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Bedini Ultra Clarifier Quadri Beam

It's funny how things work out sometimes. I recently purchased a new copy of Sketches of Spain (Gil Evans/Miles Davis) to replace an earlier copy that had become trashed; I never learn that it's best to leave CDs at home when vacationing.

Sketches of Spain strikes me as a exotic sonic sojourn, the product of the genius of Gil Evans (after Rodrigo) contemplating the mysteries of that melting pot of cultures which was Andalusia during the Middle Ages, or so my imagination has it.

The journey is infused with mystery as complex harmonies dance like the play of shifting colors through which one glimpses fading shadows, flashes of armies gathered on distant plains, the seductive dance of exotic beauties... one need only let one's imagination be swept away!

However with this new CD I was getting none of that, the sound was edgy and bare; when the brass got hot I feared I'd loose the top of my head to a flying razor blade. This was not as I remembered! On the first listen I put it down to mood but the next attempt was no better.

Then a passing thought of a recent post in which I mentioned using a Bedini Ultra Clarifier Quadri Beam on sonically challenged CDs with an earlier CD player prompted me to give it a try.

After listening to about 3 minutes which confirmed the sonic mess I gave the CD a spin. All I can say is that I just returned from a great trip!

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In the interest of peace let me say in advance that I will be ignoring any and all hysterical "this cannot be" replies.

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I agree with ya. I will also ignore , this can't be. Was it the 240V or 120V Beddini, my expereiences show a difference.

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... I will be ignoring any and all hysterical "this cannot be" replies.

"Hysterical". I like that. That's very diplomatic . Considering the possibilities.

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Bedini Ultra Clarifier Quadri Beam?
Is this for real or just a cruel trick?
If for real please supply specifications.
Should I wait for the "Magnificent Bedini the great and his amazing clarifier act"?

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Hmmm, drop the bomb, stir up the inmates, then head for the hills? Sounds like you've been reading too many JV posts.

But I was wondering...If I were to use this gizmo prior to ripping my CD's to flac for my server if I would notice such dramatic improvements?

Hmmm....how many veils can one lift before we have lifted one too many veils?

RG

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It depends on what she looks/sounds like after the seventh veil is lifted...

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Should I wait for the "Magnificent Bedini the great and his amazing clarifier act"?

You can do it yourself and my old Clarifier standard works much better with a 9V battery eliminator instead of changing batteries all the time.

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Very interesting, BJH.

So, what does the device do?

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Very interesting, BJH.

So, what does the device do?

Material on this Furutech page give the basic theory which as I understand is basically that a CD can become magnetized due to small amounts of metals, e.g. iron, in the disc's label and aluminum reflective layer which the demagnetizer removes or neutralizes.

Note that Furutech (same link as above) publishes test results they claim illustrates the effect, e.g. before/after CD Read Error Rates data and other tests as well.

Of course the Furutech product is maligned not only for being a dreaded "demag" tweak but also because of its high cost. However it is worth noting that prior to the appearance of the very expensive Demag they produced a product, RD-1 (later RD-2), that was if I'm not mistaken much closer to the Bedini in cost (and certainly in appearance). They published similar test resusts (located within) for the earlier product as well.

Incidentally as wacky tweaks go this one seems to have some legs. I believe demag products go back to at least 2000 and there was discussion of the positive effects of using cheap bulk erasers before that.

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What's the deal with the avocados?! hahaha

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I've read Bedini's claims regarding magnetism and always wondered if what they are selling isn't just a very high priced bulk demagnetizer. You can still pick up a bulk tape demagnetizer for around $39.

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True,but it won't spin the cd ! ROTFL
Seriously now,the thing works.I can't explain how or why but it works.

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I've read Bedini's claims regarding magnetism and always wondered if what they are selling isn't just a very high priced bulk demagnetizer. You can still pick up a bulk tape demagnetizer for around $39.

Well I got the one I have for $50 so I don't feel terribly out of pocket.

I did experiment with a Rat Shack bulk eraser at a friend's place but got no more than a "feeling" it did something on the CDs we tried; in cases like that if pushed I'd go with "no effect".

That was just before I got the Bedini (my buddy pulled out the bulk eraser after I told him I had the Bedini on the way) and discovering the effect, for me anyway, seemed limited to problem case CDs (e.g. edgy/nasty sounding CDs). I have no idea if a bulk eraser would be as effective (in such cases) as the Bedini.

I do plan to experiment more now that I've witnessed it work with my new CDP, e.g. I'm going to try on some already good sounding CDs.

As for the Furutech Demag I see that as a well-heeled audiophile toy, i.e. for the type that would rather pay $2000 for the Demag rather than look down his nose at using an el'Cheapo Bedini... to say nothing of a bulk eraser!

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Did Bedinni make green pens too? Did you ever come across any writeups from teh invetors of teh optical disc medium, PHILIPS, sony just did teh error correction stuff, Philips brought teh CD to Sony, but i digress, nowhere in anything i ever read from Philips in their papers on optical disc technology, did they EVER mention demagnetizing teh polycarbonate discs. Nad, nothing, not even a glimmer of such a prospect. Why then did the great Bedinni and Fu fu tech discover this previously not know to the invetor or the CD, and Laserdisc, Philips. How much magnetizim is bad, how much from teh motors in teh CD drive? Does magnetizim move light in teh wavelengths in teh range that is being used in Cd, what about Blu Ray, different wvelength.....funny stuff, demagnetizing plastic, read with infrared light, where do the magnetizim have an effect? At the pocket book, it's stick to the money and pulls it out.......Do bedinnis come packaged in sealed cases, or show up in horse carts like teh traveling medicine snake oil salesman of yesteryear, next one ya listen to, do it not knowing if you did your Bedinni or not, how long does Bedinni treatment hold up? Funny stuff

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Quick update...

I tried the Bedini on a "good" sounding CD, the excellent Kenny Barron's Scratch... no difference. Oh well.

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Quick update...

I tried the Bedini on a "good" sounding CD, the excellent Kenny Barron's Scratch... no difference. Oh well.

Hey, BJH, do you have one of those old D'Stat guns?

I'd be curious to hear what you think about using it on a CD and comparing effects with the Bedini. I often wonder if things like the Bedini or Furutech "demagnetizers" are really just removing some static charge.

Then again, I would still have no technical explanation for why either "demagnetizing" or "de-stat-ing" would have any sonic effect on a CD's sound!

Have you ever had the opportunity to notice if a "bad" sounding disc is a thing where all discs of that release are bad, or if it's an individual disc thing?

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Hey, BJH, do you have one of those old D'Stat guns?

I'd be curious to hear what you think about using it on a CD and comparing effects with the Bedini. I often wonder if things like the Bedini or Furutech "demagnetizers" are really just removing some static charge.

No I don't have one... I find wet washing LPs on a VPI 16.5 is very effective at removing static from my LPs (and it stays gone) so I've never bothered with a "D'Stat gun".

I doubt the Bedini could remove static however as it spins the CD at a very fast rate for something like 30 seconds.


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Have you ever had the opportunity to notice if a "bad" sounding disc is a thing where all discs of that release are bad, or if it's an individual disc thing?

The only thing I can say is that don't recall treating my original "Sketches" and it sounded great. Other than that I have no idea.

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