The Black Body is very heavy/dense. The Magic Ring is also very heavy/dense. The Black Body is made of some metal or metal alloy, but is non-magnetic. The Magic Ring is also made of some metal or metal alloy, but is non-magnetic. The Black body is directional. The Magic Ring is also directional. The Black Body is purported to work quantum mechanically. The Magic Ring is also purported to work quantum mechanically.

Coincidenza?

putting aside whether it works or not, its scope and range of "vision" appears to be limited.

As they state," the more the merrier"... so how many do I need?

Aside from my pre-amp, DAC, CD player, music server, universal player, turntable and phono amp (which are grouped relatively close together) I have four mono blocks and four speakers.

So by my count I need maybe 10 or 12 of these to cover all components.

At least the Quantum QRT products work on a complete system.

QUOTE: putting aside whether it works or not, its scope and range of "vision" appears to be limited.

As they state," the more the merrier"... so how many do I need?
Aside from my pre-amp, DAC, CD player, music server, universal player, turntable and phono amp (which are grouped relatively close together) I have four mono blocks and four speakers.
So by my count I need maybe 10 or 12 of these to cover all components.
At least the Quantum QRT products work on a complete system.

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I suppose a rational approach if one were, say, a reviewer or a curious audiophile would be to buy 1 or 2 Blackbody devices before proceeding, you know, to see how they work out and if the cost/benefit is there. Same as for the Quantum QRT products. You have 30 days, so the clcok is ticking...

The manufacturer doesn't appear suggest that there's a 1:1 relationship between the Blackbody and number of components in the system or that you have to buy 10-12 of them. Same as for the Quantum QRT products. Who knows, a clever person might get along quite well with 1 or 2 well-placed Blackbody devices, you know, like the Quantum QRT devices.

I wouldn't want to judge before all the facts are in, but it appears that the Blackbody is akin to the VPI Brick and the JSMR Magic Ring but not akin to Belt devices. Inasmuch as it appears to be a non-ferrous, heavy, dense metal, directional and somehow affecting the electronics and cabling/wires. But I'm only going on what I've read. Now I realize many folks insist that a device that is not "in the signal path" must be operating by some sort of "Belt effect," but I don't think that's necessarily a valid conclusion as it all depends on how one defines, "in the signal path."

The operation of MD products - there are now at least nine different products, depending on how one counts - range from straightforward physics to unconventional physics to being "in league with the Belt products."

Happy New Year,

Geoff Kait, Machina Dynamica

yes.

the operational principles are based on years of research, grounded in the scientific theories of "bullshit" and "fleece the dupe"

so, Caligula, it would be nice if you would state your industry affiliations.

"the operational principles are based on years of research, grounded in the scientific theories of "bullshit" and "fleece the dupe"

Them Veet-nam flashbacks actin' up again?

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yes.

the operational principles are based on years of research, grounded in the scientific theories of "bullshit" and "fleece the dupe"

so, Caligula, it would be nice if you would state your industry affiliations.

Easy now, NC. All here that you deride is tied directly to what you seek in that other thread where we exchanged a post or two. Recall the subject is esoteric and otherworldly in that other thread. This is along the lines of physical 3-d realization of similar aspects. Subtle they may be - but real they are.

The really interesting part is that the Heisenberg effect is alive and well, in recognition and realization of these aspects concerning the subject of this thread. They (effects) can be and are macro --not only individual and/or quantum.

fair enough, Ken..

but will you not admit that there *are* indeed some pimps out there that prey on the ignorance/emotion of the audiophile??

surely we cannot take all these sorts of claims as true?? i mean, there has to be some sort of filtration..cant stand for any and everything, take it all as correct??

Well, I'd like to definitely admit that there are charlatans and then point them out, but that serves no-one, in the end. I know of some in the specific and real sense, meaning I know of their 'deeds' in the personal and 1st-person sense.

At the same time, revealing such things only does harm to the industry overall, as there are also people who think they mean good...and those people will get right in there with their personal bias and agenda and try to deride the entire industry over a few fools and charlatans. We see this every day.

