And if you don't like the way they sound you can always use them as egg timers.

they have to be amazing, stereophile said so.

stereophile also says that there is a correlation between how much you spend and how good things are..

so both things must be true.. you know?

Of course you have heard these ?

They do sound incredible, stupidly expensive but they are the best sounding kit ive ever heard.

Alan

of course they sound great... I lived in Germany for 7 years and went to several hifi events both public and private.

if the same speakers were 50 bucks theyd sound like shit.

its all part of the illusion, pal, all part of the scam.

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stereophile also says that there is a correlation between how much you spend and how good things are..

Can you point to where that has been put in print?

You must be too young to remember "The Audiophile Cheapskate" or any number of "giant killer" products reviewed over the decades. You must be young enough or foolish enough to think being ridiculously cynical without supporting facts is cool.

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Of course you have heard these ?

They do sound incredible, stupidly expensive but they are the best sounding kit ive ever heard.

Alan

Hi Welsh,

Obviously an irrelevant point on the Stereophile haters thread. Ridiculously expensive= very offensive to the egalitarian sensibilities of the cost crusaders.

And you couldn't possibly make an informed decision about the quality of their performance because you were mesmerized by the high price! How insulting is that?

Another Dupster rant. Argumentum ad nauseum. Wonderful.

I've heard the MBL's and they are mui fabuloso.

Some of the best I have ever heard. For home listening, maybe even the best. If Warren Buffet wanted my wife for a night, the MBL's would be on the list of things I'd ask for in return.

I think they would be 'properly' priced at 25 grand for the double, and about 12 grand for the single, so I agree about the over-pricing.

DUP is otherwise just doing his usual DUP-savant schtick. If something costs more than his Legacies and is good, he starts acting like Rain Man yelling, "Not good. Not good," until the people trying to have a coversation leave.

there was a recent issue, (I forget which), that specifically mentioned a correlation between cost and "goodness"..ill see if I can scan it in.

not a cynic, just a reformed audiophile. My philosophy is a bit left of Ethan Winer's, but far removed from that of say.. Frog.

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stereophile also says that there is a correlation between how much you spend and how good things are..

Can you point to where that has been put in print?

You must be too young to remember "The Audiophile Cheapskate" or any number of "giant killer" products reviewed over the decades. You must be young enough or foolish enough to think being ridiculously cynical without supporting facts is cool.

I actually like stereophile.... it is good mind numbing entertainment. Much like RS or Maxim or MAD. Bathroom reading in other words. It has a place.. I just dont take anything that is written there too seriously. On the other end of the spectrum is AudioeXpress, an educational publication, absent of voodoo.

but again.. I like my stereophile.

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Of course you have heard these ?

They do sound incredible, stupidly expensive but they are the best sounding kit ive ever heard.

Alan

Hi Welsh,

Obviously an irrelevant point on the Stereophile haters thread. Ridiculously expensive= very offensive to the egalitarian sensibilities of the cost crusaders.

And you couldn't possibly make an informed decision about the quality of their performance because you were mesmerized by the high price! How insulting is that?

I suppose it's all relative. If one has the means to buy a palace, great works of art, awesome cars; why not? Maybe these would go nicely in my Picasso room. Do they come in different finishes?

Wouldn't it be fun?

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Another Dupster rant. Argumentum ad nauseum. Wonderful.

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Good job young man

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I actually like stereophile.... it is good mind numbing entertainment. Much like RS or Maxim or MAD. Bathroom reading in other words. It has a place.

While you're numbing your mind could we have a mercy flush?

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On the other end of the spectrum is AudioeXpress, an educational publication, absent of voodoo.

I love AudioXpress, but there's still a fair amount of voodoo. For example, in the current issue is a DIY article that epitomizes everything that DUP objects to.

The project is a low-powered toob amp that surely measures terribly but the author won't tell us how it measures. Instead he defers to verbiage such as "the sound of the strings ... seem to come forward from the speakers until I felt as though I could reach out and touch them." He does talk about actual measurements, but when you look at the figure he refers to it's just a photo of a voltmeter connected to the amp - there's no actual data. Then there are the ads for magic wire.

All that said, I like AudioXpress a lot, and there are many excellent articles that are pure science. Joseph D'Appolito's series on loudspeaker testing has been simply fabulous and I learned a lot.

--Ethan

Ncdrawl

Your new to the forum, please dont start with the narrow minded hate stuff up front.

Im perfectly capable of differntiation between cost and performance. You also have to be open minded and sometimes items perform fabulously because they are just flat out expensive to make.

