saw wolf blitzer giving him grief about the fact that he is making loads of money on this film that rails against the very system that has made him rich..(capitalism)

classic.

Is it just me, or does Michael Moore remind you alot of Larry Flynt?

No offense, Larry.

(I admit to liking Roger and Me, and Moore was way ahead of the curve on the motor companies, but Michael Moore is so much about Michael Moore, I doubt he cares which side he's on, just so long as it's good for Michael Moore.)

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He also needs to do something about his health.

But with Obamacare what does he have to worry about? Wont he getthe same quality of health care as the president and all the congressperson?

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But with Obamacare what does he have to worry about? Wont he getthe same quality of health care as the president and all the congressperson?

Uh, no.

As far as I know his opus has tanked at the theaters..I figure folk have figured out that he simply makes it up

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As far as I know his opus has tanked at the theaters..I figure folk have figured out that he simply makes it up

Hey, great observation!

We should follow the box office and see which movie people are better able to see through. This one, or a more clear minded documentary, like "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed."

Since we don't have the box office for the weekend, we can watch and see which movie audiences endorse.

"Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed" grossed 7.7 million total at the box office. 2.9 million in its first weekend.

That movie was from 2008, so the dollar numbers should be comparable.

Let's see how "Capitalism..." compares!

The fringe left will see it because they like the message but normal folk looking for either entertainment or education will skip it because it simply does not reflect reality (assuming it follows the same 'make it up as he goes along' manner of his previous films. You have noted each effort makes less money. The public gets it)

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As far as I know his opus has tanked at the theaters..I figure folk have figured out that he simply makes it up

Hey, great observation!

We should follow the box office and see which movie people are better able to see through. This one, or a more clear minded documentary, like "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed."

Since we don't have the box office for the weekend, we can watch and see which movie audiences endorse.

"Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed" grossed 7.7 million total at the box office. 2.9 million in its first weekend.

That movie was from 2008, so the dollar numbers should be comparable.

Let's see how "Capitalism..." compares!

Sicko gross 24.7 million and has an IMDb rating of 8.3.
Does that make it the documentary of the greatest integrity of all time? I guess I'm just not seeing a connection between box office and the film maker's integrity

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As far as I know his opus has tanked at the theaters..I figure folk have figured out that he simply makes it up

Hey, great observation!

We should follow the box office and see which movie people are better able to see through. This one, or a more clear minded documentary, like "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed."

Since we don't have the box office for the weekend, we can watch and see which movie audiences endorse.

"Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed" grossed 7.7 million total at the box office. 2.9 million in its first weekend.

That movie was from 2008, so the dollar numbers should be comparable.

Let's see how "Capitalism..." compares!

Sicko gross 24.7 million and has an IMDb rating of 8.3.
Does that make it the documentary of the greatest integrity of all time? I guess I'm just not seeing a connection between box office and the film maker's integrity

JIMV saw the correlation: "As far as I know his opus has tanked at the theaters..I figure folk have figured out that he simply makes it up."

I thought we'd be able to use his observation to see which movie people have 'figured out.'

So, three times as many people wanted to see Sicko as did Expelled.

I wonder if this proves for JIMV that people have figured out that the Expelled people just made it up as they went along.

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So upset that he is publicly threatening to support any Republican to run against any Democrat that didn't vote his way. This is the typical action of a left wing zealot. They eat their own.

So, unthinking adherence to party line is "action of a left wing zealot"?

I think you are nuts, frankly, just plain nuts. Sticking to one's princples is NOT "action of a left-wing zealot".

Having said that, Michael Moore is a twirp of major proportions, pun intended.

So you are saying that a crap movie in 2008 should be compared with a crap movie in 2009..OK..But neither is making any real money as far as I know.

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So you are saying that a crap movie in 2008 should be compared with a crap movie in 2009..OK..But neither is making any real money as far as I know.

"Expelled..." is crap?

We agree.

I used it as a more right wing zealot type movie to contrast your take on Moore's left wing zealot attendence statement.

Using market or sales data has always been a double edged sword, for sure!

Your take was that Capitalism has 'tanked' at the box office, and used that as a sign that the world had 'figured out' Moore - OK, but then why wouldn't a fine, wholesome, intellectauly stimulating movie like "Expelled..." knock the crap out of "Capitalism?"

Calling both crap, however, is fine.

If you look here you can get an idea of how Moore's crap stands up in the documentary viewing world.

Interestingly, each film has not, in fact, done less well than its predecessor...

Roger and Me: 6.7 million.

Farenheit 9/11: 119 million. Wow, that alot of support by left wing zealots!

Bowling For Columbine: 21.6 million

Sicko (his most recent before now): 24.5 million

Looking at something to compare left wing or right wing zealot attendence, Religulous made about double what Expelled did.

Do right wing zealots even go to the movies? Maybe that's part of the success of AM talk radio!

The Moore fiction made 1.5 million...#7

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2009-10-02&p=.htm

A flop

I thought Bowling for Columbine was a good movie. After that it has been propoganda. I say this as a person who is considered by others to be very liberal.

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Do right wing zealots even go to the movies?

No, they just channel old recordings of Karl McIntyre.

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I thought Bowling for Columbine was a good movie. After that it has been propoganda. I say this as a person who is considered by others to be very liberal.

Is a movie a 'documentary' when you make up your facts and figures, as Moore did in that movie? It was fiction, entertaining to folk who had already consumed the gun control Koolaid but laughed at to folk who knew better.

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I thought Bowling for Columbine was a good movie. After that it has been propoganda. I say this as a person who is considered by others to be very liberal.

Is a movie a 'documentary' when you make up your facts and figures, as Moore did in that movie? It was fiction, entertaining to folk who had already consumed the gun control Koolaid but laughed at to folk who knew better.

One person's fact is another person's fiction. Apparently we saw two different movies. The one I saw did not take any position on gun control. Quite to the contrary, the documentary I saw pointed out that there is no corolation between gun ownership and violence. Do you understand why it was even called Bowling for Columbine?

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The Moore fiction made 1.5 million...#7

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2009-10-02&p=.htm

A flop

Reuter's says 4.9 million.

Reuters data.

I think you included only the Friday results, mon ami.

Another box office data review...

"Michael Moore's purposefully controversial and politically polarizing documentary Capitalism: A Love Story was distributed by Overture Films and wound up in 7th place. The pic about the financial crisis made $1.6M Friday and $2M Saturday (+33%) for a $5M weekend and $5.4M cume. Just for comparison purposes: Moore's most recent Sicko did $4.4 mil its opening weekend.

Moore is still a prick, but why lie about his box office?

(I'd be fine if he grossed zero, but won't make stuff up as though there is some theologic point to support.)

http://www.mooreexposed.com/bfc.html

Someone on another forum noted that Zombiland made 7 times as much as Moore's faux documentary. He goes on to note that no one going to see Zombiland believes in Zombies but about everyone who went to see the Moore effort DOES believe in Socialism...and I might say, the free lunch.

Many Americans, like the one above, continually confuse socialism with 'fascistic communism'. Or, as it is properly known, 'National Socialism'. Mussolini called it 'corporatism', which says just about all it needs to say. Think Pinochet and the CIA.

Socialized medicine ~WITHOUT~ CORPORATE INFLUENCE or FUNDING, works beautifully. As it does in many countries, like Canada.

Your corporate controlled media and corporate controlled medical system work ~very~ hard to maintain that confusion in you.

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The Moore fiction made 1.5 million...#7

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2009-10-02&p=.htm

A flop

Reuter's says 4.9 million.

Reuters data.

I think you included only the Friday results, mon ami.

Another box office data review...

"Michael Moore's purposefully controversial and politically polarizing documentary Capitalism: A Love Story was distributed by Overture Films and wound up in 7th place. The pic about the financial crisis made $1.6M Friday and $2M Saturday (+33%) for a $5M weekend and $5.4M cume. Just for comparison purposes: Moore's most recent Sicko did $4.4 mil its opening weekend.

Moore is still a prick, but why lie about his box office?

(I'd be fine if he grossed zero, but won't make stuff up as though there is some theologic point to support.)

The link clearly notes it was one day results...It was what was available at the time. 5 million is also chump change for a weekend.

Zombieland did 5 times as well...

This is interesting...

""Capitalism" played in almost twice as many theaters as "Whip It," which had been expected to open in the high-single-digit millions ahead of the Gervais comedy."

Both films made the same money.

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Socialized medicine ~WITHOUT~ CORPORATE INFLUENCE or FUNDING, works beautifully. As it does in many countries, like Canada.

You have to be joking...

Now Zombieland I can get behind.

Hey, JIMV, ya gonna accept Medicare?

It's socialized medicine, ya know.

Gonna walk the walk?

It is an earned benefit. I have problem with earned benefits, regardless of their source. Where I do have problems is when folk get something for nothing or steal from one group to provide for another in exchange for political power.

There is no free lunch. Someone always pays.

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It is an earned benefit. I have problem with earned benefits, regardless of their source. Where I do have problems is when folk get something for nothing or steal from one group to provide for another in exchange for political power.

There is no free lunch. Someone always pays.

You earned it?

How, by turning 65?

BS, it's an entitlement - did you suddenly earn Medicare Part D when Shrub invented it?

Earned it, my ass.

You liberals with your "I deserve this entitlement." Humbug, get a job.

Medicare started collecting money for benefits in 1965, before I was in the work force...I paid in for 37 years. The benefit was earned. It was not my doing that Congress added benefits mostly at the demand of the left that increased that benefit past the point it is sustainable in order to buy votes and keep power.

That is what the left forgets...there s no free lunch, someone always pays. The left assumes it will always be someone else. The right knows better. Now the bills are coming due and what does the left do...they propose an even more massive program, that 'someone else' (the evil rich, insurance companies, evil corporations, anyone but the rapacious left) will pay for.

That is why the numbers are as they are...the folk expected to pay are not willing to step up for their fleecing simply to keep democrats in office.

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Medicare started collecting money for benefits in 1965, before I was in the work force...I paid in for 37 years. The benefit was earned. It was not my doing that Congress added benefits mostly at the demand of the left that increased that benefit past the point it is sustainable in order to buy votes and keep power.

That is what the left forgets...there s no free lunch, someone always pays. The left assumes it will always be someone else. The right knows better. Now the bills are coming due and what does the left do...they propose an even more massive program, that 'someone else' (the evil rich, insurance companies, evil corporations, anyone but the rapacious left) will pay for.

That is why the numbers are as they are...the folk expected to pay are not willing to step up for their fleecing simply to keep democrats in office.

Bush invented Medicare part D as part of his liberal agenda. He was courting the old white vote, which skews right. It's you angry old entitled white men Bush was sucking up to, you liberal parasite!

We gotta wean you off Rush and Fox.

Fox news is the Michael Moore of the right.

Yeah, keep thinking you earned the cost of your entitlements - then keep whining about how the liberals keep giving stuff away as you suck at the country's teat.

The issue has nothing to do with Bush, or anyone else but obama...He is president and he is goosing the deficit in a way not seen since WWII. If the world dumps the dollar, expect to become a lot poorer very fast.

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The issue has nothing to do with Bush, or anyone else but obama...He is president and he is goosing the deficit in a way not seen since WWII. If the world dumps the dollar, expect to become a lot poorer very fast.

Well, except that Bush got us where we are, and now we're supposed to blame Obama for that.

Classic "win at all costs" right-winger fascist rhetoric.

Sorry, but that is like blaming the pebble for the avalanche. Obama could have picked up that pebble, instead he added a few boulders...

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If the world dumps the dollar, expect to become a lot poorer very fast.

All part of the long term plan, independent of administration - run up the debt, then inflate the dollar and pay the debt with devalued dollars. paying future debt at a discount, so to speak!

JIMV, if you can't see Shrub's oily prints all over his part of this, you have zero credibility.

You are in Shrub denial. It's like Stockholm Syndrome for teabaggers.

What did Shrub leave the Dow at?

Shrub simply vandalized the country, and left an army of angry white retardates to protest America's decline beginning last August!

No worries, the EMP will wipe out the world's fiscal data, anyway. Keep stocking up on ammo.

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If the world dumps the dollar, expect to become a lot poorer very fast.

All part of the long term plan, independent of administration - run up the debt, then inflate the dollar and pay the debt with devalued dollars. paying future debt at a discount, so to speak!

JIMV, if you can't see Shrub's oily prints all over his part of this, you have zero credibility.

It always amazes me how the left both considers Bush an evil genius capable of all sorts of devious machinations, and as an idiot, depending on the fantasy you try to support.

You are right about monetizing the debt but wrong in applying the actual actions to Bush. He just spend a lot of money we do not have. Obama doubled down on that with a vengeance and initiated the monetization of the debt...Obama not Bush.

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You are in Shrub denial.

You are in bogeyman creation...a scary straw man while not looking at the fellow who is really today doing all you pretend to fear..

Many people suffer from Cognitive dissonance, where they cannot seem to believe a thing that is real and literally -obvious- specifically and even if is right in front of their eyes. Push it away, hide, don't look, maybe it will go away. 'Monster under the bed-pull covers up' syndrome. Same-same.

Question: Who financed the Nazis? Look it up.

I'll give you a clue: The leading member of the Warren commission who was a long time industrialist/elitist, and worked for the government through the corporate/government revolving door--was in Hitler's box for the 1936 Olympics.

Stop running around the room barking at unseen forces. Unmask them and understand the connections and implications.

Still sounds like a cross between the Kennedy assassination and alien abductions....