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*update - no Revels for me.

I've been trying to narrow my options on my speaker upgrade for several month's, as best I could without being able to audition any decent speakers in my area.
Based on reviews and countless VERY positive forum threads and posts I'd come close to settling on the Revl Concerta 2 F36 (or possibly the F35's) as my best bet.

But then..... A member of another forum suggested I contact another member who is a rep for Monitor Audio. He told me that this member would be able to get me the Siver 500's for less than my max budget of $1500.
I looked around and didn't find much review-wise, or measurements for the 500 although the 300 was reviewed here and elsewhere and seemed to be viewed pretty favorably.

My question(s) for you guys are:

Does anyone have experience with both (or either) of these speakers?
Sound comparisons?
Strength's and weaknesses?
Anyone think the Monitor Silvers actually sound better, or equally good to the F36's?

Any other info that you think might be helpful!

I'm still leaning towards the Revels but I want to make sure that I'm not making a mistake by NOT trying to get these Monitors at that price.

Thanks a lot.

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You might contact/consult Tom

You might contact/consult Tom Norton who has reviewed the F36 and the Silver 500. Perhaps at https://www.soundandvision.com/category/ask-sv

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Great Advice

Kal has provided great advice here, as usual. He is definitely the expert, as is Tom Norton. However, since you asked and since I've spent serious seat time with both the Monitor Audio you mention, here's my two cents: I've not heard the Revel Concerta2. I have the Revel Performa3 F206 and love them. (More good advice from Kal and Tom! Thanks again, guys!) I spent about 2 hours A/B'ing the Monitor Audio Silver 300 and 500. They are both outstanding speakers. However, I auditioned them with a Classe Delta amp & preamp stack. That is a lot of high end horse power! The MA are efficient 8 ohm nominal load speakers and will likely play very nicely with less power & current. The 300 and 500 are, IMO, essentially the same speaker but the 500 will go just a tad lower in the bass department; very negligibly so... like, if I recall correctly, only 2 Hz. If that's important to you then go with the 500, especially at the price you mention. In my neck of the woods, you can't touch a pair of MA500 for under $2,500.00. The 300 are very nearly as proficient. The Concerta2 are a 6 ohm nominal load 2.5 way design. Many people prefer 2.5 way designs over 3 way bass reflex designs. Although relatively efficient, the Concerta2 will likely need more current than the MA to bring out their best. I would recommend that you seriously consider the quality of the power supply of whatever amp you will be using and by power supply I mean current; not just the watts. Watts doesn't tell the whole story. Depending upon your amp, comparatively speaking, you may find the Monitor Audio are the better choice. I would love to hear/read what Kal & Tom have to say about that.

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Wall Space For Concerta and MA

Old Audiophile summarizes perfectly. Only factor I might add is how mush space is behind the speakers and to the sidewalls. Could MA 500 get a little boomy if space constrained at the rear port?

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My Amp...

FYI - I'll be running these with my newish class D amp based on the Hypex NC502MP module.

Max ouput power: 2x450W(2Ω), 2x500W (4Ω), 2x350W (8Ω)
Distorsion THD + N: 0,0018%
SNR 116
Maximum output current 27A

2 channel at the moment but I'll be adding another module (2 more channels) when money allows.
I believe my amp should be good to go with most speakers on the market.

My room is approx 10 x 20. Speakers will be on the short wall. One side opens into a kitchen area and the other has a wall about 2 ft away. I'm planning to attempt some room treatment later but 1st things 1st :)

Thanks again for yalls feedback.

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MA 500 Clarification

I heard the MA 500 (sharp looking speaker) 3 years ago with my wife through a Moon by Simaudio stack. Treble and midrange were good but it was a little boomy. Heard it again several months ago at the same store out from the front wall about 28 inches through a Classe Delta stack. Sounded good with no boom. Feel like it would do a very good job with just a little speaker placement tinkering. Probably could do very well with the Revel Concerta as well but haven't listened to it.

