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Are you acting dumb?
corrective_unconscious wrote:

"Why anyone would think a person's work experience is necessarily on the Internet is beyond me. Where I worked sometimes I was not even privy to my boss' name, if you see what I mean."

You mentioned the system, the budget, that you supposedly testified at a hearing about it, and the company's name. If you now want to claim nothing about your entire, suddenly, conveniently "secret" work history is on the net, then you may easily supply your dates of imaginary employment, imaginary job title, and what imaginary testimony you gave.

The only reason your boss's name is secret all of a sudden is that, imo, you're a grifter - not merely a performance artist, but a con man with a severe personality disorder, imo.

Or else you may easily provide enough factual information so that your self contradicting claims here can be verified offline.

It's none of your business. Is that clear enough? Oh, I almost forgot. Get a life, jerk-off!

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It's getting murkier and more desperate

"It's none of your business. Is that clear enough?"

You publicly brought up your work history and your "testimony" about a "billion dollar" air controller system to bolster your claims of, what?, scientific expertise, mentioning both the company name and the "controller" system name. Your claims should be trivial to verify, as are any claims of employment, except now all of a sudden it's become "secret" and "none of my business."

And instead of providing prosaic information you switched over to an unrelated set of claims about "metallurgy," a typical tactic of dissemblers.

I don't think you can "engineer" your way out of your seeming lies and fraud, and you remember all this the next time you fail to hold your tongue. Again, I think you're more disturbed than only a con man. I know that's clear enough....

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corrective_unconscious, please leave the poor guy alone

This happens all the time since they gave Internet access to patients in mental asylums: I've even met a few Napoleons online, so why not a rocket scientist?

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disorders

I haven't been a part of many industries outside of music, but I would say this one part of the music industry ranks pretty high on the disorder list.

I like being in it, but I don't like getting too close, know what I mean? There's a weird thing that happens crossing over from the music world to the high end audio world that sometimes is creepy. It's kinda like God tipped the pan and all of the missfit engineers slid to the bottom and ended up here.

I'm not sure I put music listeners in the same camp as high end audiophiles. Some are listeners but many are in a different place mentally.

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Reading comprehension issue?
corrective_unconscious wrote:

"It's none of your business. Is that clear enough?"

You publicly brought up your work history and your "testimony" about a "billion dollar" air controller system to bolster your claims of, what?, scientific expertise, mentioning both the company name and the "controller" system name. Your claims should be trivial to verify, as are any claims of employment, except now all of a sudden it's become "secret" and "none of my business."

And instead of providing prosaic information you switched over to an unrelated set of claims about "metallurgy," a typical tactic of dissemblers.

I don't think you can "engineer" your way out of your seeming lies and fraud, and you remember all this the next time you fail to hold your tongue. Again, I think you're more disturbed than only a con man. I know that's clear enough....

Geez, talk about reading comprehension fail. I brought up my work experience on the testing of a billion dollar program to demonstrate I have some experience in testing, I was responding to Michael's insinuation that I didn't do testing or know about testing or some similar nonsense. I am under no obligation whatsoever to have to prove my claims. Are you living on Mars? As far as your name calling goes you can kiss my ass.

I realize you are getting a little worked up over all this so can I suggest you give some consideration to taking a nice long cold shower?

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Condolences are in order
iosiP wrote:

This happens all the time since they gave Internet access to patients in mental asylums: I've even met a few Napoleons online, so why not a rocket scientist?

So, the drunk woke up long enough to post another zinger. You can go back and sleep it off, now. You did your duty to the Branch Davidians. Oh, give my condolences to your liver.

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pot meet kettle
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I haven't been a part of many industries outside of music, but I would say this one part of the music industry ranks pretty high on the disorder list.

I like being in it, but I don't like getting too close, know what I mean? There's a weird thing that happens crossing over from the music world to the high end audio world that sometimes is creepy. It's kinda like God tipped the pan and all of the missfit engineers slid to the bottom and ended up here.

I'm not sure I put music listeners in the same camp as high end audiophiles. Some are listeners but many are in a different place mentally.

