audition", be their failsafe.

To that end, I think you might want to take a look at the review of the Vienna Acoustics Beethoven loudspeaker in the May Stereophile. It discusses a speaker made along similar lines and which is described as a "music lover's" speaker. There still seems to be a difference between the products meant to inspire emotions and products meant to assist the listener in analyzing the music and the musician's intentions. I believe Stereophile recently had an article examining this situation also. Reading both articles might help you decide which camp you sit in and whether a "music lover's" speaker is worth your time.

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/215072.html

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I would also suggest, should the idea of removing passive parts from the signal path appeal to you, you might want to look at two alternatives to the speaker you describe. You can use an active crossover, many of which can be digital nowdays, to eliminate most of the problems of conventional passive designs. This approach offers the additional benefits of bi or tri-amping the speaker system. This method almost always garners benefits in sound quality. Or, you could look at some of the many single driver, full range designs available today. This technique removes the constraints of melding two dissimilar drivers and typically brings a cohesive and nuanced performance to your room.

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I HOPE you haven't chosen the wrong forum. You certainly ask a legitimate question -- has anyone out here heard this speaker, which makes claims to a unique path to fidelity and is not terribly high priced (about 10 grand, $USD) by American standards. I took a look at the review, and there is nothing shady about it. If it is French and efficient/sensitive, I want to hear it. I own and love the Triangle Volante. To my knowledge, they were not at the recent show in LA. I like the idea of simple crossovers (or, as in this case, none). Maybe one of the Stereophile writers who covers the scene across the pond has run across this brand. It seems like you could contact the company on the web and ask if they have a U.S. distributor. Or, you could write a note to Sam Tellig, who spends time in France occasionally, and ask him to put out his antennae next time he is over there. Cheers, Clifton

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If you want speakers with no crossover get some full range electrostatics. Sound Labs come to mind.

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this is interesting.

first, for those who have questions about my intention, i assure you that i am an uneducated music lover and listen to music perhaps a little more on stereo equipment than i do live. also, i may have access to different manufacturers than you americans (in fact i do

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Hi, geoff,

You can either start a new thread, on this forum, addressed to Sam, or you can find a past post by him (there are a few -- he responded to my comments on the March issue), click on his name, and send him a private message. Welcome to the forum. We all love the music, as you do. Cheers, Clifton.

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Quote:
"... i actually heard them; a local audiophile has a used pair for sale.

... i fear that i will spend my money, despite my research, on what might be considered frivolous components."

Then, you've heard them! Did you like them? Did they remind you of live music? If so or if not, there's your answer. I wouldn't worry at all about a product being considered "frivolous". The point of an audio system should be your pleasure. And, unless you share the house with someone who has a say in the matter, no one else's opinion should count. Please, do not limit your purchases to what is considered approriate by others any more than you would limit your friendships to those who other people deem appropriate. If someone else judges your components or your friends for you, then you should seek at least one new friend and no new components.

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From what I understand piezo tweeters don't need a crossover capicitor. Since it is a two way cabinet design I don't see the foul. Nevertheless, the last thing I would do is buy something made in France. Also, Bose has made a fortune in taking cheap speakers and designing the cabinet around them to pretty good effect.

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well

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touche'

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