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Sun, 11/21/2010

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Mon, 08/20/2018

Kalista DreamPlay One CD player Measurements

Thu, 08/16/2018

COMMENTS
Bogolu Haranath's picture

"Hello, Star Trek Enterprise here ........... How can we help you?"

"Ahoy ahoy, Alexander Graham Bell here .......... Beam me up Scotty"

Indydan's picture

I wonder how many of these will sell? In a world where people are buying more and more streamers and DACs, CD players aren't flying off the shelves.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

May be a collector item for people with deep pockets :-) ...........

ok's picture

save for the shortage of transport spare parts; which is really a shame, since well designed cd players can wipe out almost anything out there sonically speaking.

Jason P Jackson's picture

I agree. A good cd based system playing decent recordings can deliver sonic tricks I've yet to hear elsewhere, save megabuck record players. Call me sheltered, considering I've yet to hear what high-bitrate downloads can do.

jdpalmer1's picture

Really? I lasted about 30 seconds before I had to bail. Someone is in serious need of vocal lessons.

georgehifi's picture

Not very good on the bench there JA. Kinda had to bite your tongue a bit in the conclusion.

And what with not getting digital inputs for this kind of money, that stinks.

Cheers George

Axiom05's picture

Not sure why this kind of product is reviewed in Stereophile. I doubt that any potential purchaser even reads audio magazines, they are the type that relies strictly on the recommendation of the sales person. If it looks cool and is expensive, then it must be great. Anyone that cares even the slightest bit about measurements would not consider this player for even a second.

John Atkinson's picture
Axiom05 wrote:
Not sure why this kind of product is reviewed in Stereophile.

I have just written an As We See It essay for the November issue on this subject. In the meantime, see my thoughts at www.stereophile.com/content/price-event-horizon.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Ortofan's picture

... the combination of an ineffective anti-aliasing filter and a rolled-off high frequency response - to impress a Stereophile reviewer?

Would the reviewer have been half as impressed if instead the unit was packaged in a relatively plain black box and the remote control was made of plastic?

Bogolu Haranath's picture

You have revealed the secrets to success ........ Also add good looks :-) .............

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Beauty is only skin deep ......... What is under the hood is what matters :-) ............

RH's picture

Looking at that bling-bling design, one can't help wondering of this review suffered from the expensive-wine-label-on-a-cheap bottle bias effect. (As JA's measurements seem at least in part to suggest).

If ever there was a review begging for blind test methodology, this would be it.

supamark's picture

Perfect
Impulse
Response

AD came out and said it in the review, plus if you've read much of Art's stuff (and I'm sure you have) then you'd know what he values in a playback system.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

"Don't review (audio) equipment with your eyes" ............ John Atkinson :-) .........

jeffhenning's picture

If you bought one of these, your photo should be next to the phrase in the dictionary, "more money than brains".

Yes, it's pretty, but it's performance no better than any disc player you can buy for 2.5% of its price. That it only plays CD's is stupefying.

This unit is absurd in the worst way.

Allen Fant's picture

Outstanding! works as always- AD
I enjoyed how you compared this player to your road-tested Sony ES spinner. I had no idea that the Philips CDM PRO12 transport was still in production? Which other brand(s) still incorporate this veteran transport into their spinner designs?

CG's picture

It's really fascinating that Art found such small differences in the filter settings. This is consistent with some other observers trying different filter shapes in other systems. Other factors in the player and system characteristics are probably more of a factor in the overall experience. But, a difference is a difference.

Still, how does this square with the night and day differences some observers are reporting with MQA processed recordings?

ok's picture

the primary role of digital filtering is very similar to that of the analog subsonic filters of yore – namely safety concerns about the subsequent equipment; amplifier topology/bandwidth and tweeter frequency extension/power handling should be the main factors in digital filtering selection. From a purely (ultra)sonic point of view, save for possible intermodulation by-products, no low-pass filter is required whatsoever.

supamark's picture

it's because when the DAC tries to convert data with fewer than 1 sample per wavelength back to analog weird and often unpleasant sounds tend to arise.

ok's picture

..although is extremely difficult for any real music listener to be able to discern those alien sounds in any kind of signal other than pure HF sine wave.

tonykaz's picture

It's a ROLEX kind of product, isn't it?

Maybe a ROLEX Presidential extravagance expressly for people like our own Agent Orange in Washington.

I have to admit that I'd love to own and "Show-off" all that Chord Stuff that's so darn striking and industrially beautiful, who wouldn't ?

Back in the Day, I kept a Gold Mitchel Gyrodek in my Esoteric Audio Store Front Window.

If you love your Audio Gear more than your Wife, this CD Player is a dam good way to prove it.

However, now-a-days, I'm rather inclined to the LG Phone method of Audio advancement and rely on a Porsche 718 Hybrid for showing off.

I'm not showing off, I'm investing in my Grandchildren's future Quality of Life.

I vote for the PS Audio Player

Tony in Michigan

ps. it does make for one hell of a Front Cover !!!

John Atkinson's picture
tonykaz wrote:
it does make for one hell of a Front Cover !!!

Indeed it does. Again this is something I write about in the November issue's As We See It.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

tonykaz's picture

Another "Must Read" from Stereophile.