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I wouldn't talk. Anyone who thinks that getting up and tuning the whole damn room before every single track is not exactly the model of mental health. Can you say Audio Nervosa? Why not try something entirely new, like getting a cassette player and sitting down and listening to the whole thing, straight through without fidgeting and worrying about the soundstage and getting up out of your BarcoLounger every three minutes You just might find it relaxes you, you know, music soothes the savage breast and everything. LOL

I said it would be fun but I didn't say for who.

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Hey Geoff, my liver can regenerate if I stop drinking

However. your brain cannot get any better, ever if you start thinking (which, BTW, is highly unlikely).
Takea break, it's pill time...

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How much is he paying you?
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However. your brain cannot get any better, ever if you start thinking (which, BTW, is highly unlikely).
Takea break, it's pill time...

I'll double it. Hey, I heard through the grapevine what PHD stands for. Piled Higher and Deeper. ;-)

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He's not paying me anything

BTW, I should pay him for some nice ideas he gave me!

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all about the music!

It's interesting to watch geoff and Catch22 continue in spin mode. I think it's a fair example of how stuck the audiophile hobby has become over the last few years.

Costin and I and others talk about taking systems to a higher level of listening and instead of Catch22 and geoff saying "lets do this together and have some fun" they do everything in their power to try to keep anyone from moving forward.

It shows the difference between the listener and the person who hasn't yet landed in a happy place.

Geoff, Catch, May and others who keep trying to turn these threads into spins. Why don't you put that same effort into listening together with the ones that are actually doing it? So may things can be worked out if this place starts acting as a music community moving forward.

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It's a difference in perspective

You've made it apparent that your disconnect with audiophiles is due to your lack of appreciation for the various aspects of reproduced sound that many audiophiles consider important. Because you have neither aquired the listening skill to recognize those aspects or because you are so singularly focused on staging that you are incapable of hearing other sound qualities, the conclusion is the same.

That's neither a condemnation of your products in total or dismissive of their implementation in someone's system. It's simply recognizing that you are not listening for the things the audiophile appreciates and equates to good sound.

This is most obvious in your inability to recognize poor recordings that are devoid of those sound qualities that audiophiles find necessary to achieve hi fidelity. While you may consider this some sort of "spin" as you like to call it, it's the kind of example that has to be resolved by you aquiring those listening capabilities in order to appeal to listeners who do have those capabilities.

Your continual insistence that recordings such as Santana's, Supernatural, which John Atkinson remarked was unworthy of listening to on anything aspiring higher fidelity than a boombox (or to that effect) and my pointing out (along with Bill and his audiophile friend) that Bob Dylan's, Modern Times, is equally limited in sonic capabilities, is "all there" as you described them, just shows how deep the divide is between what you are considering good sound and what audiophiles consider good sound and hi fidelity.

It would be one thing if there was simply a disagreement over the enjoyment of a particular piece of music or a difference in genres, but when such sonically corrupted recordings of music can't be recognized by you for what they are and you are unable to reconcile in your head why audiophiles would find them unengaging, then we simply have an impass in what you and the audiophile consider important to good sound.

That my friend is not spin and until you can come to terms with the fact that recordings such as those cannot be made "all there" with ANY amount of tuning tweaks because those aspects that audiophiles recognize as being important in reproduced sound DO NOT EXIST on the recording and therefore cannot be "all there" under any circumstances.

If all the years of experience you have messing around with audio has left you unable to discern these recording deficiencies, why would audiophiles find your opinion on sound to have any validity?

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lets reference some music together

If you really believe this you wouldn't run every time your asked to reference a piece of music together.

Why don't we get down to it then?

When would you like to hook up?

Let's do this Catch22, when the new room is up, I'll send you a plane ticket and put you up here in Vegas for a couple of days of listening. The only thing I ask in return is that we do live reports from Vegas throughout your visit.

Don't think I can be any more fair than this. But once your here I hope you give as much energy into what you learn about tuning, as the negative push your doing on these pages without ever doing it.

I jumped on catch22's thread http://www.stereophile.com/content/catch22s-loudness-war with Joe Morello "Going Places" an audiophile classic, let's see if he wants to do some listening.