For example, there are freemasons who do and have done some damned nasty and evil things, of that there is no doubt. The kind of horrors that you would not wish on even a passive rock or bit of stone, yet they've done these things to entire populations of countries for their own rotten purposes. Yet I know freemasons who are exemplary human beings, the kind who live and fight against everything their own brethren do to humanity, so I can't group one with the other. It's quite the mess. So no matter what side of that story one falls on one can end up going with someone else's agenda, due to the given individual's perception.

If I say that all people in Audio are above board, that's a lie. If I say they are all rotten, that's a lie.

If I point out the rotten ones, or scream about rotten people, then someone will take that up as a standard and run (in their particular form of illiteracy and opinion) off trying to lambaste everything they don't understand. Then someone will jump on that and bend it even more out of shape.

In the end the best we can do is to try and keep our mouths shut and hope that people understand who is a charlatan and who is not.

However, we are dealing not just with the basic aspects of whether a given item is performing some task or creating some effect or not, but we are also dealing with the given individual's capacity for subtlety of perception and sensitivity of perception, and if all of that means something to the individual or not. We are not all built with the same perception package or wiring.

Then we get the next guy jumping in and deciding since such a thing is not within the scope of their particular level of perception or sensitivities, that it must be garbage, lies, or cons of some sort.

Then you get the guy who manipulates the given effect into something that he can sell and makes more out of it than is actually there.

Thankfully the numbers of outright lying types are pretty slim and rare on the ground.

But the number of people who summarily decide that the given effect or item is outside of their perceptive range and is therefore not to be used or bought or contemplated by anyone..well..THAT is a problem. For that is the aspect of human interaction that holds man back from innovative thinking and innovation, for the most part. This plays out in many fields, not just audio.

Truth be known I'm one of the most open mined people on this forum and due to being open minded I've discovered a massive amount of things that the closed minded (individual mental wiring type) will never see, understand, or perceive. This allows me to go even further down that road to levels that are beyond what you see here in the audio world, and that includes even the most freaky seeming stuff you see here.

There have been times that I see a tweak and I think that the creator(inventor) really has no clue or handle on the origins of what it is they are hawking - but they hawk it anyway. Or that it might be bull. But I keep an open mind and try to correlate all the different pieces of data I may come across,and I keep everything and anything I've ever heard of or come across at the tip of my mind in order to try and fit these different pieces of puzzles together. I throw no data of any kind away, ever.

For if I have puzzle in front of me that I don't understand then it only serves to reason that the data which explains it is not going to be found in the mainstream data sets, as then someone would have 'got' it already. Basically the cutting edge of any scientific endeavor will NEVER, NEVER, EVER be in any textbook. Clues that point the way will maybe be there, but that's about it.

And if you want to understand anything new then you read and understand what is in the textbooks and then throw them away and step out --into the new. It really is that simple.

For example I berate the Super Hadron Collider for one simple reason, and that is that the cutting edge of any scientific endeavor has NEVER, in the history of man, ever been in any textbook or been mainstream in any way. Unknown and new physics has always been in the edges, the dark corners. And I've read enough to know that what the Super Hadron Collider is attempting to show has been done in private and government labs in various ways and well over 30 years ago.

If the science is public, then it is common and average --end of story.

What I'm saying is that reality is a observation and perception thing and the viewpoint and window is polarized differently and individually for all of us. And to get the individual to understand and live with that single point is the most difficult thing of all, for it is a point of the individual realizing that they are not a barking dog full of reactive and unaware mental states but that they have the capacity to think and understand that they are a complex equation with more than simple physical parameters tied to their existence. That is difficult as the ego construct gets in the way as often as one breathes or blinks. And the ego is not the person, not at all. The voice in one's head that is reading this right now is not the individual, it is a construct of the hindbrain the emotional core, that small angry child that we were when we were very small, and it wants what it wants. It has a sheen of subvocalization on it, and helps the body have voice, but it is not really the intellect. But it controls the emotions and flavors the vocalizations to the nth degree, and thus the clamp of it on the mind is so strong that it takes an act of death or greater to get people to even realize that it exists as a separate entity in the mind.

