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Knowledge of the brand names of the components is by no means any help in establishing the level of sound quality of the system.

Agreed, so why does needing to know brand names figure so prominently in things like being able to hear differences between cables, or the presence of a tweak?

>>>>>>>As far as I know, noone makes such a claim.

You are quite comfortable with the notion that people need to know all the parameters present for evaluating the performance of a tweak, but comfortable again in stating that knowing brand names is not important.

>>>>Not only am I not comfortable with that notion, it makes no sense.

Your comment promotes the importance of blind listening, Geoff.

>>>>Only using your "logic."

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That is, I'm on your side on this one.

How many times have I heard that line when I know it's not true?
This is not "controversial". Could we please get back to the main topic?

Huh?

I haven't directed anything at you, Jan.

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But, treating the "gear" is NOT 'having an effect on the audio signal travelling through it' - it is affecting the way we (human beings) react to the presence of that very equipment in our environment !!!

I guess you really can have it both ways.

You treat the gear but not the the signal passing through the gear.

Ever notice any differences between different gear?

If so, what?

Examples?

No proprietary secrets requested, just some honest description if you've noted gear to gear variation.

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Huh!!?? I'm just curious, do you live in a shack in the boondocks somewhere? Who doesn't give a 30 day money back trial period? Can you give even one example? I thought not.

Someone piss in your Wheaties this morning?

I just pointed out that money-back trial periods are good and go a long way.

That is, I'm on your side on this one.

Sheesh.

Everyone gives a 30 day money back trail period, not only tweak manufacturers, silly. And who uses the expression, "solid, no questions asked 30 day trail period?" You mean as opposed to an unsolid one? LOL

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Are you saying you didn't understand my "spider" example ? The whole point of the "spider" story is that different people react differently to different circumstances and experiences. NOTHING, gives a UNIVERSAL effect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps I should have asked the question differently.

I understood that the effect of at least most Belt devices is idiosyncratic. I simply wondered whether there were any that had a universal effect.

I now understand that all are idiosyncratic.

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"Are there Belt devices that are universal (they affect everyone) and others that are not?"

Are you saying you didn't understand my "spider" example ? The whole point of the "spider" story is that different people react differently to different circumstances and experiences. NOTHING, gives a UNIVERSAL effect !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not everyone reacts universally to the same adverse thing and not everyone reacts universally to the same beneficial thing !!

What is it that you aren't understanding Elk. ?

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

It's what we've been saying all along. Thanks for verifying, at long last!

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NOTHING, gives a UNIVERSAL effect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Couldn't agree more!!!!!!!!!!

Some people need them, some don't!

Yay!

Detente!

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Everyone gives a 30 day money back trail period, not only tweak manufacturers, silly. And who uses the expression, "solid, no questions asked 30 day trail period?" You mean as opposed to an unsolid one? LOL

"Solid"; of good substantial quality or kind.

So yes, "as opposed to an unsolid one."

Some distributors of products play games with their return policies, some hold back 15% "restocking fees," some take many months to credit accounts, etc. I'm sure you are well aware of this.

A money-back policy, honorably followed, is particularly appropriate for expensive unconventional tweaks.

If the product is worth to the consumer what he paid no one has been cheated.

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Everyone gives a 30 day money back trail period, not only tweak manufacturers, silly. And who uses the expression, "solid, no questions asked 30 day trail period?" You mean as opposed to an unsolid one? LOL

"Solid"; of good substantial quality or kind.

So yes, "as opposed to an unsolid one."

Some distributors of products play games with their return policies, some hold back 15% "restocking fees," some take many months to credit accounts, etc. I'm sure you are well aware of this.

A money-back policy, honorably followed, is particularly appropriate for expensive unconventional tweaks.

If the product is worth to the consumer what he paid no one has been cheated.

Brilliant observations. Rawk!

Boooooodha! Oh, Boooooodha!

You're forgetting something, Booooooodha!

You didn't respond to this. Since you feel it is not being a troll to post the same demand or the same insult a thousand times over, maybe I'll just post this each time you ignore it until you decide to move on with the topic of the thread.

Just what will a listing of components accomplish in your view? Particularly from someone who might have numerous components which could be configured in absurdly high numbers of ways. Have you heard each component they might own in order to discern what you think of that component? In each system configuration?