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Can we please get back on topic?
michael green wrote:

If you really believe this you wouldn't run every time your asked to reference a piece of music together.

Why don't we get down to it then?

When would you like to hook up?

Let's do this Catch22, when the new room is up, I'll send you a plane ticket and put you up here in Vegas for a couple of days of listening. The only thing I ask in return is that we do live reports from Vegas throughout your visit.

Don't think I can be any more fair than this. But once your here I hope you give as much energy into what you learn about tuning, as the negative push your doing on these pages without ever doing it.

I jumped on catch22's thread http://www.stereophile.com/content/catch22s-loudness-war with Joe Morello "Going Places" an audiophile classic, let's see if he wants to do some listening.

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Aside from attempting another beachhead for TuneLand these posts offer nothing new to the topic of this thread. If you do not wish to debate the pros and cons of wire directionality perhaps you can select someone from your web site to be your proxy here, hopefully someone who actually can debate the subject, one way or the other it's mox nix to me.

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Speaking of which
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BTW, I should pay him for some nice ideas he gave me!

Maybe you can get the money back from whatever school you went to so you can pay him. By the way did you even figure out if you have an Oppo in the house? I don't really care one way or the other but I'm just kind of curious since you said you did then you denied it so vehemently. You have an Oppo, you don't have an Oppo....Just seems pretty strange, that's all.

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Ideas
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BTW, I should pay him for some nice ideas he gave me!

See the irony? You're the one (so you say) with a PHD in Information Theory, yet you seem to be the one who has so little information to give us, just a lot of potty mouth. What was your other degree, Signal Processing? Yeah, I bet. Process this.

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if readers bother to count

If readers bother to count and I hope you do, Geoff is off topic on threads more than any other member who posts on the forum.

Yes, I would very much like for us to stay on topic and talk about cable if you would like to actually do this.

I might offer this to readers to get warmed up. http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/t268-the-audio-code

Ready to be serious on any topic when you are geoff.

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Marking your territory?

Peeing all over the thread seems to be another clear indication you're fresh out of ammo.. Just another rude pro audio dude. Hey, that rhymes!

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Geoff, RU sure your earphones are wired in the right direction?

Did you measure the crystals or what?

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Keep it up

Costin, keep it up. I enjoy kicking you in the cojones as much as you appear to like it. And quite frankly, I'm not sure Michael appreciates your wanting so hard to be his hand puppet as much as you think he does. Lol

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Geoff, you miss your kicks so it doesn't hurt

At least I have cojones you can try to kick while you have none left.
Of course this doesn't prevent me to kick you in the head where your cojones are placed right now - just sad that your brain got displaced in the process.

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Hi, my name is Costin

Hi, my name is Costin. I'm Michael's Hand Puppet. I'm also an alcoholic.

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Said it before will say it again

Costin walks all over Geoff Kait, in listening, technologies, music theory and R&D.

Plus has provided far more wit.

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I'm not Michael's hand puppet

And actually there are subjects on wich I disagree with him and side with Catch22.
However, the difference between Catch22 and you Geoffy-boy is that he is expressing his opinions in a decent and argumented way while you are just using spins and name calling (not to mention you avoid answering to clear and simple questions, like how do you know the cable of your Sony headphones is wired in the correct direction?).

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Well, you're close. Very close.
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Costin walks all over Geoff Kait, in listening, technologies, music theory and R&D.

Plus has provided far more wit.

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>>>>>>He has provided more shit. At least it rhymes with wit. For a PhD Information Theory he hasn't got much actual, uh, information. I can certainly why you would be supporting your Hand Puppet, though. He's about all ya got.

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My besotted Costin...
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And actually there are subjects on wich I disagree with him and side with Catch22.
However, the difference between Catch22 and you Geoffy-boy is that he is expressing his opinions in a decent and argumented way while you are just using spins and name calling (not to mention you avoid answering to clear and simple questions, like how do you know the cable of your Sony headphones is wired in the correct direction?).

