iosiP wrote:

geoffkait wrote:

I don't know. [...] I suspect the music information is only going in one direction - toward the speakers. Or at least that's the direction that counts. Who cares what it sounds like going in the other direction?

All clear now - you don't know! Good answer from a rocket scientist!

You don't know but pretend to know. See the difference? It's about being honest.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

michael green wrote:

To get back on topic. I'm not sure why people are playing with direction at all. I like to let my systems settle. I don't see any need in changing directions of things once I get them to a place where the parts are ready to work together. Why would I want to upset the flow after spending all that time settling things into a stable path of delivery. I'd rather spend my time listening and learning what tunes to do as I need to match the recorded code to the playback setup.

It almost sounds to me that people who are always fliping things around never get to a place of knowing their system and more importantly their recordings and how each recording reacts to different conditions.

michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/

I'm afraid this is just another case of mis comprehension of what was said. What was said was that because all wire is directional the very least one should do is reverse the direction of fuses and interconnects. It's not that difficult. Believing that things settle in when they're inserted in the wrong direction to begin with is sheer Pro Audio folly. Pro Audio Pathfinders appear to at least two paradigm shifts behind the Advanced Audiophiles. At least.

People would be much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little. - PT Barnum

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

michael green wrote:

Speaking of, I've started to move our studio designs over from one of our sites if anyone is interested.

you can start here http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/t282-mga-studio-design

We had maybe 10 or so studio folks stop us at the CES this year. I'm thinking maybe they didn't know we did Audiophile systems and Studios. I have a feeling they were informed that we designed Custom Rooms from reading this forum, so maybe calling me a pro guy was a pretty nice thing for you to do.

We do the whole audio chain, one stop shop Studios as well as Home systems, and any type of custom designs including Pro Gamer rooms. I'll be bringing our professional info over to TuneLand throughout the year.

michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/

I knew it. This particular forum is now being used as a billboard for TuneLand. Isn't that special?!

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

ChrisS wrote:

Got yer apples sorted from the oranges yet, Geoffy?

Nice to smell you again. Did your mommy let you on the computer again?

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

michael green wrote:

I just let you and May do the work for me :)

How else could I promote so easy, just let you guys flame, then I come up to respond. Did you really think I would hang out with negative people without an angle? LOL

For example, I knew the mention of Sony and Qualcomm would get a rise, so no need for me to get all in on the exploring we did or who was there (3 High End Reviewers BTW). All I needed to do was say a little about what happened and I was certain to have you and May and maybe a couple of other heckle types come up and I have it made. I didn't even have to get into the High End Audio designers we met with, before you were throwing your pissy fit.

You see geoffy, your not going to stop real listeners from hooking up. By your style of posting and me being here your creating a buzz, and with that buzz all the real listeners have to do is...well read. You say I'm being the billboard but what your not bright enough to get is, your being my billboard. All I have to do is stay current and truthful and rest works itself out on it's own. You and May and others are painting your own pictures of yourselves but your also allowing the TuneLand picture to get painted. The more you paint tuning as a negative the more people are seeing they need it.

Kinda neat isn't it? And the cooler part is you really don't know when to stop or back off, so my billboard stays up in full view all day and night :)

Oh and even more, our YouTube Videos Staring Harold Cooper and the Get Tuned Girls will be up in the near future. So what do they say...Oh yeah Stay Tuned!

michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/

You're vey good at name dropping just not so good at hearing any difference between tape and digital. That's kind of what the promoters of digital were hoping everyone was like, one suspects. Perfect Sound Forever! One also wonders, where in the heck was Qualcomm 30 years ago? Aren't they kinda late to the party? Things must be getting a little, uh, slow in the telecom division.

You wrote,

"For example, I knew the mention of Sony and Qualcomm would get a rise, so no need for me to get all in on the exploring we did or who was there (3 High End Reviewers BTW). All I needed to do was say a little about what happened and I was certain to have you and May and maybe a couple of other heckle types come up and I have it made. I didn't even have to get into the High End Audio designers we met with, before you were throwing your pissy fit."