Why do you want this so badly that you have been on this binge now for several years and always in threads which deal with untraditional thinking? Why do you only demand this of those members who are on the opposite side of the topic from you? What other reason could there be than it's just another naysayer demand (DBT's, ABX's, measurements, more measurements, specific measurements one individual demands, etc, etc, etc.) that stalls conversation on the real topic of the thread?

You been told "no" repeatedly, why persist? Why can't you accept that answer and move on with a discussion of the topic? Why? And, while we're on "why", why is it every weekend - every weekend! - during such threads you begin to insult every person who disagrees with you? What is it that gets into you or that you get into that makes you do this every time?

You're forgetting you posted this just a short while back ...

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Criticize, but not disclose. Yeah, that's credible.

I'll add my own "" now that you have admitted you yourself have no credibility.

Just answer the questions, Boooodha! and then we can move on to more important things, things like, why are you still amazed that people can hear cable changes?

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Huh?

I haven't directed anything at you, Jan.

What?! Now you think I am only to speak when spoken to, Massa?

C'mon, Elk, no one is "attacking" you, just stating a fact.

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Some distributors of products play games with their return policies, some hold back 15% "restocking fees," some take many months to credit accounts, etc. I'm sure you are well aware of this.

And sometimes customers try to return stuff they didn't buy from that store or an electronic item that doesn't operate at all or a product that's scratched or damaged and they try to weinney out of the problem by blaming someone else and getting pissed when they are told they need to pay for the repairs, exchange, discarding the dead ferret in the box, etc.

People of all stripes can be such dicks.

I'm sure you are well aware of this.

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People of all stripes can be such dicks.

I'm sure you are well aware of this.

Oh yes we are ALL very much aware of THAT statement

Your self awareness surprises me.

Now, would you kindly stop taking the cheap laugh lines I provide you - I know they're there and I keep hoping you'll rise above the adolescent urges to, among the other juvenile things you do on this forum, copy/paste and add your Ferris Bueller funny and discuss the topic at hand rather than "Oh, loookee, I can turn this around to insult (insert name here)."

See, your trite little games aren't getting anyone but you thinking you're smart. Even Boooodha! doesn't bother to add a "LOL" or "Atttaboy!". Far from it to be exact. Booodha! didn't remember you were here until someone who disagrees with him mentioned your name.

On the other hand, Boooodha! insists - no, demands, screams and stomps his feet and then does his Jeckyll/Hyde weekend schtick when it doesn't happen immmediately - others do as he says and has the audacity to post, "Criticize, but not disclose. Yeah, that's credible."

Then he refuses to disclose why this information would be useful as anything other than yet another diversion from the discussion and why he has these J/H weekends which ultimately leave him with less credibitlity than someone with 140+ posts all slamming Ted and his system. And ... since all you seem able to accomplish is to repost "meaure the FUCKING BOWLS" every second page, that ain't much to compete with.

In short, you guys got nothing and you keep making yourself look way worse than if you just stopped posting or move on to attacking ... what? ... cables?!

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NOTHING, gives a UNIVERSAL effect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Couldn't agree more!!!!!!!!!!

Some people need them, some don't!

And some, when they have it, it turns them really nasty.

What a Norman Bates moment.

Good going, Boooodha!

Oh, mother!

Trying to get this back on the tracks ...

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Another aspect is even harder to quantify. The resonators attenuate ultrasonic garbage. This becomes intensely obvious once you remove them after a competent whole-house installation has settled in. Envision an alley of CRTs at some media mart. 50-some conventional televisions are powered up simultaneously. The radiation pollution is intense. You can 'hear' this noise as an uncomfortable, very obnoxious activity impinging on your brain. It manifests as a kind of electrostatic pressure. It also leeches vitality. It makes you irritable or listless. That's why the resonators beyond audio use are addictive. Once you get sensitized to living in a space that's better shielded from this noise, reverting to the pre-resonator condition becomes as unappealing as sticking your head in a microwave.

However, the ramifications aren't entirely clear cut. Consider that our human brain is an electrical apparatus. It sends and receives frequencies - thoughts. Thoughts travel through air. Ultrasonic bands are where the resonators oscillate. They can impact your mental and emotional life in unexpected ways. For example, my wife is currently working on her third book. As any novelist involved in a book knows, characters begin to live in your imagination. Throughout the day and even during your sleep, there's an undercurrent of continuous activity. The story reveals itself in preview snippets, then downloads into your conscious mind whenever you engage your process at the keyboard.