So, 99.99%+ of the people out there are actually barking dogs ---and they don't know it. You are one too and so am I. The difference is that I realize it, and try to control it, or shut that component within myself down so true intellect and human thought can emerge. And that is a HUGE difference. We tend to begin realizing these things when the hormones in us die down when we get older. This serves to illustrate how much the hidbrain and body colors and controls the very formation of thought. Consequently, very few of us actually make it to the adult stage of existence, most of us die in the juvenile stage.

Scary, isn't it?

I mention such things as it should then be obvious that the emotions drive the formation of thought and intellect to such a degree that no matter what I say on the subject of charlatans..that someone's ire will be raised and their inner dog will begin barking and/or tilt at windmills, real or imaginary.

The filter for this whole subject 'might be' self realization of the given individual. Then the growth of intellect and understanding. As for protecting others from charlatans, in my experience...that is not something that can or should be done but all we can do is to ask people to use their perceptions without bias.

Good luck on that....as their (our) very existence is based on bias.

As my Friend Taras says at times when someone is 'going off' on their little tangential rail and rant...., "Would you like a peanut for your monkey?'..and they reply 'What the fuck does that mean?", my reply is..."My point exactly".

If we talk about tweaks, we talk about and wander around at the edges of human perception, where the edges of the ego and it's influence lie. We can begin to see the edges of the ego and possibly realize it exists but we also confront it's control over our intellectual musings, for it is tied to the expression of perception...and thus it's emotional origins are raised and this takea the front and center path. It's literally a case of feeling one's way -in the dark, when we reach our perceptive and intellectual limits as individuals.

Thus the debate becomes heated as the actual limits of perception and human structure are either encountered or threatened in the given individual. The emotions take over and dictate logic to the individual, instead of reasoned and intellectual debate. The closer we get to our individual limits of perception, the more we engage the actual core mechanism of the ego, which is emotional and it is damned scared when you begin to stare at it directly and it will do everything in it's power to keep you from looking too closely. Since it is perceptively 'emotionally' based it is full of fear, fear of dissolution...when you stare at (or near) it's edges/limits too hard.

And 'tweaks' and subjects that one does not understand threaten that egoic structure..but everyday life allows it to sit unseen, and it is not realized that in the end, it has been useful (this ego thing) but to go further, it has to be realized as the parasite that it has become.

Most will ignore this response of mine in this thread or forget it ----as their ego commands it and will do everything in it's power to make it so, slippery little bastard that it is.....

What I see from the 'link' to the Blackbody articles and from the other 'links' provided by you, Guiseppe, is the difficulty which all those writers have in trying to get a good description over to other people as to what they have observed (in terms of the sound changing) and what they, personally, believe might be 'going on' !! When many other people have NOT, themselves, experienced such similar changes in their sound which they cannot explain from within conventional electronic and acoustic theories, then those other people's descriptions are either ignored or disregarded as 'mere ramblings' - of no serious concern - therefore can be ignored - whereas what those other people's experiences are actually pointing to is that there IS 'something going on', in the modern environment, which can affect the 'sound' but which cannot be explained from within conventional electronic or acoustic theories !!. Hence the struggle so many people are having in describing what they are experiencing in meaningful and understandable terms.

The major and challenging question being asked is "Is it the person listening who is reacting (and therefore changing the sound) or is it the audio signal travelling through the equipment which is reacting (and therefore changing the sound) ?"

The argument then continues with "IF it is the audio signal travelling through the audio equipment which is being affected, then any changes taking place with that signal should be able to be measured." And, from that outlook, comes the conclusion that the resulting 'sound' which eventually reaches the human ear drum is THE sound - i.e the only 'sound' worth considering !!!

When it is the human being and their reaction which comes under consideration, then the 'sound information' which eventually reaches the working memory becomes THE sound - and not the 'sound information' what had earlier reached the ear drum !!

