You get an A for persistence. As does your hardon.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

Seems pretty weird for a grown man to go after me so persistently and without abate. What's it been - a year? As I told Toledo a year ago this will be fun but I didn't say for whom. Thanks for being the straight man all this time. I can't say it hasn't been fun for me. Schedule a visit with Dr. Ruth or Dr. Phil, maybe they can help sort it out for you. I'm guessing you sublimated listening for sex, but what do I know? Lol Frankly I'd prefer to talk about high end audio. If you have anything to say on that subject, which I seriously doubt, I'm all ears. I'm pretty sure your problem is you're out of ammo and you painted yourself into a very small corner.

But have a nice day anyway,

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
Advanced Audio Conceits

Take note of Geoffy's pattern... Read carefully all of Geoffy's exchanges with posters here and other forums around the internet. Whenever posters ask about or take issue with Geoffy, he turns those questions and issues around and accuses the poster of the same. Geoffy often refers to alcohol/ medication use, sexual dysfunction, intellectual deficiencies, inconsistencies with facts and truth, etc.
Whenever he is questioned about his posts, he constantly replies with insults, cartoons, and often refers those issues (as above) noted in his posts back to others. Even using the exact same words of other posters. As illustrated above, Geoffy bats 100%.

May said:-

>>> “I have told you repeatedly that I prefer not to abuse the courtesy which Stereophile has extended to manufacturers being able to participate in the discussions groups and that I prefer to follow the guidelines (rules for manufacturers) as used by the Audio Asylum chat forum." <<<

Mg:-

>>> “Incase you haven't noticed this forum is called Stereophile. AA is not a magazine,

May.” <<<

Yes, Michael, I know AA is not a magazine. But their guidelines for manufacturers are good, general guidelines for any manufacturer, anywhere to follow. Why would I show far more disrespect for Stereophile by constantly ‘posting about our own products’ than I would for Audio Asylum ?

May :-
>>> “I have explained that we are DOING, constantly, and WHY I don’t post such." <<<

Mg :-

>>> “Well that's just stupid May. Why come to a forum to not post. "WHY I don't post such", really? And why are you here again? Oh, your here on a post driven forum, not to post, oh we get it now, "it's all one big mystery". <<<

You really love twisting people’s words around, don’t you ? I explained why I don’t “post about” our actual products !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I suspect that is also the reason why other manufacturers don’t post about THEIR actual products either. Yes, I have seen other manufacturers participate in the Stereophile Forum but NOT in order to advertise their products. Perhaps they also prefer to abide by the general ‘guidelines for manufacturers’ like I do. I don’t see such as Ted Denney pushing his Schuman Resonance device or his tiny Synergistic ART devices constantly on the Stereophile Forum as “necessary devices for producing good sound”. Nor do I see such as George Louis pushing his UltraBit Platinum Plus liquid. Nor do I see Holger Stein pushing his Maestro lacquer or his Harmonizers. Nor do I see Ed Meitner pushing his cryogenic treatments. Nor do I see the manufacturer of the Furutech demagnetiser pushing their product. Nor do I see the manufacturer of the Shakti Stone device pushing their device. And so on !!

All of these products, because of their effect on the sound, have made many people aware that, regarding getting good sound, all is not well with both the audio equipment and with the listening environment. So, in my opinion, these products are JUST as important for people to be aware of regarding trying to get good sound, as any of your techniques you post about !!!!!!

But I DO see you Michael, a manufacturer, pushing endlessly your techniques and devices as ‘THE answer’ in the Stereophile Forum in the guise of “assisting people to get good sound”. The manufacturers I have listed (and many others not listed) have produced devices and techniques which ALSO ‘assist people to get good sound’ but who do not abuse Stereophile’s provision of a participating chat forum.

If the subject for discussion is going to be “assisting people to get good sound”, then these other techniques and devices I have listed warrant equal inclusion in any discussion regarding obtaining good sound.

