Nordost Valhalla 2 Reference cables Associated Equipment

Thu, 06/23/2016

COMMENTS
Allen Fant's picture

Nice review- BD.
I like the fact that (2) cd players were used in your assessment.
And I concur that a power cord (PC) or good pair of interconnects (IC) can really take your experience to another level.

jporter's picture

I consider a product a good value if it is offers high quality and excellent performance at a reasonable price...I understand that you found these cables to be outstanding performers in your system, but you can't use the term "Value" with these idiotic prices. Thanks.

JoeinNC's picture

"Idiotic," indeed.

Although, I don't know if it applies to the price of the cable, or to the customer who pays it.

(...puts flame suit on.)

Long-time listener's picture

I've always found that cables make a great difference in my system--especially interconnects, whether they are Nordost or any other brand. But I remember when the first pair of US$14,000 interconnects came out (Tara Labs, was it?). VERY shortly after that--surprise--another company discovered that their top-of-the-line interconnects urgently needed to be priced at US$14,000 (Nordost, I believe it was). That made me very angry, and while I'd dearly love to have a pair of these Valhalla interconnects, I can't believe that their $8,000 price bears any more relation to production costs or reasonable profits than their $14,000 pair did (there was no new technology, just the same silver-plated copper as before). I can maybe see paying $1-2000 for exotic, silver-gold conductors or something. And I too remember how amazing the original Valhallas sounded. But I agree that $85,000 for an entire set is not reasonable, nor does it represent good value. Get real, Nordost. I'd like to buy your cables, but I'm just not going to. Period.

ChrisS's picture

Complaining about something because you can't afford it, makes you sound, well, kind of poor...

If it's a matter of belief that something so expensive can't possibly have any value, then you might as well join the "lamp cord" crowd who think that a $60 interconnect is ridiculous.

JoeinNC's picture

"Complaining about something because you can't afford it, makes you sound, well, kind of poor..."

Okay. By that logic, try this: I have a Toyota Corolla I'll sell you for $1,534,620.00. If you complain about the price, you're poor. And of course we all know poor people suck...

hb72's picture

that is not a viable business.

I assume Nordost has customers & makes profit.

pls let me/us know if you could also sell yr Corolla for the mentioned price.

JoeinNC's picture

Uh, you miss the point.

You said that complaining about the price of something you can't afford makes you sound "poor," implying that being poor made your opinion inferior, and then making the leap that if you complain about paying five figures for a few feet of wire, it automatically puts you in the lamp cord crowd. I'm just saying your logic is... flawed.

Oh, and I'll give you a shout when I sell the Corolla. You let me know when you buy one of those $15K cable sets.

hb72's picture

i didn't say nor write that.

JoeinNC's picture

... and I'm quoting directly: "Complaining about something because you can't afford it, makes you sound, well, kind of poor..."

hb72's picture

you cite 'ChrisS', I am hb72.

ChrisS's picture

You'll just get laughed at.

ChrisS's picture

...two figures is too much.

JoeinNC's picture

...my point exactly. :)

ChrisS's picture

Nordost has been in business since 1991.

People buy their products.

JoeinNC's picture

... but they also sell cables much less expensive than $15K. Halo products don't sustain the company.

ChrisS's picture

...of any cable costing $10k or more?

Would be interesting to ask Nordost for their sales figures.

JoeinNC's picture

It would be interesting, indeed.

My opinion alone hasn't affected their sales, no. Your point?

ChrisS's picture

...expensive cables.

JoeinNC's picture

cigarettes
Justin Bieber records
Pabst
Big Macs

Sales numbers do not always equate with quality or value.

ChrisS's picture

...these people, too?

There's been vastly more of the above items sold than Nordost will ever sell of their high-end cables.

Perhaps your degree of concern for the pricing of these products is entirely disproportionate to the whole scheme of "idiotic" retailing.

ChrisS's picture

...of these Nordost cables, anyways?

A. Hourst's picture

I wonder why the studios don't use these cables. I mean, if they're a good value...

ChrisS's picture

Once you've made up your mind about the value of a particular product or service, unless your financial situation changes quite drastically, there's usually no going back.

