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"Only one thing I noticed, is that your trim needs a bit of a paint touch up..."

Thanks. And the car needs a wash also !!

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"When you guys paint your house, do you take your research into consideration?? this is not meant to be snarky.. A serious question"

Therefore a serious answer !!

Whilst yes, we do take our research into consideration when carrying out general house etc improvements - it is more important to us to find universal improving techniques, which can be applied afterwards !!

Meaning. Some technique we may find works well when applied to such as general painting jobs etc, UNIVERSALLY thousands and thousands of people will ALREADY have had their house improvements completed or they have moved into property where everything has already been done or applied. So, it is far more important for us to find techniques which will work AFTER things have been completed and that is what we concentrate on.

Exactly the same applies to such as audio equipment. People will usually already have acquired their audio equipment, so us discovering techniques to 'treat' all the components inside our OWN numerous items of audio equipment can be quite useless for people who are not able or willing to go inside THEIR equipment !!!!!

So, our techniques and devices are designed for people, anywhere in the world, with whatever equipment, in whatever type of room to be able to 'treat' that EXISTING environment and their existing equipment.

Our whole house and environment is our 'test bench', inside and outside, upstairs and downstairs !!!!
In fact, when our children were younger and in our other family home, when the children came home from school and they knew Peter was carrying out listening experiments, they KNEW to tell him if they were going to 'do any washing', 'do any cooking', 'switch on the TV', 'switch on the heating', 'switch on the immersion heater during the summer', etc. Etc. They KNEW not to make any changes, in the environment, without telling him first !!

So, YES, everything is taken into consideration !!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

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"...universal improving techniques..."

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"...universal improving techniques..."

Here we go again with a knee jerk reaction from you - taking something out of the context in which it was meant !!!!!

It was meant as 'techniques which are not specific ONLY to certain things or ONLY to certain areas' !!

Some examples.
1) If we have (say) a Panasonic TV and discover a liquid to apply to the glass screen of that TV which gives an improvement in the sound, that technique is not ONLY specifically for the glass screens of PANASONIC TVs !!!! A glass screen of a TV is a glass screen of a TV is a glass screen of a TV - i.e not specific solely to Panasonic TVs !!!! The technique would be applicable to glass screens anywhere - therefore my use of the word "universal" !!!!

Now, how any one particular person would respond to such a technique, would HEAR any improvement in the sound, is with that particular person. I do not claim that our techniques WILL be equally and universally HEARD by ever single person !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2) If we discover a technique to apply to a steel central heating radiator which gives an improvement in the sound, then that technique is not specific to ONLY that one steel central heating radiator. Steel central heating radiators are steel central heating radiators are steel central heating radiators !!!

Again, Buddha, I repeat my sentence (which you are fully aware of) "How any one particular person would respond to such a technique, would HEAR any improvement in the sound, is with that particular person. I do not claim that our techniques WILL be equally and universally effective HEARD by ever single person" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, let me repeat my other sentence again, Buddha !!
>>> "Whilst yes, we do take our research into consideration when carrying out general house etc improvements - it is more important to us to find universal improving techniques, which can be applied afterwards !!" <<<

If we DID have an additive which we can add to tins of paint etc, that technique would not ONLY apply to (say) the brand name "Dulux" paint, it would apply to other brands of paint. But, that would still be too narrow an outlook - when most houses have already been painted !!! Much better to try to use the same idea (technique) to universally apply to paint already previously applied !!!!!!!!!!!!! That word "universal" again, Buddha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Although you, Buddha, appear to have problems with what I say, and how I say things, I am sure that Teddy Ray (who I was actually replying to) understood quite well what I was referring to !!!! !!!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

Hmmmm, so how does one arrive at a "universal" conclusion?

"Universally effective," but not "HEARD" by every single person.

My apologies - I had left in the word "effective" before the word HEARD !!

My sentence should say :-
"I do not claim that our techniques WILL be equally and universally HEARD by ever single person !!!!!!!!!!!!!!" - which, in fact, it DID say that earlier in my reply !!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

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My apologies - I had left in the word "effective" before the word HEARD !!