I gave up responding to your "questions" a long time ago. I've seen this movie before. You're about as intellectually honest as, say, Pee Wee Herman. Go find someone's else's leg to hump.

Never give a sucker an even break.

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So still no answer, Geoffy boy?

Strange this, from a NASA guy. Why don't you test those cables, you may not know what you're missing.

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Early onset
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Strange this, from a NASA guy. Why don't you test those cables, you may not know what you're missing.

Can't you come up with something more uh entertaining? You've become such a bore.

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Not directional

It can't be. Though the OPs comments on construction seem valid. But the porcupine analogy is not. I also see that if there is screen or whatever earthing that may be a reason for directional marking to be present

BUT: A signal, it being on an interconnect or a speaker cable, is AC.

Are we to believe that the speaker cone will be affected by cable directionality with the cone going 'in' will be different from when the cone goes 'out'?

No.

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spacehound wrote:

It can't be. Though the OPs comments on construction seem valid. But the porcupine analogy is not. I also see that if there is screen or whatever earthing that may be a reason for directional marking to be present

BUT: A signal, it being on an interconnect or a speaker cable, is AC.

Are we to believe that the speaker cone will be affected by cable directionality (and only this, for the purpose discussed) with the cone going 'in' will be different from when the cone goes 'out'?

No.

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how can he?

Geoff can't do a test for us cause he has gotten rid of his system some 7 years ago "and never looked back" according to him.

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You're close. Very close.
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Geoff can't do a test for us cause he has gotten rid of his system some 7 years ago "and never looked back" according to him.

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By eliminating transformers, interconnects, speaker cables, internal wiring, fuses, digital cables, and speakers with internal wiring I completely eliminated the entire problem of wire directionality in one fell swoop when I went to a very small portable earphone system. You know, since mathematically about half of all wiring and cabling is installed backwards. AT THE SAME TIME By eliminating completely all cabling and wiring from the system I eliminated all the sources of magnetic fields that distort the pure audio signal and make it unworthy of audition. I also eliminated the NEUROTIC BEHAVIOR that ordinary systems produce in the listener, sometimes to the point he is compelled to get up and dick around until he gets the sound so he can stand listening to it.

But something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones ?

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Wrong again, Geoffy-boy!

Those headphones are nothing else than small speakers: they are connected to the walkman through wires and have small voice coils than can be wired in the "right" or "wrong" direction.

Good for NASA they fired you before you could do any harm!

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You're a keen observer of the obvious
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Those headphones are nothing else than small speakers: they are connected to the walkman through wires and have small voice coils than can be wired in the "right" or "wrong" direction.

Good for NASA they fired you before you could do any harm!

The sky is blue. See? I can do it, too.

Ah, still spitting out pieces of your broken luck, eh? Can I suggest you go nurse your inflamed liver?

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Out of ammo, Geoffy-boy?

Lucky you're able to take you walkman to the bathroom so you can listen to music while massaging your prostate.

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There's something seriously wrong with you
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Lucky you're able to take you walkman to the bathroom so you can listen to music while massaging your prostate.

You should give serious consideration to checking into rehab. Meanwhile eat your own shit.

Have a nice day,

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the Sony Walkman Cassette Player

This week I get to talk to Sony, and am going to ask them (if any of the old school is there) about the design of the Walkman Cassette Players.

I'm mainly going to meet with them about some of their newer amps, but the walkman questions might be of some interest for geoffy.

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Michael, don't tell them about Geoff

Their honor code prevents them from ROFLMAO manifestations in public.

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Whoosh!
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This week I get to talk to Sony, and am going to ask them (if any of the old school is there) about the design of the Walkman Cassette Players.

I'm mainly going to meet with them about some of their newer amps, but the walkman questions might be of some interest for geoffy.

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By obsessing over specs you have missed the whole point of the cassette players. That's kind of the WHOLE POINT. Hel-loooo! I assume you are being intentionally dense as per usual.

As for your hand maiden Costin, I suggest you throw him under the bus at the earliest opportunity as he will only bring you down with his drunken ravings. You can't possibly be THAT desperate. Or can you? One can't help wondering lately, are you part of the solution or part of the problem. Hmmm....

