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GeerFab Audio D.BOB digital breakout box Manufacturer's Comment

Sidebar 1: Manufacturer's Comment

Editor: When I started my quest to extract DSD64 and 24/192 PCM from discs to an external DAC, I knew legality was paramount. USB and AES/EBU outputs would have stripped the HDCP encoding, so I went with S/PDIF Coax/Toslink and a manufacturer well-versed in HDMI and HDCP devices. End result: the DSD and PCM at the Coax/Toslink outputs are fully HDCP copy-protected, adhere to the DTCP standards and are not in violation of the SACD and Blu-ray Audio regulations. An indication of industry acceptance: SACD label Channel Classics has welcomed the D.BOB to the industry by selling it online!

Contrary to naysayers, SACD and Blu-ray Audio discs are alive and well, with roughly 6000 SACD titles (about 4500 classical) and more releases coming every month from dozens of classical, pop, and jazz labels: new recordings and DSD remasterings of analogue classical, pop, and jazz recordings from the '50s through the '70s—collectively giving vinyl more than a run for its analog money. Blu-ray Audio is less well represented but is the chosen format for UMG.

Significantly, the D.BOB allows one to enjoy through an external DAC the Giles Martin remix/remasters of the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's, White Album, and Abbey Road in their full 24/96 Blu-ray Audio glory.

I have found that even the untrained ear can hear the huge differences between the DSD and CD layers of an SACD played though the D.BOB and an external DAC. The CD layer sounds squashed by comparison.

Make sure your player passes hi-rez audio through HDMI and your DAC accepts DoP over Coax/Toslink. Some DACs only accept it via USB, though most DACs with DoP over USB can be made to accept it via Coax/Toslink with a firmware update.—Eric Geer, Founder, President GeerFab Audio

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Fox Point, WI 53217
(414) 446-5841
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davip's picture
Submitted by davip on April 27, 2020 - 11:33am

Once you've purchased the SACD then it's yours to deploy and access as you wish on 'fair-use' terms. I would not care tuppence for the legality or otherwise of the described usage, and I doubt Sony / Phillips / RIAA / Whoever would have a snowball-in-hell's chance of prosecuting. Did anyone who accessed the S-A bitstream from a PS2 to create .diff files ever get prosecuted? No. That's not to say that those corporate swine might not go after Geer, but that's another matter and one assumes that part of the three-years of 'complexity' was his making sure that he wasn't putting his own ass on the line. Well done Him, but your cautions to your readers are, I think, misplaced, and are perhaps a product of today's streaming culture where users are encouraged to adopt the mindset that they don't 'own' the music that they pay for, whether virtual- or physical-media.

My 2p-worth anyway. Once I converted the early Genesis SACDs to their .diff files and transcoded these to 24/88.2 to look at the waveforms and saw that they had all been maximised in a PCM-step, that was the end for me and I gave up on digital entirely.

Props to Geer all the same. I'm back in vinyl heaven -- and my music is Mine...

Kal Rubinson's picture
Submitted by Kal Rubinson on April 27, 2020 - 12:11pm

1. I lean to your perspective on this matter. I have ripped thousands of SACDs and have reported on such activities in Stereophile. OTOH, without an explicit legal opinion in-hand to support the documentation, I took a position of caution on the matter.
2. I am sorry that you had a bad experience with those SACD, most of which derive from recordings made prior CD as well as prior to SACD. The provenance and processing of such are often murky. Not all "modern" SACDs suffer from the same problem.

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Submitted by soundboy on April 27, 2020 - 12:11pm

In the Manufacturer's Comment section, GeerFab Audio mentioned there are "roughly 6,000 SACD titles". The real total is more than 14,000. Go to hraudio.net and there are 13,401 SACD titles listed as of this post.

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Submitted by Bogolu Haranath on April 27, 2020 - 12:12pm

It was a mistake by Sony/Phillips for not allowing SACD digital data available for external DACs, from the beginning, like they allowed for CD digital data ....... That is my opinion, and I could be wrong :-) .......

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Submitted by jeffhenning on April 27, 2020 - 1:21pm

Playing old hi-res audio discs on my BDP-103 via HDMI has worked well, but I never really bought a lot of them. The fidelity of the rock recordings was not always great, but It is nice when you get a decent surround mix.

If I owned a ton of SACD's and wanted to pull them into my Mac, this box might be worth my while. That never happened. I have a lot more Blu-rays and hi-res files.

When I do buy a UHD BD player, I'll still have to hold onto the Oppo to play the few DVD-A/SACD's I do own.