Tony in Michigan

johnnythunder's picture

As someone who worked in the magazine business for 16 years - TIme Inc. - and who intimately involved in the choice of covers, I look forward to reading your November column. In a nutshell, for a magazine cover, you strive to make 'eye candy" and make things look larger than life.

supamark's picture

which traditional print magazines saw the internet coming and took action (whether it was successfull or not is a different issue - Stereophile seems to have done okay, others less so) and which were just caught totally off guard.

ok's picture

The bulk –if ever was one– of unnecessarily expensive US/EU-made audio gear is actually being sold to Asian markets; opposite is the trade route case for plebeian electronics..

Christian Goergen's picture

Noone can say, you didn't: "I asked—no, begged—for the opportunity to write about the DreamPlay One. "
I'm shure you enjoyed listening as writing the advertisement.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophile could come up with an yearly calendar (just like Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue) with exotic, good looking audio equipment :-) ...........

Anton's picture

That is so great, you deserve royalties.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

I will be happy with free life time subscription to Stereophile including the yearly calendar :-) .......

Duck851's picture

"the maximum balanced output level was twice the unbalanced, at 4.92V"
The peak in Fig 1 is over 1V higher than this - might it make music more dynamic than the digital representation or is it that it can't sustain it's true max during the max output test?

John Atkinson's picture
Duck851 wrote:
"the maximum balanced output level was twice the unbalanced, at 4.92V" The peak in Fig 1 is over 1V higher than this...

The maximum output level is an RMS figure, which is lower than the peak; 3dB lower for a sinewave. The Kalista's peak output voltage is therefore just under 7V, so there's no conflict between the two voltages.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophle could probably re-publish some of the articles published in the 90s and early 2000s ....... like the article comparing AAC, Mp3 and CD quality sound as well as 'Quality lies in the details' on the Stereophile website .........

John Atkinson's picture
Bogolu Haranath wrote:
Stereophile could probably re-publish some of the articles published in the 90s and early 2000s ....... like the article comparing AAC, Mp3 and CD quality sound as well as 'Quality lies in the details' on the Stereophile website ........

The Features and Reference sections of our website archives - see links at the foot of every page - have almost all the technical articles we have published over the years. You can sort them by title, date of being posted, or date of original publication. You can also use our search engine in the menu bar at the top of every page.

For example, if you enter the phrase (in double quotes) "Quality Lies in the Details" in the search magazine, all the pages of the article can be found at www.stereophile.com/features/112/index.html.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophile published an article in 1995 about similar topics like output voltages etc ......... The article was written by Robert Harley with contributions by JA .......... I found that article on Google search ........

jimtavegia's picture

That costs more than any of my first 3 houses. And it is not the best C D player ever made?? Wow! I am so glad JA tests things.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Thank you JA for testing and measuring the audio equipment ............

RH's picture

I am hugely grateful to Mr. Atkinson for all the measurements he has supplied for all these years. It seems to me one of the most valuable individual contributions to the high end audio hobby.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

There is an audio hall of fame for audio equipment .......... I am not sure if there is an audio hall of fame for people ...... If there is such an audio hall of fame for individuals, JA is eminently qualified as an inductee .......

Robin Landseadel's picture

I know I'm not in the market for $45,000.00 of digital replay. That said, I'm always interested in assaults on the state of the art. In one regard this Blingy collection of audio objects appears to be SOTA. The impulse test, without ringing fore or aft, appears perfect. Art Dudley liked the player best with the slow roll-off filter, the mode that produces that perfect impulse test. I think there's something to that.

However, the product is prima-facie absurd.

This is my wish list for a disc spinner in the 21st century. First, it has to play everything. As physical products are preterite, they will have to be treated as "special cases" from here on out. Second, I would want all the disc data moved to a solid state memory. I would use the data from the SSD instead of the disc drive. I would design the disc player/storage locker to be accessible to DAPs so one could smoothly and easily move sound files to the DAP. I would separate the disc drive/"storage locker" from the DAC. I would include HDMI as an output option for obvious reasons. The DACs I'd come up with would come in "Plain"—just 2 channels output, no bells & whistles—& "Peanut", with streaming options built in. There would also be a "Surround" flavour. All the DACs would have USB and HDMI inputs in addition to the usual suspects.

I could imagine a $45,000.00 version of some combination of these boxes making sense. But a $45,000.00 CD player that only plays CDs? Pricey bling.

teched58's picture

Over the top audio bling with a nouveau riche design sensibility. The audio equivalent of a McMansion.

davip's picture

Test it playing CDs against the corresponding vinyl release (using originally analogue recordings of course) on any decent ~ $3k turntable. Then, tell your readers on the basis of sound-quality whether they wouldn't be better off buying that turntable and $40,000 of Mint vinyl. I gave my entire CD collection to goodwill for this very reason and am currently rebuilding my vinyl collection. This comparison should be made every time such super-expensive digital audio is gushed over in a magazine ostensibly dedicated to audiophilia...

ok's picture

unabashedly contemplative comments based on purely impersonal interest for someone else’s hard earned blood money ;-)

Pages

Kalista DreamPlay One CD player Associated Equipment

Thu, 08/16/2018

COMMENTS
Bogolu Haranath's picture

"Hello, Star Trek Enterprise here ........... How can we help you?"