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OK Geoff, time for a pee!

I get the latest comment put some stress on your prostate.

Now you keep ranting about your low-mass system. I do remember that even the undergrade courses differentiated between "necessary" and "necessary and sufficient" conditions (sorry, I dunno the exact expressions in English).
Now going low-mass might be necessary but in no way is it sufficient: you gain some, you lose some. Now, going low-mass without losing anything is a different matter that you don't seem to have resolved.

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Thanks for your concern
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I get the latest comment put some stress on your prostate.

Now you keep ranting about your low-mass system. I do remember that even the undergrade courses differentiated between "necessary" and "necessary and sufficient" conditions (sorry, I dunno the exact expressions in English).
Now going low-mass might be necessary but in no way is it sufficient: you gain some, you lose some. Now, going low-mass without losing anything is a different matter that you don't seem to have resolved.

I appreciate all the high fallutin' PhD double speak but it's better in every way. Yes, I realize the whole idea of the cassette and digital portable players probably gives you, you know, with your big expensive system, and your Siltechs (oh, my!!), a Royal Case of the Ass at the very suggestion. "Harrumph!!"

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>>> “This week I get to talk to Sony, and am going to ask them (if any of the old school is there) about the design of the Walkman Cassette Players.” <<<

Michael, whilst you are talking to Sony, perhaps you could ALSO ask them about the colouring of CDs green ?

I would refer you to the following article :-
From Issue 43, May/June 2009, Positive Feedback Online.

>>> “Sony/Japan Green Label SACDs

Remember the controversy over painting the edges of CDs with green felt-tip pens? The aim was to improve sound quality by absorbing stray red laser reflections that might cause jitter in the data read from the disc. Sony’s audio division in Japan is now backing an intriguing project which tests the theory.
A batch of new SACDs from Sony Music has green labels. This is not "green" to help the environment; it’s to help audio quality by lightening the burden on the servo mechanism for the player’s tracking head and to introduce fewer errors for the player’s error correction to handle.

Sony UK’s audio guru, Eric Kingdon, was demonstrating a high-end Sony system at IFA in Berlin, using a green label SACD version of the L.A. Allstars (Birdland: XSCL-10004).
Other green label SACDs include the L.A. Allstars "Afro Blue" (XSCL-10005); Sacred Rhythm of Bali (XSCL-10007); Masayoshi Takanaka "The Man With The Guitar" (XSCL-10006); Allan Holdsworth "All night wrong" (XSCP-1000); and Emi Fujita "Camomile Best Audio" (PCCA-60019 from Pony Canyon).

The project was inspired by Sony’s Japanese audio engineers Takashi Kanai and Motoyuki Sugiura. Sugiura has compared the new green label SACDs with the original SACDs of around five years ago and finds the difference "amazing." Sony plans public demonstrations at audio shows so that interested consumers can judge for themselves.” <<<

You have stated, Michael, that :-

>>> “I haven't found a problem with CD's themselves,” <<<

Which looks as though you are ‘out of kilter’ with Sony’s own audio engineers !!!!!!!!!

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Sony Green Label SACD

Just to continue what May mentioned regarding the "green" Sony SACDS. Several points. The SACDs in question came out circa 2008 and were SDM SACD. The SHM being Super High Material which actually should be Super High Performance Material since the specific polycarbonate Sony uses is both more transparent and the data more accurately created as the material is more easily deformed.

SHM-SACD (Super High Material SACD) is the ultimate Super Audio CD that utilizes the materials and technologies that were developed for the SHM-CD to further enhance the audio-resolution. These discs are made with polycarbonate developed for the screen of the liquid crystal display. As it has a higher transparency, players can read the signal more faithfully. Also, it excels in fluidity, which enables you to cast a more accurate pit. What works wonders for a low resolution format such as CD should offer even greater sonic improvements in a real high resolution format such as SACD.