As to legal issues, is anybody really going to bother with that now?

Kal Rubinson's picture
Submitted by Kal Rubinson on April 27, 2020 - 1:39pm

Why?

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Submitted by chrisoz on April 28, 2020 - 3:03am

Hi Kal, I decided it was time to upgrade my Ayre C-5xe and purchased the D.BOB from Eric Geer in January. There was no way to buy it in Australia, I had tried online. Eric was extremely helpful even though he was attending NAMM at the time. I use it with a Chord Hugo TT2 and Cambridge Audio CX-UHD transport. The Chord TT2 accepts DSD via DoP on S/PDIF. I have also used it with a Chord Qutest. It has worked flawlessly and I'm completely happy with the D.BOB. I briefly experimented with a Bryston BDA-3 and the Cambridge CX-UHD prior to the arrival of the D.BOB, but find it and the Chord TT2 superior, so much so I no longer own the BDA-3

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Submitted by jeffhenning on April 27, 2020 - 1:46pm

There were never all that many hi-res DVD-A and SACD discs that I was interested in. Also, the quality of the rock and fusion releases could be less than stellar.

And the whole bit with the copy protection was a bit onerous.

I'm much happier with Blu-rays and hi-res files.

Kal Rubinson's picture
Submitted by Kal Rubinson on April 28, 2020 - 9:28am

OK. I found (still find) a lot with music on them that I am interested in but that doesn't include rock and fusion.

The copy protection went away.

Just wanted to know it was not just a snide remark. :-)

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Submitted by jeffhenning on April 27, 2020 - 4:01pm

I was unaware of that. Are you just talking SACD's or DVD-A's, too? Most of mine are pretty old.

The last SACD that I bought was Count Basie "Live at the Sands (before Frank)" (MoFi) in 2014. Pretty wonderful stuff. I play it in my Oppo BDP-103 via HDMI into my XMC-1 pre/pro. The Oppo converts it to PCM. Just added it to my "to listen to" list. Got a bunch of hi-res stuff queued up on my rack since I completed the surround system a month ago.

Wonder if I can pull that Basie disc into my computer?

Kal Rubinson's picture
Submitted by Kal Rubinson on April 27, 2020 - 4:35pm

Of course. One can rip CD, DVD, DVD-A, SACD, BluRay, etc. Been going on for a while. I've reported on this in my recently concluded MITR series but its all over the Internet.

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Submitted by ri_stretto on April 28, 2020 - 1:42am

czech company www.audiopraise.com has for at least 15 years offered their vanity boards for oppo and a number of universal players. these boards replaced the stock digital outputs on oppos or were add-ons / replacements for the S/PDIF outputs on universal players.
the vanity boards picked up DSD and PCM streams from the circuit; output was/is either DSD-in-PCM in the case of SACD or PCM in the disk's native sampling rate/word length up to 192/24 when spinning red book or DVD-A. output was either BNC or RCA. alternatively the signal could also be upsampled to 192/24.
i still have an old pioneer DV-656 universal player (IIRC from around 2002 or so) with a vanity board that i use to play the few DVD-A i still have and of course all SACD.
the vanity boards for oppo players put out stereo and multichannel signals as DSD and PCM. do a google search for "audiopraise vanity" if you want to know more.

Kal Rubinson's picture
Submitted by Kal Rubinson on April 28, 2020 - 12:23pm

..................but can you actually buy such a device or a stand-alone convertor from AudioPraise now?

I would!!

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Submitted by Bogolu Haranath on April 28, 2020 - 7:53am

Do you (KR) use any other built-in digital reconstruction filter(s) in the Mytek Brooklyn processor, other than the standard linear phase filter? ........ Just curious :-) ........

Kal Rubinson's picture
Submitted by Kal Rubinson on April 28, 2020 - 8:07am

I don't really use the Mytek Brooklyn much these days except for testing as described in this review. The multichannel DACs suit my every day needs much better.

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Submitted by Dick James on April 28, 2020 - 9:27am

DVD-A has evolved into BD-A or in some cases DVD-V with hi-res audio, probably because so few players supported DVD-A, and SACD is fully alive. There are hundreds of hybrid SACDs released every year in stereo and multichannel sound.

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Submitted by volvic on April 28, 2020 - 10:39am

I am a very late adopter to SACD and while some of the titles coming from Japan are a little pricey, I still gulp and buy, and whatever I find in the used CD stores has allowed me to amass a small but sizeable collection. I think if SACD had launched in 1982, none of us would have turntables today. Not as good as vinyl on every release, but on others tough to ignore how good SACD is.

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Submitted by shib on April 29, 2020 - 5:19pm

For audiophiles like me who do not care to spend the time to download files or stream, this product is useless because it still requires a physical player, whose laser or disc mechanism will die. I have the Sony SCD-1 player and was bit in the ass when Sony stopped making replacement parts. I want my "last" SACD player. I prefer it to have DAC inputs, but can live without. The manufacturer must guarantee replacement parts. The new Denons seem like a good choice, since their transport has seem to become the new industry standard. In the meantime, while I wait for my Cinderella SACD player, I'll just continue to listen to my vinyl. Forget about spending $thousands on a SACD player that will, not may, die. I'll spend that extra money on records or a new cartridge.

Bogolu Haranath's picture
Submitted by Bogolu Haranath on April 30, 2020 - 9:47am

You could consider the Denon DCD-1600NE CD/SACD player, $1,199 :-) ........

shib's picture
Submitted by shib on April 30, 2020 - 9:58am

Except I'm greedy and want it all. My SCD-1 was probably one of the Top 10 best built SACD players. Hard to step down mechanically. And, can't Denon throw in some DAC inputs? I do see working used lasers on eBay for my Sony. I also have a used spare that I replaced but kept. The player also needs to be recapped. I may go that route. Don't really see what the point is for me to spend a lot of $ on a new SACD player. I listen mostly to vinyl anyway.

Bogolu Haranath's picture
Submitted by Bogolu Haranath on April 30, 2020 - 10:28am

Denon's sister company Marantz makes SA-KI Ruby CD/SACD player which also has built-in DAC ...... It is more expensive, $3,999 :-) .........

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Submitted by bobrapoport on January 10, 2022 - 11:25am

Hi Kal,

With all due props to Eric and D.Bob, Essence has been making proper audiophile class HDMI DACs since 2013. You liked our Evolve II-4K HDMI v2.0 Multi-Channel model a couple of years ago and at $299 it can playback Native DSD on SACDs over HDMI along with uncompressed, native PCM Hi Res files on Blu-ray. We are honored to be listed in the Stereophile Recommended List.

We have a step-up model called the HDACC II-4K DAC at $649, it has 4 HDMI v2.0 inputs for sources like Nvidia Shield and Apple TV4K, 4K Universal Blu-ray players, the latest gaming consoles, and the best servers and streamers. It has one HDMI v2.0b output that feeds the 4K video to the TV plus USB in, Optical and Coaxial in/outs. Featuring 32 bit / 384K processing, I use the ESS SabrePro9038 DAC chip to achieve THD + N spec = .00001% at -141 dB s/n ratio, making it a reference class DAC. RCA and XLR analog outputs, remote control, Fixed and Variable output so it can be used as a full function preamp and headphone amp as well as a stand alone DAC. The OLED display reads the inbound sample rate of the source, input selection, upsample menu, and volume.

This device is legal and it uses the latest HDCP v2.2 to unlock the layers of an SACD or Blu-ray disc to reach the highest native bit rates, equal to a one to one copy of the original master recording. My customers think highly of the device, I've shared 27 user experiences on my product page, just click on the stars in the upper right hand corner here: https://www.essenceelectrostatic.com/product/hdacc-ii-4k/ to learn more, they are quite insightful.

Its a great way to update older vintage audio to remote control and the latest digital media sources and will make anything its connected to sound better. It can upsample older formats like CD up to 24/96K for a nice lift in performance. It also has a single analog input with a nice A to D converter for vinyl and tape sources. Its a problem solver, the Swiss Army knife of DACs according the John Darko.

One note about using an optical or coaxial output from a DAC being fed an HDMI source, the HDCP will downgrade the bandwidth of hi res content to no higher than 48K sample rate output over SPDIF connections. Copyright laws prohibit the recording or storage of the highest resolution audio and highest definition video. So the only way to achieve the highest performance is via HDMI v2.0b with HDCP v2.2 both in and out. The highest resolution audio is encrypted, security authentication via a 2 way digital handshake is required for decryption.

The Fairness Doctrine expired in 1997 when the DMCA Act became the law of the land. We can watch and we can listen but we are not allowed to copy. The content creators who own the copyrights to their art are in control now. Its a fair trade off in my book.

I'd be happy to provide you with an HDACC II-4K to try, just let me know.

Bob Rapoport, CEO
Essence For Hi Res Audio
bob@essenceelectrostatic.com

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