"Ahoy ahoy, Alexander Graham Bell here .......... Beam me up Scotty"

Indydan's picture

I wonder how many of these will sell? In a world where people are buying more and more streamers and DACs, CD players aren't flying off the shelves.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

May be a collector item for people with deep pockets :-) ...........

ok's picture

save for the shortage of transport spare parts; which is really a shame, since well designed cd players can wipe out almost anything out there sonically speaking.

Jason P Jackson's picture

I agree. A good cd based system playing decent recordings can deliver sonic tricks I've yet to hear elsewhere, save megabuck record players. Call me sheltered, considering I've yet to hear what high-bitrate downloads can do.

jdpalmer1's picture

Really? I lasted about 30 seconds before I had to bail. Someone is in serious need of vocal lessons.

georgehifi's picture

Not very good on the bench there JA. Kinda had to bite your tongue a bit in the conclusion.

And what with not getting digital inputs for this kind of money, that stinks.

Cheers George

Axiom05's picture

Not sure why this kind of product is reviewed in Stereophile. I doubt that any potential purchaser even reads audio magazines, they are the type that relies strictly on the recommendation of the sales person. If it looks cool and is expensive, then it must be great. Anyone that cares even the slightest bit about measurements would not consider this player for even a second.

John Atkinson's picture
Axiom05 wrote:
Not sure why this kind of product is reviewed in Stereophile.

I have just written an As We See It essay for the November issue on this subject. In the meantime, see my thoughts at www.stereophile.com/content/price-event-horizon.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Ortofan's picture

... the combination of an ineffective anti-aliasing filter and a rolled-off high frequency response - to impress a Stereophile reviewer?

Would the reviewer have been half as impressed if instead the unit was packaged in a relatively plain black box and the remote control was made of plastic?

Bogolu Haranath's picture

You have revealed the secrets to success ........ Also add good looks :-) .............

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Beauty is only skin deep ......... What is under the hood is what matters :-) ............

RH's picture

Looking at that bling-bling design, one can't help wondering of this review suffered from the expensive-wine-label-on-a-cheap bottle bias effect. (As JA's measurements seem at least in part to suggest).

If ever there was a review begging for blind test methodology, this would be it.

supamark's picture

Perfect
Impulse
Response

AD came out and said it in the review, plus if you've read much of Art's stuff (and I'm sure you have) then you'd know what he values in a playback system.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

"Don't review (audio) equipment with your eyes" ............ John Atkinson :-) .........

jeffhenning's picture

If you bought one of these, your photo should be next to the phrase in the dictionary, "more money than brains".

Yes, it's pretty, but it's performance no better than any disc player you can buy for 2.5% of its price. That it only plays CD's is stupefying.

This unit is absurd in the worst way.

Allen Fant's picture

Outstanding! works as always- AD
I enjoyed how you compared this player to your road-tested Sony ES spinner. I had no idea that the Philips CDM PRO12 transport was still in production? Which other brand(s) still incorporate this veteran transport into their spinner designs?

CG's picture

It's really fascinating that Art found such small differences in the filter settings. This is consistent with some other observers trying different filter shapes in other systems. Other factors in the player and system characteristics are probably more of a factor in the overall experience. But, a difference is a difference.

Still, how does this square with the night and day differences some observers are reporting with MQA processed recordings?

ok's picture

the primary role of digital filtering is very similar to that of the analog subsonic filters of yore – namely safety concerns about the subsequent equipment; amplifier topology/bandwidth and tweeter frequency extension/power handling should be the main factors in digital filtering selection. From a purely (ultra)sonic point of view, save for possible intermodulation by-products, no low-pass filter is required whatsoever.

supamark's picture

it's because when the DAC tries to convert data with fewer than 1 sample per wavelength back to analog weird and often unpleasant sounds tend to arise.

ok's picture

..although is extremely difficult for any real music listener to be able to discern those alien sounds in any kind of signal other than pure HF sine wave.

tonykaz's picture

It's a ROLEX kind of product, isn't it?

Maybe a ROLEX Presidential extravagance expressly for people like our own Agent Orange in Washington.

I have to admit that I'd love to own and "Show-off" all that Chord Stuff that's so darn striking and industrially beautiful, who wouldn't ?

Back in the Day, I kept a Gold Mitchel Gyrodek in my Esoteric Audio Store Front Window.

If you love your Audio Gear more than your Wife, this CD Player is a dam good way to prove it.

However, now-a-days, I'm rather inclined to the LG Phone method of Audio advancement and rely on a Porsche 718 Hybrid for showing off.

I'm not showing off, I'm investing in my Grandchildren's future Quality of Life.

I vote for the PS Audio Player

Tony in Michigan

ps. it does make for one hell of a Front Cover !!!

John Atkinson's picture
tonykaz wrote:
it does make for one hell of a Front Cover !!!

Indeed it does. Again this is something I write about in the November issue's As We See It.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

tonykaz's picture

Another "Must Read" from Stereophile.