Once Franck had performed our house tuning, many things shifted. One of these had to do with my wife reporting on unexpected side effects which she initially found very disconcerting. To wit, her imaginary involvement with the present book got damped, shut down even. She literally had a hard time concentrating on the story. Even the creative urge and drive to do so had diminished. "The feeling is as though someone had swept my mind clean. It's so clean, there's nothing left to refer back to, no lingering memory of the prior writing session, no urge to pick up where I left off. Where I left off is gone. The familiar continuity has been interrupted. What was there before -- call it muse, inspiration, spirit -- is empty now. The mind feels refreshed and clear but it now is an effort to make contact again with the writing process."

The implications are very personal. Through diet or drugs, blood chemistry affects our emotions. Manipulate the blood chemistry and feelings you might consider an intrinsic part of your makeup will turn out to be chemically induced reactions. It's a nearly hardwired reflex to say "I am angry" rather than, "anger is happening". We own our feelings. Identifying with them is part of who we think we are. Likewise for thoughts. That identification is summed up in Descartes' Cogito ergo sum. I think, therefore I am. You can well imagine now the interior shock when your mental life, the thing that's closest to you, suddenly changes in subtle ways that feel alien to you and which are triggered because of some tiny passive 'harmless' devices.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/francktchang/resonators_6.html

Any comments, May?

May, you were so close.

Not everyone requires a given tweak, but everyone requires some tweak?

Sales hyperbole.

You've gotten better as we've known each other.

Initially, you were infuriated that I called them listener directed tweaks, now you embrace the notion.

Now, the concept of remediation is upsetting to you, but there is a shift in your vocabulary toward this very thing.

Your shift away from universalism is a beginning.

I know you call it blindingly obvious now, but it took you so long, May.

Quote May: "Look at the situation from that angle and so many peoples' experiences with various and different so called 'tweaks' begin to make more 'sense, and why those 'tweaks' could be having 'an effect' !!"

The same can be said for those who have experience with the same tweaks and have experienced no improvement.

I guess, May, where you and I differ is that you pathologize those who don't hear what you claim to sell. It's pretty fool proof - if someone doesn't hear what you sell, they either have something wrong with them or need more of your product. I will persist in contending that, as you yourself say is blatantly obvious....not everyone requires such remedial intervention.

I think in a year or two, we'll see your continued shift and I look forward to meeting you there!

Cheers.

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I haven't directed anything at you, Jan.

What?! Now you think I am only to speak when spoken to, Massa?

Then perhaps you will respond to the "Huh?" so that I can reply to your comment.

You stated: "How many times have I heard that line when I know it's not true?"

To what does this refer and is this related to the topics at hand?

"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."

-- Eleanor Roosevelt

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Some distributors of products play games with their return policies, some hold back 15% "restocking fees," some take many months to credit accounts, etc. I'm sure you are well aware of this.

And sometimes customers try to return stuff they didn't buy from that store . . .

Absolutely true.

However, this is unrelated to controversial tweaks; it's highly unlikely that a buyer of the Acoustic ART products will try to return them to Best Buy.

It is appropriate for the purveyor of a controversial tweak to offer a trial period and to readily take back the product upon request - something which Synergistics does to its credit (as do others).

On the question, how are the reviewer's/purveyor's equipment lists relevant?

It's perhaps irrelevant to Belt Devices as it is the listener (not the room nor the equipment nor the direct sound prior to the eardrum that is changed).

Information regarding the room and any acoustic deficiencies are relevant to products, such as the Acoustic ART products that claim to have an impact on room acoustics.

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... it's highly unlikely that a buyer of the Acoustic ART products will try to return them to Best Buy.

Best Buy would ask for a receipt if you tried to return an OEM CD player from a Chevrolet.

And, to be fair, I've just recently experienced the very best customer service I've found in years - from Best Buy.

The point I'm making is, it is not always the retailer who is less than honest and trustworthy.

Synergistics does offer full refunds and trial runs, an audition would cost you nothing.

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Then perhaps you will respond to the "Huh?" so that I can reply to your comment.

You stated: "How many times have I heard that line when I know it's not true?"

To what does this refer and is this related to the topics at hand?