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Go For Full Range

My second experience with the MA Silver 500 is the better and more reliable experience to go by. After a couple of days of thinking about it. I would go with the MA 500, especially for a ridiculous $1,500. If your budget is firmly $1,500-2,000 this is the way to go. Speaking strictly for myself it is what I would do. Having said that, the Revel Performa3 F206 is well worth hurting severely to obtain. Other Audiophiles mileage may vary. But as a fellow owner of the Athena AS-F2 I’ve come to expect decent bass performance in a speaker. I personally consider a speaker to start to be full range when it can get decently below 40 hz. If it can’t, it can be a very nice speaker but it is not a full range speaker. The Concerta does not. The MA 500 approaches or equals the Concerta in treble and midrange but handily bests it at bass capabilities. Once you get used to a judicious amount of bass lending weight and authority to lower octaves, you immediately notice when the bass is merely polite. For some. Including a subwoofer at all times might work, but I prefer a speaker that can handily stand on it’s own two feet at full range. Since many Audiophiles eschew a subwoofer, bass capability below 40 hz becomes even more important. I seem to recall Herb Reichert commenting about how he missed the bass after reviewing a speaker and going bac

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MA 500

Thanks for the additional feedback @BluesDog. I've been using my Athenas sans sub because they DO go pretty low (30's). I actually have the Athena AS(P-400?) sub but have used it rarely as I just havent needed it.

I might miss the additional (low) bass with the Revels (using no sub).

I assume you're basing your comment "approaches or equals the Concerta in treble and midrange" on reviews(?) since you say you havent listened to the concertas?

I WISH I could find a way to afford the Revel Performa3 F206. Unfortunately I'm pretty poverty stricken. If the GOV could kick us another "stimulus" check that might bump me into a slightly higher $ bracket but I doubt thats going to happen.

Any opinions on KEF q750's compared to these? Seems like the KEF Q line is being sold at pretty deep discounts lately at Crutchfield and others.
Thx

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Concertas

I hear ya about funding constraints. I feel that money is not the root of all evil, LACK of money is. I have not heard the Concertas. I have had to base my opinion not just on reviews but in comparing the specs of the Concerta compared to the F206 (which I HAVE heard.). Seems to be higher by 8 db in bass at –3, -6 and –10. That seems enough for me to feel not quite enough bass.

I sometimes use an SVS SB-2000 on some music but definitely for home theater. I can’t help but think you will be using the Athena sub more often with the Concerta. While it is true that a lot of music only barely goes at or below 40hz, there is plenty of music that does. And you don’t want the feeling of a speaker barely getting there or unable to. To show a song where you WOULD enjoy your sub, try Jesse Cook’s Double Dutch with and without the sub.

I hope to upgrade from the Athenas myself but I don’t want to give up quality bass for improved treble and midrange. One inexpensive thing I did recently for the Athenas may hugely help you. I tried Monoprice 12 gauge speaker wire (compared to Monster 16 gauge.) The difference was impressive. I was quite pleased. Took the tip from a Wired magazine article about Best Speaker wire. Greatly improved the upper air and midrange extension while tightening up the bass. And yes I WAS hearing things I didn’t before (or at least became more distinct) such as cymbals and more secondary instruments.

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no Monitors

Well, I contacted the guy on another forum who is a rep for Monitor Audio. Contrary to what his friend had told me he CAN'T get the Silver 500's for 1500. More like 1750 + 275 shipping. Thats probably still a good deal but more than I had budgeted.

So for now I'm back to the Revels (concerta f35/36) and ?
I may wind up having to save more $ but one thing I intend to do is contact Revel dealers to see if I can negotiate prices lower than msrp.

Anyone got a Revel dealer friend who might work with me on some prices?

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Bud!