I have seen you, in the past, pick one or more of those devices and techniques listed and take an opportunity to introduce them into your various paragraphs saying. ‘Oh, yes, have tried this (???) and there appeared to be an initial improvement in the sound but some time later I decided that the sound was ‘too fixed’ for me so decided to remove it (the device) or stop doing the technique’ !! THAT is the technique you use to pooh pooh any other device or technique which has not come from ‘your stable’.

Logic alone coupled with other’s positive experiences says that many (if not all) of the things I have listed – even in a ‘fixed’ position - will give improvements in the sound. And, therefore, should be considered EQUALLY as any ‘variable’ technique.

Regards,
May Belt,
PWB Electronics.

More lies and angst not to mention obsessive compulsive behavior from Pretty Boy. I suppose this was bound to happen what with listening to music 24/7. Michael is the poster boy for Audio Nervosa. I see a rehab in your future. Hope they have some good deprogrammers there.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

It's amazing to me why people get so uptight and angry about audio. I guess it's because they don't have a real life and listen to music 24/7. Don't they realize how neurotic that is? That's a rhetorical question, no need to respond.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

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I never said I wasn't a troll, pretty boy. Don't act so surprised. Deal with it. And stop stalking me.

Have a nice hair day,

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

You're actually too dumb to be able to figure out our agendas, pretty boy. As for your agenda to collect young gullible audiophiles here and wisk them off to a life of Audio Nervosa at Club Meds, you're busted!

Geoff Kait
Machina Dramatica

Populating the world with even more people who scorn and despise you, that's quite a hobby, Geoffy!

Do you have any real friends?

Google search "Geoff Kait, Machina Dynamica".

Not everyone treats me scornfully and despises me, pinhead. Only a selected few pinheads such as yourself. I do not suffer pinheads gladly.

I will be standing by patiently for your next whine.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

Or did she turn her back on you too?

At least my mother doesn't wear combat boots, like yours.

Have a nice pinhead day.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

...wear bright pink polyester pant suits?

No wonder you're the way you are!

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Michael, here's a news flash for you. It's not how long you listen to music every day. It's not about the size of your system or the size of your room. It's not about how much you work. If it was we'd all be millionaires. It's not even about how thin your cables are. It's not about how much your system weighs. And it's not about how real your system sounds to you. It's not about how well or how convincingly you think you can describe the sound of your system on audio forums. All these things are irrelevant. See of you can guess what the important thing actually is. Go ahead, I bet you can't.

Extra credit: is it possible to design an atomic bomb without having an actual atomic bomb to look at and copy? Or without being able to test it?

Geoff Kait
Machina Dramatica

Micheal & All:

For all of the times you ask other people what kind of stereo equipment they have, maybe set the example and list the exact components you prefer the most right now. I am aware you have multiple systems..maybe just describe your favorite. If we do that, it may make it easier for other people to chime in.

In fact, maybe a thread could be started depending on interest.

However, if I list my stereo components again, people may puke I've listed parts of it here and there for various reasons in various posts soo often. lol.
Nevertheless, for the sake of brevity, I'll list the latest incarnation as a post script, with some brief notes describing my favorite components.

I truly wish many many more people would share their systems here.. and their reasoning behind the choices, etc... this is Stereophile after all.. a magazine dedicated to the pursuit of all things audiophile!

Listen On,

Ron

Creek Evolution 50A Integrated
Bryston BDA-1 Balanced DAC
M2TECH HiFACE TWO USB/SPDIF converter
Rega RP-1 Turntable with Ortofon Red 2M
Vincent PHONO-8 phono stage
Epos Epic 2 Book Shelf speakers
Epos Epic Stands
Bowers & Wilkins ASW CM10 Subwoofer
NAD 516BEE CD Transport
Apple Macbook Air for digital file server
AudioQuest cabling for speaker cables and analogue interconnects.

This is roughly a stereo for a 10k budget. It also handles Analogue and Digital. I would label it as British Mid-Fi to be absolutely honest.
While it is not Hi-Fi..a component or two are..and it truly brings me hours of joy every week and I love this hobby. It's good clean fun.