Pop quiz: How many High End Reviewers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Pop quiz 2: How many High End Designers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

Hialeah!!

You keep using the phrase high end audio as if you were an audiophile. Which you're actually not. If anything you're an anti-audiophile. You're out of touch with audiophiles and are actually just pretending to be an audiophile for business motives. You're as transparent as a pane of glass. By their fruit ye shall know them.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

ChrisS wrote:

You are spinning so fast, Geoffy, you're hoping nothing sticks to you!

Plus the vertigo must keep everything off kilter enough the ethanol effect never seems to wear off!

Did someone cut the cheese? Oh, it's only Chris. Never mind.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

michael green wrote:

Man, do you ever love promoting me lol.

I think my family were audiophiles from way back, but the term in the 60's that I remember was HiFi and Stereophonic. Back then there wasn't that weird snobby separation, or at least the way I grew up and where, it wasn't there, or maybe I was the audio snob and didn't know it. We grew up with a lot of music folks so I never thought about separating being in the studio or watching the family play a concert or hanging out with cool people and cool systems. One thing we were able to have growing up was anything musical. That's the thing folks back then let kids go crazy over. At least it was around my family. As you have mentioned before about me name droping, kinda hard not doing it cause those people were who I grew up with. You are the company you keep and the people I grew up were singers, actors and models mostly (plus some heavy equipment construction guys). So I grew up in the heart of the audiophile world I would think. Even on tour every home you went to had cool systems and people hanging out saying "listen to this". So if your saying I was in music and not a home consumer reading my monthly audio journal, then yes, I was a little closer to the music than the guy sitting on the can dreaming. See that picture you posted on that other thread with the Quads, that was pretty much home life for us, but I don't think we were consumerized growing up. Not that I recall anyway. We were in music and huge fans of it obviously. My memories are like my mom and aunt dressing us up so we could wear our Beatle wigs to this crazy concert and having music nights in our house.

>>>>unless you've removed the grills from the Quads, removed the dust cover from the Quads, placed the Quads on stands, replaced the crap speaker power cords and removed the crossover assembliesand isolated it from the speakers you're not a real audiophile. You're just a name dropper. Besides the Quads weren't even yours. Lol

I think everyone of the kids in our relatives circle had stereos. To me listening is what you did. Why do you think I went on tour at 15 and opened my first stereo store at 21.

>>>>Gosh, I don't know. Because you saw an opportunity to make a lot of money?

Some of the audiophiles might remember our audio clubs in Atlanta. Decote' 10's, Fuselier Speakers and Getz (spelling). My store was maybe a mile or two away from B&H distributors who at that time was a huge source for the audiophile labels. I ran sound for the Atlanta Symphony, I would call that a little audiophilish. I went to the CES's before I was a designer. Had the same speakers as both Harry and J Gordon, listened with both of them, and tuned up Harry's system a few times. Designed RoomTune which sold to over 80,000 listeners, did world tours tuning in audiophile systems and up to 20 some shows a year. Designed the Tunable Room, maybe the most advanced listening tool ever made in high end.

>>>>I detect more name dropping. I'll skip all that...it's a turn off. Lol

Well wait a minute, this is starting to sound like I'm an audiopile lol. Truth is I can't get enough of listening and I'm not one of these golden calf guys, if I want it I get it, I could care less about the price wars, at the same time, you bring a coke can into my rooms and I'll wait till there's a break and remove it from my acoustical space.

>>>>no comment.

Now your stuff about me being anti-high end. That's where your dead wrong. Notice I don't come up and flame companies. I believe most, not all designers out there either had a dream about how sound should be or are still following that dream today just as much as when they started. I'm not gonna lie, there are a lot of companies that are past their listening prime and are probably selling off of their rep and not so much the sound anymore. I also believe high end better get with it, and if they don't replace that age base with a younger crowd this part of the hobby is going to pass away with the reviewers and designers of old.

>>>>I thought you said in the first sentence you weren't going to come here and flame companies.

