Contact Music Hall (www.musichallaudio.com)...they are most interested in customer satisfaction and definitely want to hear if you're not.

No, the marred finish you describe is certainly not the norm for Roy Hall's products. Take it back. You're not being too picky.

This may be a good way to test just how reliable your dealer is. If he doesn't replace it immediately without any hesitation, contact Hall direct. I'm sure he'll take care of it properly.

Like you, I take care of things. My MMF-7 looks (and sounds) like the day I unpacked it.

I'm more than a little surprized and disapponted at Roy's reaction. If he sticks with the notion that the buyer of new goods has to buff the finish to make the item presentable, the ProJect and Rega people will have reasons to smile. Beyond that, his statement certainly doesn't apply to my turntable. Of course things at the factory may have been more shipshape when mine was turned out.

Let us know how your local dealer reacts to your return.

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I'm more than a little surprized and disapponted at Roy's reaction.

Yes, I agree with Clay. Last year, prior to purchasing the Music Hall 25.2 system, I had numerous correspondents with Roy and he was always most gracious and helpful. As a matter of fact, a few months after buying the system I recieved, in the mail, three upgraded power cords, for the MH gear I just purchased...if Roy hadn't sent them I wouldn't have known there had been a change.

When spending that amount of money on a piece of equipment you shouldn't have to do any polishing. I'd be sure to return it to the dealer.

Keep us posted.

Without being able to see the piece it is hard to know whether there is a significant problem or whether it is normal. Of course, if if the buyer is dissatisfied there is a problem to address in any event.

However, most high gloss finishes do exhibit halos and exceedingly small scratches upon close scrutiny. For example, every modern production car has orange peel and fine spider web marks in the paint from the factory (except for Ferraris and other hand finished autos). This is also true of high gloss piano finishes - there are flaws.

Most people do not notice these flaws but can see them if they are pointed out and there is the right type of lighting. Looking at the reflection of a single incandescent bulb in the finish can reveal a lot.

Roy is right that a good quality polish or wax can make these "normal" flaws almost invisible. But my guess is that the product in question has bigger problems than this. A quick comparison between the unit and a new out of the box unit at the dealer should resolve the question.

With all due respect, Elk, despite your attempt at being helpful and your information regarding high gloss finishes in general, I think you made the significant point when you said, "...if the buyer is dissatisfied there is a problem to address in any event."

Beyond that, I'd suggest that if the appearance of the product can be greatly improved by waxing and buffing it behooves the seller to take those steps before distribution.

My guess is that Roy's current attitude stems from some problems he is facing, and my prediction is that this attitude will make them worse.

My TT was shipped with a pair of white cotton gloves and detailed set-up instructions. The second step in the setup instructions (following only the clearing of a level working space) was, "Remove and put on white cotton gloves (in large plastic bag). The Care and Maintainance section of the manual read, regarding Plinths, "A damp cloth or soft duster is ideal for cleaning the plinths: polish, particularly wax-based, can be hard to remove."

The finish of the plinths certainly seemed to be something Roy took seriously when the manual was written. Clearly the gloves were not needed for mounting the platter and belt or checking cart alignment. To go from that to "..that's normal" seems to me to be a change of policy/attitude in a direction which won't enhance future sales.

I really am happy with my turntable, but if I hadn't bought it yet, this situation would lead me to one of the very excellent competitors out there today. Face it, the choices in the $500-$2000 price range are too numerous for any manufacturer/distributor to be cavalier about customer satisfaction.

We are in complete agreement. The product should be delivered to the customer in perfect condition and at its best. However, it's impossible for us to determine whether it was without seeing the product.

I also don't want to judge either Roy or any of his customers from this little snippet; we don't know what the entire conversation was and how each presented themselves.

Isn't it fun to get gloves, special neat tools or similar in the box?

You're right, gloves, special tools, etc. are fun and a real plus in the selling job. After the sale of the product is closed, they add luster to the seller.

You're also right that I tend to be judgmental. I'm so old that I see it as an obligation. We used to call it common sense, but I realize it is out of fashion now, as is the notion that the customer is always right.

Agreed. The only problem with common sense is that it is not all that common, but rather rare.

Even when the customer is wrong (not saying he is in this case) he should be treated as if he is right while resolving the issue.

I tend toward the hyper-picky. I'm constantly reminding myself that perfect is rarely obtainable. Yet, I have had a lot of wonderful experiences with audio equipment, dealers and enthusiasts. This hobby attracts a lot of talented, motivated, honest people; a great bunch.

I'm really delighted to learn both that you are happy and that Music Hall has not slipped in quality or in customer service.

Isn't it odd how the lighting has to be just right to see the little flaws?

Sounds like a happy ending. I really like happy endings. Now that you've settled the appearance questions to your satisfaction, you can get down to the listening. My guess is that will go well. Please keep us posted.

You're happy, and that's what matters. I've always found Roy to be forthright too - but remember that he is Scottish. The points that troubled me as your story unfolded are unimportant. Now I'll suggest that you scrap the felt turntable mat which was supplied with your table and replace it with the Ringmat Anniversary Edition (also one of Roy's products) - a little pricey, but worth it. Happy Listening.

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I really want to emphasize how quickly Roy got back to me and how forthcoming he was in regard to the scratches.

This is one reason why I like dealing with Roy.

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My local dealer was also eager to make sure I walked out of there content. I am a picky guy ...

My Music Hall dealer is, also, very customer oriented. Don't apologize for being "picky"...we all want the best. Isn't that why you bought MH?

Good stuff, everyone. And congrats on a happy ending, backtowax.