Tony in Michigan

johnnythunder's picture

As someone who worked in the magazine business for 16 years - TIme Inc. - and who intimately involved in the choice of covers, I look forward to reading your November column. In a nutshell, for a magazine cover, you strive to make 'eye candy" and make things look larger than life.

supamark's picture

which traditional print magazines saw the internet coming and took action (whether it was successfull or not is a different issue - Stereophile seems to have done okay, others less so) and which were just caught totally off guard.

ok's picture

The bulk –if ever was one– of unnecessarily expensive US/EU-made audio gear is actually being sold to Asian markets; opposite is the trade route case for plebeian electronics..

Christian Goergen's picture

Noone can say, you didn't: "I asked—no, begged—for the opportunity to write about the DreamPlay One. "
I'm shure you enjoyed listening as writing the advertisement.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophile could come up with an yearly calendar (just like Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue) with exotic, good looking audio equipment :-) ...........

Anton's picture

That is so great, you deserve royalties.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

I will be happy with free life time subscription to Stereophile including the yearly calendar :-) .......

Duck851's picture

"the maximum balanced output level was twice the unbalanced, at 4.92V"
The peak in Fig 1 is over 1V higher than this - might it make music more dynamic than the digital representation or is it that it can't sustain it's true max during the max output test?

John Atkinson's picture
Duck851 wrote:
"the maximum balanced output level was twice the unbalanced, at 4.92V" The peak in Fig 1 is over 1V higher than this...

The maximum output level is an RMS figure, which is lower than the peak; 3dB lower for a sinewave. The Kalista's peak output voltage is therefore just under 7V, so there's no conflict between the two voltages.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophle could probably re-publish some of the articles published in the 90s and early 2000s ....... like the article comparing AAC, Mp3 and CD quality sound as well as 'Quality lies in the details' on the Stereophile website .........

John Atkinson's picture
Bogolu Haranath wrote:
Stereophile could probably re-publish some of the articles published in the 90s and early 2000s ....... like the article comparing AAC, Mp3 and CD quality sound as well as 'Quality lies in the details' on the Stereophile website ........

The Features and Reference sections of our website archives - see links at the foot of every page - have almost all the technical articles we have published over the years. You can sort them by title, date of being posted, or date of original publication. You can also use our search engine in the menu bar at the top of every page.

For example, if you enter the phrase (in double quotes) "Quality Lies in the Details" in the search magazine, all the pages of the article can be found at www.stereophile.com/features/112/index.html.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophile published an article in 1995 about similar topics like output voltages etc ......... The article was written by Robert Harley with contributions by JA .......... I found that article on Google search ........

jimtavegia's picture

That costs more than any of my first 3 houses. And it is not the best C D player ever made?? Wow! I am so glad JA tests things.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Thank you JA for testing and measuring the audio equipment ............

RH's picture

I am hugely grateful to Mr. Atkinson for all the measurements he has supplied for all these years. It seems to me one of the most valuable individual contributions to the high end audio hobby.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

There is an audio hall of fame for audio equipment .......... I am not sure if there is an audio hall of fame for people ...... If there is such an audio hall of fame for individuals, JA is eminently qualified as an inductee .......

Robin Landseadel's picture

I know I'm not in the market for $45,000.00 of digital replay. That said, I'm always interested in assaults on the state of the art. In one regard this Blingy collection of audio objects appears to be SOTA. The impulse test, without ringing fore or aft, appears perfect. Art Dudley liked the player best with the slow roll-off filter, the mode that produces that perfect impulse test. I think there's something to that.

However, the product is prima-facie absurd.

This is my wish list for a disc spinner in the 21st century. First, it has to play everything. As physical products are preterite, they will have to be treated as "special cases" from here on out. Second, I would want all the disc data moved to a solid state memory. I would use the data from the SSD instead of the disc drive. I would design the disc player/storage locker to be accessible to DAPs so one could smoothly and easily move sound files to the DAP. I would separate the disc drive/"storage locker" from the DAC. I would include HDMI as an output option for obvious reasons. The DACs I'd come up with would come in "Plain"—just 2 channels output, no bells & whistles—& "Peanut", with streaming options built in. There would also be a "Surround" flavour. All the DACs would have USB and HDMI inputs in addition to the usual suspects.

I could imagine a $45,000.00 version of some combination of these boxes making sense. But a $45,000.00 CD player that only plays CDs? Pricey bling.

teched58's picture

Over the top audio bling with a nouveau riche design sensibility. The audio equivalent of a McMansion.

davip's picture

Test it playing CDs against the corresponding vinyl release (using originally analogue recordings of course) on any decent ~ $3k turntable. Then, tell your readers on the basis of sound-quality whether they wouldn't be better off buying that turntable and $40,000 of Mint vinyl. I gave my entire CD collection to goodwill for this very reason and am currently rebuilding my vinyl collection. This comparison should be made every time such super-expensive digital audio is gushed over in a magazine ostensibly dedicated to audiophilia...

ok's picture

unabashedly contemplative comments based on purely impersonal interest for someone else’s hard earned blood money ;-)

Pages

Kalista DreamPlay One CD player Specifications

Thu, 08/16/2018

COMMENTS
Bogolu Haranath's picture

"Hello, Star Trek Enterprise here ........... How can we help you?"

"Ahoy ahoy, Alexander Graham Bell here .......... Beam me up Scotty"

Indydan's picture

I wonder how many of these will sell? In a world where people are buying more and more streamers and DACs, CD players aren't flying off the shelves.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

May be a collector item for people with deep pockets :-) ...........

ok's picture

save for the shortage of transport spare parts; which is really a shame, since well designed cd players can wipe out almost anything out there sonically speaking.

Jason P Jackson's picture

I agree. A good cd based system playing decent recordings can deliver sonic tricks I've yet to hear elsewhere, save megabuck record players. Call me sheltered, considering I've yet to hear what high-bitrate downloads can do.

jdpalmer1's picture

Really? I lasted about 30 seconds before I had to bail. Someone is in serious need of vocal lessons.

georgehifi's picture

Not very good on the bench there JA. Kinda had to bite your tongue a bit in the conclusion.

And what with not getting digital inputs for this kind of money, that stinks.

Cheers George

Axiom05's picture

Not sure why this kind of product is reviewed in Stereophile. I doubt that any potential purchaser even reads audio magazines, they are the type that relies strictly on the recommendation of the sales person. If it looks cool and is expensive, then it must be great. Anyone that cares even the slightest bit about measurements would not consider this player for even a second.

John Atkinson's picture
Axiom05 wrote:
Not sure why this kind of product is reviewed in Stereophile.

I have just written an As We See It essay for the November issue on this subject. In the meantime, see my thoughts at www.stereophile.com/content/price-event-horizon.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Ortofan's picture

... the combination of an ineffective anti-aliasing filter and a rolled-off high frequency response - to impress a Stereophile reviewer?

Would the reviewer have been half as impressed if instead the unit was packaged in a relatively plain black box and the remote control was made of plastic?

Bogolu Haranath's picture

You have revealed the secrets to success ........ Also add good looks :-) .............

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Beauty is only skin deep ......... What is under the hood is what matters :-) ............

RH's picture

Looking at that bling-bling design, one can't help wondering of this review suffered from the expensive-wine-label-on-a-cheap bottle bias effect. (As JA's measurements seem at least in part to suggest).

If ever there was a review begging for blind test methodology, this would be it.

supamark's picture

Perfect
Impulse
Response

AD came out and said it in the review, plus if you've read much of Art's stuff (and I'm sure you have) then you'd know what he values in a playback system.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

"Don't review (audio) equipment with your eyes" ............ John Atkinson :-) .........

jeffhenning's picture

If you bought one of these, your photo should be next to the phrase in the dictionary, "more money than brains".

Yes, it's pretty, but it's performance no better than any disc player you can buy for 2.5% of its price. That it only plays CD's is stupefying.

This unit is absurd in the worst way.

Allen Fant's picture

Outstanding! works as always- AD
I enjoyed how you compared this player to your road-tested Sony ES spinner. I had no idea that the Philips CDM PRO12 transport was still in production? Which other brand(s) still incorporate this veteran transport into their spinner designs?

CG's picture

It's really fascinating that Art found such small differences in the filter settings. This is consistent with some other observers trying different filter shapes in other systems. Other factors in the player and system characteristics are probably more of a factor in the overall experience. But, a difference is a difference.

Still, how does this square with the night and day differences some observers are reporting with MQA processed recordings?

ok's picture

the primary role of digital filtering is very similar to that of the analog subsonic filters of yore – namely safety concerns about the subsequent equipment; amplifier topology/bandwidth and tweeter frequency extension/power handling should be the main factors in digital filtering selection. From a purely (ultra)sonic point of view, save for possible intermodulation by-products, no low-pass filter is required whatsoever.

supamark's picture

it's because when the DAC tries to convert data with fewer than 1 sample per wavelength back to analog weird and often unpleasant sounds tend to arise.

ok's picture

..although is extremely difficult for any real music listener to be able to discern those alien sounds in any kind of signal other than pure HF sine wave.

tonykaz's picture

It's a ROLEX kind of product, isn't it?

Maybe a ROLEX Presidential extravagance expressly for people like our own Agent Orange in Washington.

I have to admit that I'd love to own and "Show-off" all that Chord Stuff that's so darn striking and industrially beautiful, who wouldn't ?

Back in the Day, I kept a Gold Mitchel Gyrodek in my Esoteric Audio Store Front Window.

If you love your Audio Gear more than your Wife, this CD Player is a dam good way to prove it.

However, now-a-days, I'm rather inclined to the LG Phone method of Audio advancement and rely on a Porsche 718 Hybrid for showing off.

I'm not showing off, I'm investing in my Grandchildren's future Quality of Life.

I vote for the PS Audio Player

Tony in Michigan

ps. it does make for one hell of a Front Cover !!!

John Atkinson's picture
tonykaz wrote:
it does make for one hell of a Front Cover !!!

Indeed it does. Again this is something I write about in the November issue's As We See It.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

tonykaz's picture

Another "Must Read" from Stereophile.

Tony in Michigan

johnnythunder's picture

As someone who worked in the magazine business for 16 years - TIme Inc. - and who intimately involved in the choice of covers, I look forward to reading your November column. In a nutshell, for a magazine cover, you strive to make 'eye candy" and make things look larger than life.

supamark's picture

which traditional print magazines saw the internet coming and took action (whether it was successfull or not is a different issue - Stereophile seems to have done okay, others less so) and which were just caught totally off guard.

ok's picture

The bulk –if ever was one– of unnecessarily expensive US/EU-made audio gear is actually being sold to Asian markets; opposite is the trade route case for plebeian electronics..

Christian Goergen's picture

Noone can say, you didn't: "I asked—no, begged—for the opportunity to write about the DreamPlay One. "
I'm shure you enjoyed listening as writing the advertisement.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophile could come up with an yearly calendar (just like Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue) with exotic, good looking audio equipment :-) ...........

Anton's picture

That is so great, you deserve royalties.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

I will be happy with free life time subscription to Stereophile including the yearly calendar :-) .......

Duck851's picture

"the maximum balanced output level was twice the unbalanced, at 4.92V"
The peak in Fig 1 is over 1V higher than this - might it make music more dynamic than the digital representation or is it that it can't sustain it's true max during the max output test?

John Atkinson's picture
Duck851 wrote:
"the maximum balanced output level was twice the unbalanced, at 4.92V" The peak in Fig 1 is over 1V higher than this...

The maximum output level is an RMS figure, which is lower than the peak; 3dB lower for a sinewave. The Kalista's peak output voltage is therefore just under 7V, so there's no conflict between the two voltages.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophle could probably re-publish some of the articles published in the 90s and early 2000s ....... like the article comparing AAC, Mp3 and CD quality sound as well as 'Quality lies in the details' on the Stereophile website .........

John Atkinson's picture
Bogolu Haranath wrote:
Stereophile could probably re-publish some of the articles published in the 90s and early 2000s ....... like the article comparing AAC, Mp3 and CD quality sound as well as 'Quality lies in the details' on the Stereophile website ........

The Features and Reference sections of our website archives - see links at the foot of every page - have almost all the technical articles we have published over the years. You can sort them by title, date of being posted, or date of original publication. You can also use our search engine in the menu bar at the top of every page.

For example, if you enter the phrase (in double quotes) "Quality Lies in the Details" in the search magazine, all the pages of the article can be found at www.stereophile.com/features/112/index.html.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophile published an article in 1995 about similar topics like output voltages etc ......... The article was written by Robert Harley with contributions by JA .......... I found that article on Google search ........

jimtavegia's picture

That costs more than any of my first 3 houses. And it is not the best C D player ever made?? Wow! I am so glad JA tests things.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Thank you JA for testing and measuring the audio equipment ............

RH's picture

I am hugely grateful to Mr. Atkinson for all the measurements he has supplied for all these years. It seems to me one of the most valuable individual contributions to the high end audio hobby.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

There is an audio hall of fame for audio equipment .......... I am not sure if there is an audio hall of fame for people ...... If there is such an audio hall of fame for individuals, JA is eminently qualified as an inductee .......

Robin Landseadel's picture

I know I'm not in the market for $45,000.00 of digital replay. That said, I'm always interested in assaults on the state of the art. In one regard this Blingy collection of audio objects appears to be SOTA. The impulse test, without ringing fore or aft, appears perfect. Art Dudley liked the player best with the slow roll-off filter, the mode that produces that perfect impulse test. I think there's something to that.

However, the product is prima-facie absurd.

This is my wish list for a disc spinner in the 21st century. First, it has to play everything. As physical products are preterite, they will have to be treated as "special cases" from here on out. Second, I would want all the disc data moved to a solid state memory. I would use the data from the SSD instead of the disc drive. I would design the disc player/storage locker to be accessible to DAPs so one could smoothly and easily move sound files to the DAP. I would separate the disc drive/"storage locker" from the DAC. I would include HDMI as an output option for obvious reasons. The DACs I'd come up with would come in "Plain"—just 2 channels output, no bells & whistles—& "Peanut", with streaming options built in. There would also be a "Surround" flavour. All the DACs would have USB and HDMI inputs in addition to the usual suspects.

I could imagine a $45,000.00 version of some combination of these boxes making sense. But a $45,000.00 CD player that only plays CDs? Pricey bling.

teched58's picture

Over the top audio bling with a nouveau riche design sensibility. The audio equivalent of a McMansion.

davip's picture

Test it playing CDs against the corresponding vinyl release (using originally analogue recordings of course) on any decent ~ $3k turntable. Then, tell your readers on the basis of sound-quality whether they wouldn't be better off buying that turntable and $40,000 of Mint vinyl. I gave my entire CD collection to goodwill for this very reason and am currently rebuilding my vinyl collection. This comparison should be made every time such super-expensive digital audio is gushed over in a magazine ostensibly dedicated to audiophilia...

ok's picture

unabashedly contemplative comments based on purely impersonal interest for someone else’s hard earned blood money ;-)

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Bogolu Haranath's picture

"Hello, Star Trek Enterprise here ........... How can we help you?"

"Ahoy ahoy, Alexander Graham Bell here .......... Beam me up Scotty"

Indydan's picture

I wonder how many of these will sell? In a world where people are buying more and more streamers and DACs, CD players aren't flying off the shelves.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

May be a collector item for people with deep pockets :-) ...........

ok's picture

save for the shortage of transport spare parts; which is really a shame, since well designed cd players can wipe out almost anything out there sonically speaking.

Jason P Jackson's picture

I agree. A good cd based system playing decent recordings can deliver sonic tricks I've yet to hear elsewhere, save megabuck record players. Call me sheltered, considering I've yet to hear what high-bitrate downloads can do.

jdpalmer1's picture

Really? I lasted about 30 seconds before I had to bail. Someone is in serious need of vocal lessons.

georgehifi's picture

Not very good on the bench there JA. Kinda had to bite your tongue a bit in the conclusion.

And what with not getting digital inputs for this kind of money, that stinks.

Cheers George

Axiom05's picture

Not sure why this kind of product is reviewed in Stereophile. I doubt that any potential purchaser even reads audio magazines, they are the type that relies strictly on the recommendation of the sales person. If it looks cool and is expensive, then it must be great. Anyone that cares even the slightest bit about measurements would not consider this player for even a second.

John Atkinson's picture
Axiom05 wrote:
Not sure why this kind of product is reviewed in Stereophile.

I have just written an As We See It essay for the November issue on this subject. In the meantime, see my thoughts at www.stereophile.com/content/price-event-horizon.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Ortofan's picture

... the combination of an ineffective anti-aliasing filter and a rolled-off high frequency response - to impress a Stereophile reviewer?

Would the reviewer have been half as impressed if instead the unit was packaged in a relatively plain black box and the remote control was made of plastic?

Bogolu Haranath's picture

You have revealed the secrets to success ........ Also add good looks :-) .............

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Beauty is only skin deep ......... What is under the hood is what matters :-) ............

RH's picture

Looking at that bling-bling design, one can't help wondering of this review suffered from the expensive-wine-label-on-a-cheap bottle bias effect. (As JA's measurements seem at least in part to suggest).

If ever there was a review begging for blind test methodology, this would be it.

supamark's picture

Perfect
Impulse
Response

AD came out and said it in the review, plus if you've read much of Art's stuff (and I'm sure you have) then you'd know what he values in a playback system.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

"Don't review (audio) equipment with your eyes" ............ John Atkinson :-) .........

jeffhenning's picture

If you bought one of these, your photo should be next to the phrase in the dictionary, "more money than brains".

Yes, it's pretty, but it's performance no better than any disc player you can buy for 2.5% of its price. That it only plays CD's is stupefying.

This unit is absurd in the worst way.

Allen Fant's picture

Outstanding! works as always- AD
I enjoyed how you compared this player to your road-tested Sony ES spinner. I had no idea that the Philips CDM PRO12 transport was still in production? Which other brand(s) still incorporate this veteran transport into their spinner designs?

CG's picture

It's really fascinating that Art found such small differences in the filter settings. This is consistent with some other observers trying different filter shapes in other systems. Other factors in the player and system characteristics are probably more of a factor in the overall experience. But, a difference is a difference.

Still, how does this square with the night and day differences some observers are reporting with MQA processed recordings?

ok's picture

the primary role of digital filtering is very similar to that of the analog subsonic filters of yore – namely safety concerns about the subsequent equipment; amplifier topology/bandwidth and tweeter frequency extension/power handling should be the main factors in digital filtering selection. From a purely (ultra)sonic point of view, save for possible intermodulation by-products, no low-pass filter is required whatsoever.

supamark's picture

it's because when the DAC tries to convert data with fewer than 1 sample per wavelength back to analog weird and often unpleasant sounds tend to arise.

ok's picture

..although is extremely difficult for any real music listener to be able to discern those alien sounds in any kind of signal other than pure HF sine wave.

tonykaz's picture

It's a ROLEX kind of product, isn't it?

Maybe a ROLEX Presidential extravagance expressly for people like our own Agent Orange in Washington.

I have to admit that I'd love to own and "Show-off" all that Chord Stuff that's so darn striking and industrially beautiful, who wouldn't ?

Back in the Day, I kept a Gold Mitchel Gyrodek in my Esoteric Audio Store Front Window.

If you love your Audio Gear more than your Wife, this CD Player is a dam good way to prove it.

However, now-a-days, I'm rather inclined to the LG Phone method of Audio advancement and rely on a Porsche 718 Hybrid for showing off.

I'm not showing off, I'm investing in my Grandchildren's future Quality of Life.

I vote for the PS Audio Player

Tony in Michigan

ps. it does make for one hell of a Front Cover !!!

John Atkinson's picture
tonykaz wrote:
it does make for one hell of a Front Cover !!!

Indeed it does. Again this is something I write about in the November issue's As We See It.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

tonykaz's picture

Another "Must Read" from Stereophile.

Tony in Michigan

johnnythunder's picture

As someone who worked in the magazine business for 16 years - TIme Inc. - and who intimately involved in the choice of covers, I look forward to reading your November column. In a nutshell, for a magazine cover, you strive to make 'eye candy" and make things look larger than life.

supamark's picture

which traditional print magazines saw the internet coming and took action (whether it was successfull or not is a different issue - Stereophile seems to have done okay, others less so) and which were just caught totally off guard.

ok's picture

The bulk –if ever was one– of unnecessarily expensive US/EU-made audio gear is actually being sold to Asian markets; opposite is the trade route case for plebeian electronics..

Christian Goergen's picture

Noone can say, you didn't: "I asked—no, begged—for the opportunity to write about the DreamPlay One. "
I'm shure you enjoyed listening as writing the advertisement.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophile could come up with an yearly calendar (just like Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue) with exotic, good looking audio equipment :-) ...........

Anton's picture

That is so great, you deserve royalties.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

I will be happy with free life time subscription to Stereophile including the yearly calendar :-) .......

Duck851's picture

"the maximum balanced output level was twice the unbalanced, at 4.92V"
The peak in Fig 1 is over 1V higher than this - might it make music more dynamic than the digital representation or is it that it can't sustain it's true max during the max output test?

John Atkinson's picture
Duck851 wrote:
"the maximum balanced output level was twice the unbalanced, at 4.92V" The peak in Fig 1 is over 1V higher than this...

The maximum output level is an RMS figure, which is lower than the peak; 3dB lower for a sinewave. The Kalista's peak output voltage is therefore just under 7V, so there's no conflict between the two voltages.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophle could probably re-publish some of the articles published in the 90s and early 2000s ....... like the article comparing AAC, Mp3 and CD quality sound as well as 'Quality lies in the details' on the Stereophile website .........

John Atkinson's picture
Bogolu Haranath wrote:
Stereophile could probably re-publish some of the articles published in the 90s and early 2000s ....... like the article comparing AAC, Mp3 and CD quality sound as well as 'Quality lies in the details' on the Stereophile website ........

The Features and Reference sections of our website archives - see links at the foot of every page - have almost all the technical articles we have published over the years. You can sort them by title, date of being posted, or date of original publication. You can also use our search engine in the menu bar at the top of every page.

For example, if you enter the phrase (in double quotes) "Quality Lies in the Details" in the search magazine, all the pages of the article can be found at www.stereophile.com/features/112/index.html.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Stereophile published an article in 1995 about similar topics like output voltages etc ......... The article was written by Robert Harley with contributions by JA .......... I found that article on Google search ........

jimtavegia's picture

That costs more than any of my first 3 houses. And it is not the best C D player ever made?? Wow! I am so glad JA tests things.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Thank you JA for testing and measuring the audio equipment ............

RH's picture

I am hugely grateful to Mr. Atkinson for all the measurements he has supplied for all these years. It seems to me one of the most valuable individual contributions to the high end audio hobby.

Bogolu Haranath's picture

There is an audio hall of fame for audio equipment .......... I am not sure if there is an audio hall of fame for people ...... If there is such an audio hall of fame for individuals, JA is eminently qualified as an inductee .......

Robin Landseadel's picture

I know I'm not in the market for $45,000.00 of digital replay. That said, I'm always interested in assaults on the state of the art. In one regard this Blingy collection of audio objects appears to be SOTA. The impulse test, without ringing fore or aft, appears perfect. Art Dudley liked the player best with the slow roll-off filter, the mode that produces that perfect impulse test. I think there's something to that.

However, the product is prima-facie absurd.

This is my wish list for a disc spinner in the 21st century. First, it has to play everything. As physical products are preterite, they will have to be treated as "special cases" from here on out. Second, I would want all the disc data moved to a solid state memory. I would use the data from the SSD instead of the disc drive. I would design the disc player/storage locker to be accessible to DAPs so one could smoothly and easily move sound files to the DAP. I would separate the disc drive/"storage locker" from the DAC. I would include HDMI as an output option for obvious reasons. The DACs I'd come up with would come in "Plain"—just 2 channels output, no bells & whistles—& "Peanut", with streaming options built in. There would also be a "Surround" flavour. All the DACs would have USB and HDMI inputs in addition to the usual suspects.

I could imagine a $45,000.00 version of some combination of these boxes making sense. But a $45,000.00 CD player that only plays CDs? Pricey bling.

teched58's picture

Over the top audio bling with a nouveau riche design sensibility. The audio equivalent of a McMansion.

davip's picture

Test it playing CDs against the corresponding vinyl release (using originally analogue recordings of course) on any decent ~ $3k turntable. Then, tell your readers on the basis of sound-quality whether they wouldn't be better off buying that turntable and $40,000 of Mint vinyl. I gave my entire CD collection to goodwill for this very reason and am currently rebuilding my vinyl collection. This comparison should be made every time such super-expensive digital audio is gushed over in a magazine ostensibly dedicated to audiophilia...

ok's picture

unabashedly contemplative comments based on purely impersonal interest for someone else’s hard earned blood money ;-)

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Kalista DreamPlay One CD player

Some of my reviewer colleagues would have you believe that negative reviews are the most difficult of all to write, and that positive reviews fairly write themselves. What nonsense!

As I write this, my copy deadline is three days away, yet I've succeeded at crafting little more than my heading (easy enough: it's just the product's name, followed by my name) and my Associated Equipment sidebar (also easy), leaving a great expanse of nothing in between. That's mostly because the Kalista DreamPlay One, a two-box CD player whose $43,000 price might once have kept me from even considering it as a real-world product, has stunned me into a sort of paralysis: I feel that anything I write will be inadequate to the task.

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