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Aloha,

I have a pair of Straightwire Maestro interconnects that I got in 1994. I like the way they sound and have been keeping track of how they have changed over time.

Definitely something where you can also hear the phenomenon of break in over time.

In my listening notes, about this time last year they stopped breaking in.

They had slowly evolved toward more and more detail, less grain, kind of sweeter - and improving imaging over time...becoming especially good at allowing whichever part of the music one cared to focus on become the central sound of a piece of music, at the listener's discretion.

They had demonstrated the typical initial break in changes we are all well aware of, but the final break in was something of a non-event event. They just 'arrived.'

I kept listening and sure enough, over the last year, they've hardly changed at all.

So, regarding cable break in, I can document out to 15 years.

I also have some Audioquest speaker cable purchased at the same time, and they are still breaking in, so we're looking at 15+ years for them.

So, when you see some reviewer talk about 100, 200 or however many hours of break in required for a system to settle in, think again - those are 'amateur hours.'

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On a related note, I have been tracking CD break in time, as well.

There are discs that keep sounding better and better the more I play them. At first, I thought it must be me appreciating them more and more, but even the ones I don't really like do the same thing.

I had checked out those "hot lamp" tweaks, and this is different - this is break in via the wavelength of light used by the laser to read the disc as it spins - almost a micro-break-in.

Obviously, over time, the laser light is doing something to the disc itself to make it sound better and better.

In fact, I don't have any discs that haven't continued to evolve in order for me to say how many plays it takes to adequately break in a CD.

Time for a "sham player" that 'reads' a disc with the proper wavelength that we can put discs in and leave running and check break in time more accurately. How much do you think someone could charge for a CD platyer that doesn

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And a happy April Fools day to you as well!

What? Are you kidding me?

I meant every word, except for the ones I didn't.

I posted this invaluable tweak at the wine forums I go to:

"I believe in treating wines as gently as possible, or at least controlling the way they are handled to the highest degree possible - and found a great new wine tweak that has enhanced my tasting experience.

Crook & Crook wine vibration absorbing mats.

This is a vibration absorbing mat which I stand upon while opening, pouring, and tasting wine.

I bought 8 at a discount for when we have friends over.

For sitting and tasting, you can place a chair on the mat. You can even place one under each table leg!

For you numbers types....it can add up to 6 points to a wine's score. (Imagine drinking a potential 106 point wine thanks to this baby!)

Wishing you all happy tasting on this great day."

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I especially like that it comes from "Crook and Crook."

That quality link and company name took some time to find!

Seriously, though, these "401 Issues" deserve full examination....today!

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If you want to back edit and see what we catch, I will go along and unquote you.

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Aloha,

I have a pair of Straightwire Maestro interconnects that I got in 1994. I like the way they sound and have been keeping track of how they have changed over time.

Definitely something where you can also hear the phenomenon of break in over time.

In my listening notes, about this time last year they stopped breaking in.

They had slowly evolved toward more and more detail, less grain, kind of sweeter - and improving imaging over time...becoming especially good at allowing whichever part of the music one cared to focus on become the central sound of a piece of music, at the listener's discretion.

They had demonstrated the typical initial break in changes we are all well aware of, but the final break in was something of a non-event event. They just 'arrived.'

I kept listening and sure enough, over the last year, they've hardly changed at all.

So, regarding cable break in, I can document out to 15 years.

I also have some Audioquest speaker cable purchased at the same time, and they are still breaking in, so we're looking at 15+ years for them.

So, when you see some reviewer talk about 100, 200 or however many hours of break in required for a system to settle in, think again - those are 'amateur hours.'

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If you flip your cables or speaker wires, do you reverse the break in?

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I'm a little chagrined by how much I read before I realized.

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Buddha, your insightful contributions to the world of audio are always highly valued.

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I'm jealous; 15 years of detailed auditory memory.

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How could you forget to take into consideration the effects of global warming and the now forgotten hole in the ozone?

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I think you're hearing no further improvements because you wore the damn things out. You should have used that scaly oil periodically.

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It is universally known and agreed upon that as a stylus plays/tracks and LP, the vinyl is heated to temperatures that approach those of the sun, and it take the LP a magical 24 hours to recover from the trauma of being played.

Playing an LP again too quickly ruins the LP.

I have heard this a long time ago. Yet, I have never seen proof of this as true. It apparently is true that the tracking pressure is high. Temperature is one thing, heat is another.


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When the laser light hits the disc surface, it can change the instantaneous temperature of the disc surface by an amazing percentage.

(Obviously true, as evidenced by the way the laser light on a CD recorder can melt in the data on the pits - on some discs, irreversibly!)

Anyway, I have noticed that CD's need time to recover from having been played, and require approximately 1.6 days to settle back down to their resting state.

Is there a publication that you have seen describing this phenomenon?

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Just wear out some records. Then, you will know.

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As long as we are this topic, a little drift....

I used some concrete blocks as speaker stands and was auditioning a few and found that the basic cuncrete siounds better than the coolorized concrete. Those beige/brown/green concrete bricks sacrifice sound for aesthetics.

The basic concrete blocks couple very well with speakers via White Tac, which is sonically superior to Blu Tack.

Also, regarding concrete blocks....they have polarity.

If you mount them in phase with the motion of the earth's crust, they magnify the problem. When they are mounted out of phase with the motion of the earth's crust, they help cancel out the effect, making for better isolation and improved imaging.

So, remember....concrete blocks are directional, as well!

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Just wear out some records. Then, you will know.

Have many of those records. Light tracking force is good thought as a teenager. Now have many records with damaged grooves, especially the closely spaced inner tracks.

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As long as we are on the subject...

The new "Glee" release has better sonics than "Belafonte at Carnegie Hall."

And, it's alot less didactic!

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As long as we are on the subject...

The new "Glee" release has better sonics than "Belafonte at Carnegie Hall."

And, it's alot less didactic!

Since there are no discs with better sonics than Belafonte at Carnegie Hall you either have a defective disc, a later, inferior pressing or your system is not revealing enough.

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"DARKNESS SEES THE LIGHT": PLANS REVEALED FOR REISSUE BOX
In 2008, the 30th anniversary of Darkness on the Edge of Town came and went without a Born to Run-style anniversary box. Fans have been crying, waiting, and hoping since then... but the wait is almost over. In early June, the 32nd anniversary of the release of the original album, we'll see the release of Darkness on the Edge of Town: Special Anniversary Edition.

Or should we say Editions? Following the lead of Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, and Barry Manilow, Springsteen and Sony are releasing the Darkness box in several configurations. The basic set echoes the format of the 6x12 Born to Run box:

Disc 1: remastered Darkness on the Edge of Town CD
Disc 2: DVD documentary, Straight Into Darkness, on the making of the album, including interviews with band members, staff of the Record Plant, and cover photographer Frank Stefanko
Discs 3-4: DVD of the August 15, 1978 show at Largo, Maryland (22
songs, starting with "Summertime Blues")
Not enough for you? You might want the Expanded Anniversary Edition, which also includes:

Disc 5: CD of 13 outtakes from the Darkness sessions, none of which have been previously released, including "Preacher's Daughter," "Spanish Eyes," a studio take of "Fire," and a full band "The Promise"
Disc 6: Darkness Bloopers DVD, two hours of mistakes committed during the 1978 tour. Wait until you see Roy start "Streets of Fire" instead of "Fire." Watch Bruce switch the second and third verses of "Rosalita." Includes bonus mistakes from when the band played the album in full for the first time at the Count Basie Theater in Red Bank.
But wait, there's more. Much more. In the Special Radio Broadcasts Edition, you also get full performances of four FM simulcasts from the 1978 tour:

Discs 7-9: Los Angeles (the famous July 7 Roxy show; kicks off with "Rave On," includes an impromptu "Heartbreak Hotel")
Discs 10-12: Passaic (September 19, 1978; widely bootlegged as Piece de Resistance, features a wild "Kitty's Back")
Discs 13-15: Atlanta (September 30 show, with "Night Train")
Discs 16-18: San Francisco (you may know this December 15 Winterland show, with an outstanding "Fever," as Live in the Promised Land)
Each three-disc show is housed in gatefold digipacks with pull-out replicas of ticket stubs, advertisements for the shows, backstage passes, and hand-written setlists. The Passaic packaging also includes a map of the New Jersey Turnpike.

Still got room on your shelf? Try the Special Radio Broadcasts Video Edition.

Discs 19-20: DVDs of the Los Angeles show
Discs 21-22: DVDs of the Passaic show
Discs 23-24: DVDs of the Atlanta show
Discs 25-26: DVDs of the San Francisco show
All the DVDs in this edition were supervised by Martin Scorsese, Brian
DePalma, Jonathan Demme, and John Sayles.

You've waited a long time, so you want more. You can get more in the Special Documentary Edition:

Disc 27: DVD documentary, The Making of Straight into Darkness, on the making of the documentary about the making of Darkness.
Disc 28: a blank DVD, included to balance the package and keep it from
falling over
There's also a Special Complete Edition:

Discs 29-176: complete session takes from the many months in the studio the E Street Band took to make Darkness. Highlights include a CD with 43 different versions of "Candy's Room" (including aborted takes!), Springsteen and Landau talking for 56 minutes about the sequencing of Side Two of the original LP (you'll never hear the space between "Factory" and "Streets of Fire" the same way again), and a bonus disc in which band members give roadies orders for the deli around the corner from the Record Plant. You've never heard an order for a roast beef sandwich until you've heard one from The Big Man.

Prices and packaging are still being worked out. Watch this space for more details as they come in.

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As long as we are on the subject...

The new "Glee" release has better sonics than "Belafonte at Carnegie Hall."

And, it's alot less didactic!

Since there are no discs with better sonics than Belafonte at Carnegie Hall you either have a defective disc, a later, inferior pressing or your system is not revealing enough.

Thomas Kuhn predicted you would say that.

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I'm waiting for the Mejias/Rubinson Compact Cassette/Blu-ray 3-D Edition.

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No man, you gotta get the chromium Elcaset edition, digital remaster, of course!

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Proposition: A Wollensak 8 Track player is more musical than many high end digital systems. Agree or disagree?

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Proposition: A Wollensak 8 Track player is more musical than many high end digital systems. Agree or disagree?

Walking the walk, man.

T.H.E. Show, 2007....

Same year: Nakamichi vs. Esoteric.

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