It's like a long time audiophile friend who came by not to long ago and started talking about things. He said you know I've stopped going to the Venetian part of the show. I was pretty surprised cause this guy use to be one of the regular faces at every show since the 80's. He said, and I hear this from tons of guys, "once you've seen it 20 times you get tired of seeing the same thing". I think a lot of guys are dropping out cause their really not seeing the spark that was once in the hobby. What was, in the 80's and 90's cutting edge has lost it's appeal.

>>>>Uh, The sound has almost always been horrible at CES. Who wouldn't get sick of going? I am on record saying that exhibits should be static displays. That way folks can image how good they sound rather than hear how bad they sound. It's better to be thought a fool and be silent than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Lol. Furthermore, wassup with the exhibitors using new speakers and equipment for CES? So few are bringing equipment to the show that won't sound decent without extensive breakin, at least until the last day of the show. Are they crazy? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. No wonder people leave the rooms in droves.

This forum is a good example. When I started posting a year ago I couldn't believe how few people post. Maybe forums are becoming old news, I don't know. So it's not me down on the audiophile, it's the high end audiophile down on the audiophile and it's the new audiophile looking at what the future holds if anything.

>>>>I read that paragraph three times! I swear I don't knwi what it means. Lol

Yep I'm an audiophile, but I'm also a realist. I think the audiophile world is and will be bigger than ever, I just don't see it looking the same as it did 10 years ago.

>>>well! I don't think ANYONE thinks it will be the same as it did ten years ago. I'm not even sure what you're referring to unless it's another nod to high tech being the Savior of the high end.

michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/

Cheerios,

Geoff Kait
Machina DynamiKa

Nice to see you following my lead WRT modifying the Quads. Kinda funny, huh? You're not so much an Audio Explorer as an Audio Copy Cat. By the way your modifying the Quads is an excellent example of Morphic Resonance in action, I.e., behaviors that are learned based on how many other people have adapted the behavior before you. Kind of like picking the behavior up out of thin air. Like the little blue tits, birds that copied the behavior of other blue tits who had learned to peck through the thin bottle caps of milk bottles left on peoples' doorsteps to get at the milk. Even though the second group of blue tits was on a different continent. Who knows, maybe one day soon you'll be taking apart those little Sony cassette players and modifying them, too. LOL

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

michael green wrote:

Dude, I didn't even know who you were untill a year ago!

one very strange ranger you are my friend.

>>>>Who are you - Tonto?

I only know you from things you have pointed me to like http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/machina-dynamica/falls-church-maryland-22042/machina-dynamica-false-claims-about-electronic-enhancement-products-falls-church-maryland-286484

>>>>I did not point you to that Rip Off Report. Why would eye? I suspect it was most likely that pinhead Chris, who knows? Besides, Rip Off Report is obviously some kind of scam. You couldn't figure that out? Duh!

And the claims you have made about your personal education and work background.

>>>>>Are you accusing me of lying? Are you the Grand Inquisitor?

michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/

I suspect there is a very big difference between being sad and being critical. I would be happier of course if more folks did things my way. Unfortunately the world is such that people choose to believe what they want to believe. People like yourself belief that technology is The Savior of the hobby. I do not. People like yourself believe you have found audio Nirvana. I do not think you have, although I can certainly understand why you might think so or at least say so. People like yourself believe they have discovered all there is to this hobby, that there ain't no more. Are you listening to yourself? It comes back to the idea of stove piping. Why would I expect anyone who has been so engrossed in his own enterprise, like yourself, to keep up with all the news on the audiophile front lo these past thirty years? I am cutting you some slack. Stove piping makes us reach conclusions that while they might be true locally aren't true globally, if you see what I mean. That's the danger. You can't sit back on your laurels and claim that you have examined all other devices and ideas, which I take it you are still saying. Do you know how preposterous that sounds? I'll tell you what, when you can discuss the Schumann Frequency Generator, the SteinMusic Harmonizer, the Intelligent Chip, quantum teleportation, the Clever Little Clock, CD Improver Edge Beveler, ionizing CDs and cables, demagnetizing CDs and cables, WA Quantum Chips, Mpingo discs, scattered background invisible light, quartz and tourmaline crystals, NASA grade ceramics DH diamond hardness Cones, constrained layer damping, mu metal for transformers and power cords, the Red X Pen, then maybe we can talk.

Yeah! You're a stove piper, stove piper, stove piper, stove piper, stove
A stove piper, stove piper, stove piper, stove piper, stove
A stove piper, stove piper, stove piper, stove piper, stove
Yes, you are

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

ChrisS wrote:

"This post shows "Geoffy, The Rocket Scientist" at your best!

Geoffy wrote "Take a cable with a black jacket and listen to it so younger [sic] an idea what it sounds like. Then wrap the outside of the black jacket say 1/4 the length with WHITE electrical tape. Listen to the cable again. You should be able to hear the sound is better with the white tape around the jacket."

Go back to http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_m... and read where you went wrong here.

Are you smarter than a 5th Grader, Geoffy?

Nope."

Way to be only two weeks behind the discussion, Pinhead. If you're going to participate try to keep up. Now you can give the computer back to your mommy.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

ChrisS wrote:

Your lack of scientific methodology is timeless, Geoffy.

Two weeks, two years... Doesn't matter. You still don't get it.

You don't understand what my experiment with the white tape showed. A little slow on the uptake, eh, Chrissie?

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

michael green wrote:

Actually goeff, you are the one to bring up "Randi". I didn't know who he was either till you brought it up. As well you brought up all the stuff I have refered to. You make it look like I'm trying to do a witch hunt, but all I'm doing is following up on the things you say. Like you bring NASA, so I check on it.

Honestly you have yourself to blame for any of the misunderstandings because you create them not anyone of us. I've only offered to work with you, but you turn this into some kind of competition between you and the world, when it really has nothing to do with me. But geoff if your going to throw rocks at others be prepared to have them expose you. People who pick up the first stone usually are hidding behind a trail of falsehoods.

michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/

I brought up Randi because he was also a skeptic of a lot of audiophile things, or at least presented it that way. In reality he could give a crap about audio, he just recognized audiophiles as a good marketing opportunity. One supposes he was having trouble finding spoon benders and dowsers to expose. Lol What does Randi have to do with the rip off report you claimed I posted? Did you just wake up? Have you had your coffee yet? I don't create the misunderstandings. You just misunderstand. And it's one thing after the other. If you don't mind my saying so too much you need a checkup from the neck up. As Captain Quint said in the movie Jaws about the shark, he's either very smart or very dumb.

Be prepared to have them expose me? That is so funny! I hate to say it but you're sounding a lot like the nitwit and wannabe Sockpuppet Chris. You also wrote, "People who pick up the first stone usually are hidding behind a trail of falsehoods." Equally hilarious! Do you think these up all by yourself?

I was at NASA for better or worse between 1972 and 1978. I was Senior Mathematician in 1972 at Goddard Space Flight Center, MD. I also worked in bldg 14 for several years, that's where all the satellite operations for scientific satellites are headquartered. I was involved in prelaunch and launch activities for US and European scientific satellites up till 1978. My first job was in Dayton in a pink building with no windows at Wright Patt right down the road from Operation Bluebook, the Air Force UFO office. I know what you're thinking, how come I can't find it on a Google search? Lol

I'm starting to get the distinct impression you guys over at TuneLand are nothing more than a bunch of Keystone Cops.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

michael green wrote:

Hi geoff

"Schumann Frequency Generator, the SteinMusic Harmonizer, the Intelligent Chip, quantum teleportation, the Clever Little Clock, CD Improver Edge Beveler, ionizing CDs and cables, demagnetizing CDs and cables, WA Quantum Chips, Mpingo discs, scattered background invisible light, quartz and tourmaline crystals, NASA grade ceramics DH diamond hardness Cones, constrained layer damping, mu metal for transformers and power cords, the Red X Pen, then maybe we can talk."

