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How do you like the way they sound in your system? Did they help you regain some of your upper frequency extension?

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In the description, READ, they can't beleive their own ears!!! Now who keeps saying to just listen and beleive, I am all confused...12 foot magic wire, yet they can't beleive their own ears, are you confused? http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=31879&section=equipment

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I use something similar, 12ga WIRE.

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I was wondering if you ever got a chance to read the mainstream textbooks I suggested in the lower strings (which you never replied too)?

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From the manufacture of the best speakers made for home useage go to www.legacyaudio.com Engineering concepts he uses also read teh WHISPER manual, section about WIRES and how WIRE works and what doesn't matter. Since Bill D. designs the finast home speakers, using real engineering concepts, not mystical strand jumpers, Zen, or physcobabble, I beleive he makes the most sense about WIRES.

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So you (and other objectionists) lord over the scientific community, and pick and choose what to believe.

Not surprising that one never sees documentation/evidence (let alone mainstream evidence) in most objectionist's posts or articles. At least you provided one link.

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DUP

I'm beginning to see a pattern here. For you to consider purchasing a product do you require the manufacturer to deny that cables can make a difference? What about your Magnum Dynalab tuner? I assume that you didn't spring for the wired with Kimber Kable option.

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Forget cables. I know, from a reliable source, that one company supposively used copper coated steel hookup wire for their equipment. Saved "$.03/foot".

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That's right, no optional "Kimber" zen Harmonix,air gap, vacuum gap, or whatever thing his are. I think i used the Parts Express high end gold plated about $6 for like a few feet, works great stays flexible, no oxidation, no loss of plastizers, no gooyey mess, like AQ over priced garbage did, one set, on a lark, junk, gooey mess poor quality stuff. Parts Express stuff genic works fine....really go all out with some Stellar Labs (yeah, I'm sure they have a lab, like Tara does) works great, stays oxidation free, flexible, priced for mortals. How come all my Furman power conditioners domn't have removable line cords, they is all hard wired, using good ole' snap in strain releifs, around a nice HEAVY hard use cord, I guess Furman Sound don't think i need to "upgrade" teh line cord, now do they www.furmansound.com good stuff priced in reality, I use about 6 of em some PF correction units and some surge/spike units w/ really cool volts and current displays, we be sucking some current when we be crankin'. Looked inside teh Furmans, didn't see any magic wires or conenctors, just some basis STUFF BIG AC cap in PF units, now I know it ain't no bad electron catcher like a ByBee magic box, but since Furman sells to pros but what do they know

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Used in broadcast, RECORDING studios http://www.generalcable.com/NR/rdonlyres...SpeakerWire.pdf

Hey DUP, I've used this cable for years, in the wiring of video studios. It's a very basic construction (twisted pair wrapped in foil), inexpensive and, best of all, it really works! I've even layed this cable directly on top of 220 volt fluorescent lights and never had a bit of noise. Instead of spending $2k on wire I'm going to purchase some music.

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That's right. General Cable, Carol Cable, Southwire, Belden...and some more actual makers of wire, not marketing agencys under the guise of mfgs. How come these audiophile advertisers have all teh secret methods that seem to be the way to get it "musical" yet the Beldens, SouthWire, Carol cable etc. only make wire, and it's used in pro situations, and they claim no magic or this month's breakthrough? Anaconda, Mystical names of ZEN, vacuum, air, PTFE, this or that? What is Belden and Gerneral cable doing wrong? In making just WIRE that works? Nuetrik, SwitchCraft and other makers of just connectors, have none of teh magical properties of the full page advertizers, yet they are the industry standrds in audio.video situations. What direction is YOUR interconnect? Shen did wire become a diode or polarized capacitor? Only in audio marketing

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Well, the mass market, and other useages don't care about sonic quality, but toughness and other traits.

I have met some recording engineers and EEs who could not even draw out a simple full wave bridge power supply schematic. One with an EE degree, who designs and builds recording studios, actually told me he did not need to use high quality wire because it was in the recording section, so it did not matter. I asked, is not the recording studio equipment in the audio chain? He never replied.

One of the dirty little secrets is that most recording "engineers" are basically knob twisters with maybe a basic knowledge of electronics. Learned on the job or read a basic book or two. But that is about it.

And you consider them gurus? A few like Mapleshade might be.

Of course the link above has some of the highest capacitance per foot cable on the planet. So a 10 foot run of IC will have 300pf or more of capacitance. Heck, I have seen 3 foot pairs with 475pf (.000475 uf). Hey, why not stick an external capacitor across the output so we can raise the capacitance even higher?

Why not suspend some low capacitance wire in a large grounded tube so the capacitance is alot less? The greater the distance from wire to wire and fron wire to shield, the lower the capacitance. Kinda stiff though.

Here is an idea. How about better insulation to substantially lower the capacitance. Wow, that is a novel thought.

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www.legacyaudio.com PLEASE read Bill D instruction manual about WIRE, and what don't matter, and what does Click WHISPER down to specs, you will see pdf for the instruction manual for teh super fine WHISPERS. And WHY it don't matter. Why things that do , do. So Belden, General,Carol,Rome Cable,and many others just have managed to sell their stuff to ones who don't care...Of course all teh ad makers in Absolute Sound and StereoPhile found all teh people where teh QUALITY of teh sound matters? Hmmm, don't you think that is kinda IMPOSSIBLE? Nuetrik, Switchcraft sell and have thier stuff installed in everything i see, everyone musical instrument stuff, amps, pre amps, hmmmm, no magic coatings on Nuetrik, just sound practical reasons of reliable connections and strong physical strength. AQ should have another breakthrough in a few weeks, don't ya think? Maybe soemthing call GATOR wire, all green etc..they where big on SNAKES a while ago, now BIRDS....hahahahahahahahahaha.