Bud! Seriously! 1750 + 275 shipping is one heck of a great deal for new MA Silver 500! Those retail for 2750, new, in my neck of the woods. With some wheelin' & dealin', you might be able to get 'em for 2500 around here but not much less, I don't think. Those are fantastic speakers. IMO, you're not going to get much, if any, better sound quality than those for under 3 grand, new. When I was shopping around for my most recent upgrade, I did serious seat time with around 18 different pairs of speakers. Those and the MA Silver 300 were about the best I heard when I had set my budget at no more than 2500. Eventually, I decided to up my budget another grand because I wanted something significantly better than my old Paradigm Monitor 9. The MA Silver 300 and 500 were a tad better than my Paradigm, for sure, my ears thought, but I wanted something SIGNIFICANTLY better. I wanted a "wow" moment. So, I had to up my budget another grand to get that. The 300 were/are very, very close in performance to the 500. Depending upon your room acoustics, placement, etc. the 300 might be all you need, indeed, maybe even better than the 500, if you can get those in your budget range. I'm not familiar with your amp; so, I can't say how well they or any other speakers, for that matter, would match or fit. On specs alone, your amp seems to have a lot of muscle. As such, do you really want to scrimp on the business end of any sound system... the speakers? If you absolutely can't or won't breach your budget, I respect that. I wish I had that kind of discipline when it comes to shopping for audio toys! I haven't heard any speakers under 2 grand, lately, but here are a few brand names that I would trust by virtue of having heard their more expensive brethren: PSB (if you like the MA and the Revel sound, you'll probably like PSB); Klipsch; Wharfedale; SVS (well reviewed); MA Bronze line; DT (well reviewed powered speakers); MA Silver 200; GoldenEar? All I can think of right now. Good luck! Let us know how you make out. I'm really curious.

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Yea, but

i can definitely see the bargain with the Monitors but because he's a freelance rep of some kind there's no tryout period. All sales final. No returns. Although the Monitor warranty would be valid.

That's just too much money, for me at least, to chance on an all sale final situation.
Too many other dealers offer tryout periods with reasonable shipping to return/exchange. And I have seen many threads on various forums saying many of the dealer reps can/will negotiate at least to some degree on prices.

So what I intend to do once I identify some final contenders is a) find dealer/s that carry the models I'm interested in (and have them in stock). b) contact the sales dept and see if there's any wiggle room on prices. I've got a list of revel dealers. I'll contact them all, for instance, and say whats the rock bottom best deal you can give me? And I'll let them know I'm also checking with all their competitors. And then we'll see what happens.

I've got a sinking feeling that my budget might have to be increased to 1500-2000 though. Geez, I started at $600-800 budget a few weeks ago. lol

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Reasonable Plan

I hear 'ya, dude! I've always established what I thought was an ironclad budget before shopping for audio toys and always, always ended up spending more. That's never changed. It's like going to the grocery store but instead of shopping for food you are shopping for the soul.

If you can, do some critical listening under controlled circumstances before you pull the trigger. Most, if not all, shops that I've had experience with over the years will even let you bring in your amp. This all sales are final business sounds fishy, to me, no matter what kind of a deal you're getting. You're better off dealing with a local shop that can provide good, solid guidance and has a return policy. A shop may even have some aggressively discounted demos they'd be willing to part with. I bought my old Paradigm Monitor 9 as demos. If I recall correctly, I think they were retailing for something like $800 a pair in those days (2000) and I got 'em for $600. Eight hundred bucks in 2000 would be around 15 or 16 hundred bucks in today dollars. One advantage of buying demo speakers from a reputable shop is that good shops take good care of their stuff and demo speakers are already broken in. So, I would never be averse to buying demo speakers or most other equipment, for that matter, from a good reputable shop. They have no incentive is seeing you come back with a defective product(s). They also have no incentive in selling you something new that they think you may not like when you get it home.

Keep the faith, baby! Dying to know what you end up buying and how you like it. Keep checking in & good luck!

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No Local shops

Unfortunately there is only one hifi specialist shop within hundreds of miles of me so I won't be able to audition them in shop. Thats one of the reasons I would rather deal with reputable online dealers that allow 30-60 days try out with reasonable or free return shipping.

So now I'm looking at a few other models (reading reviews and looking for testing data) with an increase in budget to 2k.

At the moment I'm looking closely at these 3 models. All 3 seem to be in the same approximate price range, are well reviewed by many sources etc..

Focal Chora 826
Revel f36 (still the leading contender by a hair)
Monitor Audio Silver 300

I'll be adding more when/if I find what I consider to be contenders.

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SVS Prime Pinnacle

Haven't heard these but they are only $1,600 with free shipping and a generous return policy. They have received good overall reviews but are not what many Stereophile readers look at.

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I've looked at those.

The SVS models doe get plenty of good reviews but I've left them out of my consideration cause they arent as universally acclaimed by reviewers as models from Revel, Monitor, and Focal (among others).

I think they use polypropylene cones for their bass drivers which I've been listening to for 20 years - hoped to get something different driver wise. Not a fan of the look either.

Definitely thx for the idea-suggestion tho.

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Here's an idea!

Swampbrain, BTW, I love the monkey! Yeah; not having, at least, a few good audio shops around is a real drag. That's precisely why I believe in supporting local shops as much as possible, if possible.

Just thought of this and don't know if it might be helpful but I believe Crutchfield has a way for customers to do sound comparisons of equipment they are interested in if they have a pair of headphones. It's some kind of online thing. Got headphones? If not, could you borrow a pair? While it's not the same as listening in person, under real circumstances, as long as you can listen with a good pair of headphones that might give you a little insight into the different sound signatures of different speakers. I've not done a lot of business with Crutchfield but I have bought a fair amount of stuff from Music Direct and Audio Advisor. I've found their techs & sales people generally provide good advice and guidance. Similar to local audio shops, they also have no incentive in recommending something for you that they think you might not like and send back. So, you might want to talk with someone at an online seller like this, describe your system, your listening room, room acoustics, etc. and explain exactly what you are trying to achieve. I was doing some back & forth with someone on this forum who was also looking for a new pair of speakers and had a friend who works at Music Direct. His or her friend made some very good recommendations based upon his/her circumstances, equipment and desires. I was curious to hear back about what s/he eventually bought but s/he never posted back. Probably having too much fun listening to his/her new speakers. Good luck, bud!

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Black MA Silver 10's Bargain

Your amp would nee to be stout for 4 ohm speakers but the enclosed might work if you carefully study their return policy, warranty, etc. They are initially listed for $899 apiece but the site is offering 10% off. This means $1620 and free shipping. Maybe even no tax. Tom Norton has owned these speakers for years.
https://www.hideflifestyle.com/products/monitor-audio-silver-series-10-3-way-floorstanding-speaker-each-black-oak?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0uWYvqb75AIVUl8NCh1wzwJSEAQYASABEgK72PD_BwE

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@OldAudiophile , I did see that on Crutchfield and I do have my trusty Grado's but I'd have to drag my old AVR out of the closet and hook it up to have a headphone jack to use. Not too sure how much help that would be considering it'd
be speakers being recorded then replayed thru the headphones. Thanks for the suggestions tho!

@BluesDog - still considering the Monitor Audio models but the way things stand right now I'm pretty zoomed in on the -----------------

Revel F36
Focal Chora 826

I'm hoping I can get one of the above in the 1600-1800 range after talking with some sales peeps.
I'm also hoping I can get the funds collected by the 1st of Feb so I don't have to save/wait another month.

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For What It's Worth...

For what it's worth, I did some serious seat time A/B'ing Monitor Audio 500, Monitor Audio 300 and Focal Aria 926. In my ears' opinion (frankly, all of this is based upon my ears' opinion, of course), I found both the MA just a half hair more accurate and lower reaching in the bass department; also, a half hair tighter & faster, as well. Midrange and high frequency response for all of these was exceptionally good. The focal might have been just a little sweeter & slightly more forward but, really, negligibly so. If I remember correctly, the MA have rear-firing ports and the Focal have bottom firing ports. So, as with all speakers, you should give careful consideration to their design relative to room placement issues. The only thing I distinctly remember the Focal doing a tiny bit better is reproducing the sound of brushes on cymbals and, again, this was ever so slightly better; you know, that half hair measure. If I hadn't been in critical listening mode, as opposed to just listening for pleasure mode, I'm sure I would have easily missed this.

Now, how this might relate, if at all, to the Focal and Revel models you are zoomed in on I can't say, of course, because I haven't heard either one. However, what I can say is that I was pleasantly surprised by the bass response of the Revel Performa3 F206 when I auditioned them at the audio shop. I had already done my homework on them, knew their specs, their design and wasn't expecting their bass response would be as good as it was. I was and continue to be even more surprised that their bass response is even better in my living room, in comparison to a very respectable audio shop listening room. We used the same amp at the audio that I have at home. The only difference was the CD player used in the audition. Mine, a Marantz CD6005, is about half the price of the one we used at the audio shop. Can't remember, for sure, but I think that was a Rega Apollo. I'm sure the acoustic properties of my living room have everything to do with this but I'm still amazed. Just goes to show that specs, especially speaker specs, tell you very little.

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Think I've finalized my choice

Thanks so much for your input fellas. I think I'm going to go with the Revels (f36).

They are universally praised by reviewers and especially by people who have purchased them. I haven't found 1 person who purchased them who has buyers remorse and I think the black on black will look best in my space. I'll supplement the low end with my old faithful Athena AS-p400 sub when/if needed. I also like the Revel (Harmon) approach to design, testing, etc..

I figure if I get something else in the same price range I'll always be wondering if I should have gotten the f36's instead anyway.

Wish me luck!

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You go, Swampy!

We're happy for you and wishing you the best. A move by one is a movve by all. Let us know how things g after you unleash them in your home.

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Thanks man!

I'll be sure to let u guys know my opinion/impressions when I've gotten them and had a little time to check them out.

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COOL!

Congrats! I've read a few reviews of the F36. Sounds like you've made an excellent choice! Give your new babies plenty of break-in time before passing final judgement. I'm just shy of 80 hours with my F206 and they just keep sounding better and better every time I play them. The first 10 hours was a little disconcerting and had me wondering. The next 10 was reassuring. The 30 or 40 hour point is where the magic really started to happen and all reservations and second thoughts about any possibility of sending them back vanished completely. Reviews of the F206 indicate that 100 to 120 hours break-in is about right for them. Might be different for the F36. Don't know. For the F206, the salesperson and articles I read advised to take it a little easy with the volume levels during the break-in period before really rocking them out. However, other articles I read and even some major speaker manufacturers say this is completely unnecessary. I decided to play it safe with my babies by keeping the gain on my MAC under about 42% for the first 10 to 20 hours, or so. Then, I gradually crept up to a limit of 45% to 47% until I reached about 70 hours. Now, I'm comfortable that 50% is OK and sometimes creep up to 51% and 52%, depending on the quality of the recordings in question. That is plenty loud with my MAC but I've been known to reach 55% with some recordings when I'm in the mood. Based upon my experience, something tells me I've probably been overly cautious & conservative. In any case, if your experience with the F36 is anything like mine with the F206, you will find yourself paying more attention to liner notes and/or who the recording & mixing engineers are for various recordings. The F206 are very revealing speakers; not mercilessly so but they do reveal poorly recorded and engineered performances. My guess is the F36 will probably do the same. That's what good speakers should do. ENJOY!

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Thanks Old Audiophile!

I'll be sure to give em plenty of time before passing final judgement. I really think (unless all the these speaker reviewers and people who have purchased and posted their impressions aren't to be believed) that I've made the best choice I could considering my price constraints. I hopefully optimistic that these speakers are going to give me the best sound I've had up til now along with my other recent upgrades to my chain (Topping D70bt DAC and my Hypex amp).

My next speakers (assuming I live long enough and don't win the lottery) will be ones I build. I've got a lot of ideas for designs incorporating High Quality drivers that I'm hoping might compete with MUCH HIGHER priced mass produced speakers. Don't know diddly squat about crossovers etc yet but I've always been pretty good at tracking down info and learning on my own so we'll see.

Right now I'm definitely excited about the Revels!!!

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Hey, Bud!