I believe my very best components and favorites are the Bryston BDA-1 DAC ..which received an A rating in stereophile, and retails for $2400 with remote. I bought one used on Audiogon for $750. My reasoning behind choosing this DAC is that it is fully balanced with balanced outputs. It also accepts a plethora of standard interfaces...I chose BNC.

I also just recently added a good quality sub...it really rounds out my sound and makes my system truly full-range. (the B&W ASW CM10)..It reatails for $1500-$1800, I snagged one on clearance for $600, the best audio bargain I have had to date and includes a 5 year warranty!! :)

Mg :-

>>> “I can't comprehend being on Stereophile without a stereo. I've asked May about this several times and her answer is "it's against the rules", pointed me to the rules, I read them, and they said nothing about May can't talk about her stereo. I saw where Stereophile doesn't want their pages to look like an ad with product pics all over the place and ad copy,” <<<

You are at it again, Michael. Distorting what I actually said. Will you stop doing it.

Mg:-
>>> “If you or her don't want to be quoted, maybe you shouldn't talk so much is all I can think off.” <<<

I am not worried about my words being quoted providing my words are quoted correctly and not constantly distorted and misrepresented by you.

I didn’t answer “it’s against the rules” to ‘talk about our stereo !! I ACTUALLY said :-

>>> “read Ariel Bitran’s “Note to manufacturers”.

“The Stereophile forum is not to be used by manufacturers as a pulpit to promote their products or discredit the products of others.” <<<

I see, Michael, you have just done what Stereophile asks manufacturers ‘not to do’. In a reply on the Mu Metal section you have used that opportunity to ‘promote’ one of YOUR products !!

YES. We do have a stereo system. We have had an audio system since mono days (since before stereo and when there were only valves – no transistors)!! We have had an audio system for over 60 years !!

However, the audio system we have now and use for most of our listening experiments is, in my opinion, only part of OUR whole emphasis.

Let me explain more fully – and I hope my explanation is not, yet again, distorted by you Michael for your own purposes. Such as your comment that I am on the Stereophile forum, discussing audio and listening to music matters, without a stereo system. Just because I don’t list what actual equipment it is. It is not necessary for me to list it – in order to prove that I have considerable knowledge about sound and listening to music.

During our listening experiments, when we find something which gives us further ‘sound’ improvements, what is extremely important is NOT only what can give improvements to our OWN stereo system but that any technique we discover HAS TO be able to improve other people’s stereo systems – not just ours !! So, to write about some technique or device which has improved OUR sound system is, in my opinion, a narrow approach. A technique or device we find which can improve OUR sound system, is sent out to (and I am not exaggerating) 100s of other people – to experiment with on THEIR stereo systems !! It is what works for those, other people, which is important – not just what works on our own sound system.

At the same time as sending others devices and techniques which we find improves the sound to try on their own system, any other audio equipment which we come into contact with (i.e. can borrow to experiment with - say from friends and family) is transient equipment so is not really OUR sound system. Meaning that additional equipment, to experiment on, comes and goes quite quickly. In fact, in my opinion, it IS more important to be experimenting with other equipment than with just ours alone !!

I am sure, that like you, any Brand name equipment we might be using has been extensively ‘treated’ by us – so the original Brand name of the equipment is no longer valid – because it is really no longer just that basic Brand !! Our equipment is a PWB ‘treated’ amplifier, PWB ‘treated’ CD player, PWB ‘treated’ MP3 player, PWB ‘treated’ turntable, pick up arm and cartridge, PWB ‘treated’ speakers and they are STILL being further ‘treated’ – on a regular basis. Plus existing PWB ‘treated’ audio equipment owned by other members of our family (we have a large family) where experimentation with that equipment is also still continued !!

It is not specifically what we can do with our own stereo equipment, it is what numerous other people can do to improve the sound of THEIR equipment and THEIR listening environment using our techniques and devices.

Mg:-

>>> “I don't know one designer on this entire planet that doesn't show their system at either trade shows” <<<

You so obviously don’t know our history – as you have claimed previously that you DO. We have exhibited at many Hi Fi shows in the past. Peter and I, personally, don’t go to Hi Fi Shows now but other designers and manufacturers do go with THEIR PWB ‘treated’ equipment. Whether or not they choose to reveal that their equipment has been PWB ‘treated’ is entirely up to them. Some have done so, some have chosen not to.