What does it matter whether this refers to this topic at hand? Why are we spending so much time not talking about this topic at hand? Why not just move on instead of looking for something that isn't there?

I know what I mean, Elk, and, if I try to explain it to you, you'll just tell me that's not what I was talking about.

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The point I'm making is, it is not always the retailer who is less than honest and trustworthy.

Already directly acknowledged. To quote myself, "Absolutely true."

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Synergistics does offer full refunds and trial runs, an audition would cost you nothing.

Which I already pointed out - with approval. This is very appropriate for the distributor of an exceedingly expensive, unconventional tweak.

I have every reason to believe that they honor their policy as well.

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What does it matter whether this refers to this topic at hand? Why are we spending so much time not talking about this topic at hand? Why not just move on instead of looking for something that isn't there?
I know what I mean, Elk, and, if I try to explain it to you, you'll just tell me that's not what I was talking about.

Anyone able to translate this?

English, German and French preferred, but I'll try Urdu, Macedonian or even Azerbaijani.

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Are you therefore the "normal" against which all others are to be compared ??

No, May. I seek only to be accepting of those who both hear and do not hear some types of tweaks. I don't think Michigan is a liar, nor do I think someone who has heard no benefit from your tweaks is being dishonest, closed minded, deaf, defective, or deceitful.

I seek a place where both sides are believed. You, sadly, do not. Why?

I contend that there is a spectrum of response to this sort of thing, based on the myriad reports of variable results, ranging from "none" to "night and day."

If you look at product pentration after 40 years, I think you'd see ample evidence of Belt responders vs. non-responders. It's baffling why you persist with insisting your tweaks take people from normal to better than normal, and those who hear no difference either don't get it or require more of your tweaks (as you yourself have pointed out many times.) It's the height of uninformed arrogance.

My examples of remediation for sense information, ranging from eye glasses to hearing aids are exemplars of the value and importance of remediation, but you just keep on with the "our users aren't remedial, they're enlightened" line of marketing booshit.

On the plus side...

You've evolved toward accepting of the term "listener directed tweak"....and you are more than welcome, by the way. Now you are on the edge of accepting that there is a point of 'non-universal' tweak results, so I will ever expectantly wait your further enlightenment.

May, you have got to learn to believe those who say they hear what you do AND those who do not. Until you acknowledge the potential correctness of either answer, you will be nothing more than....yes....a marketer.

Please, open your eyes and ears. Be open minded!

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The more people in the world of audio experience improvements in their sound which they cannot explain from within conventional and acoustic theories, the more they are going to have to "think out of the box". Because "something" is going on !!!!

Then is it fair to ask your opinion why there are still so many who so vehemently refuse to even accept the idea someone else might be happy with what they think about or even go so far as to try?

We cover the same territory in each of these threads and each thread only gets so far before the thread is thrown off track by those who distract and insult the very idea that someone else might be interested in thinking - it's not even about what they might actually try. These people are making every attempt to stop not just the products or even the free suggestions from existing, they are unwilling to allow just the very thought of something they cannot conceive of or understand to be accepted by someone else. What harm do they see happening - the Republican drumbeat of higher taxes and job losses? - if I am benefitting from something other than two dozen refrigerator doors lining my listening room?

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Then is it fair to ask your opinion why there are still so many who so vehemently refuse to even accept the idea someone else might be happy with what they think about or even go so far as to try?

It ain't that, Jan.

It's an inability to accept that not every tweak is needed by every audiophile.

You yourself hate Ethan so much, you vehemently call his tweaks "refrigerator doors." Why can't you accept that his tweaks work?

Would you also take umbrage at Ethan if he claimed every audiophile needed his style of tweak and if they didn't agree there is something wrong with how they listen or perceive?

You joyfully reject Ethan's tweaks while opining that not everyone accepts the universal applicability of Belt tweaks.

Why can't May, or her sock puppets like you, accept that there are audiophiles who who are happily experiencing the same sonic pleasure that she needs coffee table creme to experience? They are all liars?

The main argument between beltists and others is the pie eyed prosyletizing that beltists do claiming they hold the keys to the kingdom, while many people are already happily inisde the gates.

That's the whole crux of it.

Not bad. Not bad at all.

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It ain't that, Jan.