My sentence should say :-
"I do not claim that our techniques WILL be equally and universally HEARD by ever single person !!!!!!!!!!!!!!" - which, in fact, it DID say that earlier in my reply !!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

Much better.

Big difference!

Hair splitter!

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Hair splitter!

No way, man.

If you think getting someone like May to alter a claim of "universal effectiveness" is splitting hairs, you are a dupe.

I say that in all good cheer.

As the famous audiophile, John Philpot Curran (in his 1790 Speech Upon the Rights of Hi Fi Entusiats) said:
"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their hobby become prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given sonic liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."

In other words, "Eternal vigilance is the price of sonic liberty."

I'm an audio patriot.

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"If you think getting someone like May to alter a claim of "universal effectiveness" is splitting hairs, you are a dupe."

Come off it, Buddha - you know you are splitting hairs !!!! As will be obvious the next time you 'pick out one word and 'run with it' from something I write !!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

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"If you think getting someone like May to alter a claim of "universal effectiveness" is splitting hairs, you are a dupe."

Come off it, Buddha - you know you are splitting hairs !!!! As will be obvious the next time you 'pick out one word and 'run with it' from something I write !!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

That's your sales gene vibrating, May.

If you can't figure out the difference between your two versions of the sentence, I'll put you down as unable to turn off the bullshit salesmanship.

For Keld, I was pointing out how we need to be alert to your type of crap. If David_L were to claim "tweaks are universally crap," would you notice the inappropriate use of "universal" in that sentence?

"Univerally effective" is quite a claim...and then to claim I am parsing because I point it out....really, May. Have you no shame?

Don't get upset, it was meant as a joke. I thought you were the master of jokes

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Don't get upset, it was meant as a joke. I thought you were the master of jokes

When it comes to May, you can't be too careful!

You, on the other hand, are a universally nice guy.

Thank you! May (!) I quote you on that?

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"For Keld, I was pointing out how we need to be alert to your type of crap."

That is completely uncalled for, Buddha !!!!!!!

My reply to Teddy Ray was friendly and to the point and, I am sure, did not need such a knee jerk reaction as we have just witnessed !!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

I merely quoted your ludicrous statement, "Universal improving techniques."

You then started with the opining "here we go again" and "knee jerk reaction" stuff.

I would posit that your likely intentional "mis-statement" was the original 'jerking knee' in the 'here we go again' cycle.

You got caught bullshitting, so I quoted it and you fixed it, with faux outrage after being found out, yet again.

You may continue to inflate the issue all you like...

While we are here, there was some intersting stuff that showed up about the poisons in your printed receipt tweaks! So, keep in mind, I do give your style of balderdash some credibility regarding your claims that these things affect people.

Belt Tweak with actual effects on the listener.

Cheers.

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"For Keld, I was pointing out how we need to be alert to your type of crap."

That is completely uncalled for, Buddha !!!!!!!

My reply to Teddy Ray was friendly and to the point and, I am sure, did not need such a knee jerk reaction as we have just witnessed !!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

Look on the bright side, May. He may be a troll, but he's our troll.

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"For Keld, I was pointing out how we need to be alert to your type of crap."

That is completely uncalled for, Buddha !!!!!!!

My reply to Teddy Ray was friendly and to the point and, I am sure, did not need such a knee jerk reaction as we have just witnessed !!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

Look on the bright side, May. He may be a troll, but he's our troll.

As I said, the price of sonic liberty is eternal vigilance.

I am opposed to the oppression of audiophiles by any one theology. Be it Ethan's or yours and May's.

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"For Keld, I was pointing out how we need to be alert to your type of crap."

That is completely uncalled for, Buddha !!!!!!!

My reply to Teddy Ray was friendly and to the point and, I am sure, did not need such a knee jerk reaction as we have just witnessed !!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

No need to point out anything for me. I make my own decisions.

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"For Keld, I was pointing out how we need to be alert to your type of crap."

That is completely uncalled for, Buddha !!!!!!!

My reply to Teddy Ray was friendly and to the point and, I am sure, did not need such a knee jerk reaction as we have just witnessed !!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

Look on the bright side, May. He may be a troll, but he's our troll.

As I said, the price of sonic liberty is eternal vigilance.

