It's Bush's fault.

Come on Lamont- you're smarter than that.

Haiti is a third world country ON AN ISLAND.
New Orleans, though some parts are pretty neglected, was IN OUR COUNTRY and immediately accessible via land, air or sea and connected to the full resources of the US gov. Oh, and we knew it was coming for at least three days before hand.

Really, do we have to keep going down the list as to how little, if anything the places have in common? Shit man, I go to Jazz Fest every year and half the city STILL isn't rebuilt.

Though I will say it's a little Bill Clinton's fault for dropping the ball when he had an opportunity to get things right with the country, and they left the second they could.

Yeah, but at the same time, if 'poof!' the bunch of us were suddenly in Port-Au-Prince, in the street, with bodies and people needing help, we'd roll our sleeves up and work until we were exhausted. Over and over again. We'd find a way to be effective, as it would be inescapably in front of us.

And you know it.

As for the Katrina response thing, there is an opinion out there that likes to think it was a psyop test on the western populace. The way it rolled out, who was involved, the timing, etc. The prior removal of the emergency plans for the entire area did not go unnoticed.

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. . . if 'poof!' the bunch of us were suddenly in Port-Au-Prince, in the street, with bodies and people needing help, we'd roll our sleeves up and work until we were exhausted. Over and over again. We'd find a way to be effective, as it would be inescapably in front of us.

I have a cynical view of mankind, but you are right; emergencies and tragedies often bring out the best in people. Most of us would indeed work our asses off to help.

Now if we could just trigger these responses without the tragedy.

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I have a cynical view of mankind, but you are right; emergencies and tragedies often bring out the best in people. Most of us would indeed work our asses off to help.

Now if we could just trigger these responses without the tragedy.

I have to say "best and worst". The problem, as always, is that the 5% or so of the population that is always ready to resort to "might makes right" can completely destroy anything they want in a situation like this.

The brawling over food the other day, resulting in the loss of the food and water from an airdrop, is a classic example of how this works.

Yes, others do rise to the occasion, I expect most here would, despite the various political stances. This is not, unfortunately, how the real world works.

In Haiti, as well, the people are used to being jacked around. It says something that even after Afghanistan and Iraq, people are holding up signs asking for the US Marines. They understand some of their fellow men better than most, I fear, and the marines would probably in fact be a good thing to send, if only they weren't off on a wild goose chase to the other side of the planet in Iraq.

The good news is this tragedy really made Pat Robertson happy.

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I would suck the president's dick

Lamont, I knew all that gay bashing was just closet talk!

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The good news is this tragedy really made Pat Robertson happy.

The bad news is that he apparently actually believes those things he says.

Pat Roberson is on record somewhere, I can't remember where..saying that he works for those who pay him enough, and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. The end.

I'm remembering now. It is the book written by Greg Palast, from just before the 2008 election. Greg gives the specific origin point of the quote from Pat. He says he received the quote in person, from Pat and names the interview information/origins, for the record, etc.

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Pat Roberson is on record somewhere, I can't remember where..saying that he works for those who pay him enough, and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. The end.

I'm remembering now. It is the book written by Greg Palast, from just before the 2008 election. Greg gives the specific origin point of the quote from Pat. He says he received the quote in person, from Pat and names the interview information/origins, for the record, etc.

It's called the gospel of prosperity.

Budda, Taras says that if you re coming up to Montreal, you'd better book your room now. We have the perfect hotel, though. Hotel De La Montagna. Rooms are about 600+ sqft, so big you can see clouds forming in them. Or play touch football. Walk in bathroom showers, all marble, etc. It is the now older, unwanted 'primo' spot, across from the new jet-set hangout. All other hotels are half the room size at 1.5 times the price.

In Canada, in our bars..we have real nekkid women on stage too. Not like you, er, pussies down in the US. Not my kinda bar, though. But Montreal does have them.

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." United States Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn.

The Senate on Thursday passed by unanimous consent the Haiti Assistance Income Tax Relief Act (S. 2936). The Senate bill was identical to H.R. 4462, passed by the House on Wednesday. The legislation now goes to President Barack Obama for his signature; he is expected to sign it this week.

The act allows taxpayers to deduct contributions made for the relief of victims in areas affected by the Jan. 12 earthquake in Haiti on their 2009 tax returns instead of on their 2010 returns. To be eligible for an accelerated deduction, the contributions must be made after Jan. 11, 2010, and before March 1, 2010, and meet the requirements of IRC

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20100120&articleId=17122

A Haiti disaster relief scenario had been envisaged at the headquarters of US Southern Command (SOUTHCOM) in Miami one day prior to the earthquake.

The holding of pre-disaster simulations pertained to the impacts of a hurricane in Haiti. They were held on January 11. (Bob Brewin, Defense launches online system to coordinate Haiti relief efforts (1/15/10) -- GovExec.com, complete text of article is contained in Annex)

The Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA), which is under the jurisdiction of the Department of Defense (DoD), was involved in organizing these scenarios on behalf of US Southern Command.(SOUTHCOM).

Defined as a "Combat Support Agency", DISA has a mandate to provide IT and telecommunications, systems, logistics services in support of the US military. (See DISA website: Defense Information Systems Agency).

On the day prior to the earthquake, "on Monday [January 11, 2010], Jean Demay, DISA's technical manager for the agency's Transnational Information Sharing Cooperation project, happened to be at the headquarters of the U.S. Southern Command in Miami preparing for a test of the system in a scenario that involved providing relief to Haiti in the wake of a hurricane."

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Just like with the 7/7/7 bombings in London.

The UK government and military just happened to be doing the exact same drill scenario the same day the same routes the same bombing scenarios and the same exact bomb detonation timing schedules.

Just like US Northcomm in North America doing the exact same drill at the exact same time and day in the exact same way ---with 9/11.

Are you people getting this yet? It may not make you comfortable, but you'd better start looking at this stuff.

You are missing an entire war (among insiders) that is going on -- and it's all flying underneath the general public's radar. But those who pay attention aren't missing it, but they are stuck trying to put the pieces that poke out - together...

In the same way that two men fighting over the same woman can't really announce and or go public with their little machinations, otherwise they would really loose out..in the same way to keep things workable, this war among insiders is conducted with control of the public's flow of information on it, so that the public's reaction to such behavior can be controlled, nothing concrete, so 'plausible deniability', and 'concrete' means the general public knowing/not knowing, ok? That's the way control of 'public mass' works, this is basic psyche class, first semester -psychology 101. No concrete or mass news media information of any kind. For if the public knew, like that woman being fought over by the two men, the whole effort would collapse and no one would win their little war...

This is why 85+% of all US media is controlled by approximately 20 people. (University of Oregon study into media ownership and control, 2008) Clinton started the removal of those controls on corporate control and consolidation, the laws that where put into place to protect the public interest from being subverted in this exact way and Bush junior finished it off, with his interference and changes in law and designation of heads of the FCC etc. that is why 85% of all US based investigative journalists have been fired or harassed out of their jobs and some have been threatened and killed.

I think that now, maybe now, some of you might start paying more attention.

KBK, I am sorry to appear retarded, but English is my 2nd language. Would you like to explain this to me as I don't quite get it:

You are missing an entire war (among insiders) that is going on -- and it's all flying underneath the general public's radar. But those who pay attention aren't missing it, but they are stuck trying to put the pieces that poke out - together...

Many thanks in advance

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KBK, I am sorry to appear retarded, but English is my 2nd language. Would you like to explain this to me as I don't quite get it:

You are missing an entire war (among insiders) that is going on -- and it's all flying underneath the general public's radar. But those who pay attention aren't missing it, but they are stuck trying to put the pieces that poke out - together...

Many thanks in advance

There is a very complex puzzle in front of us that is like inter-personnel office politics, the kind where the people act normal and possibly 'stiff' in public. (with other people around) but they really have it in (hatred) for one another and are trying to out do or out achieve each other..or they have a basic personality conflict with the other person (or group). These people in this office, or whatever workspace, are scheming against one another and against possibly their fellow workers, or they see the fellow workers as not important.

This is common with respects to larger groups of people, simply due to the numbers of people involved. This is enacted via the point of a large cross section of humanity will have a certain level of sociopaths within it. Human psychology and physiology tied to it varies, and thus the mental structure is altered and varied in any given group.

Statistically, it is found that even though we may imprison, incarcerate and isolate any given persons with anti-social behavior, it is not necessarily true that all will fall under that umbrella of successful recognition.

There will be a group of highly intelligent or otherwise enabled individuals who may show such tendencies and may be of that nature but have learned to hide this 'difference' they have from others.

Social structure that is used by the average masses of humanity has a basic honesty of behavior and psychology to it. The basic point is one of empathy. Empathy is the change into and in man that enabled successful social structure to emerge and be stable and productive.

The empathetic automatically enable their neighbor with their own base ways of existing or thinking with regards to their relations with others. Therefore, they will expect their neighbor or associates to act as they do and treat others fairly. Other thought patterns are not thought patterns that their empathetic minds can idealize or relate to - as it is foreign to their basic components and thus foreign to their grounding or fundamental origins.

Now, back to the individuals of intelligence and different empathy, or low empathy: The naturally decent type of person does not expect or understand the interference of the lowered or different empathy type in their midst.

There also exists differing tiers of intelligence and or related capacities throughout human societies. In those groups these games will still be at play. And the sharks will gather where there are victims. And like any social group, they will gather together for support. Or for war with one another.

Establishment of opportunity: as in providing the basics to the path of existence (for such a scenario to exist) is critical in supporting such arguments and the data shows it is there, and there are as many authors who take such a tack in their orientation in writing on such topics as one might care to research.

The situation is far from simple and would take about as many years as one has time - to document.

This has been the game throughout human history, and It carries on today.

Specifics are not something I care to get too deep into.

Indeed so; empathy is IMO becoming still rarer these days, where everything is about how much money we make, who we mix with socially, what we do for a living and what car we drive. And you're right about us not understanding the nature or thought patterns of those of lower empathy than normal. As you state: This has been going on forever, and if I may add, it will continue forever, sadly.

Human minds and nature is an extremely complicated mecanism, and it is obious that we as social beings have not evolved much from the caveman, from which we originated.

What strikes me as indeed very strange, is the fact that so few people actually recognizes that we are all in the same boat, and that it is slowly sinking. One may wonder is there's any hope for this species?

Thanks for taking the time to explain

It is considered that in the past in similar scenarios, the empathetic did rise up and do the correct thing, in many situations.

I see that beginning to happen right now. There are major groups of those who do have enough empathy and capacity to identify with their neighbor..and those groups are saying similar methodology as those of low empathy, which is that of a secretive group or groupings.

Normally, "The good guys", as the woman in the Bruce Willis film, 'The Jackal' said, "Don't Hide." But, in order to address this hidden hand or hidden scourge that is purposely operating below the enforced public awareness or radar level, the good guys have adopted a similar scenario with themselves, as the bad guys are using their own hidden aspects to attack and malign the 'good guys'.

This thing has erupted to the point now that such a lowlife as represented by Henry Kissinger, is..apparently dead. The word is out that (apparently) he and 5 of his associates were killed on December the 12th, 2009. The story goes that the world, in general, as had ENOUGH of these particular psychotics and are mobilizing the stomp these animals into dust. And that the job is partially done but the animals have far too much military and weapons in their hands for this whole thing to come off in a way that ends cleanly. Ie, expect some serious fall-out from those who refuse to go down quietly. Specifically note that the US industrial military complex is directly accused by Hugo Chavez of utilizing the HAARP device in order to enable themselves to invade Haiti. If one did a proper investigation of the HAARP project and the science behind it, they would find that the -least- the device is capable of is ....creating earthquakes. And that Haiti is most definitely within the zone of it's influence. the US industrial military complex (and the weapons they've been developing since the nazi era and nazi science influx into black projects) is the specific daemon head that is attempting to be lopped off here, and it is fighting back - and look at what it is doing. A few 100k dead Haitians seem to mean nothing to them. They want the oil and they want the gold and they want the rare earth metals. The entire world is cutting them off, and cutting down their financial control arm, known as 'The FED'.

People in the US are enraged as to the destruction of habeus corpus, and deservedly so. However, through the same doorway, this has allowed INTERPOL on US soil, it has given Interpol the direct capacity to hunt these scumbags down. Through this method and way, Interpol has apparently shut down the Bush Family's financial arm, ie their legal offices in Texas. (Bush Senior, ex-president and ex-head of the CIA)

Ron Paul is hitting the nail on the head when he calls for the dissolution and destruction of that illegal private enterprise known as 'The Fed'.

Ron Paul, right now.... is hitting the nail directly on the head in the exact and specific way that cost John Kennedy his life.

He is stating ~flat out~ the the CIA MUST DIE. All of it, the entire fucking psychotic ugly hydra that is the CIA -must die.

Scary! I must admit that I've never been a huge fan of such "entities" as CIA, being able to fight wars on their own all along, with immense power and budgets on their hands.

Ever read "The ghost wars" by Steve Coll? Does a lot of factual explaining on the subject...

Yes, seismic weapons do exist and the United States, among others, have them. Yes, the U.S. military forces were pre-positionned to be deployed to the island. These facts are not conclusive in themselves but they certainly warrant heightened scrutiny into this matter.

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In the end, we are not sure exactly who is behind the allegation, but what we know for certain is that this issue is being heatedly discussed at the highest level in several countries in Latin America, Eastern Europe and Asia.

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How much do we know about seismic weapons at present ?

During the Second World War, a group of New Zealand researchers attempted to develop a device capable of provoking tsunamis that could be unleashed against Japan. The research work was conducted by Thomas Leech, an Australian national, at Auckland University behind the code name of "Project Seal". Several small-scale test explosions were carried out successfully, between 1944 and 1945, at Whangaparaoa off the coast of Auckland. (this establishes workable technology for artificial earthquakes as being successfully carried out/enacted..... in 1945)

The United States deemed this programme to be as equally promising as the "Manhattan Project", involving the development of the atomic bomb, and appointed Dr. Karl T. Compton to maintain the liaison between the two research units. Compton was an American physicist and president of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology from 1930 to 1948.

The work started by Thomas Leech was pursued during the Cold War. In 1947, King George VI elevated him to the rank of Knight of the British Empire for his role in the elaboration of this new weapon. At the time, Project Seal was still a military secret and it was therefore not disclosed that Thomas Leech had in fact been rewarded for concocting the "tsunami bomb". Subsequently, the US intelligence services covered it up by claiming that the research had never really existed and that the whole thing had been an artifice to impress the Soviets. However, the authenticity of Leech

I would put about as much stock into seismic weapons as George Clooney blowing up goats with telekinesis. It's like an ant thinking it could shake the Empire State building! We can hardly, if at all penetrate the earth's crust with a drill, let alone affect a PLATE! You guys are just not thinking here... There are million more ways to wreak destruction covertly or directly than trying to affectively cause an earth quake.

Two tons out of 6,000 tons of Ammonium Nitrate, (a material used in making powerful explosives) have gone missing from a shipment to a storage facility in the Vancouver area from a company that was recently bought out for $22 billion by some of the world

Man, if only Sam Kinison were alive. He'd have a take on Haiti that would make us realize how funny the situation is.

Gee KBK, I don't even DARE thinking of asking you what you believe actually did happen on 9/11. I only threw in a nickel, remember? LOL

Talking about it, LOUDLY..is what stops such things from happening. I'd rather look like an idiot than keep my silence on such 'potentials'. As student of history I know it's been done 1000's of times before. There is nothing that would make these current times any different.

Actually I agree on this one. If we don't make our statements loud, the scumbags of this world will get away with anything. Keep it up

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I would put about as much stock into seismic weapons as George Clooney blowing up goats with telekinesis. It's like an ant thinking it could shake the Empire State building! We can hardly, if at all penetrate the earth's crust with a drill, let alone affect a PLATE! You guys are just not thinking here... There are million more ways to wreak destruction covertly or directly than trying to affectively cause an earth quake.

Yeah, it does seem like some folks don't understand the magnitude of the energies involved, doesn't it?

"As for seismic attacks, your knowledge of the subject matter is not as strong as it could be. This lack of knowledge, Doug, does not mean that it is impossible. For you it is merely deeply uncomfortable, and that does nothing to alter the facts of the existence of such technology, the circumstantial evidence that surrounds the situation, and who would benefit...if such a thing were done."

Though science and common sense never seem to matter for a conspiracy theorist such as yourself, let me just try and set you straight about "what I know." A close friend of mine happens to be the head of the geology dept. of Brown University- you know, one of the Ivy League, not some local school that just repeats text books, but actually does research. So I ran your little scenario by him and he just chuckled. Like I had asked him of it was true that the Land of Lost existed at the center of the planet too.

Sure, in theory, if you buried maybe 500 nukes along a fault line, maybe, but not for sure, you could make something happen (aside from blowing everyone up before any seismic stuff went down). But you purport weapons that could SECRETLY cause earthquakes in order to make them appear natural. It's not disturbing, it's a complete waste of mental activity!

Seriously, I'd be more likely to believe in Santa Claus than some of the stuff you lay out with such authority.

- but if he thinks it's serious he's right in spreading the word, instead of just shutting up. Same as in audio. Got an opinion? Feel free to share it

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"As for seismic attacks, your knowledge of the subject matter is not as strong as it could be. This lack of knowledge, Doug, does not mean that it is impossible. For you it is merely deeply uncomfortable, and that does nothing to alter the facts of the existence of such technology, the circumstantial evidence that surrounds the situation, and who would benefit...if such a thing were done."

Though science and common sense never seem to matter for a conspiracy theorist such as yourself, let me just try and set you straight about "what I know." A close friend of mine happens to be the head of the geology dept. of Brown University- you know, one of the Ivy League, not some local school that just repeats text books, but actually does research. So I ran your little scenario by him and he just chuckled. Like I had asked him of it was true that the Land of Lost existed at the center of the planet too.

Sure, in theory, if you buried maybe 500 nukes along a fault line, maybe, but not for sure, you could make something happen (aside from blowing everyone up before any seismic stuff went down). But you purport weapons that could SECRETLY cause earthquakes in order to make them appear natural. It's not disturbing, it's a complete waste of mental activity!

Seriously, I'd be more likely to believe in Santa Claus than some of the stuff you lay out with such authority.

And I'd wager your friend knows absolutely dick about Tesla (the tiniest tip of the iceberg) - you should tell your friend to educate himself a bit more broadly.

But all that's OK, Doug. I'm not thinking it of or treating it as a pissing contest, or any sort of contest, for that matter. Part of me wants to be insulted, but I realize it is a waste of time and energy.

I'll explain it to you a bit more clearly, which in itself - is not recommended. One thing that needs be done, is that the 'fuse' must be left in the system. Generalizations are allowed but direct specifics will get you in trouble. Do you understand?

Tell your friend to start with ISBN:0-932813-53-4 and patent #4686605, which is only one of many.

There are now approximately 20 of these devices in the world today. The is also a pressure zone sitting off the coast of Florida, during the pertinent season...for the past 2+ years (impossible), which is not at all in harmony with the record of the past few 100 years before that. It does a good job of keeping hurricanes out of the gulf coast.

And I got an LP named Misa Criolla (Ariel Ramirez) which features Jos

Multiple observation systems independently reported an 8.6 quake in China the other day (about 1.5 days back) but the reports are disappearing from the various sites.

I gotta say- you crack me up.

Next!

way cool.

In other news, the head security man for the World economic forum (big ass annual thingie taking place right now in Davos)..was found 'suicided' in his hotel room (Jan/26/2010).

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/nation-world/s_664194.html

It is apparently connected to this? Maybe-maybe not..:
http://coteret.com/2009/11/29/yediot-un-official-says-%E2%80%9Cisrael-is-spying-on-the-un%E2%80%9D/

More than 2,500 political, business and financial leaders are gathering in Davos this week for the 40th World Economic Forum. Attendees include European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet, Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

The first deputy of the regional policy, Robert Willi, will assume command on an interim basis, the e-mail said. Marcel Suter will be assigned to lead overall deployment of security personnel for the conference, it said.

The World Economic Forum was formed by German-born businessman Klaus Schwab in 1971. It is a nonprofit organization with headquarters in Geneva and is funded by the varying subscription fees of its members.

And there is another dead Rockefeller, this time in Australia.(Jan/22/2010)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/couple-charged-with-murder/story-e6frg6nf-1225824906053

Interesting stuff.

And a bit on Haiti.

Remember, the US has built up for this 'scenario'..and just happened to be gearing up for this the day before the earthquake:

A former US President becomes UN Special Envoy to earthquake-stricken Haiti. A born-again neo-conservative US business wheeler-dealer preacher claims Haitians are condemned for making a literal 'pact with the Devil.' Venezuelan, Nicaraguan, Bolivian, French and Swiss rescue organizations accuse the US military of refusing landing rights to planes bearing necessary medicines and urgently needed potable water to the millions of Haitians stricken, injured and homeless.

Behind the smoke, rubble and unending drama of human tragedy in the hapless Caribbean country, a drama is in full play for control of what geophysicists believe may be one of the world's richest zones for hydrocarbons-oil and gas outside the Middle East, possibly orders of magnitude greater than that of nearby Venezuela.

Aid workers:

I just returned from Haiti with Hebler. We flew in at 3 AM Sunday to the Scene of such incredible destruction on one side, and enormous Ineptitude and criminal neglect on the other.

Port of Prince is in ruins. The rest of the country is fairly intact. Our team was a rescue team and we carried special equipment that locates people buried under the rubble. There are easily 200,000 dead, the city smells like a charnal house.

And the US has completely blocked off the airports and control things to the point that reports are coming in that, overall...NOTHING is getting done. However, who exactly is 'in charge', is debatable.

This is your government?

This is your integrity?

This is your involvement?

This is the world you want?

The Danes have just donated over 130.000.000 DKK (around 26 million $) out of their pockets. (We are 5,5 million citizens). Where are they gonna go?

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You mean the 5.1 on the 30th? Or the 5.1 in the Sea of japan just now, or what?