Alan

At the other end of the spectrum indeed! AudioXpress (only one "e" for those seeking to Google their way to new thrills) is a DIY magazine. When Stereophile runs DIY articles, there is very little hyperbole beyond, "Yikes, that solder gun gets hot!"

Stereophile is as close to AudioXpress as Playboy is to "The New England Journal of Medicine".

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Maybe these would go nicely in my Picasso room.

A noobie who needs to hear a tale. Early on in my sales career I went with another salesperson to deliver a system we had jointly sold. We had the McIntosh components unpacked and we were considering how to do a proper installation in such a grand home. When we inquired where the Double Advents could be sited the reply came back, "Not on that wall, that's where the Picasso is going to hang."

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The project is a low-powered toob amp that surely measures terribly but the author won't tell us how it measures. Instead he defers to verbiage such as "the sound of the strings ... seem to come forward from the speakers until I felt as though I could reach out and touch them."

Until he could touch the speakers?! At least Stereophile has better writers than the donate-to-get-yourself-some-notoriety submitted articles that are found in AudioXpress.

Maybe it's not that the author won't tell you how the project measures, but that it's a DIY magazine and you need to build one yourself to see how your's measures. Ethan, if you decide whether or not to build an amplifier based on how it measures, you probably should just stick to measuring more comb filtering since it's all that matters anyway.

I've never seen DIY as something based on numbers but rather on the idea of a project that interests me. If it ends up getting torn down for another project, so what? I probably learned something from the project no matter how it measured.

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Maybe these would go nicely in my Picasso room.

A noobie who needs to hear a tale. Early on in my sales career I went with another salesperson to deliver a system we had jointly sold. We had the McIntosh components unpacked and we were considering how to do a proper installation in such a grand home. When we inquired where the Double Advents could be sited the reply came back, "Not on that wall, that's where the Picasso is going to hang."

So it was you who botched that job? I must say, I've been treated better by ma

Of course AVA selling basic tin box amps for $2500 or legacy selling MDF coffins with recycled PA woofers for $15,000 is fantastic value. These companies make no profit whasoever and make the products at a loss for the good of the consumer.

The argument about value in hifi is ridiculous to start with, the whole field of hifi is a luxury marketplace of unecessary toys. In this sense it is similar to numerous other fields, photography, chronolgy, jewellery etc. It is a very simple argument to make that that a Rolex intrinisically peforms the same function as a Casio, yet why do people pay $10,000 for a Rolex ? are they also stupid ? Are people who pay $5,000 for a Leica also stupid ?

As long as the person spending the money can afford it and his getting perceived value in his mind, what is the big deal if someone wants to spend $20,000 on cable or $200,000 on a pair of speakers ? to hate these products is just petty jealously.

I would love to be in a position to have a gold Rolex. Leica and a full blown MBL system. If that makes me shallow and stupid then i guess im shallow and stupid !! Im also guessing that Buddha is as equally shallow and stupid like me !!! he would probably be really upset that DUP thought he was dumb while listing to his MBL system with a gloriously expensively TT playing a $200 first pressing vinyl version of his favourite recording.

Alan

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Buddha obviously is one uninformed amongst many consumers. Buddha doesn't get it, nor does he understand stuff, so of course he would never question prices or stuff. When ya don't understand how things go together, and have some concepts of knowledge on bsics, you soon realize, there is no justification of prices on many many items. The unknowing make mighty fine audiophiles, hopefully companies making such extremely overpriced stuff, find these people, and remain in business, since otherwise they couldn't sell this stuff. Fleecing isn't just in wires ya know. When ya understand stuff, you get a pretty good idea how to find teh good stuff, priced for mortals, the old sucker routine companies do, price it high, so the gulliable have to call it good, it's expensive, it must be. Recent test results have proven things costing lots less do much more, cus' there are truly great companies making great stuff, priced in reality, while they still make a profit, not a complete fleece job on their customers. $27,000 CD only players, $50 power amps, high priced electronics that are missing a few hundred waatts, mis wired out of the factory, it's amazing, and it just keeps selling to the gullible.

DUP, as distasteful as it is to try and have a conversation with you, please read the post. I did, indeed, comment on value. Of course, that wouldn't allow for your usual "dumb ass reply number 4."

(50$ amps would be a bargain, by the way, so I don't know why you have a problem with them.)

Regardless of their cost, they sound terrific. Which seems to bother you no end.

Ok, now back to spamming the one forum you are allowed on.