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First off, I can find manufacturers who would disagree with Mr. Duddleston. So who is right?

I see you also have not read the books I suggested, which are standard by many engineers. One book was written by over 26 engineers from RCA. So why don't you believe those?

You have made your same point over and over again. So why do you not give it a rest??

Talk about dictators. I would sure hate to work for you.

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DUP...DUP...wake up. While you were snoozing the Earth gravitational pull changed .0000012%, the Arctic ice cap shrunk .003%, and the continental plates shifted. Not to mention the change in the air quality. These all combined may have affected the harmonic distortion of your speakers. Better check out your sound system. While you do that I'm going to look into gold or platinum power cords. Better conductors can never hurt.

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Proper power cords of proper ga and insulation type for intended purpose is what's needed. This is why they spec certain cords for certain functions. Audio grade power cords don't exist. audio grade wall outlets don't exist. Only in TAS ads or Sterephile ads. Pro audio review and pro sound news have no such ads. If audio grade wall devices exist, why not toaster grade or light grade or tv grade, or Sonicare electric toothbrush recharger grade?

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Maybe MapleShadey has some line cords that must have magic audio properties, clear, wrapped in some friggin saran wrap? Does fire insurance cover nonsense caused fires?

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According to wire of the month ALL CABLES are DIRECTIONAL. Who comes up with this stuff? http://www.audioquest.com/pdfs/aq_cable_theory.pdf

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Dup,i'm not taking sides here but honestly,have you ever tried real hi-end cables in your system like,say, Nordost valhalas ? Let me tell you a story here.Many years ago,when dedicated audio cables went out in the market,just like you, i ignored them and used to say to anyone who asked my opinion that it was a lot of crap.Anyway,at that time my pre amplifier,a Accuphase c-200,did not have a mc phono stage,just a mm one and i bought a Yamaha mc-100 mc i wanted to purchase a step-up device.After searching,i was introduced to a guy at another city who was the importer of Ortofon.I've contacted him and got the step-up device.The guy was also the importer of VanDenHul cables and being an audiophile himself,he used to call me at least twice per week to talk about our "crazines".he asked me many times to give a try to some cables and he allways got the same answer from me.(I am not spending a single dollar on snake oil.I preffer to purchase records with that money) until one day,when i was at his shop,he convinced me to sit down and listen to music while he was replacing cables in the system.Out went the stock cables,in went the VDH.Quess what.
I left that day with not one but two handbags full of cables and trust me,it wasn't my imagination,i could hear things and quite clearly i'd say ! Do yourself a favour Dup.
Do try a few cables if you can.If you can't hear any difference,you'll be double lucky.Not only you'll be sure we are crazy here but you'll save yourself a few dollars.
If on the other hand you do hear a difference,well.just purchase them,sit back and enjoy !

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As a registered forum member, you can choose to

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Proper power cords of proper ga and insulation type for intended purpose is what's needed. This is why they spec certain cords for certain functions. Audio grade power cords don't exist. audio grade wall outlets don't exist. Only in TAS ads or Sterephile ads. Pro audio review and pro sound news have no such ads. If audio grade wall devices exist, why not toaster grade or light grade or tv grade, or Sonicare electric toothbrush recharger grade?

Exactly! Electrons are electrons and they don't know/care what electrical device they are powering up.

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According to wire of the month ALL CABLES are DIRECTIONAL. Who comes up with this stuff? http://www.audioquest.com/pdfs/aq_cable_theory.pdf

These folks need to do their homework. If their products are so great why are they even mentioning "synthetic" fiber.
As for "ST"...it is a type of fiber optic connector (Stick & Twist)not a type of fiber. I wonder what they think SC and MTRJ mean. As for their XLR jacks, I wonder what makes them so special.

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"Exactly! Electrons are electrons and they don't know/care what electrical device they are powering up."

May I suggest, again, reading the college/university text book I suggested in other strings. It is very basic, 1st year, and there is updated info out there, but the author disagrees with your's, and DUP's, above statements.

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"Exactly! Electrons are electrons and they don't know/care what electrical device they are powering up."

May I suggest, again, reading the college/university text book I suggested in other strings. It is very basic, 1st year, and there is updated info out there, but the author disagrees with your's, and DUP's, above statements.

I haven't read the book to which you refer but if the author speaks about metals, and their conductivity, I will agree - different metals conduct differently. It's my understanding that capacitance varies depending the type of metal, the guage, the number of twist per inch, etc., etc.

I wonder, though, how critical is a power cord if the juice from an electrical outlet is run through a power conditioner.

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"Exactly! Electrons are electrons and they don't know/care what electrical device they are powering up."

May I suggest, again, reading the college/university text book I suggested in other strings. It is very basic, 1st year, and there is updated info out there, but the author disagrees with your's, and DUP's, above statements.

I haven't read the book to which you refer but if the author speaks about metals, and their conductivity, I will agree - different metals conduct differently. It's my understanding that capacitance varies depending the type of metal, the guage, the number of twist per inch, etc., etc."

Just what I said, electrons do not just simply "flow" through a wire. There is alot more to it than that.

We do not listen to sweepers, toasters, so no a cord will not make a difference in those applications.

"I wonder, though, how critical is a power cord if the juice from an electrical outlet is run through a power conditioner."

In my experience, it depends on the sonic quality of the audio and conditioner components. Sometimes none, and other times alot. Some conditioners seem to brighten the sound while others seem to darken the sound.

Take care.

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