Just thought of this & thought I'd pass it along in case it makes a difference with the Revel you are considering. As I indicated earlier, my F206 performed considerably better in bass response at the audition than I ever expected, based upon their specs. At the audition, they were not on spikes in a sound room with wall-to-wall carpet. I thought this might have had something to do with the bass response I heard but was still surprised they were not boomie, not even in the slightest. I wondered what I would hear in my living room, which also has wall-to-wall carpet. I fully expected I'd probably have to use the spikes at some point during the break-in period. I'm at the 80 hour mark with my babies, so far, probably 20 to 40 hours short of full break-in and the bass response I'm getting is still crisp, clean, fast, clear, accurate and a heck of a lot lower reaching than I ever thought possible, given their specs; not boomie in the slightest. In fact, they sound better in my home than they did at the audio shop! I'm sure my unique room acoustics has a lot to do with this. As such, if you get the Revel you have in mind, I encourage you to start out without the spikes and put a good amount of listening time on them to hear what happens. You may be pleasantly surprised.

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Theres been a delay

Friggin forum logged me out after I wrote a long post detailing the delay in getting my speakers, reason for it, plans for the future etc etc but it was lost when I tried to preview it. Argh.

Long story short. I spent $900 of my 2k on an impulsive surprise birthday present (65" TV) for my best friend/ex/landlord (its complicated as they say) and I'm going to have to replace that and then some to be back where I was 2 days ago. Might take a little while but hopefully not too long.

I'm excited to see her reaction when it gets here.

I'll also be excited when I get my speaker $ in order again :)

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Life Happens!

Well, 'dems 'da breaks! Who knows? By the time you get ready to pull the trigger again, maybe there'll be some new products to choose from. Good luck!

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Hypex NCore Amp?

Is this one of the ATI 527NC? Thought it would be good to step away from Mike Gough's thread.

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Amp

My amp is built by "Buckeye" Amps. Kind of a DIY turned business for him. The amps themselves are based on the Hypex NC502MP (2 x 500W @4 ohm/2 x 350 @8ohm) and NC252MP (2 x 250W @4ohm/2 x 150W @8ohm) modules.

The amps he makes are devoid of bells and whistles. Simple case, no dials or meters..... just clean power and a power button on the rear. :)
Interior wiring is very well done. He even agreed to put my 2 channel module in a case meant for 4 channels and pre-wired the innards so I can pick up another NC502MP and drop it in when I have the need and $399.
He builds up to 6-8 channel amps.

VERY reasonable prices, good communication. My guess is these amps will measure and sound as good as any hypex based amp including those from well known and respected audio companies who'd charge 1000's more.

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Good To Know

Good To Know. Thanks, Swampy!

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Curious mr “old”
What do you drive your f206’s with?

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For gwb...

Mcintosh MA5200. It's rated at 100 watts into 8 ohms. MAC doesn't provide a 4 ohm rating for it. Most of the reviews I read of the 5200 insinuated it probably delivers more juice than that. I read some independent bench testing reports indicating it delivers closer to 130 watts into 8 ohms and somewhere between 180 to 204 watts into 4 ohms. When I auditioned the F206 I did so with a McIntosh MA5300, the updated version of the 5200. Pretty much the same amp.

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Thanks!

Thanks!
Music Hall doesn’t provide info for Maven at 4ohms either, just 100w at 8 ohms.
Thinking I’m going to be ok as is with the f206’s and the Maven. If not as we all know the upgrade path is a slippery slope

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I always recommend folks do critical listening of components they're interested in under controlled conditions prior to making a decision, if at all possible. Controlled conditions being: with equipment as similar to yours as possible, in listening rooms as similar to yours acoustically and in dimensions, as possible. Keep in mind that speakers will sound different under your roof than they do in a shop's sound room and new speakers will need some break-in time to sound their best; some more than others. Make sure the shop or seller you buy them from has a healthy return-time policy in case what you buy doesn't measure up to your expectations when you get it home. The F206 are an efficient 8 ohm nominal load design. I'm not familiar with your amp/receiver but, judging from its specs, it seems like it would pair well with the F206 or just about any 8 ohm speaker. Less than an 8 or 6 ohm design, however, would be another story. In the F206 price range there are other choices that might appeal to your ears as much or maybe even more. More than virtually any other component, speakers are a very subjective or personal choice. Always let your ears be your guide. Good luck!

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gwb72tii wrote:
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Thanks!
Music Hall doesn’t provide info for Maven at 4ohms either, just 100w at 8 ohms.
Thinking I’m going to be ok as is with the f206’s and the Maven.

AFAIK, it has never been tested independently.

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Quick Update.

Thought I'd pop in and give you guys a quick update.
I've decided to NOT pursue the Revels (or focals, or monmitor audios)

After looking and looking and reading and reading I've decided to build my own (custom kit).

I think it represents my best chance at getting the highest fidelity for my money.

3 way compact tower.
2 x Purifi 6.5" woofers
1 x Satori 2.5" midrange
1 x Bliesma 25mm BE tweeter.

I priced the drivers. By themselves they cost more than the completed F36's I was originally wanting.
I know Harmon Group has a lot more resources to do measurements and tweak their designs but I'm excited about the possibilities in making my own. I hope to get comparable sound/performance to commercial speakers costing twice as much but more will be revealed.

Crossovers are being designed and assembled by the kit maker so the biggest piece for me is building a NICE cabinet and putting it all together.

Should be getting all the parts in 1st of next month.

Wish me luck and keep safe!

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Good luck!

Hey if that’s what floats your boat and makes you happy...I get it. It’s not about us...It’s about you and what makes you happy.

Not gonna lie...save yourself the hassle and buy the Revels lol...even the F36. Trust me!

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Kal's Advice

I respect your decision to explore building your own stuff. I also think you should take Kal's advice (we'd be fools not to) and seek input from Thomas Norton who has reviewed the Focals and the MA's. For that matter he might have some insights about your speaker build. This all seems like a very good thing to have in your back pocket. I would also tell Thomas what you are using now for him to also consider.

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No offense but

I've done a LOT of research on this.
While I respect Revel (MA, Focal) and think they make VERY good speakers. If I had 10k or so I'd buy a pair of Revel F328BE's and call it a day BUT that's not the case.

I also truly think with a talented designer handling the crossover and overall design, using much better drivers, a well constructed non resonant cabinet etc - (the basic building blocks of speaker design) and some effort that I can own a speaker thats equal or superior in some cases to speakers that were never on my list cause they were too much $$$$.

I expect a certain amount of skepticism, esp on sterophile, to a DIY speaker purchase but l'm feeling really confident that my finished speakers will be comparable to Revels higher end speakers = PerformaBE and considerably better than their lower tier models including the f35's f206's I was previously hoping for.

Yes, I expect to build/own speakers that compete with 5-10 thousand dollars for WAY less.

I wouldn't bet against me :)

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You Go, Swampy!

You got the will and you got the skill! What can top the panache of a product "Built By Swampy." Rooting for you. Let us know how it goes and what you learned.

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Thanks a lot.

Appreciate the encouragement @BluesDog
Between the designer and me I'm pretty sure we'll put together something I'll be happy with.
I'm stubborn, determined, fairly intelligent and an expert on researching/learning things on my own while weeding out the bullshit. I'm also a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to my stuff.

It might be awhile before I have a lot to report back but I definitely will when they're done.
I won't get the kit parts til after April 1 (waiting on more money)

Keep safe brothers

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Hey Swampy!

I just read this and thought of you. In this odd world of social media where it’s so easy to be a jerk...I’d rather live supporting people and what makes them happy. In this case... you may like this read! Good luck and keep us posted on your progress with “Swampenstein”!

Are You Ready to Build Your Own Loudspeakers?"

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Thanks for the link @Dorsia777.
I should have the kit paid for and on the way by monday or tuesday of next week.
Then its a matter of choosing material for the cabinets (leaning towards baltic birch over mdf or a combo of the 2), constructing them, stain, paint or veneer, install drivers, crossovers etc. etc etc

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