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One less POS.
i agree
As a govt revenuer I've been noticing a lot of weirdos lately. They got a bug up their asses. Two things are certain; death and taxes. This idiot left himself vaporized and his family in tax debt. The IRS doesn't quit just because somebody commits suicide and/or burns their house down.
Time to audit the survivors!
My brother in-law has a signed letter from Revenue Canada (Canadian IRS equivalent) head office that states he can never be audited, ever again. He was 'randomly audited' five years in a row. His accountant was so upset when he found this out that he went after Revenue Canada, and Revenue Canada had to create and sign the notice, otherwise they were going to get their asses sued off, and loose specific components of their auditing capacities and processes in the same moment.
Rather than face that, and the public, they signed off on never harassing him while he is alive and filing taxes in Canada. As you might imagine, there is an interesting story hiding in there that will not be repeated.
I was waiting for KBK to get here...but I am let down!
What, you believe in the lone disgruntled pilot theory?
This is all a whitewash.
Clearly something larger is in play.
We need the Planefax on that aircraft.
Well, I'm signing myself off on this forum. So I'll see you guys next time around. It's been fun!
Revenue Canada called you already?
But Wait...There's More! What about the Tesla Motors employees who were killed in a plane crash in Palo Alto yesterday???
And right before a public offering of their stock!!!??
Who would gain by hurting an all-electric car company?? I'm almost afraid to ask.
Oh, no.
They got to KBK.
Time to connect the dots, people.
Man, you've been on a good roll lately....
I'm sorry to say, but I fully expected the first major act of terrorism for this year to be domestic in origin. I say THANK YOU to Glen Beck and all the other self-proclaimed revolutionaries for helping make this happen. When you have guys like that and all the other tea-partiers saying it's time for succession, time to take up arms, time for a new revolution: what do you think is going to happen?
I was too young to remember but in the late 60s/early 70s we had a whole rash of left-wing domestic and international terrorist groups floating around. Again- you have leaders and mobs crying for violent revolution and you WILL get people taking it upon themselves to try it out.
I saw posters on CNN.com pretty much saying they thought the guy was right to do it, and that everything he said in his screed was the truth. So this is where we're heading? Civil war? Anyone in the big bad gov. is fair game as part of the system? This is right in there with Tim McVie saying blowing up the fed building was like killing storm troopers on the Death Star in Star Wars- collateral damage. The next time this happens we might not be so lucky to have the death toll at two. It could have been a couple of hundred- or more.
Yeah, and now we have Christian Mullahs like Robertson, etc, calling for the CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTION, trying to turn us into a third world country like the Mullahs turned the Moorish civilization (responsible for Algebra, had something like calculus, etc) into what we have today.
I think it's a case of "misery craves company". These haters are miserable, and want everyone to be like them.
In case it's not clear, that goes for the radical left whackos, ALF, PETA, and the antiNuke bunches, too. As to Greepniece, what do they expect to happen when they effectively commence piracy against fishing vessels? (Piracy has a commercial aspect in taking of value. What else are they doing?)
Well, we know if Greenpeace gets frisky France will take them out..
Last I heard it was Greepneace being done in by a Japanese ship? Wasn't it?
The pilot was obviously listening to too much talk radio.
He kinda reminds me of JIMV
Hiow's this for some rational debate? This was posted on CNN.com and it's not the only one like it:
Incredible how diluted Joe Stack's message has become by the ranting of the extreme right and left. He had enough and took the wrong action because he was not heard nor did he feel the government was treating him with equality, which he was correct in both cases. This is not much different than the founders of this country when their voice was not heard and wanted the same rights as the brothers in England. The founders of this country were rebels and traitors in the eyes of English and yes, you can consider them terrorist by today's standards. There exists a double standard in those in power, government, health care and large corporations to those who contribute the most, private citizens. The banner holder of freedom in the first amendment, the press, has been and will continue to be a non-entity bent only on sensationalism, profits, and print government ideology without verification.. Sadly, nothing is not going to change until the streets are full of Joe Stack
We're in real trouble when we have people starting to think it OK to live like you're in a cartoon world...
Yes, but the French CIA took out a "strike boat" that was protesting nukes and killed a couple of GP'ers several years ago. That was also for Grosse Fatigue, who has quit the forums.
Are you kidding me? Christ, don't remember the same shit people were spouting about Bush and the government? This fucker was a tax evader for over 25 years. Don't blame this on freedom of expression. It is a two way street.