Of course it is! There are two types of bigots in this world, one type is exceptionally proud of their overt bigotry and has no qualms about expressing it loudly and frequently then calling it for what it is - simple bigotry. That type enjoys being a bigot and wants everyone to know they are a bigot just as a warning to stay away. Ethan and dup were proud of what they did.

The other type is what you do here, you make personal enemies based on nothing more than your perception they think differently than you do and you ridicule them for what you see as their inability to be as advanced as you are. Then you deny your own bigotry. It's classic stuff that's played out a hundred times a day on talk radio.

None of what you posted is true. Sorry Freako. "Refrigerator door" is not my term, ask any spouse who finds a dozen or more of the 4'X8' panels lining the walls and ceilings what they would call them. I never claimed absorption doesn't "work". Please show me where you got that idea.

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Why can't May, or her sock puppets like you, accept that there are audiophiles who who are happily experiencing the same sonic pleasure that she needs coffee table creme to experience? They are all liars?

In this case, you are the liar. Please show exactly where May has said such a thing. If you cannot, then shut up.

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The main argument between beltists and others is the pie eyed prosyletizing that beltists do claiming they hold the keys to the kingdom, while many people are already happily inisde the gates.

Ain't that just like a bigot? "I'm superior to you." Done. That's all, just that simple. "I'm superior to you." "And it's your fault for being inferior to me."

I'm not interested in the games you play to keep the discussion off topic. I came here five years ago to discuss audio and, as I've said, I can barely remember the few times when that has actually been allowed on a thread such as this.

Now, Booodha!, if you care to discuss this rationally, without insults and without your evening and weekend rants, if you can do this without telling me what I think and you can confine yourself to just audio and skip the personal attacks, then I'll discuss this with you. If you just want to be an asshole to May and a bigot to everyone else you feel doesn't think in a manner you approve of, then there's no reason to continue.

I've asked you to show proof of several of your statements. If you want to discuss this, start with those.

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None of what you posted is true. Sorry Freako. "Refrigerator door" is not my term, ask any spouse who finds a dozen or more of the 4'X8' panels lining the walls and ceilings what they would call them.

Jan, dementia is a sad thing. Here's your direct quote from a few posts up this page...

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What harm do they see happening - the Republican drumbeat of higher taxes and job losses? - if I am benefitting from something other than two dozen refrigerator doors lining my listening room?

Wherever would I have heard you say "refrigerator doors?" perhaps, since you claim this was a spouse word in common parlance, you could search the forums here and find one who used that term.

Dozen or more panels?

Jan, just stop it.

Your bitchiness is reaching new peaks.

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Please show exactly where May has said such a thing. If you cannot, then shut up.

Jan if you are so unfamiliar with May's tactics, all you need to de is scan her body of work here and you will find ample "proof."

May is so threatened by anyone claiming not to need belt/Sheldrake tweaks that she just can't stand for it.

Now, Jan, this has nothing to do with bigotry. I even let Jehovah's Witnesses ring my doorbell, but that doesn't mean I'm a bigot if I don't buy the religion they are selling.

This is nothing about being 'superior.' Other than being superior to the likes of you, which is a given, this is all about some people not requiring certain listener directed tweaks. It borders on, no crosses the border, of crazy for may or her acolytes/priests/whatever persisting in claiming some universal applicability for beltism.

Who would be the bigot, the one who claims everyone needs their special brand of faith, or someone who says different strokes for different folks?

If May gets you off, good for both of you. If May's song and dance don't move you, good for you, too. Please stop with the "Belts for everybody!" bullshit, Jan.

You are just so into trying to pee in the water supply that you don't recognize taint when you see it.

Wake up.

Are you now a belt universalist?

The topic is "Controversial Tweaks." Controversial implies a lack of universality. It's the purpose of the thread. Are you calling all those people who don't own belt tweaks bigots? Are they all liars if they say the tweaks don't improve the sound of their systems? Why do you belt worshippers need to brow beat everyone into submission? EVERYONE NEEDS bELT TWEAKS?

Not gonna happen, Jan.

You aren't content that some say they benefit but others do not? Why not? Because you need remediation is no stigma. I wear glasses to read - I enjoy the effect and benefit of that tweak! It doesn't mean I will insist you need them to see the same thing or enjoy what you see as well.

Like I say to May, and she gets so angry, I don't use a hearing aid, and neither does she....yet neither of us would begrudge you using one if you felt it improved your sonic pleasure.

If someone needs shoe inserts to fix their stride, that doesn't mean you need them to walk equally well.

In Jan-World, those people who don't walk around in solidarity with reading glasses, hearing aids, shoe inserts, etc. are "bigots."

Jan-World is backward world, baby.

belt universalism is a non-starter, Jan.

My wife is the best wife there is, can't be improved upon. That doesn't mean everyone needs my wife to be equally happily married, or even has to be married, or even has to have an opposite sex life partner.

belt universalism is a losing proposition, Jan.

Other than you tossing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks, your sloganeering is tedious and tendentious.

Now, run along and find some new way to try and take things sideways. You've covered calling people who lack your religious belief "Republicans," "bigots"....what's next? We wait with bated for your next attempt to sloganize those who do not worship at your altar. Maybe you'll get lucky and Rush Limbaugh will use some terms for you to steal today.

Do you want to discuss audio or do you want to distract?

The quote you offered doesn't prove I do not believe absorption works. You lied. Nor does it prove I hate Ethan. You lied again. The term is not mine alone. You lied yet again! Dozen or more? Look at the photo of the RealTraps installation included in WP's review.

Stop with the insults, Booodha!

I didn't ask for your perception of May's "tactics", you've spewed those across the pages of this and other forums for years.

I asked you to supply exact proof of May's guilt. I see you cannot provide such proof.

Bigot? You've just proven you have no proof of your assertions, just what you "know" to be true. You've proven you lie about others with impunity. Why go to such lengths to deny it if it isn't true?

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Criticize, but not disclose. Yeah, that's credible.

I see you are absolutely incapable of discussing audio and must resort to your typical personal attacks to even stay on this forum.

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It shouldn't be hard. Be mature, respectful, thoughtful. You know: Don't be an asshole.

Apparently, for some, it is impossible.

Want to try again without the bigotry, lies and insults? I'm positive you can't do it.

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None of what you posted is true. Sorry Freako. "Refrigerator door" is not my term, ask any spouse who finds a dozen or more of the 4'X8' panels lining the walls and ceilings what they would call them. I never claimed absorption doesn't "work". Please show me where you got that idea.

That's ok.

I have never in my life claimed the frase "refrigerator door" was your invention. Neither have I ever said you didn't believe in absorption.

"Not bad. Not bad at all." was purely referring to Buddha's last paragraph. As I understand it, it has nothing to do with superiority or inferiority. It has to do with being happy the way things are. Just my 25 cents.

Please also remember that my (and every one else's I hope) agreeing or disagreeing with different opinions has nothing to do with the person who made the post, but only with the idea or opinion presented. As I do not know any persons here IRL, I can and will not take part in any crusade. Which I wouldn't IRL either BTW.

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The quote you offered doesn't suggest I do not believe absorption works. You lied. Nor does it prove I hate Ethan. You lied again. The term is not mine alone. You obfuscated. Dozen or more? Look at the photo of the RealTraps installation included in WP's review.

If the term is not yours alone, go through the forums here and pull a quote of someone esle using it.

It's OK if you disdain them, they aren't for everybody.

Speaking of Wes' review, he liked them.

"What I'm not uncertain about is that the RealTraps provided a real solution to my poorer listening room; now it's my better listening room. And I discovered that the wheat-colored RealTraps perfectly match Benjamin Moore's Linen wall paint, and so virtually disappear against the walls. Add my DIY mood lighting behind the corner MondoTraps and a few choice textiles pinned to the RFZ Panels and MiniTraps, and most visitors (okay, so I bought an air mattress

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Want to try again without the bigotry, lies and insults? I'm positive you can't do it.

Can't, can you?

So, what? this is another thing you just "know"? That I coined the phrase "refrigerator door"? How astute of you. Why not quote further into the review to show us all what WP thought of EW's personal install? Other than you just "know" I hate Ethan and you "know" I deny absorption works, why keep playing this game? It has nothing to do with my questions to you or the topic of the thread.

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Jan, please go buy a dictionary and learn what the term "bigot" means.

Oh, hell, I'll help a brother out:

"A bigot (in modern usage) is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own."

And ... ?

That definition of a bigot is what I posed as a question to May. You decided you need to defend yourself - and insult me - when I never made mention of you at all. Why bother if you didn't feel I'd hit a nerve?