Okie dokie, lets talk about these. I've invited you to talk about these on maybe 6 different threads now that you have turned into spins or declined to discuss them.

so lets do it here, right now if you would like

there ya go geoffy-boy the stage is all yours once again

those of you reading might want to reference http://www.stereophile.com/content/being-fair and http://www.stereophile.com/content/may-geoffs-web-pages where geoff was unable to talk about any of these in any type of scientific, demo, or methodology after being asked for pages and pages to do so.

michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/

Most of them have been discussed. Your memory must be on the blink again. This conversation can serve no further purpose.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

ChrisS wrote:

Read what all 5th graders need to know on how to do an experiment.

You've shown quite plainly that you don't know how.

You don't see your own problem.

Apparently you should have listened to Nancy Reagan and just said no.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

michael green wrote:

I apologize to the readers. Up until a year ago I was use to being on TuneLand where we don't have this, so I have to claim ignorance, but you are right and I finally looked up what an internet troll is, after getting another warning about geoff, message.

"An Internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, in fact, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response."

Thank you and I will treat Geoff as such in the future. I guess I kept hoping he was going to engage in real conversations about audio, but I'm getting the message now. I called them spins, now though I get it! I'll have to figure out how to promote the tune without entertaining his condition.

Geoff, I only wanted to talk audio and promote tuning, I'm sad that all of these talks turn to spins and a lack of real referencing or even the desire to. I know I'll need to deal with you some how but I guess I'll have to figure out how to do this without taking you seriously.

michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/

>>>>>>>You claim I won't discuss the products I mentioned in the list. Yet, I have discussed many if not most of them already. Have you been stove piping? Maybe just sleeping. The world does revolve around you and Tuning, everyone has his own way of dealing with this hobby, including me. What I suggest is you open up your closed in philosophy a little bit so that what others are saying might have a chance to sink in.
The last time I looked you were NOT the end all do all of audio.

Links to some discussions of my products and other products right here on Stereophile. He-loo!

http://www.stereophile.com/content/how-tweak-portable-cd-player

http://www.stereophile.com/content/wire-directionality-how-bad-it

http://www.stereophile.com/content/coloring-cds-better-sound

http://www.stereophile.com/content/crystals-power-pebble

http://www.stereophile.com/content/degaussing-project

http://www.stereophile.com/content/morphic-resonance-interview-rupert-sheldrake-scientific-am
http://www.stereophile.com/content/how-small-can-something-be-and-still-be-heard

Various discussions of my products and the Belts' on the May and Geoff's web sites thread, for example on Page 1,

http://www.stereophile.com/content/may-geoffs-web-pages

And we have this comment from you on Page 2 of the May and Geoff's Web Sites thread which, thinking back, I'm pretty sure turned out to be a lie. Is it true that when you lie your pants really do catch fire?

"I wanted to confirm that the products we did in our testing were indeed May's, Geoff's and Nordost among many others. I didn't want to speak out of turn about treating the Cd's. I wish I would have kept better records now but after talking with and hearing from the others I feel pretty confident that all the basis were covered, however I'm happy to do the testing again."

I just want to point out that you probably need to add more fish to your diet as your memory has more holes than Kraft Swiss cheese.

In case I overlooked it this is the article May and I wrote explaining the details of how the Clever Little Clock works.

http://machinadynamica.com/machina42.htm

And this is the Definitive Explanation of How the Intelligent Chip Works,

http://machinadynamica.com/machina64.htm

Cheers,

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

I disagree with most of your comments, as high minded as you wish to make them appear. When I or anyone disagree with your ideas and theories or points out you might possibly not know it all you get all huffy and defensive. It is actually YOU who is twisting and turning. When I accuse you of lying and misstating the facts and false accusations, as is your wont, you fire off an Oh, I'm the one being hurt here post. How hypocritical can you get? That's kind of my whole point, you are so immersed in your own tuning enterprise you shrug off and disrespect all other theories or ideas that contradict your own, saying, "Oh, we tried that already, I wasn't keeping a log but I'm pretty sure my guys tried hem all."

Judging by your continued failure to engage in any real discussion of any other product or idea other than Tuning one supposes that your protestations are just some kind of diversion tactic. Which is fine with me, but could you please take all this angst and emotion somewhere else, do it on your own threads and refrain from cluttering up mine with whining and TuneLand billboard poo poo.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica