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holy sh!t

Excellent update, Michael!

I'm glad I didn't prematurely kill off this thread.

Geoff:

I already gave you credit for the Pittsburgh find...and that was an excellent article. Not sure what your last post was..I was just paying you a compliment earlier for the Pittsburgh find.

Cheers,

Ron

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A propensity for density

Sorry guys, it would appear that I'm light years ahead of you. I even have a product, the Particle Accelerator, that's an anti static negative ion gun. Kinda reminiscent of my AIAA paper, you know, the one you couldn't find, on bombarding metal crystals with high energy exotic ions, no? With respect to mu metal there is a whole universe out there waiting for you two guys to discover. The discussion with the two dudes from Pittsburgh only revealed the tip of the iceberg. There is much to learn, grasshoppers. I don't blame you for being obtuse and trying to gain the upper hand. I'm used to dealing with that, no biggie. Seriously. Lol

Pop Quiz: Why are positive static charges bad for the sound but negative static charges good for the sound?

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putting it altogether

Hi Ron

Yep, what I did was put the info posts together so we could take a look at it as a whole to see what we collectively might want to add or discuss. Because of all the interuptions and side tracks the message many times gets lost.

Yes, I just did a quick review. Thanks again for the compliment! I enjoy reading your explorations and hope there are many threads like this one in the future.

Whereas geoff kait says there's only one application to use, and that designers don't know what they are doing, I find that the industry takes many approaches to the topic that goes way beyond a discussion on Mu-metal as the only material, and only one way of using it. I don't want to discredit Mu-metal in any way, but it's a big world out there with many approaches to tuning.

for example

for the sake of context, here's the thread http://www.stereophile.com/content/funai-dp100-fx4

Allen Fant (always a gentlemen) asked me if I had worked on the Halo CD-1, to which I replied the following.

"Here's a Tunee using the ARC CD9 http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/t288-greetings-from-malaysia A great listener and fun to follow his journey.

The Halo CD-1 brings the industry to an interesting place. 3 "small" discrete power supplies. The mechanics is to isolate, as much as possible, the vibratory and transformer created fields from the DAC, something the designers have obviously discovered has an influence on the sound. Although I'm reluctant to say what I did to torture this unit, one can guess by following what I do period, there are some key designing advances on display here. Whether someone is going after a particular sound, which the Halo gives, or uses the vibratory system as a tool to make the sound variable, Parasound has built a true Audiophile CDP. One that brings "the field effect" into focus. The result is a DAC that is allowed to function as a DAC, with a set Vibratory code (as much as this can be done by the enclosed case) and minimal field build up.

What Parasound & partners has done is make a CDP that has one particular sound and said "we are going to guard that sound". I found that the unit did indeed respond to tuning, but the Halo kept it's signatured sound throughout all the listening. If you like the sound of this signature, you can be sure it will show up in every recording you listen to. One of the things I noticed, in my systems, was that this signature went a long way toward removing the digital fatique factor. Parasound has always been careful about preserving "their" sound and providing the plus of an usually high degree of getting along with other mixes of components, not always but more often than not.

All high end component companies take bumpy detours and then as quietly as they can work back toward their base. Some of these companies do this for the marketplace, and others do this for the sake of breaking ground. Parasound is a ground breaker and over the years has been one of my favorites to explore. Parasound is also a company that for the most part places a true value price-tag to their components, without the audiophile compusive factor. They design their products, figure out what they are worth for the common man, and present their pricing based on that value.

the sound

Keep in mind that I tune, and don't like to be stuck in one sound. It's fun for me to listen to that sound, I just want my freedom. The Parasound Halo CD-1 was one of those signatured sounds that held my interest through the recordings in a way that didn't give me that restless feeling of needing to go do something else, and that's saying a lot. I felt like I was at the concerts as a spectator and not the house engineer. Would I have made tuning changes? Sure and did. Did I feel the need to? Nope, I was pretty happy letting the Halo take me where it wanted."
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It's a vast frontier when we start to look into the "everything affects everything else" truth. I don't see audiophile designers going backward now, as much as I did 10 years ago (not everyone of course). The industry goes through phases collectively it seems, and in the area of shielding and space some companies look like their stuck in the mudd up to the axles, and other companies are taking organizing the products more serious.

This again is why I think it's important for me to be an on going empirical test lab of sorts. I uderstand that two guys from PA is a cool gig, but there are so many approaches materials and methods (both old and new) to explore, that I can't see anyone as able to stick to one and only one approach. This to me is extremely short sited and not my gig. The fundamental forces (interactions) are certainly at play and the more we explore the closer we get to an audio hobby that is informed, and variable.

Again Ron, thank you for this thread and be assured, as many that come to distract and disrupt, there is an army of those who love to explore.

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What a wicked web they weave

Nope never said what you accuse me of. I never said there is just one application for mu metal. In fact, if you had your listening ears on instead of running your mouth you would have seen that I just told Aron I have a product based on other applications. This is just another perfect example of Michael Green either mis-remembering what was said, misstating what was said or just plain old lying. Take your pick. For someone who says repeatedly, yeah, I've tried all those things, all the Machina Dynamica things, all the Peter Belt things, all the cork things and all the mu metal things, you sure have a mighty peculiar way of trying to cover your tracks, partner. The only "vast frontier" is the space between your ears, methinks, cowpoke. By the way,speaking if Parasound, I've known John Curl a mightily long time and was in two, count 'em, two CES shows with him, the last being when the JC-1s debuted. Of course after 2001 when Curl went with Parasound he was actually scaling back from CTC's (Curl, Thompson and Crump) true high end products, the Blowtorch preamp and the Bar B Q amplifier, on which the JC-1 is loosely based. Well, what do you want for nothing? Lol

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Hurricane Geoffy!

Mayhem and destruction wherever he goes!

Google search "Geoff Kait, Machina Dynamica".

Read for yourself!

The spite and malice you bring to yourself wherever you go about the internet has nothing to do with me.

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Mu-metal

Hi Geoff

We're more than happy to listen to your Mu-metal or other shielding experiences. We could even setup a referencing lab between you and the rest of us doing experiments in real time. This way we could have actual accounts instead of trying to guess what you or May might be saying. It's difficult when we quote you and you say that's not what you said, so even better we should just move past the talk and move into the listening lab work which is what I have been doing and inviting you and May both to contributed to.

If both you and May can do a real time setup with us we can move past all the misunderstandings I'm sure. It's very strange responding to two people about a topic we are "doing" when these two investing in the conversation are not actually doing it. Seems like this is an issue that keeps coming full circle, talking instead of practical application. You say others don't know what they're doing, we say they do, and you say you never said that. Well that's not very productive as compared to rolling up the sleeves and diving in.

I'm sure the OP would rather see talk & experience instead of these interuptions. So I have 12 components sitting here that can still be a part of the further discussion. We could have you and May setup a system and myself setup a system, do each others ideas and report on the findings on Ron's thread. This would be a great way for the readers to study and judge different points of view.

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What we have here is failure to communicate

Michael, you have a habit of misquoting me. If you can't follow the discussion properly what possible good is referencing, lab testing or whatever else you have in mind? Do you really think that doing something in real time as you say makes up for lack of real knowledge? I prefer to do things in Real Knowledge, not Real Time. Knowledge is power and without knowing what mu metal is, how it works, or what it's applications are you are sunk. Interruptions? Are you crazy. It's you and your little crack monkey Chris that's interrupting this thread. You are not interested in the truth, only in trying to get a leg up. You still think mu metal is a shield for EMF. That's what you just got through saying. Hel-loo!

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Mu-metal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu-metal

Sorry you misunderstood my meaning or perhaps use of abbreviations, geoff. EMF the other EMF, EMI...so on. What I am talking about is the different ways to tune products and parts to the "Earth's Field". Since your a wiki guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field

Knowledge? Well this is pretty much what everyone seems to be asking of you and May. Your working and living in the hypothetical, while claiming to have knowledge, which brings us back to credibility. If your not doing, and no schooling since the 70's, your proving that your not really in the know. Of course you could be self schooled, but in the areas we are talking about there is much experienced knowledge gained through the actual doing that, for myself anyway, is a must in the understanding. So when you tell me your "not doing" I know that there are things your not understanding. Basically geoff your saying do this with Mu-metal without any practical empirical expertise.

If you were indeed doing you would know why I bring up the points I do. Instead your chasing around the idea that maybe I'm not in the know as much as I say, and the obvious conclusion is referencing.

Sorry geoff, but I'm not someone who rubber stamps my knowledge and or my schooling. Now it truly doesn't appear that you know all that much about the topic of field tuning, which is my contribution to Ron's topic. I'm sure that others have their own experiences and expertise and they are invited to join in as Ron has asked, but I would think to come to this table, you should be willing to show or at least explain your experience. You can't just keep saying others don't know and you do, without some show to go with your tell, or it ends up like the two other subjects that come to mind. One being that your earphone portable setup you don't take serious and in the case of Schumann Resonance you never even done.

We would appreciate your point of view, but geoff it has to be more than you saying someone else doesn't know.

It would be good, as Ron has suggested, that we bring these topics to a higher standard. My view of this would be, yes talking but the higher calling would be the empirical evidence.

In other words, I don't want to waste my time or others talking to someone who is not able to "do" the hobby yet claims they are in the know. To me that's about as zero in music as one can get. Sorry that's my opinion and you can spend the rest of your life trying to prove that you have Real Knowledge without Really Doing all you want, or cut on me ChrisS or the hundreds of others you pride yourself in insulting, I don't think it brings you any closer to establishing any kind of credibility, certainly not with me and I really doubt too many others who encounter you in forums.

As far as misquoting, and all that crap, that's just yours and May's own personal internet trolling spins. If you or her don't want to be quoted, maybe you shouldn't talk so much is all I can think off. I don't think anyone really cares at this point.

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Whole lotta belly aching goin' on

I actually don't see anything particularly new here, Michael, the same old argumentative stance, trying to cover your tracks and shifting the blame. This is not my first rodeo, I have seen the Mutt and Jeff show before. I've also seen self righteous indignation before, dude. Although in all honesty you do self righteous indignation better than almost anybody. The Tuning Clan would probably be well served by a nice long time out.

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no time outs here LOL

Been working on my SAM wall in the downstairs Rm#3 system, waiting for the arrival of the folks coming in for 2 weeks of fun filled listening and pics and video. Going to be our own tuning party, Harold, Get Tuned! Girls, listeners and Lights Camera Action.

enjoy your rodeo Mr. Kait!

:-)

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Give me credit for the find? Huh?
rrstesiak wrote:

Excellent update, Michael!

I'm glad I didn't prematurely kill off this thread.

Geoff:

I already gave you credit for the Pittsburgh find...and that was an excellent article. Not sure what your last post was..I was just paying you a compliment earlier for the Pittsburgh find.

Cheers,

Ron

Not quite sure I understand exactly where you're coming from, but the whole point of my mentioning that discussion of mu metal and cork was to indicate that I had started the discussion and shield the two dudes from Pittsburgh the basic ideas for how to use both mu metal and cork. Besides it want an article it was a discussion that spanned many weeks even months or so it seemed. This discussion also involved the comparison of a fully treated Bib Dylan CD vs a stock untreated one. Also an interesting discussion. I guess it's true what they say about leading horses to water. Lol

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Translation, please
michael green wrote:

Been working on my SAM wall in the downstairs Rm#3 system, waiting for the arrival of the folks coming in for 2 weeks of fun filled listening and pics and video. Going to be our own tuning party, Harold, Get Tuned! Girls, listeners and Lights Camera Action.

enjoy your rodeo Mr. Kait!

:-)

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Can you please provide a Bablefish translation for your last post? One assumes it's some sort of weird TunnelLand scene. Like the idea of having Tuning Girls actually be the ones who have to get up every five minutes and turn all the screws and tighten the springs. What's next, cowboy - Son of SAM?

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