Stocks are another matter.

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Nordost Valhalla 2 Reference cables Specifications

Thu, 06/23/2016

COMMENTS
Allen Fant's picture

Nice review- BD.
I like the fact that (2) cd players were used in your assessment.
And I concur that a power cord (PC) or good pair of interconnects (IC) can really take your experience to another level.

jporter's picture

I consider a product a good value if it is offers high quality and excellent performance at a reasonable price...I understand that you found these cables to be outstanding performers in your system, but you can't use the term "Value" with these idiotic prices. Thanks.

JoeinNC's picture

"Idiotic," indeed.

Although, I don't know if it applies to the price of the cable, or to the customer who pays it.

(...puts flame suit on.)

Long-time listener's picture

I've always found that cables make a great difference in my system--especially interconnects, whether they are Nordost or any other brand. But I remember when the first pair of US$14,000 interconnects came out (Tara Labs, was it?). VERY shortly after that--surprise--another company discovered that their top-of-the-line interconnects urgently needed to be priced at US$14,000 (Nordost, I believe it was). That made me very angry, and while I'd dearly love to have a pair of these Valhalla interconnects, I can't believe that their $8,000 price bears any more relation to production costs or reasonable profits than their $14,000 pair did (there was no new technology, just the same silver-plated copper as before). I can maybe see paying $1-2000 for exotic, silver-gold conductors or something. And I too remember how amazing the original Valhallas sounded. But I agree that $85,000 for an entire set is not reasonable, nor does it represent good value. Get real, Nordost. I'd like to buy your cables, but I'm just not going to. Period.

ChrisS's picture

Complaining about something because you can't afford it, makes you sound, well, kind of poor...

If it's a matter of belief that something so expensive can't possibly have any value, then you might as well join the "lamp cord" crowd who think that a $60 interconnect is ridiculous.

JoeinNC's picture

"Complaining about something because you can't afford it, makes you sound, well, kind of poor..."

Okay. By that logic, try this: I have a Toyota Corolla I'll sell you for $1,534,620.00. If you complain about the price, you're poor. And of course we all know poor people suck...

hb72's picture

that is not a viable business.

I assume Nordost has customers & makes profit.

pls let me/us know if you could also sell yr Corolla for the mentioned price.

JoeinNC's picture

Uh, you miss the point.

You said that complaining about the price of something you can't afford makes you sound "poor," implying that being poor made your opinion inferior, and then making the leap that if you complain about paying five figures for a few feet of wire, it automatically puts you in the lamp cord crowd. I'm just saying your logic is... flawed.

Oh, and I'll give you a shout when I sell the Corolla. You let me know when you buy one of those $15K cable sets.

hb72's picture

i didn't say nor write that.

JoeinNC's picture

... and I'm quoting directly: "Complaining about something because you can't afford it, makes you sound, well, kind of poor..."

hb72's picture

you cite 'ChrisS', I am hb72.

ChrisS's picture

You'll just get laughed at.

ChrisS's picture

...two figures is too much.

JoeinNC's picture

...my point exactly. :)

ChrisS's picture

Nordost has been in business since 1991.

People buy their products.

JoeinNC's picture

... but they also sell cables much less expensive than $15K. Halo products don't sustain the company.

ChrisS's picture

...of any cable costing $10k or more?

Would be interesting to ask Nordost for their sales figures.

JoeinNC's picture

It would be interesting, indeed.

My opinion alone hasn't affected their sales, no. Your point?

ChrisS's picture

...expensive cables.

JoeinNC's picture

cigarettes
Justin Bieber records
Pabst
Big Macs

Sales numbers do not always equate with quality or value.

ChrisS's picture

...these people, too?

There's been vastly more of the above items sold than Nordost will ever sell of their high-end cables.

Perhaps your degree of concern for the pricing of these products is entirely disproportionate to the whole scheme of "idiotic" retailing.

ChrisS's picture

...of these Nordost cables, anyways?

A. Hourst's picture

I wonder why the studios don't use these cables. I mean, if they're a good value...

ChrisS's picture

Once you've made up your mind about the value of a particular product or service, unless your financial situation changes quite drastically, there's usually no going back.

Stocks are another matter.

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Nordost Valhalla 2 Reference cables Page 2

Thu, 06/23/2016

COMMENTS
Allen Fant's picture

Nice review- BD.
I like the fact that (2) cd players were used in your assessment.
And I concur that a power cord (PC) or good pair of interconnects (IC) can really take your experience to another level.

jporter's picture

I consider a product a good value if it is offers high quality and excellent performance at a reasonable price...I understand that you found these cables to be outstanding performers in your system, but you can't use the term "Value" with these idiotic prices. Thanks.

JoeinNC's picture

"Idiotic," indeed.

Although, I don't know if it applies to the price of the cable, or to the customer who pays it.

(...puts flame suit on.)

Long-time listener's picture

I've always found that cables make a great difference in my system--especially interconnects, whether they are Nordost or any other brand. But I remember when the first pair of US$14,000 interconnects came out (Tara Labs, was it?). VERY shortly after that--surprise--another company discovered that their top-of-the-line interconnects urgently needed to be priced at US$14,000 (Nordost, I believe it was). That made me very angry, and while I'd dearly love to have a pair of these Valhalla interconnects, I can't believe that their $8,000 price bears any more relation to production costs or reasonable profits than their $14,000 pair did (there was no new technology, just the same silver-plated copper as before). I can maybe see paying $1-2000 for exotic, silver-gold conductors or something. And I too remember how amazing the original Valhallas sounded. But I agree that $85,000 for an entire set is not reasonable, nor does it represent good value. Get real, Nordost. I'd like to buy your cables, but I'm just not going to. Period.

ChrisS's picture

Complaining about something because you can't afford it, makes you sound, well, kind of poor...

If it's a matter of belief that something so expensive can't possibly have any value, then you might as well join the "lamp cord" crowd who think that a $60 interconnect is ridiculous.

JoeinNC's picture

"Complaining about something because you can't afford it, makes you sound, well, kind of poor..."

Okay. By that logic, try this: I have a Toyota Corolla I'll sell you for $1,534,620.00. If you complain about the price, you're poor. And of course we all know poor people suck...

hb72's picture

that is not a viable business.

I assume Nordost has customers & makes profit.

pls let me/us know if you could also sell yr Corolla for the mentioned price.

JoeinNC's picture

Uh, you miss the point.

You said that complaining about the price of something you can't afford makes you sound "poor," implying that being poor made your opinion inferior, and then making the leap that if you complain about paying five figures for a few feet of wire, it automatically puts you in the lamp cord crowd. I'm just saying your logic is... flawed.

Oh, and I'll give you a shout when I sell the Corolla. You let me know when you buy one of those $15K cable sets.

hb72's picture

i didn't say nor write that.

JoeinNC's picture

... and I'm quoting directly: "Complaining about something because you can't afford it, makes you sound, well, kind of poor..."

hb72's picture

you cite 'ChrisS', I am hb72.

ChrisS's picture

You'll just get laughed at.

ChrisS's picture

...two figures is too much.

JoeinNC's picture

...my point exactly. :)

ChrisS's picture

Nordost has been in business since 1991.

People buy their products.

JoeinNC's picture

... but they also sell cables much less expensive than $15K. Halo products don't sustain the company.

ChrisS's picture

...of any cable costing $10k or more?

Would be interesting to ask Nordost for their sales figures.

JoeinNC's picture

It would be interesting, indeed.

My opinion alone hasn't affected their sales, no. Your point?

ChrisS's picture

...expensive cables.

JoeinNC's picture

cigarettes
Justin Bieber records
Pabst
Big Macs

Sales numbers do not always equate with quality or value.

ChrisS's picture

...these people, too?

There's been vastly more of the above items sold than Nordost will ever sell of their high-end cables.

Perhaps your degree of concern for the pricing of these products is entirely disproportionate to the whole scheme of "idiotic" retailing.

ChrisS's picture

...of these Nordost cables, anyways?

A. Hourst's picture

I wonder why the studios don't use these cables. I mean, if they're a good value...

ChrisS's picture

Once you've made up your mind about the value of a particular product or service, unless your financial situation changes quite drastically, there's usually no going back.

Stocks are another matter.

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Nordost Valhalla 2 Reference cables

It would be an understatement to say that in 2001, when Nordost introduced their original Valhalla cables, they were a revelation for me. Their focus and resolution of detail were like nothing I'd ever heard, and revealed in recorded performances a startling energy and realism. Throw in their seemingly absolute transparency, and similarly unique levels of spatial and temporal precision, and the Valhallas established a new standard of sound quality in audio cables. Although their tonal balance was cool, as I reported in my first review of them in the November 2001 issue, they were the only game in town in terms of reproducing the feel of a live performance. I immediately adopted them as a reference cable, and they remain a reference for me today.
Thu, 06/23/2016

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Wed, 06/22/2016

Audeze LCD-4 headphones Measurements

Tue, 06/21/2016

COMMENTS
cgh's picture

John, you and Tyll individually carry a ton of weight with me. I couldn't hold a reviewer in much higher regard on both the quant and qual fronts than I do the two of you. Together, ..., well, ..., taken together your two seemingly disparate albeit positive reviews sum less to a meta-review and more into an outright sign from on high. A burning bush or something.

That carbon fiber also matches both my sunglasses and the interior of my car!

I wish I still wasn't so unhappy with all the digital formats... I mostly listen to digital on my (current) Audeze cans.

dalethorn's picture

It would be interesting and useful to read more about the LCD4 mid-treble and top octave as described above, in comparison to, say, the Sennheiser HD800 and Stax SR009. Or any other reference that might be better balanced for a wide range of genres.

tonykaz's picture

It's hard to stay focused on headphones just now, Brexit voting is starting up and I have 5 thou. $ on Remain.

But, Boris is out there making a rather convincing series of points, god bless him, he may cost me a bundle.

So, how are we to think Audio as the Whole of Europe is re-settling it's way of interacting? This might be bigger than Donald vs. Hillary.

Annnnnd, I wonder if the Chord stuff will be less expensive for us Americans, as a result. By the way, these Audeze 4s should hit 112db whilst playing on the little Mojo ( with it's 38milwatts ), won't they?

Anyway, nice review ( as usual ). I wonder if any of SP's review staff are considering doing Tyll style of video reviewing?, all it takes is a little $100 "jiggle" cam.

Best Wishes,

Tony in Michigan

ps. I wonder if Texas will decide to do a Brexit too?, lotsa folks I know would be happy to see em leave. ( just say'n )

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Audeze LCD-4 headphones Associated Equipment

Tue, 06/21/2016

COMMENTS
cgh's picture

John, you and Tyll individually carry a ton of weight with me. I couldn't hold a reviewer in much higher regard on both the quant and qual fronts than I do the two of you. Together, ..., well, ..., taken together your two seemingly disparate albeit positive reviews sum less to a meta-review and more into an outright sign from on high. A burning bush or something.

That carbon fiber also matches both my sunglasses and the interior of my car!

I wish I still wasn't so unhappy with all the digital formats... I mostly listen to digital on my (current) Audeze cans.

dalethorn's picture

It would be interesting and useful to read more about the LCD4 mid-treble and top octave as described above, in comparison to, say, the Sennheiser HD800 and Stax SR009. Or any other reference that might be better balanced for a wide range of genres.

tonykaz's picture

It's hard to stay focused on headphones just now, Brexit voting is starting up and I have 5 thou. $ on Remain.

But, Boris is out there making a rather convincing series of points, god bless him, he may cost me a bundle.

So, how are we to think Audio as the Whole of Europe is re-settling it's way of interacting? This might be bigger than Donald vs. Hillary.

Annnnnd, I wonder if the Chord stuff will be less expensive for us Americans, as a result. By the way, these Audeze 4s should hit 112db whilst playing on the little Mojo ( with it's 38milwatts ), won't they?

Anyway, nice review ( as usual ). I wonder if any of SP's review staff are considering doing Tyll style of video reviewing?, all it takes is a little $100 "jiggle" cam.

Best Wishes,

Tony in Michigan

ps. I wonder if Texas will decide to do a Brexit too?, lotsa folks I know would be happy to see em leave. ( just say'n )

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Audeze LCD-4 headphones Specifications

Tue, 06/21/2016

COMMENTS
cgh's picture

John, you and Tyll individually carry a ton of weight with me. I couldn't hold a reviewer in much higher regard on both the quant and qual fronts than I do the two of you. Together, ..., well, ..., taken together your two seemingly disparate albeit positive reviews sum less to a meta-review and more into an outright sign from on high. A burning bush or something.

That carbon fiber also matches both my sunglasses and the interior of my car!

I wish I still wasn't so unhappy with all the digital formats... I mostly listen to digital on my (current) Audeze cans.

dalethorn's picture

It would be interesting and useful to read more about the LCD4 mid-treble and top octave as described above, in comparison to, say, the Sennheiser HD800 and Stax SR009. Or any other reference that might be better balanced for a wide range of genres.

tonykaz's picture

It's hard to stay focused on headphones just now, Brexit voting is starting up and I have 5 thou. $ on Remain.

But, Boris is out there making a rather convincing series of points, god bless him, he may cost me a bundle.

So, how are we to think Audio as the Whole of Europe is re-settling it's way of interacting? This might be bigger than Donald vs. Hillary.

Annnnnd, I wonder if the Chord stuff will be less expensive for us Americans, as a result. By the way, these Audeze 4s should hit 112db whilst playing on the little Mojo ( with it's 38milwatts ), won't they?

Anyway, nice review ( as usual ). I wonder if any of SP's review staff are considering doing Tyll style of video reviewing?, all it takes is a little $100 "jiggle" cam.

Best Wishes,

Tony in Michigan

ps. I wonder if Texas will decide to do a Brexit too?, lotsa folks I know would be happy to see em leave. ( just say'n )

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Audeze LCD-4 headphones

Life is too short to put up with poor-sounding headphones, I mused the other morning, during my 60-minute commute on the NYC subway. All around me, straphangers gripped smartphones and listened to multicolored Beats, noise-canceling Boses, white Apple earbuds, and, only rarely, Sennheisers and Grados.
Tue, 06/21/2016

PS Audio PerfectWave P10 Power Plant AC Regenerator Specifications

Tue, 06/21/2016

COMMENTS
otaku's picture

I assume that Fig 1 is the "before"? Can we get a screenshot of the "after"?

Talos2000's picture

I've been living with the P10 for 4 months now. I consider it indispensable. I hear all the attributes you mention, but the most noticeable thing for me was the dynamic impact. And I have 'good' power - the P10 says my wall supply has 2.2% THD.

As a point of comparison, I would offer that I have never heard a set of interconnects or speaker cables that make the same magnitude of impact (and I'm a cable 'believer').

IgAK's picture

"the opinion can be defended on technical grounds: low-pass filters limit how fast current can flow"

Jim,

This is only true of *inductive* passive filtering. But not so with capacitive filtering, which is achieved with a parallel, not series connection and does not limit current flow, or the rise time for it.

Additionally, this does not have the ringing problem of the unfortunately ubiquitous conventional inductive technique. Also, there are inexpensive additional tricks for stripping RF garbage from the line. There are capacitance based power conditioners on the market. The regenerator types should more properly be compared to those if you want to talk about the effects on dynamics. Nor do they cost any voltage "off the top". Sorry, but on technical grounds, this review is incomplete.

(Good) regenerators do work well, but this is a very costly solution, where well designed passive types not using inductors can deliver excellent results at a fraction of the price. Plus, these do not have the current supply limitations of these bulky space consuming one-frequency (adjustable of not*) amplifiers, which is what these are after all, on electronic steroids. And the power supply to any piece of equipment is critical even if one is lucky enough to be located in "quiet valley with a little stream running through it, and your house is served by its own private transformer", even with great acoustics.

* Also useful as speed controls for turntables using AC synchronous motors, not mentioned in this article.

ralphgonz's picture

Can Stereophile provide before/after measurements of source, preamp, and amplifier behavior? I know they don't tell the whole story, but it would be extremely interesting to see if there are any changes in measured performance due to power conditioning.

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