I am opposed to the oppression of audiophiles by any one theology. Be it Ethan's or yours and May's.

Uh, isn't liberty incompatible with close-mindedness? And such a smug, mean-spirited close-mindnedness, if you don't mind my saying so too much.

Free your mind and your ass will follow. - old audiophile expression

geoffie smug and closed minded is your realm: ,"univerally effective," etc...are your bailiwick.

The rest of us are try-and-see, May is an auto-pedant who insists on "universal" rules for her tripe.

The sales gene can be very powerful, young padowan, resist the dark side you must.

I give you more credit than May, she is a troll who lives exclusively under the bridge of Sheldrake-worship based tweaks. No music, no gear, no talk of anything but her own shop - either a monomaniacal focus on making mo' money, or completely nacrissistic like that faux "reviewer" who darkens our doorway every once in a while.

You can sometimes talk audio...that's a start; but if you'd only get a Hi Fi, I sense you could really break on through.

Come to CES and we'll let you audition the Supersymmetric Supersting Tweak (SST) and hear the astounding effect of the laser light tweak, then you'll be able to see what it's really all about.

Time for you to actually enter this great hobby!

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geoffie smug and closed minded is your realm: ,"univerally effective," etc...are your bailiwick.

The rest of us are try-and-see, May is an auto-pedant who insists on "universal" rules for her tripe.

The sales gene can be very powerful, young padowan, resist the dark side you must.

I give you more credit than May, she is a troll who lives exclusively under the bridge of Sheldrake-worship based tweaks. No music, no gear, no talk of anything but her own shop - either a monomaniacal focus on making mo' money, or completely nacrissistic like that faux "reviewer" who darkens our doorway every once in a while.

You can sometimes talk audio...that's a start; but if you'd only get a Hi Fi, I sense you could really break on through.

Come to CES and we'll let you audition the Supersymmetric Supersting Tweak (SST) and hear the astounding effect of the laser light tweak, then you'll be able to see what it's really all about.

Time for you to actually enter this great hobby!

Just more snarkiness, puffery and lies. Have you no shame?

Hmmm, point out the lie and I'll try to correct it.

Did you go buy a clock radio or something and now you have a system?

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Hmmm, point out the lie and I'll try to correct it.

Did you go buy a clock radio or something and now you have a system?

Your failure to recognize when you are lying and your continued snarkiness are noted. You probably do actually think of yourself as an audiophile. Pity.

"You can't kill kill." Charles Manson

Oh, geoffie, now you're just channeling the psych patient you quote.

Go get a Hi Fi and then come back and join us.

Maybe you could take the bus to the car club and tell people with cars how they should drive! You could troll multiple hobbies!

I once collected beer labels. No one has ever tried to teach me about beer since that.

Did you meet any beer tweakers who told you what beer was best but never actually had any beer?

That would likely have been a salesguy for "Brewski Dynamica."

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"Look on the bright side, May. He may be a troll, but he's our troll."

I don't think I want a personal troll, Geoff. What is the definition of 'troll' ? A 'stalker'., a 'self styled vigilante' ?? If so, then I don't want one of those, personal or otherwise !!! So, I don't think I will look on the bright side !!

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

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Did you meet any beer tweakers who told you what beer was best but never actually had any beer?

That would likely have been a salesguy for "Brewski Dynamica."

Not even once.

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Uh, isn't liberty incompatible with close-mindedness?

Geoff, you're welcome to believe any sort of odd stuff you want. That's not the issue. When, on the other hand, you try to convince others, well, expect to have the cubic light years worth of nonsense pointed out.

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I once collected beer labels. No one has ever tried to teach me about beer since that.

Ever try Kitzmann Hefeweizen?

So, Geoff, what do you have/use for stereo equipment? What kind of dedicated listening space do you have? How many clocks, how many pebbles, how many chips, where, when, why, etc?

You could surely tell us that. I mean John Atkinson has even reported on one of my listening rooms, and we all know what you think of me, so surely you must have something extraordinarly better.

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I once collected beer labels. No one has ever tried to teach me about beer since that.

Ever try Kitzmann Hefeweizen?

Weizenbier is for ladies if you ask me. Can't stand them. I prefer dark beer

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Weizenbier is for ladies if you ask me.

Says the guy who collected "Boy Beer!"

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So, Geoff, what do you have/use for stereo equipment? What kind of dedicated listening space do you have? How many clocks, how many pebbles, how many chips, where, when, why, etc?

You could surely tell us that. [/quote}

You're right, I could tell you. But I'm not going to. Everything is, you know, off limits.

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I mean John Atkinson has even reported on one of my listening rooms, and we all know what you think of me, so surely you must have something extraordinarly better.

Huh?! What a very odd thing to say. I haven't given it much thought, but let me ask, what do you think I think of you?

Ah, more lies and puffery from geoffie!

J_J, geoofie has no gear...he's an audio griefer, exclusively.

He simply imagines owning gear and if he did, how aquarium pebbles would certainly make it sound better.

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Uh, isn't liberty incompatible with close-mindedness?

Geoff, you're welcome to believe any sort of odd stuff you want. That's not the issue. When, on the other hand, you try to convince others, well, expect to have the cubic light years worth of nonsense pointed out.

So, got anything besides personal attacks today? I don't even know what you're talking about, frankly. What ARE you going on about?

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Uh, isn't liberty incompatible with close-mindedness?

Geoff, you're welcome to believe any sort of odd stuff you want. That's not the issue. When, on the other hand, you try to convince others, well, expect to have the cubic light years worth of nonsense pointed out.

So, got anything besides personal attacks today? I don't even know what you're talking about, frankly. What ARE you going on about?

Run along, geoffie, this is a site for those interested in Hi Fi.

Maybe May can mail you some of the poison ink tweak to play with.

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Huh?! What a very odd thing to say. I haven't given it much thought, but let me ask, what do you think I think of you?

So, you won't submit your equipment for critical examination like I have?

Figures.

As far as what you think of me, well, your contempt and hatred shows through your words, but what else, I frankly don't care. Actions speak louder than words, and your actions speak for themselves.

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J_J, geoofie has no gear...he's an audio griefer, exclusively.

Hm, how did he test his "clever little clock" then? He had to have some reason to assert the effects he claims for it.

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J_J, geoofie has no gear...he's an audio griefer, exclusively.

Hm, how did he test his "clever little clock" then? He had to have some reason to assert the effects he claims for it.

Geoffie has been found out.

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So, you won't submit your equipment for critical examination like I have?

What do you think would be the point? Do you seriously think that you can draw any conclusions about the sound of a listening room by a listing of the components and tweaks? While I may think that idea quaint and naive, I can certainly appreciate that you and Buddha probably do believe such a thing.

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As far as what you think of me, well, your contempt and hatred shows through your words, but what else, I frankly don't care. Actions speak louder than words, and your actions speak for themselves.

Good grief! If you don't care why bring it up? As I said, I don't think too much about it one way or t'other. I don't know you well enough to have any feelings one way or the other, I mean, certainly nothing as strong as hate, other than through your incessant trolling and pseudo-skepticism.

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So, you won't submit your equipment for critical examination like I have?

What do you think would be the point? Do you seriously think that you can draw any conclusions about the sound of a listening room by a listing of the components and tweaks? While I may think that idea quaint and naive, I can certainly appreciate that you and Buddha probably do believe such a thing.

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As far as what you think of me, well, your contempt and hatred shows through your words, but what else, I frankly don't care. Actions speak louder than words, and your actions speak for themselves.

Good grief! If you don't care why bring it up? As I said, I don't think too much about it one way or t'other. I don't know you well enough to have any feelings one way or the other, I mean, certainly nothing as strong as hate, other than through your incessant trolling and pseudo-skepticism.

J_J, geoffie has no gear, so you should quit embarrassing him with such questions.

Bubbha, all this trolling, you should be working up quite a thirst, like a rat on a hot tin roof. My condolences to your wretched liver, as always. Tip: try to think of something new and clever to say next time, you know, as opposed to your last 10 posts. Or is it 20?

Ta, ta

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Ta, ta.

If only.

Let us know when you get that Hi Fi.

Boy beer was a pilsener style beer for sale in Africa and the Carribeans. Thus the name. Absolutely no trace of weizen here.