Description from the 6 moons review referred to by you, Guiseppe:-
>>> "the benefits were crisper attacks, better microdynamics, improved intelligibility or presence and consequently, better sorting in the soundstage" <<<

And from descriptions of the effect on the 'sound' of other such devices - one, or more, or all of the following descriptions apply :-

>>> "Improvements (in the sound) are notably better air, sparkle, transparency, openness, imaging, soundstaging, better separation of instruments, greater height, greater depth, better "pace and rhythm", and most importantly, naturalness and musicality, not to mention bass improvements." <<<

In the Blackbody 'link' I see Louis Motek describing 'hearing' different colours 'affect' the sound -
>>> "Perhaps we can perceive the invisible with a sense other than our eyes........ There was and is much engineering work done in this field in order to find the perfect dye for audio purposes.... I found endless differing opinions........ My sound issues clearly had something to do with color...... So there I was, three years into my experiments with colors affecting sound". <<<

I wasn't there, personally, to witness what he was doing but I can recognise and appreciate what he was experiencing as we have been down similar paths of experience.

Followed by Louis describing
>>> "Countless further tests were made using the largest variety of chemicals, composites, mixtures and shapes." <<<

I wasn't there, personally, to witness what he was doing but I can recognise and appreciate what he was experiencing as we have been down similar paths of experience.

And again, further, Louis describes discovering the beneficial effect of Lead !!!

Yes, it is now some 29 years since our extensive experiments with the metal Lead - finally using it as the conducting wire for the audio signal and, following from that, using the infamous Lead Tubes !! - covered quite well by Martin Colloms in his 1984 Hi Fi News articles "Cable Controversy".
We were lucky in having the Leeds Lead Works within easy reach and they would pull out whatever gauge of Pure Lead wire I wanted - 16 gauge down to 24 gauge. Certain members of the local Technology College were aware of Peter's experiments and discoveries and coined the memorable phrase "Leeds leads in Lead leads" !!!!!

The articles on the Blackbody, the Creaktiv systems and the NMSonic systems you refer to Guiseppe, all describe the presence of adverse effects (adverse conditions) within the modern environment. The major questions being posed are :- Adverse effect on what ? The audio signal or the human being?

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

As you can see, May and Peter are not afraid to encounter and attempt to steer some sort of path at the limits of human perception.

And it is the FEAR of others that disallows them to take any chances at attempting to discern what is going on there.

For the ego is smarter than the intellect, after all it controls and forms the base that the intellect stands on. So, within the individual that may deride and attack them, the individual is engaging in an emotional tirade with the mere sheen of intellectualism riding on top. it's a catch 22 at best, and the given individual must find their own way out of that trap.

And it is extremely likely that most people will blame or point at me and call me a freak for even expressing such thing, in what ever way their ego may attack- as a form of 'cover' for their mindset's desire for stability and control.

As I've said before, it's that old saying: 'hoisted by one's own petard'.

Bark! Bark! Bark!!

"As you can see, May and Peter are not afraid to encounter and attempt to steer some sort of path at the limits of human perception. And it is the FEAR of others that disallows them to take any chances at attempting to discern what is going on there."

Fear of what? Fear of the unknown? Fear of flying? Fear of the dark? Ha ha ha ha

Bark! Bark Bark!!

Watch out for the ether.

Do you own that book? I'd sure like to own that one w' it's Siggies and such.

Upon arriving in Aspen eons ago I was approached by a scruffy young dude who asked if I'd be interested in helping raise money for Hunter Thompson's campaign for Sheriff of Pitkin Co., on the Power to the People ticket. Of course I said, yeah. Duh! He almost won, too. Maybe if I had raised some money....

Notably, my green laser tweak eliminates the need for these extra interventions, preventing the polluting wavelengths from reaching the signal path in the first place!

Hey, that works too. Do you supply ether? Yes you do, but in smaller doses than are truly effective.

Drugs - open the mind. Alcohol - shuts it down. Guess which type is legal. Guess which one I prefer.

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Hey, that works too. Do you supply ether? Yes you do, but in smaller doses than are truly effective.

Hey, we will be just down the hall from you at T.H.E.

We'll be in room 4001 so feel invited to samples the wares!

No ether this year, but we will have Thujone up the wazoo.

Also feel invited to play with the cabling. You'd be welcome to goof off that way, as well.

We are using some prototype speakers belonging to a friend, so feedback on those would be welcome, as well!

So, back to ether - I guess it all depends on what you consider 'effective.'

Oh hellay there Buddha.
I can see that also you use stochastic cooling lasers to improve your listening enjoyment!

I have had the stochastic equipment for years, which was added to my previous system of quantum time reversal equipment as well as the superconducting Faraday cage I have built around my entire house.

Unfortunately in the process of acquiring all this equipment I completely forgot to enjoy the music!

(sarcasm warning issued)

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Oh hellay there Buddha.
I can see that also you use stochastic cooling lasers to improve your listening enjoyment!

I have had the stochastic equipment for years, which was added to my previous system of quantum time reversal equipment as well as the superconducting Faraday cage I have built around my entire house.

Unfortunately in the process of acquiring all this equipment I completely forgot to enjoy the music!

(sarcasm warning issued)

That's quantum stochastic cooling to you, buster!

Actually, the newest version uses Superstring physics, beyond the mere quantum nature of many of the more mundane 'faddish' tweaks some salespeople are promulgating.

As we like to say: "Quantum is the wave of the past!"

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As we like to say: "Quantum is the wave of the past!"

Well, I have to make a great big psi, then, at least probably, when you wave past me.

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Drugs - open the mind. Alcohol - shuts it down. Guess which type is legal. Guess which one I prefer.

It's people like you that give drugs a bad name!

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Hey, that works too. Do you supply ether? Yes you do, but in smaller doses than are truly effective.

Hey, we will be just down the hall from you at T.H.E.

We'll be in room 4001 so feel invited to samples the wares!

No ether this year, but we will have Thujone up the wazoo.

Also feel invited to play with the cabling. You'd be welcome to goof off that way, as well.

We are using some prototype speakers belonging to a friend, so feedback on those would be welcome, as well!

So, back to ether - I guess it all depends on what you consider 'effective.'

I wish I wuz goin' but I'm not. Taras will be there, I'll tell him to stop in, if I can remember to do so and he remembers.

Absinthe? That stuff kind of reminds me of this. I sure wouldn't want to mix the two. In high enough doses it will even shut your breathing off. My brother's (chemistry student) friend used to play with it too much. He described one time where he woke up at the hospital with a full on heart failure resuscitation thing goin' down on his crazy self. Then the doctors being totally pissed when they figure out what happened..and he walks out of there as normal as can be - 2 hours later. He even had a relationship that was based on it's use (he said the sex was off the scale amazing with the stuff), which ended when he ran out of it. Ahh...the excesses of youth.

I'll see if I can get Taras to drop a spare cable on you on the third day, for a few hours.. after you are used to your room, just so you can get a handle on our stuff. Taras likes scotch. Not very often, but he definitely likes scotch. The kind I describe as 'peat moss soaked in liquefied sheep shit' -- Talisker. He says, 'exactly! tastes like Ukrainian vodka!' Don't show him any.

You know the day destroys the night
Night divides the day
Tried to run
Tried to hide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side, yeah

Made the scene
Week to week
Day to day
Hour to hour
The gate is straight
Deep and wide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through
Break on through
Break on through
Break on through
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

I am a big fan of LessLoss products having improved my system with the Signature power cords, the Firewall, and the DAC 2004 Mkii with a CEC 51xr transport slaved to the DAC. I purchased 6 Blackbody units and placed them on each Wilson Watt/puppy speaker, and next to the Jeff Rowland mono-amps, the DAC and the CEC. I wasn't sure what to expect, but the effect exceeded my expectations! The sound became softer and extremely clear. There was almost no electronic edge to any recording I tried. This is as close to a "natural" sound as any system I've heard (my friend has a system that costs more than twice mine with the latest Nordost cables and Quantum and I think my system now sounds even more natural than his). The music is alive and easy to listen to. I listened to CDs that before now I didn't like due to the dynamic range and harshness of the recording that now are truly enjoyable! My assessment is that the Blackbody is the real deal. I don't know if all systems will receive the same measure of improvement, but there is no way I'm giving my Blackbody units up!

That's a very strong recommendation Alan, sounds like the Blackbody devices really improved your system.

How many do you think I'd need for my system? Maybe one over each speaker and one for the electronics?

of course the effect is cumulative.. you can never have too many blackbody devices..

it is always the same with this Hocus Pocus stuff.

Good catch!!

Unfortunately, you'll never convince the peanut gallery that quantum waveguide is a real technology or that quantum mechanics can be applied to the Real world or to the Macro world. The peanut gallery is still hung up on the idea that quantum mechanics only applies to Very Small Things or that it is strictly theoretical.

Ironically, the peanut gallery easily accepts the fact that the CD laser - also a quantum mechanical device - has been used for almost 30 years to read the Nanoscale data on the disc. But do you ever hear them complain about that??!!

So as to avoid the backlash of clucking and whining, I suggest audio tweak manufacturers scrupulously avoid using phrases such as quantum physics, quantum entanglement, quantum waveguide, quantum teleportation, quantum superposition, quantum dots and the like.

"Quantum" has become the "Shamwow!" of marketing verbiage in Hi Fi, for sure.

Maybe it's time for some cheesy videos with Vince Shlomi about "Quantumtweaks."

Hey, guys, maybe y'all can just wrap your rooms in Blackbody and be fucking done with it!

Don't forget to make hats, while you're at it.

Wow, Buddha, you wear one of those hats too?

It makes my system sound so much better.

It keeps out the alien voices as well.

Ben, I have been experimenting with the Blackbody units by adding and subtracting them while replaying the same piece of music for comparison. If you place a unit on one speaker, you suddenly notice a difference in sound balance. The speaker with the unit is suddenly quieter while you notice a "noisiness" to the other speaker. This also happens when adding a unit to one of the mono-amps. The asymmetry of the music is quite noticeable and unpleasant to listen to. It is hard to tell where the Blackbody makes the most difference as there is a difference in the the sound quality with the addition of a unit for each piece of equipment. It seems that the greatest effect is on the speakers and the amps. I used the Reference Recording "Testament" by The Turtle Creek Chorale and Dallas Wind Symphony for listening purposes. This has always been a difficult CD to resolve for my system due to the 200 male voices and the wide dynamics of the CD. I used the 1st tract "Behold Man" by Ron Nelson. As I added Blackbody units and positioned them for optimal effect (I listened to the same tract about 20 times to get it just right) I could suddenly hear individual voices, precise consonants and a definite sense of space as if I were in the symphony hall. I'm sure the effect becomes more noticeable with higher resolution equipment. My speakers and amps are 14 years old and originally I added Nordost Odin and Valhalla interconnects and speaker cable which certainly helped with the definition but also amplified the electronic noise making the music very harsh. LessLoss products have completely transformed the sound I now enjoy. I hope this is helpful.

>>> "It is always the same with this Hocus Pocus stuff." <<<

Here we are again - back with the dismissive "Hocus Pocus stuff" type response !!!

With such responses, no consideration is therefore being given to the concept that there might be SOME adverse effects in the modern environment - for certain people, there aren't even ANY adverse effects in the modern environment which could affect the 'sound'!!

So, at a stroke of the pen (or keyboard) are dismissed numerous people's experiences (see the link given by Corodia (Guiseppe) and the quite extensive list of people's experiences with such as the Blackbody devices).

One of those listed is the following interesting one from Srajan Ebaen from 6 moons November 2008 issue :-

>>> "For those open-minded and curious enough, passive devices like acoustic resonators (Synergistic Research) and the new LessLoss BlackBody can serve as more than audio tweaks. They can become tools for personal experimentation into the interconnectedness of things. The medium of interconnectedness are frequency bands so high as to permeate all material matter. These frequencies bathe all of us in a common field of very high oscillations. In such a context, our audio systems can become laboratories in which we can observe certain effects and, over time, perhaps come to certain conclusions. These conclusions need no scientific base, proof or validation to reap personal benefits or at the very least, simple enjoyment. If your audio system sounds better to you; and you listen longer and deeper; let the white-coated experts concern themselves with explaining how and why. Unless you're of a more scientific bend. Then you could end up as a manufacturer of strange audio devices which are initially greeted by derision and mockery. Is that a career path your post-graduation advisor bothered to ever mention? I didn't think so... " <<<

And to quote the recent one from Stereophile (Alanwc's experiences):-
>>> "I wasn't sure what to expect, but the effect exceeded my expectations! The sound became softer and extremely clear. There was almost no electronic edge to any recording I tried. This is as close to a "natural" sound as any system I've heard (my friend has a system that costs more than twice mine with the latest Nordost cables and Quantum and I think my system now sounds even more natural than his). The music is alive and easy to listen to. I listened to CDs that before now I didn't like due to the dynamic range and harshness of the recording that now are truly enjoyable!" <<<

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

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Audio Mysticism

As an agnostic, I have no more patience with those who see sound reproduction as an amalgam of auras and astral planes than I do with those who walk in front of trailer trucks assuming that, if they get splayed out like a throw rug, it was God's will.

This category includes little black boxes

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Audio Mysticism
As an agnostic, I have no more patience with those who see sound reproduction as an amalgam of auras and astral planes than I do with those who walk in front of trailer trucks assuming that, if they get splayed out like a throw rug, it was God's will.
This category includes little black boxes

Not tin foil hats,..but ALUMINUM foil hats.

Remember what I said about what Kozyrev found in and about these time invariant carrier waves. The only thing on the table of elements that seems to shield them...is aluminum.

So if you want to keep the aliens from dropping mouse droppings into your bean, then an aluminum foil hat is the best bet.

Just buy a big-ass ionizer....and be done with it.

I've got one, it does 3000 sq ft. Costs a few $g's new..but hey, I got it (mint)at the local Value Village, and cheap too. $fiddy dollah.

Sarajan's QUOTE

>>> "For those open-minded and curious enough, passive devices like acoustic resonators (Synergistic Research) and the new LessLoss BlackBody can serve as more than audio tweaks. They can become tools for personal experimentation into the interconnectedness of things. The medium of interconnectedness are frequency bands so high as to permeate all material matter. These frequencies bathe all of us in a common field of very high oscillations. In such a context, our audio systems can become laboratories in which we can observe certain effects and, over time, perhaps come to certain conclusions. These conclusions need no scientific base, proof or validation to reap personal benefits or at the very least, simple enjoyment. If your audio system sounds better to you; and you listen longer and deeper; let the white-coated experts concern themselves with explaining how and why. Unless you're of a more scientific bend. Then you could end up as a manufacturer of strange audio devices which are initially greeted by derision and mockery. Is that a career path your post-graduation advisor bothered to ever mention? I didn't think so... " <<<

May, I appreciate that Sarajan sort of acknowledges that something unusual is going on, but I also think he doesn't go nearly far enough. Why can't audio reviewers, like Sarajan, who are interested in reviewing strange and unusual tweaks, write up a coherent theory of operation? Is it because they don't feel technically up to the challenge? Is it because they're afraid of the backlash of public opinion? I tire of the standard CYA, "I don't have any idea how this thing works, but it definitely works!" I'm not suggesting a doctoral thesis is in order, just something that shows they can at least connect some of the dots. Perhaps the audio magazines should hire technical gurus to handle the technical explanations. Oh, wait, that won't work! - the technical gurus are the ones who are usually most inclined to dismiss a strange controversial tweak out of hand! As if the device disobeys some sacred text.

One the other hand, the technical gurus on 6 Moons, the ones in Netherlands, do a very thorough job when it comes to technical explanations of the devices they've reviewed? I wish others would follow their lead.

I'm not surprised May liked this quote: " "I wasn't sure what to expect, but the effect exceeded my expectations!"

Sums it up, for sure.

Anybody try the Bikram room treament yet? It's the hot new tweak.

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of course the effect is cumulative.. you can never have too many blackbody devices..

it is always the same with this Hocus Pocus stuff.

You need 47 of them. It is a prime number which is critical when dealing with tweeks that work on a quantum level. It is a number that can be found repetedly in Star Trek. Those guys knew science.

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Anybody try the Bikram room treament yet? It's the hot new tweak.

I suspect it's not recommended for Stats or Ribbons but then I've never tried it so I shouldn't have an opinion.

On the plus side, links to the Intelligent Chip don't pop up from search engines.

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Good catch!!

Unfortunately, you'll never convince the peanut gallery that quantum waveguide is a real technology or that quantum mechanics can be applied to the Real world or to the Macro world. The peanut gallery is still hung up on the idea that quantum mechanics only applies to Very Small Things or that it is strictly theoretical.

Ironically, the peanut gallery easily accepts the fact that the CD laser - also a quantum mechanical device - has been used for almost 30 years to read the Nanoscale data on the disc. But do you ever hear them complain about that??!!

So as to avoid the backlash of clucking and whining, I suggest audio tweak manufacturers scrupulously avoid using phrases such as quantum physics, quantum entanglement, quantum waveguide, quantum teleportation, quantum superposition, quantum dots and the like.

Indeed I don't believe in lasers or transistors.

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>>> "It is always the same with this Hocus Pocus stuff." <<<

Here we are again - back with the dismissive "Hocus Pocus stuff" type response !!!

With such responses, no consideration is therefore being given to the concept that there might be SOME adverse effects in the modern environment - for certain people, there aren't even ANY adverse effects in the modern environment which could affect the 'sound'!!

Indeed, one need look no further than the systems sitting in horrible envirements with no room treatment or consideration of room interaction and speaker placement.

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So, at a stroke of the pen (or keyboard) are dismissed numerous people's experiences (see the link given by Corodia (Guiseppe) and the quite extensive list of people's experiences with such as the Blackbody devices).

The "experiences" are not up for debate IMO. OTOH the cause is.

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One of those listed is the following interesting one from Srajan Ebaen from 6 moons November 2008 issue :-

>>> "For those open-minded and curious enough, passive devices like acoustic resonators (Synergistic Research) and the new LessLoss BlackBody can serve as more than audio tweaks. They can become tools for personal experimentation into the interconnectedness of things. The medium of interconnectedness are frequency bands so high as to permeate all material matter. These frequencies bathe all of us in a common field of very high oscillations. In such a context, our audio systems can become laboratories in which we can observe certain effects and, over time, perhaps come to certain conclusions. These conclusions need no scientific base, proof or validation to reap personal benefits or at the very least, simple enjoyment. If your audio system sounds better to you; and you listen longer and deeper; let the white-coated experts concern themselves with explaining how and why. Unless you're of a more scientific bend. Then you could end up as a manufacturer of strange audio devices which are initially greeted by derision and mockery. Is that a career path your post-graduation advisor bothered to ever mention? I didn't think so... " <<<

Which "freuquencies" would they be? Sure we are bathed in ultra high frequency energy. We can measure that pretty easily. Are you suggesting that any of these tweeks actually affect such energy? Easy enough to test. Heck I guess these tweeks must knock out any radio reception, block gamma rays etc etc.

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And to quote the recent one from Stereophile (Alanwc's experiences):-
>>> "I wasn't sure what to expect, but the effect exceeded my expectations! The sound became softer and extremely clear. There was almost no electronic edge to any recording I tried. This is as close to a "natural" sound as any system I've heard (my friend has a system that costs more than twice mine with the latest Nordost cables and Quantum and I think my system now sounds even more natural than his). The music is alive and easy to listen to. I listened to CDs that before now I didn't like due to the dynamic range and harshness of the recording that now are truly enjoyable!" <<<

Regards,
May Belt,
P.W.B. Electronics.

"On the plus side, links to the Intelligent Chip don't pop up from search engines."

On the negative side, it helps to know how to actually perform a search.

"Indeed I don't believe in lasers or transistors."

Whooosh!

Good to see you're back and in form.

"Anybody try the Bikram room treament yet? It's the hot new tweak."

This crew try something? Yer kidding, right? We don't investigate, we castigate. Keeps things simple.

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"Anybody try the Bikram room treament yet? It's the hot new tweak."

This crew try something? Yer kidding, right? We don't investigate, we castigate. Keeps things simple.

Fair enough. I have to admit there are a lot of things I haven't tried. Here is a short list

1. Scientology
2. Holistic medicine
3. Power crystals
4. The Moonies
5. Hale Bob suicide pacts complete with new Nikes
6. recreational drugs
7. Jumping off a cliff even though Johnny did it.
8. Eating broken glass
9. Steriods
10. Bull riding

Remember. It's a short list.

I know I know, I'm soooo closed minded.

Always nice to see someone take the time to memorize Zen and the Art of Debunkery. My hats off to you, your skill in presenting illogical arguments has become second nature.