Some PWB ‘treated’ Brand name equipment has been written about by various audio journalists in the UK in the past – long before the Internet – so these reviews are not now available to read easily via the Internet. But, they are still there, printed in their original Hi Fi magazines, for anyone who has back issues.

Mg:-

>>> “Even now you bring up Mr. Winer in a negative way. Hey May "wakeup dear", if Mr. Winer believes that his approach is the way to go, so be it. It's his opinion, and he has every right to it.” <<<

Of course Mr Winer can express his opinion – that his approach is the way to go. And, others have the right to challenge him (to also express their opinion) – especially when he did what Stereophile asks manufacturers NOT TO DO – he discredited other people’s products and techniques – to the point of implying fraud.

I repeat:-

>>> “read Ariel Bitran’s “Note to manufacturers”.

“The Stereophile forum is not to be used by manufacturers as a pulpit to promote their products or discredit the products of others.” <<<

Mg:-

>>> “If either of you think you have a product or idea that will change the audio world, don't troll send it or travel around doing demos.” <<<

You don’t know your audio history, do you Michael. Or you would never make statements like that. I have already ‘posted’ copies of some review reports on our ‘treated’ (other manufacturers Brand equipment) and on our devices and techniques during yours and my discussions.

I had written all this, ready to post, when I read your reply in this section. I see that your reply is saying much similar to my reply to you.

i.e You also say that “the equipment you use is more tools than stock items. They may start as stock but quickly become part of the tune and sound & look nothing like the before picture.”

Ditto our experience.

You also said :-

>>> “On here I lean to the side of caution more times than not. Showing my systems, not a problem, showing me torturing a $25,000.00 amp, not so much, unless I want a black eye at the next show. Obviously you can tell I've been through that before. I know of 3 times at least the show reports came out and said, we weren't sure if it was the brand X or MG's tuning that sounded great. That may sound like a plus until you have a hot headed glory hound asking you to tell the reviewer it was all his stuff and had little to do with the tuning.” <<<

Ditto our experience !!

Regards,
May Belt,
PWB Electronics.

Why is it that liars always accuse others of lying? Oh, I know. It's because they're pompous, self righteous and indignant. Case solved. That's one less mystery in audio.

;-)

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

Geoffy, you have no way of backing up anything you say.

ChrisS wrote:

Geoffy, you have no way of backing up anything you say.

Nice to smell you, again. Where have you been keeping yourself?

Have a nice day,

Geoff Kait
Machina Draconian

Your lack of anything concrete to contribute to these discussions has nothing to do with me.

I worked in a PMEL lab in the Air Force for 6 years, most with engineering degrees that ranged from BSEE to PHD's. All of our test equipment can be traced to the National Bureau of Standards. This equipment measured mechanical, electrical, optical and radiology. We measured in PPM, ULF, UHF, VHF, AC, DC, current, resistive, inductive, etc. None of this test equipment had designer cables. Our precision resistors were accurate to .001 ohm. They were in an non conductive oil cylinder in a temperature and humidity controlled environment for repeatability. We also had 1 ohm resistors used in power supply calibration that were 3 feet long and big around as your thigh. Same with inductors and capacitors. If it could be measured, we did just that. IF it was out of spec we repaired it. This was back in the late 70's and early 80's. I am sure the physics involved has not changed since then. What I am getting at is we were all gear heads back then and the most important part of the stereo was the speaker. Having enough power to drive it also mattered. We took our amps into the lab and found out that distortion was basically inaudible unless there was something wrong with the amp. And they had frequency responses that were beyond human hearing. One thing we could all agree on was that the music mattered the most.

