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Wow. J_J schtooped Michigan's lover.

Eww.

No.

Smoked mutton, anyone?

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Guys, why don't you just put the asshole on the ignore list? This way, you don't even have to bother entertaining this nonsense? Let's stick to the topic please.

No, actually he is entertaining us, we all know he is a clown by now and nobody will take his posting seriously at all......just imagine how many hours per day he need to spend in front of his computer typing all this rubbish ....

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Guys, why don't you just put the asshole on the ignore list? This way, you don't even have to bother entertaining this nonsense? Let's stick to the topic please.

You got enough hands to point out with each finger who needs to be ignored in this thread since it turned bad

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Please note I just say this thread since it turned bad.
A reminder for those who may have forgotten, page 20 was the last sensible page.
Cheers
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Ethan,you might want to turn states evidence. the feds are going to get your ass, for sure.

Hmm, possibly. Or maybe the DEA?!

FUTURE KEITH RICHARDS IN TRAINING?

It always starts out this small, doesn't it? Little "sumthin' sumthin'" to get you over the heebeejeebies on stage... Maybe a bit o' Vicodin, Percocet, Ritalin, amphetamines, OxyContin, some Beta Blockers... next thing you know you're graduating to bennies, shrooms, Mescaline, acid tabs, sniffing glue, huffing gas fumes, cutting rat poison, swallowing Windex, pot, heroin, crack cocaine(?).....Read a page out of your friend Ethan's true but unauthorized biography, and maybe you'll understand my point:

May 1st, 2009:
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Originally Posted by tannoy
I'm always nervous...and that's pure understatement

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Beta Blockers. Nervous is one thing, and with experience most people get past that. A little anxiety is fine and can sometimes even make you play better. But for some people stage fright is a serious condition that never goes away. Where your hands shake and your fingers turn to rubber, and you physically cannot perform very well. They say that Red Skelton used to be so nervous he'd throw up before every TV show.

I suffer from that too in extreme situations. I can play bass in a band, or cello in a string quartet, and get through it fine even in front of a lot of people. But playing lead guitar or a cello concerto with an orchestra, my fingers literally turn to jello. Same when I have to give a talk to 100+ people.

Beta blockers work very well. Modern types like Propranolol (Inderal) do not affect anything else. They do not make you drowsy or sluggish. You just feel less nervous and, more important, they remove the physical debilitation some people otherwise suffer from. Propranolol has saved my sorry butt countless times. Highly recommended.

--Ethan
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http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=11054&highlight=ethan+winer

GIMME DRUGS!

I think we're finally getting to the root of the problem here Ethie. This explains everything from why you try to sound like you're Superman, when you're not even Clark Kent, to why you can't even seem to hear differences between a gong and a mouse fart. Your yearly expenditure on illicit drugs appears to be somewhere in the ballpark of Nick Cage's debt. I wonder if the DEA needs to be informed of that fact?:

October 5th, 2009:
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Originally Posted by MGMc
Tax the churches!

No shit. Churches are just another private club IMO. Tax their bingo games too while we're at it.

And don't forget the most obvious of all - legalize drugs, especially pot, and tax that. Even with 400 percent tax I'd probably save a couple grand per year.

Again, it seems those arguing most fervently against beta blockers 1) don't need them, and 2) have never used them. This sounds like a bunch of old fogey Republicans arguing against legalizing pot.

--Ethan
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http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=12651&highlight=churches

"SCIENCE MAN" OR "SMACK BOY"? YOU DECIDE!

Jeebus, no kidding you chose a forum called "Audio Junkies" to sockpuppet on! But it appears just plain old Mary Jane isn't enough these days to get you high as the sky. So here you admit to recently experimenting with heroin. Now things are really starting to make sense to me, because often times I read your replies where you are denying evidence that is as large as an elephant on the bed in front of you, and I say to myself "Jesus H., is this guy on heroin?!!". It appears you were. Tell me, did you start taking smack around the time you created your "JohnnyR" and "Fiji5555" sockpuppets on AudioJunkies, where you -talk smack- against Ted of Synergistix?:

May 21, 2009:
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"Weedywet" wrote: if I said don't criticise heroin until you've TRIED it, that would be reasonable or constructive?

Ethan Winer: Yes! Really. I actually tried it once (fairly recently, believe it or not) just to understand what it's like. I was not worried about getting hooked trying it only once, and I was correct.
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http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?p=194491&highlight=ethan+winer#post194491

Of course Ethan, your humungous expenses to feed your addiction for weed would explain why you drive around in this:

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Originally Posted by David Aurora
im too fucking scared to ask about your car......

My car is a 1993 Camry with 215,000 miles on it, but it rides like the day bought it. Unfortunately it doesn't look like the day I bought it! Yes, I actually have clear shipping tape over a cracked tail light, and duct tape around one window to keep it from sliding down after the power window motor broke.

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http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?p=197385#post197385

As "hard" as you tried to hide your real identity behind your "Fiji555" and "JohnnyR" sockpuppets on the "Audio Junkies" forum, the user named "Asian" on AudioJunkies seems to have no problem identifying you as "Ethan Winer". Of your tweak bashing in general, and your pathetic sockpuppet attacks on the Acoustic Art system on that group, he writes this:

Written by "Asian" to "Fiji5555" (aka Ethan Winer secretly pretending he's not Ethan Winer), on "AudioJunkies":
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How about Heroin- is that an acceptable tweak Ethan? So you will try Heroin and smoke thousands of dollars of marijuana a year but you will not try the Acoustic ART System? LMAO. Now might be a good time to reach for your beta blockers Ethan.
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http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/1571/synergistic-research-acoustic-art-system

SNAKE OIL SUPERHERO OR CONFIDENCE MAN?

Finally, here Asian -really- nails you, your MO, everything you really stand for, your decidedly "unscientific" stance while you pretend to speak on science's behalf. Basically, everything you have also shown us to be on this forum. In your frantic, deliberate, daily cross-forum wide defamation campaign against Ted, who produces the Acoustic Art devices. In which you "ordered in" sockpuppets from Southern Maine and Singapore! no less, so you could double and triple post negative attacks here against Ted, in response to every positive post made by or about him. To your regular agenda of campaigning against audiophile products in general.

This evidence shows that your motivation on Stereophile, your reason for trumping up charges of "fraud" against Ted, has nothing to do with you trying to be some kind of "snake oil super hero" and saviour of audiophile souls and wallets. More likely, is the fact that his acoustic products are simply more aesthetically appealing to a market you've always wanted to penetrate; the consumer audio one:

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Fiji5555: What I, or anyone spends money on should be of no concern to you. That it is of concern, to such an extent that you post almost daily whenever anyone has anything positive to share, and triple when people make good points or post links to mounting evidence in support for the ART System, show you to be an industry insider with a competing product. I know who you are Ethan. You attempt to double and triple post over every positive post for the ART System in an attempt to burry it under a pile of your moronic words. It's not working.

Why am I here? I left for six months (again already stated and clearly evident from the posting record) but where have you been? Here almost from day one posting the same abusive CRAP day after day, month after month, and soon year after year. What will you do when SR publishes measurements? Go away, shut up, anything aside from your typical juvenile rants? I doubt it.

As to you taking a "scientific" stance to the objectivist observations- what, where, and when have you ever made even ONE scientific post to this thread? Scientifically speaking your methods are decidedly unscientific Ethan. Condemning a product or premise without performing an experiment to disprove said premise is NOT the way of SCIENCE. Knowing that something CANNOT work as a basis to NOT perform an experiment that could support your assertion is the way of the ZEALOT. Perhaps in your drug addled mind you are the master of all you survey but when you wake up with the needle still in your arm, or take the bong away from your mouth there is little substance to any of your posts. Just juvinile ranting CRAP.
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SNAKE OIL SUPERHERO OR CONFIDENCE MAN?

Finally, here Asian -really- nails you, your MO, everything you really stand for, your decidedly "unscientific" stance while you pretend to speak on science's behalf. Basically, everything you have also shown us to be on this forum. In your frantic, deliberate, daily cross-forum wide defamation campaign against Ted, who produces the Acoustic Art devices. In which you "ordered in" sockpuppets from Southern Maine and Singapore! no less, so you could double and triple post negative attacks here against Ted, in response to every positive post made by or about him. To your regular agenda of campaigning against audiophile products in general.

This evidence shows that your motivation on Stereophile, your reason for trumping up charges of "fraud" against Ted, has nothing to do with you trying to be some kind of "snake oil super hero" and saviour of audiophile souls and wallets. More likely, is the fact that his acoustic products are simply more aesthetically appealing to a market you've always wanted to penetrate; the consumer audio one:

Dear Michigan,

Please do not waste your time on Joamonte. He is no better off.

What JA commented on EW, http://forum.stereophile.com/forum/showf...art=33&vc=1, all applied to Joamonte, or even worst!

Please do not think that Joamonte is so GREAT fighting for the TRUE. What he has in mind is trying to establish his reputation in the area of room acoustics treatment, and use whatever forums as his sale and marketing platform, by ALL means. What for? To gain commercial interests from the local and neighbourhood.

Therefore Joamonte will promote himself, his products and service, prices and charges OPENLY in a user forum when opportunities arise (evidences can be found from links given by him). Unfortunately that his supporters thought that it is nothing wrong in a forum.

Again, what Joamonte has in mind is ONLY full of commercial interests, but none of "Integrity" and "Conflict of interests"!

Over the years, I've seen many guinea pigs unknowingly brought up by Joamonte

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All your bass trap are belong to us.

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All you bass traps are belong to us.

Proof?

btw, my room does not have "audiophile" room treatment.

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btw, my room does not have "audiophile" room treatment.

I did not mean to imply that I expected you would!

Welcome, by the way!

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btw, my room does not have "audiophile" room treatment.

I did not mean to imply that I expected you would!

Welcome, by the way!

Welcome too!

Btw, what you means is:

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=44607.0

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=54535.0

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=61690.0

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=49598.0

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=38972.0

and more, please help yourself

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So what...

hell, if Joamonte sold them here, id buy them. Cloning is a healthy way to provide solid products at real world prices..besides..it isn't as if the stuff is any secret.. Acoustics treatment is not a black art.
well, maybe to Ted Denney and Geoff Kait and whoever designed those stupid fucking kitty cat vibrators

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XXX

toad has too much time on his hands..talk about stalking..

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So what...

hell, if Joamonte sold them here, id buy them. Cloning is a healthy way to provide solid products at real world prices..besides..it isn't as if the stuff is any secret.. Acoustics treatment is not a black art.
well, maybe to Ted Denney and Geoff Kait and whoever designed those stupid fucking kitty cat vibrators

Dear sir,

First, my previous post is responding to Buddha regarding "All you bass traps are belong to us.

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btw, my room does not have "audiophile" room treatment.

I did not mean to imply that I expected you would!

Welcome, by the way!

Welcome too!

Btw, what you means is:

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=44607.0

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=54535.0

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=61690.0

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=49598.0

http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=38972.0

and more, please help yourself

LOL!.....hey I will give you a nick~~"Mr frog of Singapore"......you are another stupid clown IMO,this is there third or forth time you try to insult me in audio forum but unsuccessful right?

I have to thanks you for helping me to dig out those link to proof that I have nothing to do with Ethan at all,I didn't bother to search those link but you did it for me, you are as dumb as before.......well, since I know where you live, maybe I must pay a visit to your family someday and bring some gift to you to thanks you of all that you done for me

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So what...

hell, if Joamonte sold them here, id buy them. Cloning is a healthy way to provide solid products at real world prices..besides..it isn't as if the stuff is any secret.. Acoustics treatment is not a black art.
well, maybe to Ted Denney and Geoff Kait and whoever designed those stupid fucking kitty cat vibrators

Dear sir,

First, my previous post is responding to Buddha regarding "All you bass traps are belong to us.

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Dear Michigan,

Please do not waste your time on Joamonte. He is no better off.

If by that you mean that he appears to be a functional retard, who is so obviously saying the opposite of the truth in every single post that you can spot him lying from a mile away, and could not come up with a single thing to support any of his disposable statements if his life depended on it, and is absolutely positively no match for me, even if I were sedated on Demarol.... well then I agree. I don't and never did care about an anonymous sockpuppet shmuck like "Joamonte". He's such an idiot, that he doesn't even have any awareness of the fact that all his posts look like that of an anonymous shill, to anyone who reads them. Which means that while he thinks he's fighting a really effective battle against Acoustic Art, he's really just pissing into the wind IMO. What I care about is why he is here. I care about the fact that Ethan brought him here as a kind of dog of war, in his organized campaign against his competitor Acoustic Art. Because you see, that is unethical and may be against the rules of our forum.

Now I posted evidence here that shows Joamonte appears to be a supplier for RealTraps products in Singapore. You seem to know more about him, because on another forum, you wrote about Joamonte: "the worst part is talked bad about people who didn't buy his products.". Can you please tell me whether Joamonte is a dealer for RealTraps or any acoustic or other audio products? You suggested that Joamonte was hiding his membership in the audio industry in your reference to what JA said.

Please do not think that Joamonte is so GREAT fighting for the TRUE. What he has in mind is trying to establish his reputation in the area of room acoustics treatment, and use whatever forums as his sale and marketing platform, by ALL means. What for? To gain commercial interests from the local and neighbourhood.

Why is he on a single-minded war here against Ted Denney and his company, Synergistix? I know it isn't a coincidence that Joamonte knows Ethan Winer, nor is it a coincidence they are both waging a war against Ted D. Do you know if David L. is an employee of Ethan's?

Last, I knew WHERE and HOW Joamonte got his latest bass trap design from! It'll be SHAMEFUL for Singaporean if I spell it out!

Spell it out! Were not in Singapore here! I know that if Joamonte were here, he would want you to spell it out! Does it rhyme with "RealCraps"?

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Seems like our pissing matches have gone international! Well done!! Our new slogan: Stereophile forums - pissing across the ocean through 11 times zones.

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Dear Frog,

Can you please tell me whether Joamonte is a dealer for RealTraps or any acoustic or other audio products?

You secretly add in "or other audio products" , so that mean if I am selling other audio product, I am also a dealer of Realtrap now?

Quick powerman, show you fool friend and us all "evidence" you have, I really unable to find any "evidence" in the frog's link that show I am the dealer of realtraps, pls help me....

Oppps...sorry..I forgot you don't know what is Realtraps, Basstrap or frogtrap because you know nothing about acoustic treatment at all.....

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Second, I've nothing to against one who wishes to gain commercial interest from the public and it need to have rules to follow, isn't it? Let us look at Page No. 3 of this link, http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=67318.30, Joamonte quoted prices and sale term in a user forum, NOT sale forum, OPENLY, will JA allow this to be happened is his Forum?

That's a good question Powerman, and one that I am wondering too. I'm not sure what the rules are for sockpuppet shills, even though I've been here for 2 years. You have to understand, they kind of keep us in the dark about "the rules". They're like "hidden, secret rules". So secret, that there are only 2 people here privileged to know what they are. Sometimes just one, maybe. And they don't even know what they are it seems, until that moment of inspiration comes, and the "rule" takes shape in their minds. Of course, us mortal members are not so privileged, so we only know what the rules are when we have broken them. And it appears to be a different set of rules for each one of us, so it doesn't even help to look at your fellow member, and say "Well he can do this, so I guess I can too." Sorry, doesn't work that way! You might be permitted to do something your fellow member can't, he might be permitted to do something you can't. How will you know? Don't worry, you'll know when you know!

Having said that however, just about the only rule that we do know, because it's the only one posted here, is that you have to identify yourself in full, if you sell audio products. I know this because I was almost obliged to, even though I have no industry affiliation! It was a very harrowing time for me, because I didn't even know which company I was supposed to work for!! I was especially nervous because I hadn't even visited an audio shop since Marconi's were the popular choice of music reproduction, and haven't read an audio magazine since Wireless World went electronic. So the only company's I could think of were Clapp-Eastham Blitzen and their newest rival at the time, Western-Electric.

I think you have just proven to an adequate measure with your links, that our latest sockpuppet shill "Joamonte" sells acoustic room treatment products that he manufacturers himself. And it appears may be selling Ethan's products as well, in his local market. What a surprise, since I could never possibly imagine that Joamonte, who only wanted to be a productive and contributing member to our community and only posted negative attacks on S-Art, was in the business of acoustic treatment products. But since he is hiding this fact, I'm pretty sure that that is against the rules!

Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta go find out what the hell acoustic treatment products "David L." sells!

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toad has too much time on his hands..talk about stalking..

Sorry, I thought I was helping you learn something about your friend Ethan. I didn't know that you already knew he was a major dope fiend and heroin addict, after you told me what a swell guy he is and would never post under a sockpuppet because he's... how did you put it? "Too classy a guy to do that"? Because as we all know, drug addicts are way too classy to post as sockpuppets on a forum called "AudioJunkies". I can see now that this "classy guy" can rape a bus full of orphans and throw buckets of kittens into his washer, and it wouldn't bother you none. So long as he doesn't use a handle in his posts. Like you do. Even if he does use a handle, I have a feeling you would still give him and all of his sockpuppets a pass if the neighbours find twenty dead bodies in his basement. So long as he gives you solid advice on how to install your room traps. At your preferred price: free. Nice to see you have a set of ethics you stand by. Not so nice to see they appear to be modelled on Anton LaVey's.

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Now we see why I refer to some of the more loony-bins types as stalkers.

I should ressurrect the old linux box and start a thread dedicated to stupid threats and attempts to get me fired from various audiophile nutbags and fellow travellers.

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And it appears may be selling Ethan's products as well, in his local market. What a blah blah blah blah....

Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta go find out what the hell acoustic treatment products "David L." sells!

ROFLMAO .... Rolling on Floor Laughing My Ass Off .....

So now you secretly add in "may be" again??

And now you trying to tell us those who selling acoustic product(and audio product) or those who helping other to design room acoustic all are under the mastermind of Realtrap Aka Evil Ethan Winer????

How do frog's brain cells connected to each other, I wonder..... ??

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..Design room is my part time hobby and I charge on project basis , usually about USD$250 in local to compensate my time which including design, a few on site checking and voicing of the system , for those who know how much acoustic product/service usually cost will know USD $250 is joking price for the effort I have delivered.....those who live in Singapore/Malaysia can email me at linyonghui@hotmail.com , but sorry I unable to do it for foreigner because it is not possible for me to fly over there to do on-site measurement and voicing after I done the room because of my main daily work....

Ok. I can see now what Powerman was talking about when he said that you have a really nasty habit of trying to shill your products and services on discussion forums where it is not appropriate. Your sales efforts are not appropriate here and violate our rules, so stop that immediately. Your motives for being here wasn't already apparent to everyone, it should be now. You are basically a walking, talking, living, breathing piece of SPAM on this board. And when a discussion forum develops a SPAM problem, you know its really going downhill.

Furthermore, as you are clearly a dealer in audio services and products, by your own admission, by evidence I have shown and evidence Powerman has added, in accordance with our TOS you are obligated to identify yourself with your real name and the name of your business in your signature. I know it isn't "Joamonte", Lin Yong. (Please note: "Joamonte Dude" is not acceptable either).

We also have a policy in place that states one industry affiliate is not to comment on the products of another. This means that you are to stop posting any negative or other comments on Ted D.'s products, or another other's here. I shouldn't have to tell you any of this, it is your obligation to read the policies of the forums you join. Don't worry, I am cogniscant of the fact that if you can not sell your wares here or do what you came here to do, attack another acoustics dealer (Ted D.), then there is nothing about our forum that will have any appeal to you. That's the general idea, I believe.

Have to thanks powerman for testified for me that I have nothing related with Ethan

Are you saying that you have never been on the same forum as Ethan before coming here to harass Ted D., and never had any conversations with him on another forum?

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Now we see why I refer to some of the more loony-bins types as stalkers.

I should ressurrect the old linux box and start a thread dedicated to stupid threats and attempts to get me fired from various audiophile nutbags and fellow travellers.

Don't worry James. I am doing all I can to help ensure that Joamonte is no longer a threat to you. Although not being in the acoustics treatment business as Ted whom he is stalking is (unless you are and you did not declare that??), you probably don't have that much to worry about.

Your pal, Michigan.

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Seems like our pissing matches have gone international! Well done!! Our new slogan: Stereophile forums - pissing across the ocean through 11 times zones.

LOL,
it would also be fair to say this thread now reads like a Jerry Springer Show script, wonder if he reads this to get a bit inspired

Cheers
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Seems like our pissing matches have gone international! Well done!! Our new slogan: Stereophile forums - pissing across the ocean through 11 times zones.

LOL,
it would also be fair to say this thread now reads like a Jerry Springer Show script, wonder if he reads this to get a bit inspired

Cheers
Orb

It is getting pretty funny Orb. But there are some grains of truth, especially the flat out admission that one has falsified his comment(s) as well as his data/graphs. I put XX and YY in the quote so as not to mention names.


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I thought I'd point out a few things about your "Hard Data".... (I know you tried to claim it's a camera angle issue, but you can see there is not enough angle difference that you would not see the smoke detector, and since you claim the mic stands were not moved, and the smoke detector is directly above the stand, you would see it in the YY YY shots too) We all know the results will not be accurate if done in different locations. But, since you can clearly see a smoke detector in the XXX shots, but not in the YY YY shots, this proves they were shot in different locations. Perhaps you didn't like the results you were getting with them both in the same location. Since we now know you altered the locations, that makes the "slide show" suspect.

Admission of faking data/graphs by one's own words, and changing positions of a competitor's product. I can see the public worrying about such fraud being perpetrated on them.

So some good has come forth from this dismal string.

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SAS, you are pathetic.

You've been whinging about ethan for God knows how long. Heres a little secret. It hasn't affected his sales. It won't. Nor his character. Same thing with Ted Denney. The type of person that buys that stuff is going to continue to.

give it up. At this point it is just sad.

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SAS, you are pathetic.

You've been whinging about ethan for God knows how long. Heres a little secret. It hasn't affected his sales. It won't. Nor his character. Same thing with Ted Denney. The type of person that buys that stuff is going to continue to.

give it up. At this point it is just sad.

Evidence is evidence NCdrawal, something you cannot sneak around. And you brought up his name, not me. You claiming an actually admission of fraud on the public is not to be concerned about?

I can just visualize the public thinking, 'I want to get suckered into sabotaging my own system so I can spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars more. Yep, he is a good guy for suckering us. So is that NC and others backing him. They must be good guys as well for suckering us.'

Kinda shows whose pocket you are in NCdrawal, and your respect for the public as well. Sounds like the wall street gang.

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SAS, you are pathetic.


No shit. And talk about stalking! Him and Frog both. Now they're quoting other people accusing me of who-the-hell-knows-what.

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It hasn't affected his sales. It won't.


It occurred to me that the only vendors who stand to lose potential customers from hate threads like this are Sammet and Denney. Frog-stool won't be caught dead letting his real name be tied to his real hatred, so he's immune. But those other guys are so obviously pathetic, I can imagine quite a backlash for them. Especially Sammet. Say Steve, how are sales lately?

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No shit. And talk about stalking! Him and Frog both. Now they're quoting other people accusing me of who-the-hell-knows-what.

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You'll never catch me on a technicality Sammet!

I mentioned no names, that was NCdrawal's doing. My point was to respond to Orb and state that some solid evidence has been presented in this string, so the string is not a total waste. So what is your problem?

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You're kidding right? That guy is a junior version of you and Frog, only not quite so caustic.

Did you even watch the video?

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You're kidding right? That guy is a junior version of you and Frog, only not quite so caustic.

Did you even watch the video?

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What happened to your own quotes? Oh, you only present what you could argue about. We see. Too bad Nc brought up your name or this thread could have died out.

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Steve, did you watch the video or didn't you? Sheesh!

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Steve, did you watch the video or didn't you? Sheesh!

Since Ethan wishes to keep this going (Stephen), nope I just read about it. Let's see what was stated.


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I thought I'd point out a few things about your "Hard Data". You never answered the question why you did not record the SE RF and the PVB in the same location? (I know you tried to claim it's a camera angle issue, but you can see there is not enough angle difference that you would not see the smoke detector, and since you claim the mic stands were not moved, and the smoke detector is directly above the stand, you would see it in the SE RF shots too) We all know the results will not be accurate if done in different locations. But, since you can clearly see a smoke detector in the PVB shots, but not in the SE RF shots, this proves they were shot in different locations. Perhaps you didn't like the results you were getting with them both in the same location. Since we now know you altered the locations, that makes the "slide show" suspect.

Slide show or video. Secondly it is hard to miss the smoke detector in and then out of the presentation. Thirdly, you have a history of posting falsified data/graphs for years. I proved that from AVS and these other forums.

Some may think AVS was a one time mistake. It is not. I quickly found 6 more websites the other day preparing for my post where falsified information has been presented. It is plain and simple fact from Ethan's own posts.

First, from AVS, Ethan's posted admission of the deviation in the RS meter at low frequencies.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1063837


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Yes, at 20 Hz the RS meters are off by 4 to 8 dB, but at 30 Hz the disparity is only about 4 dB.

Notice what he states on other forums and notice the dates at the websites. Falsifying data/graphs has been going on for years.

1) Audioholics forum

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23494


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I have both the RS meter and an expensive calibrated microphone. Below 800 Hz they track each other within 1 dB (no correction curve needed or used), and that's plenty accurate for low frequency testing.


Of course +1db is admittedly false, it is between 4 and 8 db.

If one over basses by 8db, one nearly doubles the amount of bass, and the need for even more room treatments.

2) From Tapeop forum

http://messageboard.tapeop.com/viewtopic.php?p=314434&sid=8f2f165db7255c748859c32071416c52


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As for the Radio Shack SPL meter, those are fine up to about 800 Hz. Above that the accuracy falls off. But the major problems in small rooms are usually below 300 or 400 Hz anyway, and the RS meter is fine for that.


Yet the meter is 4-8db off, clearly boosting the bass to nearly nearly double (8db) that should be for flat response. This fattens the bass so more bass traps are needed.

3) From Soundonsound

http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Number=70159


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I tested my Radio Shack SPL meter against my expensive calibrated AKG mike, and they were within a dB of each other below 500 Hz.

4) Again Soundonsound

http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Number=334510


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I have three microphones I've used with ETF. One is a Radio Shack SPL meter and it's fine for low frequencies. When I did a side by side comparison with my expensive AKG C451 and calibrated omni capsule, the RS meter tracked within 1 dB up to 800 Hz.


Again way off from the correct value, so one will over bass their room if one follows the RS meter.

5) Gearslutz forum/board

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-g...st-tone-cd.html


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Yes, the RS meter is fine for low frequencies, which is what you mostly care about.


Again no one knows how far off the RS meter really is. If one follows the recommendation one will have over bass and need more treatments.

6) From Sound and Vision

Notice the wording in this post.

http://forums.soundandvisionmag.com/archive/index.php/t-410469.html


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I wouldn''t worry about "correcting" the response for a Radio Shack SPL meter.... You can be sure these mikes deviate at higher frequencies, but in the bass range they''re well within 1 dB of each other.

Notice Ethan has had a hard time giving factually correct information to the public, that has not been doctored, for years.

If we ask for the video/slide show, is it going to be the correct one, and if so will it also be doctored?

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..Design room is my part time hobby and I charge on project basis , usually about USD$250 in local to compensate my time which including design, a few on site checking and voicing of the system , for those who know how much acoustic product/service usually cost will know USD $250 is joking price for the effort I have delivered.....those who live in Singapore/Malaysia can email me at linyonghui@hotmail.com , but sorry I unable to do it for foreigner because it is not possible for me to fly over there to do on-site measurement and voicing after I done the room because of my main daily work....

Ok. I can see now what Powerman was talking about when he said that you have a really nasty habit of trying to shill your products and services on discussion forums where it is not appropriate. Your sales efforts are not appropriate here and violate our rules, so stop that immediately. Your motives for being here wasn't already apparent to everyone, it should be now. You are basically a walking, talking, living, breathing piece of SPAM on this board. And when a discussion forum develops a SPAM problem, you know its really going downhill.

Furthermore, as you are clearly a dealer in audio services and products, by your own admission, by evidence I have shown and evidence Powerman has added, in accordance with our TOS you are obligated to identify yourself with your real name and the name of your business in your signature. I know it isn't "Joamonte", Lin Yong. (Please note: "Joamonte Dude" is not acceptable either).

We also have a policy in place that states one industry affiliate is not to comment on the products of another. This means that you are to stop posting any negative or other comments on Ted D.'s products, or another other's here. I shouldn't have to tell you any of this, it is your obligation to read the policies of the forums you join. Don't worry, I am cogniscant of the fact that if you can not sell your wares here or do what you came here to do, attack another acoustics dealer (Ted D.), then there is nothing about our forum that will have any appeal to you. That's the general idea, I believe.

Have to thanks powerman for testified for me that I have nothing related with Ethan

Are you saying that you have never been on the same forum as Ethan before coming here to harass Ted D., and never had any conversations with him on another forum?

Well it all thank to your buddy powerman, before he appear in this thread, and post those links did you see me mention anything of my project in Singapore? Since he is so helpful to promote for me what I have achieve how can I disappointed him?

BTW, I think by now you should know that I have nothing related with Realtrap if you really read those link, or else you will not secretly change your statement to "may be" Joamonte is a dealer of realtrap...come more , don't feel ashamed to admit your mistake and try to divert other attention on whether I am a hifi dealer....we already know your old trick..

As for the dealer signature , don't worry, if I register a hifi related company I will proudly show it unlike you...or if the forum admin don't mind I can put the name of my coffee manufacturer business in my signature now too...

BTW ,one thing I have to make it clear to Ted and everyone,I have nothing against any SR product~~ I got friend in Singapore who selling similar "ASI" resonator product , and I am ok to believe this thing is do change sound positively or negatively just like cable or footer (which we might unable to see any different in acoustic measurement),since some users claim they can hear the different....

BUT what I am against is ,someone trying using Fake measurement report to lie about the effectiveness of a product INTENTIONALLY!!!

And now Ted telling us that the measurement is an error due to a 500msec delay is also a BS to me.....to my understand of REW reading , the different between his "before" and "after" waterfall graph , is not due to a "delay 500 msec between 2 measurement" at all.......to me, seem like Ted is trying to create a "fake error" , to cover his intentionally faking measurement result earlier on....

I hope I am wrong, but unless he can public his "error" measurement REW file, I don't buy his explanation at all.

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nope I just read about it.


There's still time to watch the video and realize your mistake.


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I quickly found 6 more websites the other day preparing for my post where falsified information has been presented.


Are your sales so far down in the toilet that you're reduced to stalking me just to have something to fill your day with?

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Are your sales so far down in the toilet that you're reduced to stalking me just to have something to fill your day with?

Are yours that you're reduced to creating sockpuppets ("JohnnyR", "Fiji5555") on AudioJunkies in order to post daily attacks against Ted for months? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. The only reason you post to most forums is to soft sell your products. But what's the reason you started posting e-books to that thread, when I started exposing your activities on it? The hope that no one would want to have to read through all that to confirm the posts are from you? That's not a rhetorical question, so feel free to answer it.

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This thread needs closing.

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agree. also..frog and sas.. banhammer

sammet has been bitching for months and months.. broken record at this point. hes like the guy with the "end is nigh" sign. noone gives a damn but him

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agree. also..frog and sas.. banhammer

sammet has been bitching for months and months.. broken record at this point. hes like the guy with the "end is nigh" sign. noone gives a damn but him

We see crackpots like you who continue to attack honest folks while stealing from the public. I have never seen you take the public's side, but always against the public, and always supporting those who scam the public for their money. That is the difference between you and me. You are just irked because you and your friends got caught, after conning the public for years, by using confessed falsified data/graphs. In legal terms that is internet fraud. Interesting as well is that you guys never get along with anyone but are always attacking everyone, including competitors, as JA has mentioned before. Got any more excuses to back your unethical behaviour NCdrawal?

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Him and Frog both. Now they're quoting other people accusing me of who-the-hell-knows-what.

Sure. Pretend you have temporary Alzheimer's, when one of your little fanboys pats you on the back for being a successful liar. Wink. wink. Since you asked Ethie, here's just a small dirty laundry list of some of your cheating and lying on the Stereophile forum. It should be noted that you've been screwing with people by cheating and lying to them on a great many other audio forums as well, and the complaints against you there are the same ones as we find here.:

* Falsely accusing Ted. D. of Synergistix of both fraud for his products and falsification of his meausurement data. For which you are guilty of defamation, which is illegal, and may be sued in a court of law.

* Being a pill, pot and heroin junkie. Which is also illegal.

* Falsely accusing Furutech of the same bullshit claim of "fraud". Which again, you didn't even attempt to provide evidence for.

* Posting under 2 or 3 sockpuppet names ("JohnnyR", "Fiji555") on the "Audiojunkies" forum; on the page concerning the Acoustic Art devices, so that you could wage a campaign of disrepute against Ted Denney of Acoustic Art. Your posts were vile, hateful, inane and very numerous, over months of time. As with everything you do and say, you were so stupid about it however, that never mind me, you didn't even fool the members of Audiojunkies. Because they tagged you by your writing style and content as being "Ethan Winer". Among your sockpuppet posts on AJ, you whined about Ted not naming his engineer for the Stereophile test (like as if anyone in the world other than you gave a shit about that), boasted about what an expert on REW waterfall graphs you are, posted links to your own website (with the disclaimer that you weren't Ethan Winer!), and wrote lots of other things that fingered you as the author of those vile anti-competitor posts.

* Falsifying mic graphs on at least six different forums you post to, so that you could dupe consumers into believing that there was a problem with their rooms, when the problem originates with an RS mic.
Then admitting the graphs were faked on a different forum.

* Falsifying video product test comparisons on your own website in order to dupe consumers into believing your products are better than they are ("PVB" IIRC). The reason for that is because your product didn't perform well in the test, so you redid it, but eagle eye forumers spotted differences that prove the conditions of the test were manipulated. I assume you have since the scandal, changed or removed those videos on your site.

* Although you didn't succeed this time, you did once again attempt to falsify data here, by doctoring audio test files you took from Mike Frehmer, and expecting to sucker me into testing the falsified data files so I would botch the test, and you could then claim you had proven fraud against Furutech, and even make a case against me.

* You lied about pretending to agree to my test challenge to you, stalling and refusing to discuss it with me, because you never actually intended to go through with the test at all. You just wanted me to give you my home address, so you can Google it and find out if I'm a competitor of yours. I was one step ahead of you, as I -always- am, and that's why when I suspected this was the only reason you were agreeing to the test, I changed the location to a friend's house. Then of course when I did, you magically lost interest and made up some lying face-saving excuses as to why you were cowarding your way out of this, proving I was right in my suspicions about you. So basically you lied to the entire group and strung them on a big ol' "lie ride", getting them all hot and bothered about a test challenge you knew would never happen, because as a habitual lying coward, you had no intention of ever meeting such a challenge from me. This is when I first really started to realize there was something very very wrong and disturbing about you. More recently, reading a bit of what people think of you on other sites, I realize, I wasn't alone....

* Being an arrogant dogmatic asshole net bully who tries to bully people using the argument to authority fallacy, when you're stupidly ignorant on the opinion you're pretending you're an authoritative expert on. One who goes out of his way to insult people who have different beliefs; particularly if those beliefs cover products you are completely ignorant of in every way, and which don't fit into your limited understanding of audio. This covers everything from you contradicting people you don't know and never met, on their own experiences in their own listening rooms, to dismissing people's experiences of products you have never tried but trigger your prejudices. That's not illegal nor particularly unique to you. But I note it because everyone from Scott, who fawns over you like he's in love with you, to people on totally different audio forums, has criticized you for this. So obviously, there is something unique about how you insult people with your beliefs and wrong-headed opinions that you espouse as "scientific fact", and how you are the most offensive on a group comprised entirely of otherwise quite civil forumers.


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You'll never catch me on a technicality Sammet!

Yeah, right! He's "caught" you on a million. You know there's isn't a rule that says every one of your sigs must contain a lie. I'm not sure what you read exactly.

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SAS, you are pathetic. You've been whinging about .....

Well... lookey who's being nasty and "discourteous", and without any discourtesy on the part of SAS toward you. He wasn't even talking about you in fact. Tell me again how you think an "anonymous asshole" hides behind a handle and it allows him to be "discourteous" because it means he doesn't have to take responsibility for his words. So then I told you that you were full of it, using Ethan as an example to support my argument, since he is one of the most "discourteous" members here, and never takes responsibility for anything he says. Now -you- are supporting my argument again with your hypocritical behaviour, and completely destroyed yours about "anonymous assholes". Which was really insane of you to make in the first place, since as we see, you're still hiding behind your anonymous asshole handle, and never changed it. Your name isn't "Teddy Ray" either, is it? Thought so.

ethan for God knows how long. Heres a little secret. It hasn't affected his sales. It won't. Nor his character. Same thing with Ted Denney. The type of person that buys that stuff is going to continue to.

It isn't about "sales", Charlie. It's about -the truth-. You keep getting that wrong, because this is obviously something that means nothing to you. You who would so vehemently defend a proven liar and a cheat, without no moral backbone. Truth is also something that you would never admit to, so that might be why you don't care about it.

Your good buddy Ethan does not have the right, at least not an ethical one, to falsely accuse one of our industry members of "fraud". Then fail to support his many defamatory accusations with proof when asked, then flat out lie about having provided proof, when the indisputable facts show otherwise. Then we learn that it is (once again) Ethan who is guilty what he accused Ted of. We learned off one of his other forums that Ethan rigged video product tests on his own site, in order to dupe potential customers. We learned on another forum that Ethan lied about a measurement tool, so he could dupe people into buying his products. SAS is simply a member with a "conscience". Look the word up, as it appears you have no concept of the word. He does not want to allow Ethan to be given carte blanche to cheat and lie to people. Guess what, neither do I. I don't care if you don't agree with that, because I don't see that you have any more moral character than the shady character you're apologizing for.

How effective or ineffective SAS effort to counter the deceit Whiner's engages in is both irrelevant, but more to the point, certainly not something you have knowledge of. I noticed you have a bad but ongoing habit of making emphatic claims that you just rolled off the top of your head, in which you provide zero proof of them. But yet you make them as if there was no doubt or dispute to their certainty?! Is this to get people to laugh at you or what? I mean for example, how would you even know what Ethan's sales records have been since he started this campaign of bashing Ted's business, if you do not work for Ethan? Is there something you're not telling us about your relationship with Winer?

give it up. At this point it is just sad.

Give it up yourself. What's sad is: you don't give a shit about the truth. And you stick up for liars, lowlifes, frauds and hypocrites, if they give you discounts on room treatment products. What do you think that says about your ethical character and integrity as a man? Bupkis, from where I'm standing. If you're just here to play kissass to Ethan, maybe you should stay out of it. Because defending EW at this point, especially with the kind of hypocrisy and venom you're using, is certainly not putting you in a better light. But maybe you don't care because you post with an anonymous handle.

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Interesting as well is that you never get along with anyone but are always attacking everyone, including competitors, as JA has mentioned before.

I think you are getting ncdrawl and Ethan Winer confused. I have mentioned that Ethan attacks his commercial competitors, not ncdrawl. The latter has posted a lot of useful information, as I mention in the December's issue's "As We See It," when I give him a shout-out for recommending the Dynamic Range Meter from www.pleasurizemusic.com.

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Interesting as well is that you never get along with anyone but are always attacking everyone, including competitors, as JA has mentioned before.

I think you are getting ncdrawl and Ethan Winer confused. I have mentioned that Ethan attacks his commercial competitors, not ncdrawl. The latter has posted a lot of useful information, as I mention in the December's issue's "As We See It," when I give him a shout-out for recommending the Dynamic Range Meter from www.pleasurizemusic.com.

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Yes, JA, I made a mistake and left out "guys", should have read you guys, which I just corrected in my previous post. My point is that whenever EW attacks anyone, NC is always there to back him and attack as well. A group effort to undermine others. I hope this is clearer.

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Yes, JA, I made a mistake and left out "guys", should have read you guys, which I just corrected in my previous post. My point is that whenever EW attacks anyone, NC is always there to back him and attack as well. A group effort to undermine others. I hope this is clearer.

Well, yes, I back him up, because he is in the right. Ted posted some graphs. There were issues with the graphs, Ethan pointed this out. Ted later stated that the graphs were, indeed, erroneous. It should have stopped there..that is, unless, Ted were to post a follow-up(which, in my opinion was the right thing to do) set of graphs/measurements. Frog commences to making character attacks, as always, while SAS stays his usual course and whinges about "ethan's lying to the public"..

What does ethan's personal life have to do with this?

this thread has gotten disgusting. I regret that I ever got involved in this trash.

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Yes, JA, I made a mistake and left out "guys", should have read you guys, which I just corrected in my previous post. My point is that whenever EW attacks anyone, NC is always there to back him and attack as well. A group effort to undermine others. I hope this is clearer.

Well, yes, I back him up, because he is in the right. Ted posted some graphs. There were issues with the graphs, Ethan pointed this out. Ted later stated that the graphs were, indeed, erroneous. It should have stopped there..that is, unless, Ted were to post a follow-up(which, in my opinion was the right thing to do) set of graphs/measurements. Frog commences to making character attacks, as always, while SAS stays his usual course and whinges about "ethan's lying to the public"..

What does ethan's personal life have to do with this?

this thread has gotten disgusting. I regret that I ever got involved in this trash.

The public sees through your smokescreen and causing confusing tatics NC.

First Ted admitted his data was incorrect. But you guys continue in your constant vicious attacks on Ted accusing him of intentional "fraud" and "photoshopping" without any proof. This is flat out wrong NC. Ethan has yet to prove Ted's products do not even work. And Ethan's conduct has been unethical by any scientific standards. But we don't hear a complaint from you about his conduct.

The rules here also clearly state that Ethan cannot dice another competitor, period. And yet you have clearly sided with breaking those rules never once posting Ethan should not have done so. But you are complaining against us because ethan got caught falsifying data. Somebody is in somebody's pocket.

Yes, it is ironic that while you attack Ted, you continue to support Ethan who is at least 10 times dirtier and has been proven, by his own confession, to be duping the public out of their money for years through fake data/graphs. You have never complained once about Ethan stealing money from the public.
Oh yes, the public sees you and Ethan for what you two (plus your friends) really are.

What is it the good book says, cast out the beam in your own eye before casting out the mote from your brother's/competitor's eye.

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Re: Cheech & Chong vs. Ethan Winer

who is attacking ted?

the graphs were id'd to be wrong by ethan. ted said they were wrong. period.

so I guess to show ethan how bad he has been , you are trying to one-up him by doing the broken-record spiel?

Give it up. Your accusations are not going to have any impact on Ethan's business..nor his reputation.

So..as a manufacturer, should you be engaging in slandering? At the very least, you are acting unprofessionally.

Ethan's products are proven. Ted's arent. Who has more to lose and more to gain? Id suggest that the best thing you and frog both can do is to just shut up. The thread is already trashed. im bowing out and you two are going on ignore.

I wonder if Frog will comment on the "racism" thread?

out here.

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Well, yes, I back him up, because he is in the right. Ted posted some graphs. There were issues with the graphs, Ethan pointed this out. Ted later stated that the graphs were, indeed, erroneous. It should have stopped there..

Except, as has been pointed out to you and other Ethan supporters one thousand times over by several of us here, you and Ethan are deliberately distorting and misrepresenting the facts, to make it appear that Ethan was justified in his charges of fraud and falsification, and even that Ted admitted as much. You're still doing that, despite not supporting your claims with irrefutable evidence, and being proven otherwise by several of us here. Which is why I say that both you and Ethan continue to make disproven claims and maintaining unethical positions, and why it hasn't "stopped there". The truth you're constantly misrepresenting is there was only one proven issue with the graphs, which Ted himself had to reveal. Ethan did not "point this out" and correctly identify that issue, and the proof is you have never been able to show that. He simply said he didn't think the graphs were right, then went on to "point out" issues that he was proven wrong on by several of us here, including JA. Of course, Ethan refused to accept the evidence that he was wrong, without being able to prove he was right.

that is, unless, Ted were to post a follow-up(which, in my opinion was the right thing to do) set of graphs/measurements. Frog commences to making character attacks, as always, while SAS stays his usual course and whinges about "ethan's lying to the public"..

Ted -did- state he would post a follow-up; one administered by an accredited, neutral third party and backed by Stereophile no less. So that this artificially-created scandal about Ted deliberately defrauding the public, which Ethan orchestrated with the help of no less than two sockpuppet friends of his that he brought to this forum exclusively to attack Ted and sully the reputation of his company's products, wouldn't be repeated. This way, no one signing up with an anonymous troll handle just to target Ted D., could waltz in here and casually accuse him of say, paying the Sicilian mafia to create fake REW waterfall graphs, with the blood of a dozen murdered acousticians. ie. ("Hey Guido! U wanna me to punch up de decay on de after graph?" "Yah, but not too much!! You get-a-too excited, you! We gots to make it look buon!"). The thing that always helps me to identify an irrationally biased and dishonest Ethan Winer supporter, is when they deny Ted's statement of a revised test, as though he never mentioned this 16 times already. In bold.

As for you attacking SAS contributions, by calling it whinges about "ethan's lying to the public", I have told you, not everyone shares your total lack of respect for the truth. Not everyone is willing to give Ethan a pass for defrauding the public with false misrepresentations of himself, his own products, and that of his competitors. Not everyone is a friend, and/or customer, and/or business associate of Ethan Winer's. If there was -anything- inappropriate about SAS, or myself, or anyone else exposing Ethan Winer's lying on this forum, you would have been able to show that already with something more than the random hit and run ad hominem attacks you are known for. Instead of you just "whinging" about people who take the trouble to fight Ethan's efforts to deliberately mislead Stereophile readers.

What does ethan's personal life have to do with this?

You don't think Ethan sockpuppeting on other forums to write totally disgusting character attacks about fraud and falsification against Ted has anything to do with the disgusting charges of dealer fraud and deliberate falsification of test data here? Or that he has a history of making character attacks on other forums, while claiming here that he never does that? Or that on other forums, he has been shown to falsify his own data that he disseminates to people, while falsely accusing one of our industry members, and a competitor of his, of doing this here? Then you are blinded by your association with Ethan; whether that is as a customer, business partner or friend.

his thread has gotten disgusting. I regret that I ever got involved in this trash.

I agree. But it has taught me and many reading you, that you take a lot of emphatic stands on things, ethical and otherwise, which you will staunchly and loudly defend. Nothing wrong with that per se, except that just as with Ethan, you are guilty of the very accusations you make, do not feel you need to support your claims with anything that even resembles incontrovertible evidence, and dishonestly maintain your positions when stronger evidence is presented against you, than anything you attempt to provide. That's if you even make such an attempt to back up your own claims, because both of you almost never do. These are things I and others wouldn't have known about you if you hand't tried so hard to defend your friend Ethan, in the very same misleading ways he was defending his own actions and claims.

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who is attacking ted?

the graphs were id'd to be wrong by ethan. ted said they were wrong. period.

so I guess to show ethan how bad he has been , you are trying to one-up him by doing the broken-record spiel?

Give it up. Your accusations are not going to have any impact on Ethan's business..nor his reputation.

You both made intentional false personal attacks against a competitor, Ted, without any proof. That is unethical. And you have not commented on breaking the forum rules to do it. That kinda shows your real intent of this string.

Interesting how you continue to attack everyone, even breaking the forum rules to do so. And now we find out Ethan has been caught stealing from the public for years through falsified data, which is what you accuse Ted of doing.

It is not just lying NC, it is taking peoples money through deceptive data/graphs. That is called fraud, stealing, NC, a criminal offense. I am sure the public applauds such actions against themselves.

Our defense stands against such vicious personal attacks against any competitor.

You could have let this thread die as I suggested a page or so ago and saved embarrassment. But you appear intent on making yourself and Ethan look worse. You have only yourself to blame.

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one important fact that you seem to leave out.

i am not a manufacturer nor am I under employ of any audio manufacturer..

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