Features:
• SHM-SACD
• 2-channel Single Layer SACD
• Two-channel SACD layer only, to secure enough reflectance and not to compress DSD file.
• Label of the disc is printed with a special green ink called 'Onsho Shiyou,' which minimizes diffuse reflection.
• Carefully selected master audio is used, from existing DSD files to newly converted from analog tapes.
• This disc will ONLY work on a Super Audio Disc Player

NOTE: I suspect it would actually be difficult to isolate the green ink's contribution to SQ from the SHM clear layer contribution, or even from the overall recording and engineering of the disc, although some experimentation and testing might shed some light on Sony's green ink idea. Sound quality of these special discs has been reported to vary all over the place. I have not heard them myself. I suspect like everything else the green ink is probably not the silver bullet or the end of the rainbow.

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I'm confused

I thought this was about whether or not and when wire is directional?

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Well, half of one anyway
michael green wrote:

Costin walks all over Geoff Kait, in listening, technologies, music theory and R&D.

Plus has provided far more wit.

>>>>>>>>>>Well, about half of a wit, anyway. Kinda like yourself in many respects. I suppose that's why he's your hand maiden.

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Why would we want to confuse you?
jgossman wrote:

I thought this was about whether or not and when wire is directional?

OK, fair enough. Here's a brief recap. We have learned that interconnects are directional. They are directional by virtue of the metal conductors being directional. I.e., they are directional even with no shielding. Hopefully manufacturers of shielded cables and interconnects are conscious of wire directionality when they construct their cables; they may or may not be ignorant. We also know that fuses, all fuses, are directional. Also due to crystal grain structure being non-symmetrical in wires that are draw through a die. So what can be conclude? Well, we can conclude that ALL wire, at least all metal wire is DIRECTIONAL. If that statement is TRUE then we can also conclude that all internal wiring in speakers, wiring in electronics, including the wire in resistors and capacitors, is DIRECTIONAL. We can also conclude that all speaker cables are DIRECTIONAL. We can also conclude that all TRANSFORMERS are, you guessed it! DIRECTIONAL. These conclusion can be made for both solid core and stranded wire. It is also true for cables with multiple conductors. All wire should be marked for directionality as it come off the final die. Now, going one step further, if it's true that the crystal grain structure of wire is deformed when it comes through a die and therefore favors one direction over the other wouldn't it be true that any shaping, bending, sheet forming operation of copper or steel or aluminum, or nickel, whatever metal is used in connectors, would also be subject to the same deformations of the crystal structures? If so, would it not be prudent to suspect all CONNECTORS are also directional? Hel-looo!

Next up, are ground wires directional?

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Hey Geoffy-boy, jgossman raises another question

How come wires are directional since the audio signal is AC?
Any answer to that or do you start from the "we have learned"? From who?

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I'm glad you asked me that
iosiP wrote:

How come wires are directional since the audio signal is AC?
Any answer to that or do you start from the "we have learned"? From who?

I don't know. I was kinda hoping you could tell me, you know, since you're the phd in information theory and signal processing. I suspect the music information is only going in one direction - toward the speakers. Or at least that's the direction that counts. Who cares what it sounds like going in the other direction? I'm all set for you to set me straight.

Don't tell me you aren't on board the wire directionality train. Tell me it ain't so. The man with a full loom of Siltech is living back in the 1980s? Tsk tsk...

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At least you admit it... it's a beginning
geoffkait wrote:

I don't know. [...] I suspect the music information is only going in one direction - toward the speakers. Or at least that's the direction that counts. Who cares what it sounds like going in the other direction?

All clear now - you don't know! Good answer from a rocket scientist!

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i just have to say this...

i just have to say this... what do all you guys get out of these fruitless exchanges?
i love music, i love audio, but i think these religious diatribes (on either side) are the stuff that makes people ridicule audiophile stuff, and grab a pair of Dre Boost headphones.
i find it particularly funny because in this long running flame war both sides argue that cheap audio gear can be made to sound stellar. which i actually don't doubt (even though i'd challenge you to a listening test at my place, and i don't own audio multi-100k-esoterica).
i just think it is bizarre to witness people that seem so close in their epistemology (look it up) of audio to hate each others' guts so much.
and now i'll listen to some Bach Adagio.
chill out dudes.
have a great weekend...p

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