When I was stationed in Denver there was a concert hall called the Rainbow Music Hall. Saw quite a few groups there but what I found the most interesting about the place was that it was a converted movie theater and the sound was fantastic. They had these velvet drapes along all of the standing walls with a nifty acoustic ceiling. Along with the JBL and Klipsch sound system, Jean Luc Ponty and Roy Buchanen never sounded so good. Along with Red Rocks those were the best venues at the time I had ever heard. As a trumpet player for the last 50 years, the rooms I have played in have more than enough cause for the sound to be good or bad. Old Main at Sam Houston State University is no longer there as it burned down, but it had a great sound that resonated very well. The student center there was a reflective mess. I guess what I am saying is that the room has a greater impact on the sound. Play an instrument in a practice room which is dead acoustically, and if you are not used to it, shows every flaw in the sound. Plus you can hear your blood rush through your ears and hear every bad intonation on your instrument.

I have modest gear in an old Thorens TD-145, Grommes 20wpc tube amp and Klipsch LaScala speakers. I've replaced the wiring in the amp a few times as the heat tends to make the wiring brittle. And I use lead solder which is a no no in the PC world today but that no-lead crap just does not flow like the rosin core does. Enjoy the music, and the room.

I'm quite familiar with the concept that capacitors that measure the same sound the same. And the one about cables that measure the same sound the same. And the one about all amps that measure the same sound the same. And the concept that there is no such thing as wire directionality. And CDs are perfect sound forever. I'm pretty sure those are referred to us in the high end as old wives takes or perhaps fairy tales. No offense to you personally or the PhDs and engineers who you worked beside in the lab.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

All:

Which component(s) of the audio chain are we referring to?

Bizarrely enough, I'm beginning to build my own linear power supply with a proven design from the audio diy forum. It includes a 4,700uF smoothing cap.. I know it's just a power supply but I guess I could order a few different brands or a few different capacities.. But I think this kind of approach would gain the best results on an amplifier or pre-amp.

finally, I have heard of "tube rolling" and "op-amp rolling" ...: but capacitor rolling? Not sure if this is meant to be a very serious and subtle tuning exercise or a slight dose of humor, but I have the intellect and background to possibility participate if this is serious and others chime in.

come to think of it, I have my classic NAD 7140 as my second system.. that certainly couldn't hurt updating its capactiors. Now that could be interesting..

Steve C. : your "modest" system makes me envious! Especially the Thorens! Good taste.

Michael: you listed "Michael Greene mono blocks" or similar description in an earlier post describing our systems.. Could you elaborate on the mono blocks?

Kind Regards,

Ronald R. Stesiak, PhD
National Science Foundation

A tip for those about to embark on capacitor listening tests: make sure you allow sufficient time for the capacitor under test to fully break in if you wish to obtain fair and accurate results. The reason I say this is because as capacitors break in their sonic performance can change dramatically up and down for quite some time, the worst offenders in this regard being the formidably expensive Duelund capacitors which according to many very patient customers require months to break in, and that is months while signal is applied. Thus attempts to identify the actual sonic performance of ANY capacitor before it has fully broken in can easily result in false conclusion. I suspect if my suggestion is followed we'll be getting Michael's capacitor test results in about two years. Chances are good that new solder connections do not take as longer to break in as Duelund capacitors. I won't even broach the subject of transformer and wire and fuse break in or fuse directionality. That can be for later.

Michael observed, "Before we get carried away...,"

to which I say, Indeed!

Cheers,

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

>>> “Thus attempts to identify the actual sonic performance of ANY capacitor before it has fully broken in can easily result in false conclusion.” <<<

Also Geoff, as well as the length of ‘breaking in time’ with components, there is the subject of the very solder used affecting the ‘sound’ of those components.

For example, if such as Steve C takes part in the proposed group experiment of the ‘sound’ of different capacitors and HE uses solder with a higher Lead content (as he has stated he does use)

Quote by Steve C:-

>>> “And I use lead solder which is a no no in the PC world today but that no-lead crap just does not flow like the rosin core does.” <<<

Then any component Steve C solders in and listens to will sound better than any of the components used by others in the group experiment who have been using non (or the very minimum) leaded solder. This again would distort the results as well as any ‘breaking in’ of the components.

So much care has to be taken when doing comparison listening trials because of the numerous and various things which can affect the sound.