Hey like I said- we had the violent Lefties back in the 60's--- but with Bush? No man- I never heard jack about bombing buildings, taking up arms (Dems down own many guns dude) or taking on the gov. by force. Plus- even if there was anyone saying it, we only had someone actually DO IT until now. There weren't national television stations sponsoring this bile night after night for millions of viewers who frankly should be on that list of voters who need that competency test recently mentioned before they step into a booth.
Just keep telling yourself words don't matter. Just because you CAN say it (like you can say "kill all the Jews, Queers and Blacks or Bankers, Feds, Capitalist Pigs, or Commie Pigs") doesn't mean you SHOULD. If your words help bring about death and destruction, even if you claim it was unintended, you can't hide behind free speech and say you didn't mean for it turn out that way.
With Freedom comes responsibility, no?
You continually incite stupid folks to riot and kill in the name of being patriotic and sooner or later you'll get them to take you up on it.
Like I mentioned before one may believe anything they want but to act on some beliefs one may be punished. That is, the government may do the punishing. Responsibility is not a constitutional right. It is a choice. This loser had the freedom to believe he didn't owe income tax. What he did was not pay what he owed. This is not where responsibility comes with freedom. This guy is responsible for what happened. Not people you don't like. I don't like Beck either. I think he is a nut. But it never occurred to me to blame him for some other idiot.
You appear to be arguing that when Bush was president there were no acts of domestic terrorism? That wasn't my argument but that would be a good thing, right? Bush never told anybody to shut up. Quite frankly, you sound like an intellectual fascist wanting to shut people up. Unless you can prove Beck is accomplishing the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater than you got no case other than a biased opinion based on hate. You don't like Beck. You blame him for something another person did. That is called displacement.
Lets take baby steps beginning with searching little old ladies at the airport.
So, the person who incites or advocates is completely innocent?
Mind you, the guy who flew the plane is absolutely responsible. What about the people who put the idea in his head to act out somehow or other?
Who put the idea in his head? Other tax protesters. Go after them. You know, the tea baggers. You quoted me out of context again you mindless clitoris. Unless you can prove somebody said something equivalent to yelling fire in a theater that caused this guy to fly a plane into an office building you got no case against people like Beck or even the tea baggers. Fuck, do I have to show how to argue like a real liberal?
Are you implying that The Beatles had something to do with the Tate/LaBianca killings?
Did J.D. Sallinger incite "He Whose Name Shall Not be Acknowledged" to kill John Lennon?
Oh, then you've probably heard of this guy. I used to work at an aerospace company, and he was the technician for a project I was working on at the time. So I go to talk to one of the other guys I was working with on the project because our tech had gone missing.
"Where's Dean?", I asked.
"He was arrested for bombing IRS offices", the guy says.
I started laughing, thinking the guy was cracking a joke (Dean was sort of a smartass and neither of us liked him). But the guy was dead serious as I found out.
So wait a minute guys. So somehow when it's ANYTHING OTHER than a call to arms, vilifying the government, or calling for a new revolotion it's free speech and vitally important-----Because WORDS MATTER. But when you have politicians, TV hosts and radio talk shows that continually use words like "needing a new revolution", that "our founding fathers took up arms for far less", and that the FED, the IRS and the federal government in general are fascist, socialist entities taking away your freedom and "it's time to do something about it"---THOSE words don't matter? What?
You yell fire a movie theater and cause an panic that results in someone getting trampled and that doesn't matter? Because why- they didn't HAVE to run? You yell death to America and may Allah bless my actions on plane and that won't matter?
What are talking about?! Every war, revolution, riot, pogrom, religion, or movement for good or evil started with WORDS. How obvious can that be?
ALL actions are preceded by words-often those of another. You think a Middle Eastern suicide bomber just wakes up one day and thinks it'd be a good idea on his own? It happened through incitement, persuasion, indoctrination- take your pick on what to call it. It's all the same.
Let's just reverse this- a kid who goes to an ultra liberal college and has four years of left wing politics and neo-Marxist professors feeding him the ideology of revolution. At some point he that decides the best way he can help the world is to go off and become a radical Earth First eco-terrorist (or any other radical Left group). He didn't just get there on his own. He was first shown the way throgh the power of words. Now amplify that to daily TV and radio that called for a revolution against the scourge of capitalism; probably again the FED and IRS, and you'd have the same thing that's happening on the far-right at this moment. Radical indoctrination.
Honestly, the extreme right and left are all the same when it comes to thinking all life's problems are OUT THERE. It's just that right now we have national TV and nationally syndicated radio full of these guys on the right feeding the paranoid and disenfranchised hate day in and day out. It's nothing but a race to the bottom. It's easy to blame it all on big faceless entities and try and tear down what you don't understand. But to say it doesn't matter, and won't lead more people to take the same actions this guy did is either naive or just plain dishonest.
Those words absolutely do matter. It is called Freedom of Expression. We may not agree with the speech but it is the freedom that is so important. This sort of smack talk as been going on since before the Constitution ink was dry. But in your defense there have been a few "sedition" acts passed to enforce language and so forth to protect national security. Each time they were repealed when no longer needed. For example, Woodrow Wilson's simple Sedition Act of 1918 makes the Patriot Act look like a blown up Boy Scout Manual. Wilson's sedition act was conveniently repealed as unconstitutional after WWI ended. Similar actions were taken by FDR as well during WWII. I was surprised that GWB didn't push for sedition violations but he kept his mouth shut and just let people say pretty much anything they wanted. How does it taste now that the shoe is on the other foot?
People have laid down their lives for freedom. Even if they disagreed with how people were abusing it. That is good enough for me.
Be careful with your thoughts - they may end up being your actions
Be careful with your actions - they may end up being your habits
Be careful with your habits - they may end up being your life
Now, before anybody goes all Nancy Grace on dissenting speech, all of this is nothing new, and of course words matter.
Look what "hope" and "change" accomplished in 2008. They outperformed, "My policies will be..."
Yup, Db, words have power.
Hell, we've had similar nut jobs kill Presidents, so this guy in the Piper is just another in a long line of losers who can find any source of words to fit his internal state. Look at Kansas - some guy there flogs a Bible telling the world he was entitled to kill an abortion doctor. Fucked up people will always find words to justify themselves...hence my joke about The Beatles and Charles Manson. (Interestingly enough - Manson never even physically participated in the murders, yet he was convicted of the crime. An even greater acknowledgement of the power of words.)
In politics, there will always be those who think they are called to violence by those whose agenda is to really more efficiently part fools from their money. In the citizenry, there will always be those who think they are called to violence by almost anything anybody says. The occassional violent fool is the price we pay for living in a rrelatively free society.
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On the plus side, if that airplane dipshit had thought to exercise his Second Ammendment rights, we'd likely have more than one dead and all the liberals would be harping about Texas having lax gun laws.
Where are all the liberal concerned citizens for airplane-control?
Well, the guy flying the plane was nuts in any case, and he's responsible for his own behavior.
There's no doubt about that.
The only question is who contributed to his delusions. Speech is free, BUT freedom entails responsibility.
...freedom entails responsibility... And people who can't handle responsibility can't handle freedom either.
The answer to your question is the "tax protester movement". An unorganized network of fucking losers I have been dealing with for years. These people never cite talking points they heard on the radio or television. They get their shit from their own network of support groups. In other words, they are a group of tax evaders that don't like paying taxes. Also, don't combine the "tax protester movement" with today's TEA Party shit. "Tax protesters" don't go out in public and draw attention to themselves even from their own family and friends. The TEA Party is a joke and is influenced by conservative talk radio and TV but that is just your tough shit. They haven't broken any laws.
You want to be pissed off at something because of what this guy did? Than write your representatives [taxation with representation] and ask for tougher laws on tax evasion. Stop acting like a fucking simpleton no different than talk radio and Glen Beck. You're pissing up the wrong tree and couldn't make a tax protester any happier because you're focusing on sensationalism and not on criminals.
I hope that answers your question.
Wow, that really motivates me to write to my congressmoron, now, it really does. Yessireebob.
I kinda loathe tax evaders myself. I pay mine, and rather a lot of it, but I figure it's small change for part of what keeps my world stable, well, except for the tera-debt and the various spendy morons of all sorts...
It's not my fault you present yourself like some political talking point hack. Maybe you can join that group that has scripted everything for when you call into conservative talk radio. That'll sure show 'em.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/Obama_campaign_arm_focuses_on_talk_radio.html?showall
Here's you chance to show them what you got memorized from the New York Times. You can also blame them for the guy that killed an IRS agent, maimed several others, and destroyed private property. They'll eat your lunch.
Those shitheads should try and pay tax in my country. A lot worse than in the US
Excellent observation.
I couldn't agree more. These losers should look at the tax rates in Europe. The U.S. tax rates are actually very low.
It's not my fault you THINK I do that, and that you can't stand the simple truth of the matter, either.
You argue for free speech, now show some responsibility yourself.
Denial isn't a river in Africa.