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I believe some people need belt tweaks and some don't ... You and May believe everyone needs them - you two ... insist these tweaks are universal and tolerate no dissention.

So now you "know" I insist on something?! Show where either May or I have said such a thing. That's the question, Boodha!. Very simple if May is as transparent as you claim. Just show proof this is not another bigoted idea you have repeated to the point where you think it's true without any proof. Do that and then answer the other question I asked you. You've lied repeatedly and shown you are a simple minded bigot who doesn't rely on proof to "know" what you "know". Prove me wrong.

geoff, if you're that bored, I'm sure there are other threads that could use some pictures.

Jan, congrats on learning a word, but you need to master the definition.

Pick youself up from idiot level, now.

You claimed 'refrigerator doors' was a commonly used term for Ethan's tweak.

I don't believe you.

No proof on my part is required.

I'm happy to read further into Wes' review...now that we've established Wes' positive take on having all those 'refrigerator doors' ruining the look of his room.

Wes feels there can be too much of a good thing, eh?

No problem!

Now, have you ever heard May say that about adding additional belt tweaks? Any point where May says going further with more belt tweaks can cause a decline in sound quality?

She just keeps insisting that if one or several of her tweaks are not effective, the answer is more more more of the same!

You have no problem with that, either, I would wager. After all, May said it.

You are slipping into gibberish, Jan. Your white hot hatered of Ethan is eating away at your soul. You know, jan, I do believe you when you say you've heard the term 'refrigerator door' used before in this way...you aren't witty enough to come up with it on your own!

Tell me, did you get it as a talking point in your marching orders from someone? If you didn't make up the term, then it should be no problem referencing a source!

Which is it? Did you make it up yourself, or was it fed to you?

(I can tell you know you are being a dipshit because you turn on the charm in a special way when running backward.)

Clock's winding down, Jan, my experiment with giving you the credibility to read your posts again is winding down...soon, you will once again slip under the waves.

Hopefully, Clark will keep you in line.

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No proof on my part is required.

And that's the point, isn't it? You don't reqire proof of anything you claim. You just "know it". You made the accusation I invented the word, Booodha!, if you want proof I did not, you'll have to supply it. You'll have to supply proof I was the first person to ever refer to anything that size and that obtrusive as "refrigerator doors". That's the point, you can't make stupid accusations without proof. You can't just be an asshole and a bigot.

Wes didn't say why he thought EW's system was not ... "musical". It might be the $150 receiver.

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Now, have you ever heard May say that about adding additional belt tweaks? Any point where May says going further with more belt tweaks can cause a decline in sound quality?

Here's another one for you to look up, when did Ethan ever say you shouldn't have more of his product? We're compiling quite a list and you are not keeping up.

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She just keeps insisting that if one or several of her tweaks are not effective, the answer is more more more of the same!

Just show where she "insists" a user must add more. That's all you have to do, Boooodha!. How many times must I make the request? Show where I insist the devices are universal.

Prove me wrong. You can't.

More stuff you "know", eh?

As you said, Boooodha! ...

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Criticize, but not disclose. Yeah, that's credible.

Stop the insults and just answer the questions or say you cannot.

You guys disagree, and Buddha and May disagree. Could we please leave it there, and move on?

Move on to where, Freako?

This is where every thread of this sort gets bogged down in the "misrepresentations" (I'd call them outright lies) made by Booodha! May repeats and repeats the ideas over and over and Booodha! pays no heed. He's made up his mind and he's all too willing to call May a whore - be an asshole towards her. I think this is quite important and I would like Boooodha! to actually defend his statements with physical proof. If what he says is so obvious, there should be no problem doing so. So far I've shown more mirepresentations of what I have said, what I think and who I hate than Booodha! can defend. Let's see what he can actually prove. I'm tired of demands made on others and insults made towards others while he answers nothing.

No one is stopping you from starting another idea in this thread or responding to something someone else has posted.

Jan, you are circling the drain, so your time has expired.

See you next year.

*Take your pills, your blood pressure reading on the magic screen of morphic resonance says it's too high.

Buh bye.

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I really can't keep up with all this misrepresentation of what I said, what I did, what I think !!!!!!!!!
When is it going to stop, Buddha ??

Regards,
May Belt.
P.W.B. Electronics.

May, I know you may lose marketing opportunities, but you should catch up with the times.

Remediation is not a bad word.

Cheers.