Regards,
May Belt,
PWB Electronics.

If what you say is true and I actually don't think it is, that capacitors never stop breaking in, then you will never be able to test the capacitors properly, you know, since they will never be at their peak performance nor will they break in the same way. How anyone could come up with wild theory that capacitors never break in is a mystery. How could anyone control all the variables involved? The mind boggles. One imagines that won't stop you from testing and publishing the results of your tests as if the results were meaningful and that you were some sort of ground breaker. If one can do the tests properly why would he try to claim any sort of higher ground? No need to reply, it's a rhetorical question. Glad to see I'm back under your skin. Just like old times.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

It's called loudness wars because the people that you apparently identify with - the people in the industry - suffocated all the life out of the music and substituted loudness for dynamic range. I suppose upon reflection the tactic of substituting volume for dynamic range works for most of the people most of the time, especially teens and pro audio enthusiasts like you know who. The big mystery is actually how you ever got two paradigm shifts behind the power curve and missed out on all the progress real audiophiles have made in the last twenty five years, you missed the boat on tiny little bowl resonantors, vibration isolation, constrained layer damping, holographic rainbow foil, battery powered clocks that change the sound just by sitting there in the room, quantum WA chips, directional fuses and cables, mu metal, contact enhancers, CD treatments, demagnetizers, ionizers, and crystals. Hey, you missed all the fun! Sorry about that.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

michael green wrote:

http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/f7-mga-roomtune-products

michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/

It's not really a mystery that you're here to lure unsuspecting naive and gullible audiophiles into the black hole of ToonLand, never to see the light of day again. Looks like you've given up on any intelligent discussion on this thread. The thread YOU started. That's a shame. There are more mysteries in the world of audio than is dreamed of in your philosophy, Michael. To whit, intelligent chips, teleportation tweak, The Ree X Pen, Lessloss Blackbody, Essence of Music CD treatment! SteinMusic Harmonizer, Quantum Temple Bell, Morphic Message Labels for barcodes, cryo'd Baby Promethean Mini Isolators, Mpingo discs, Shun Mook Original Cable Wraps, wire directionality for EVERYTHING, Flying Saucers for Windows, The Quantum Clip, NASA grade ceramic DH Cones from Golden Sound, Walker Audio Talisman demagnetizer, Particle Accelerator negative ion gun, Animal Magnetism Cable Collars for power cords and interconnects, High Fidelity Cables, using various colors on CDs, Dark Matter invisible light absorber for CDs, Sugar Cubes room acoustic resonators, crystals for windows and interconnects and speaker cabinets, crystals for sound pressure peaks in the room, crystals for transformers, cryogenic treatment of CDs and LPs, cryogenic treatment of books, and the use of Feng Shui for high end audio. The latter being a most likely topic for my next thread. Stand by one. I'm completely serious.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

Name calling doesn't bother me much, over the years I've had quite a few low-life's say all manner of things on line. I don't actually blame you too much for your smear campaign against me since you're obviously ill equipped to engage in an intellectual debate. One supposes they don't teach intellectual argument fine points at whatever low-life Dayton high school you either did graduate from or didn't, who knows? Why not stop being part of the problem and be part of the solution, Michael? Come on over to the A Team. I suspect even you realize you've taken this whole prairie dogs on crack Tuning thing about as far as it can go. Time to move on.

An ordinary man has no means of deliverance.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

michael green wrote:

A-team? Who exactly is on your A-Team again? When I type in geoff kait or your company name the search engines are the ones to tell what the rest of us see.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=Machina+Dynamica+Fraud&FORM=R5FD2

I personally don't know you from adam, except through your posting here and you bringing up Randi's name and you being a faithful internet troll on forums that have no moderating.

back on point though

I'm happy to see the forum post more involving articles and hope this continues, as this camp of the hobby has a tendency to appeal to the limited views and not the whole of audio.

michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/

Michael, you have been reduced to a windbag and rumormonger, albeit it one with nice hair. Sorry you had to end up this way. C'est la vie. Good luck in your quest for acceptance and mediocrity.

Have a nice hair day.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica