The website shows this thing is like 5.5K !!!? For a computer speaker? Come on. For a few hundred more a FOCUS from Legacy Audio is a speaker to make some sound. Legacy Focus is more efficient, down to 16Hz etc etc and fills a HOUSE with REAL sound, there is no way this thing can make music, how did you arrive at the absurd price of $6K? Start over, maybe it is $600?

Based on information provided in your writings, I base my conclusions that it is not a $5K+ speaker. Single driver? Poor freq specs, nothing of what speakers in this price category do. Price of something have no relation to mfg costs, marketing decides what price the market will take. This price strikes me as a doomed product. Good luck. BLOSE does over priced marketing better than anyone. I am an afficianado of fine audio, priced in reality for performance received. Think of me a a reviewer, who don't just claim superlatives, to sell stuff. Can you justify the high price for such a diminutive speaker one driver box? What kind of warranty? I am very qualifed to have an opinion. How was the price of the PET ROCK determined?

Items based on price to mfg? Why are CD's still listed at like $18 or so each? then BMG is selling hundreds and hundreds at $4.99 and $1.99 CD's that have been in stock for a long time, how mcuh does it cost to make a CD now that they have been produced for over 20 years, yet is sold for high prices and normal prices, for the SAME disc. Maybe an educated consumer finds the right priced stuff, not at some absurd random number.

LMFAO @ "You're just an asshole with big speakers."

Although I could still see elements of the DUP I knew (we all know) from the forum, meeting Carl in person made a difference; he was a kind host, and a real human being that I liked far more than his online incarnation. It's because of this meeting that I'm more tolerant than I might be -- I want to like him because I've met him, but, he makes it very difficult, sometimes. There have been a few times I've considered putting him on Ignore. He takes a lot of ribbing here in the forums (much deserved.) I can't tell if he takes it because he's a good sport or he's unaware. The description in the link seems accurate, sad to say, so I lean towards the latter.

I'm talking bout' speakers, you are doing a physcological report, what are you talkin' bout'? anyway? A speaker system with one driver in it for $5,500? That strikes me as grossly over priced, specs are not that good either for that price, hardly a product I'd listen to, ther is a reasonable expectation of a certain level of performance at price levels...without listening, just knowing it has one driver, it cannot possibly do anything. That is based on experience, and logic. BLOSE trys to market small drivers under teh guise of being high performance, even they can't change physics, to move air, it takes lotsa watts into lotsa drivers...fact o life in audio world.

CD's are $18 cus' they can be, they are also $4.99 when purchased at the right time. Look back at some archives about CD pricing, how teh music companies promised to lower prices after teh initial bugs and issues where solved when CD's where intorduced in 1982, they never lowered teh prices, it's call greed. Now that Cd sales are slowing down, bargains and prices are where they have come down to wher they should have been 10 years ago. Tower Records is out of business, cus' they thought they could keep selling $20 CD's...BMG consolidated with ColumbiaHouse cus' of price errosion on CD and slower Cd sales. I sometimes have to pay more than I want to to get some discs not available at teh bargain places. www.cdconnection.com has great selections, in stock etc...with higher prices. I got a SRV sACD hybrid for $4.99 at BMG, I also paid $18 fro it at a different place, price is artifical, depends who sells it. i am a dummy, but I know selling price has nothing to do with mfg costs. Do you think teh artists are making money on their $18 Cd's..DCC had a disc out from one of my aquanitances, the musican disn't get squat from the sales of the discs, they got stiffed. They didn't see money from selling discs at high prices. comparison of you $5,500 speaker to a Legacy Focus, ain't no comparison, besides going down to 16Hz, and out past 20K with sparkling clarity, not Cerwin Vega sound, you big dope, FOCUS are real sonic marvels....with fit and finish of fine furniture, and they sold with a 10 year warranty, what is your warranty. Legacy has lowered teh warranty now to 5 years. Try a pair of FOCUS, you will realize your $5500 speakers ain't in teh same leauge. I beleive this magazine reviewed a pair, read all about it, nothing but praise, a BARGAIN in high end

What are you talking bout'...comenting on SPEAKERS, and you turn it into a personal attack, hatred, etc what are you talkin' bout? Discuss products, don't do analysis of the poster. You appear to be too tightly wound, lighten up dude. Your speakers appear to not be a value in it's price category, one driver cannot physically move air and sound anything like live music, impossible...BLOSE trys using paper cones of tiny size, and try to convince old people it's the best sound possible....your writings are saying similar things, that this one driver co-axial speaker is gonna sound like something specail, can't do it, impossible, no matter what kind of veneer or polish on the box. One other model is $59K, are you high? Elite Audio ran a couple of pages of glossy ads in a recent issue, prices where nuts for $120 HTIB stuff.

I sold my FOCUS to get the Whisper. I used the Focus for several years. Focus DOES go deeper, but the Whispers have a much better mid and much more ALIVE open sound. and why does it have a much better mid, MORE drivers? Hmmm, I think BD knows how to use physics to make it all REAL. Whisper also comes with a low frequency damping control unit for low end control. What GREAT stuff!. One single driver can't. It's just a fact, no marketing can change that. Legacy makes the best stuff in all it's price ranges. Like AVA electronics, priced for mortals, based in reality. no 9" X 12" box is gonna do what a Focus can do, impossible. Re price the boxes you have into reality based pricing, not based on hopes and dreams of some marketing idea.

And your advertising wurds using things like audio "instruments" and connoisseur....is some marketing plan, trying to give the highly overpriced boxes some air of sophistication. The hype is at an extreme level. Move the decmal places for the stuff, it's nuts. Some of them are at $59K? I'm sure they cost so much more to make than the others. So you think a car is priced, based on what it costs to make? Then why do they all want to sell higher priced models, than econo versions, cus it doesn't cost that much more to make than the lower levels. The price increases way beyond cost to mfg.

I'm not trolling, since this is a FORUM, I see things, read, and comment on it. That's why this has a REPLY tab. That is what this web site is for? Not just for you to advertise your stuff. REPLY function is meant to be used.

Your perception of how to listen to large speakers, do not apply. READ the Legacy pdf on how the Whispers are designed, how they work. BD has used reality and science to create one of the best speakers available. you have obviously never heard Legacy stuff, or you would not be making those ASSumptions, especially bout' the Whispers. Small speakers, small sound. That is a fact that can't change. Coaxial driver or what ever, it's never gonna move air like well designed, properly placed multiple drivers. Again, teh asking price for these TINY boes is absurd. Whispers are also extremely well made, according to BD it takes about a month to complete a Whisper from raw material to finish work of art. These ain't no stamped out speakers meant for Circuit City crowd. Legacy has superb fit and finish, with teh addded benefit of the finast sound, which is what a speaker is made to do. Legacy managed to price it in reality, their $45K Helix, way under the price of your $59K model, is a bargain!!!

Super Fi, welcome aboard.

Thanks for your posts.

Some help for ya:

Click on DUP's name on one of his posts.

Then, look along the bottom box of things you can do.

The fourth one from the left is "Ignore this user."

Choose that option, and life will suddenly get better!

I had forgotten to take my own advice the past month or so, but this thread reminded me and I will rectify my error.

I look forward to more of your announcements.

DUP can't be a Troll. It says Trolls have cunning and good enough social skills to spice the mixture before adding the vitriol.

Jeff and JA have visited DUP, who becomes the mild-mannered Carl and is a gracious host, a good egg. It is only when he assumes the persona of Internet Audio Consultant and General Debunker of All Non-Legacy-AVA Systems that he becomes a crazed, frothing psychopath. The keyboard cannot contain his sputtering, as the dreaded "Teh" begins to infect an otherwise perfectly serviceable language. Jekyll had his Hyde, Carl has his DUP. Give a man an alias and all hell breaks loose.

Warning. Do not reason with this man in his writing Avatar. But do, by all means, buy him a drink if you see him incarnate and properly clothed, fed, and housed.

Happy listening, and I hope your business is a rousing success.

Clifton,you forgot to mention shoes ! lol

Ooops! Hopefully, not an omission caused by subconscious evasion. Nostalgia, perhaps -- a yearning for happier times, when none of us wore shoes. Yes, by all means, have him properly shod.

In all fairnes to DUP, Super Fi, you did have some criticism on the audio circle forum and you over reacted there as you did here. As a pro I think you would be better served if you treated your critics with a bit more detachment.
Your marketing seems a bit over the top and can appear to some seasoned audiophiles as overhyped.

Your initial responses at AC and here tend to alienate me if I were a potential buyer (I am happy with my Watts so I'm not buying)
Both at AC and here your responses have grown increasingly more reasoned
and put you in a better light.
Anyway this is all just IMHO and I hope you don't take it negatively.

I hope I have a chance to hear the speaker some day. It looks like you carry some excellent gear.
Glad no offense was taken.

Youse guys are way to serious about stuff that really means nutin'. It's about stereos......the claims and absurd writeups about a piece of wire is ENTERTAINING, how some hear so much, become so involved in a piece of wire!!! Now don't mock what I hear, cus' this is important stuff.! Entertainment at it's best. yeah, I'm a RETARD hahahahaha Jeff, I'm unaware, now that's a gud von.....$5,500 speakers with one driver, and then the dude is all hoity toity and uppity about some over priced stuff...how dare I question and mock this wooden box!!! Some are just wrapped a bit too tight. Funny stuff, entertaining, let's see who else I can get going.

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yeah, I'm a RETARD hahahahaha Jeff, I'm unaware, now that's a gud von...

Well, the thing is, the pattern of your posting the same 4 things over and over in a variety of threads, regardless of the thread's current theme or topic, suggests compulsion over consciousness... so, yes, I would think unaware might be apt. If your frequent off-topic outbursts are indeed conscious, deliberate decisions, you're being nothing more than disruptive and malicious intentionally. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but, according to you, I'm wrong.

Jeff,you have to admit he has improved.it used to be 3 things ! lol

OCD If I DON'T post more than 2, the monster will get me.

Is it better to be UNAWARE, or intentional your honor? Like Schultz on hogan's Hero's...I'll just say I knoooow nothing.....everyone is right. For now on. I will be demagnetizing, supporting my speaker wires on lifts, i will, now hear what wire sounds like. And the sound of a $40K CD player is superbly the best available, distortion is there to sound better. You win. And grossly overpriced speaker boxes, are always a deal, cus' the marketeer says so. and physics has been defeated by marketing, one speaker will sound like 10. I give.....oh, and GERMANS don't make teh best inovative cars anymore, China and Korea do.

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Is it better to be UNAWARE, or intentional your honor? Like Schultz on hogan's Hero's...I'll just say I knoooow nothing.....everyone is right. For now on. I will be demagnetizing, supporting my speaker wires on lifts, i will, now hear what wire sounds like. And the sound of a $40K CD player is superbly the best available, distortion is there to sound better. You win. And grossly overpriced speaker boxes, are always a deal, cus' the marketeer says so. and physics has been defeated by marketing, one speaker will sound like 10. I give.....oh, and GERMANS don't make teh best inovative cars anymore, China and Korea do.

Yup, I broke my own rule and read one last DUP post. I couldn't help it. It's like watching the late news after watching watching the early news just to see if the guy on the ledge changed his mind and might not jump this time.

I looked at that post, and for a brief moment heard it in the voice of some past belligerent girlfriend hitting back with the ever powerful retort, "Fine, then you're right, I guess you're just right about everything, too. Fine! I'll just sit here and be wrong. Fine, from now on I'll just LOVE those 44K CD players, and distortion is good, and other examples of things we both know are wrong, but now I'll make it sound like you actually believe the crap I just said I'd believe in..."

DUP, thanks for the stroll down memory lane, you helped me remember what it was like to be sitting next to an angry 16 year old chick.

I especially like the "sandbagging," bringing back all your grievances and pooping them out in one breath - you pretty much covered your entire ouvre, with the exception of saying that from now on you'd listen to something other than Matt Oreo.

Well done!

How do you KNOW it is Excellent without seeing or hearing it? If I get critized for asking WHY is a single speaker priced at $5,500? What makes you think this stuff is "excellent", oh, since they priced it so high. That's the oldedst marketing trick out there, price it high, people think it's good. Have the best item in it's field, underprice it, must not be so good.

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How do you KNOW it is Excellent without seeing or hearing it? If I get critized for asking WHY is a single speaker priced at $5,500? What makes you think this stuff is "excellent", oh, since they priced it so high. That's the oldedst marketing trick out there, price it high, people think it's good. Have the best item in it's field, underprice it, must not be so good.

DUP,
I never said I knew his gear was excellent. I said "it looks like you carry some excellent gear" This comment was based on the rep of some of the manufactuers he carries and was said by me to be polite in the midst of some of my criticism of his marketing.
I have never heard the Legacies either but from numerous reveiws and friends comments I assume the Legacy brand is excellent. That means I think they would be worth auditioning IF I were in the market for speakers. Based on Van Alstines rep and longevity I would audition his gear as well.
I would never buy or recommend gear I haven't heard in my own system.

Perhaps you meant to respond to someone ele's post? Your response to mine seems to indicate you read more into it than I intended or you are not refering to my post.

Dup,
also if you read my post I think it is clear I wasn't refering to the speakers, but his other product. I have no opinion on the Angelus other than mild skepticism, eg. I am not tempted to audition them.